Can we unify different people?

can you clarify please?

no

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

I think that MissX means than on our days such a marriage is kinda discusting.

By i understand that it was different on the profet time when people wouldn't live more than 40 years

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

When Ibraha tried to destroy Mecca, How did God Protect Mecca?

What I mean is that what ever MissX says will not affect Islam.

One hand can not prevent others from seeing the sun.

Don't try to make silly excuses.. You'll never say *cough* prophet!!

Like I said it was perfectly fine for their time. No one even among those who were trying to find pitfalls in Islam reported that this 9 year-old wife suffered in any way physically or psychologically..

In fact this way was a comfortable way for a decent girl to get married, given the fact that through marriage she experiences the first sexual intercourse, so it's necessary that the girl gets used to the man before they have sex..

You're right.. Silly comments don't insult Islam because Islam is above all else..

It is us who don't tolerate such insults.

[quote:] "the perception of a child from 12 to 17 giving birth and raising a child. Horrible. It is just a very convenient way to keep the female 'in the house', uneducated and is aligned with the lower status of the female opposed to the male within the culture. It is not only immoral and irresponsible, it is outdated and backwards."

It IS outdated indeed..It happened 1400 years back when children didn't have schools to go to and what they needed to learn was very simple and basic.

At the time what we call a teenager (a 17 year-old) lead an army of mature men. Their perception of childhood and adolescence is different..

It's impractical now because children have so much to learn before having to make a family..

So does,

cough* prophet

invoke the same feelings?

You have to admit, you do attach negative connotations to the word pedophile. Which means, you attach negative connotations to the acts that make them a pedophile. I couldn't help but notice your extremely distressed response to what I said.

"You're a sick sick person"

So I am the sick person for merely saying the word, but your beloved Muhammed is not? Does acknowledging that perhaps he did something that you don't quite agree with, mean you also have to acknowledge that the whole concept you base your life on is not as beautiful and pure as you thought? Is that perhaps what caused so much distress?

Islam doesn't feel insulted. It's only the damned people who do.

QatariLady has a point there

your dislike for Islam is clear , so anything said by you will be taking as an insult

No my dear.. It was meant as an insult and it was obvious because of the way you wrote it. Remeber? [*cough* pedophil]

Excuse me, but the word pedophile is a noun. A naming word for someone who has sexual intercourse with underage people. If you think the word is an insult, it's because YOU attach negative connotations to it. You turned the word that I used to factually describe what Muhammed would be classified as today, into a offensive remark. Does that not suggest that you perhaps attach negative connotations onto what he did?

Do you get offended if I call Muhammed a prophet also?

F U you are right, I don't want to be grouped together with the majority of the Muslims, because all they do is give Islam a bad name.

so thank you, Yes as for me the majority is wrong by default ;)

As for the thing about the age and so on,were I come from , it is something strange and i guess we say "wrong"

while in fact it is not wrong , just because we can not understand it,

Like QatariLady said it is something that was done not so long ago in her culture and it worked out just fine for them ..... so we just have to leaf it at that

LIB..again you are also using a defamatory statement. A joker to you might be a preacher to someone else. So lets keep it context.

Like George Galloway said.. "One mans terrorist is anothers man Freedom fighter"..

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...on recommendation of some joker on QL I went and checked out the videos on Islam by a funny guy named Dr.Zakir from India. He is the father of all these jokers who try to prove that Islam is great. This is a big mistake.Islam doesn't need these to survive. I have always maintained that.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

the author is of those kind who just like to show off like those making Quran a decoration piece putting it in their car and driving around and never gets a chance to read it.

Since he joined QL all i have seen from him are topics on Islam and all those were copy pasted from other sites as if we members can use the search tab or we are so ignorant that we never heard what he posts.

...for the original author of the lecture/presentation to talk something like this about such a sensitive issue. His arguments are spineless to say the least. Further I believe that Islam is a great religion and does not need jokers like this author and idiots ,copy pasting from net , to survive and prosper.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

QatariLady,

Maybe she merely mentioned it as a provocation, it is one hell of a way to start a discussion.

Whether she is rude or not? I do not know. Where I come from, or anybody else in the west, we call somebody of that age that has sex with a girl below 18 a Pedophile by design and default. Our courts throw them in jail.

This is what our education has taught us. So, in essence, you cant blame her.

Btw, she is offline.

how dare you call her Rude when i am sitting here and giving her my name.

Kindly find her some other name.

[quote:] "That is a thread that makes no sense at all."

Fine.. Just skip it!

Does her education teach her to be RUDE?! Is this how ppl debate and TALK and know each other?

Even if she's not a Muslim she has to respect the ppl she's debating with..

She can ask she can express an opinion but not rude remarks!

QatariLady,

That is a thread that makes no sense at all.

First of all MissX is in Australia, second of all you would be affecting hundreds of people including yourself and lastly I am sure your religion has something to say about how to handle those whom oppose the Islam, I am pretty sure the Quran does not mention "Thou shallest call upon Q-tel"

Also, why take offense? They are merely words for you to

- rectify/oppose

- ignore

Why always take the path of 'aggression'?

Honestly, about a statement like that you should laugh as in your reality she is a mere sinner and you should petty on her. Right?

[quote:] "Where was the disagreement? Did he, or did he not marry a nine year old girl? What do we call people who have sex with children?"

You ignorant person we call them "Normal ppl for their time!" Ppl at the time married this young and it was perfectly fine!

My Mom was married at the age of 14.. My aunt was married at the age of 9..

FYI, they don't have sex with them at that age but wait until after her first period.

I assume you live in a sadist environment where every relationship between an adult and a child is "fishy"

Now edit that sick post!

thats not a way to clear one's doubt.

Remember she is not muslim so she doesnt have any idea what happened or how happened.

If you don't edit your first post or if the MOD doesn't I'll call Q-Tel and have the website blocked!

You're a sick sick person!!!

Umm,

To discuss Muslims, or any other topic that covers millions, and their ways can only be done when looking at the Group and how they act, unfortunately people take the negatives as this makes much better debate. People, including me, should see the 'good' a bit more often.

You say 'I', which is very funny, because I never said Islam and mentioned Jesus in order not to say Mohammed, because that will get me a truckload of aggressive comments. Shortly, I was talking about a broader audience than only you. Who I am I to judge Umm? All I know is that Umm is a respected cyber-debate-partner and we often stand on opposite sides. I can not help that Muslims have a stereo-type, with loads of negativity sticking to it. This has been caused by your own, not by others.

Further more, the perception of a child from 12 to 17 giving birth and raising a child. Horrible. It is just a very convenient way to keep the female 'in the house', uneducated and is aligned with the lower status of the female opposed to the male within the culture. It is not only immoral and irresponsible, it is outdated and backwards.

There is a saying that a half doctor is dangerous for your health and half a scholar is dangerous for your (Iman) belief..

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Khalid there are many sites that are dedicated to Islam where one can go and discuss his or her beleif. I strongly and many of other Qler's beleive that QatarLiving is about Qatar and living in Qatar not about the belief or any one's religion.

The sole purpose of the site is to help people to understand Qatar and share information for everyones benefit. Not for Discussing or bashing each others religion.

Please refrain from this kind of topics there are too sensetive and should be kept off this Site..

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Khalid I don't have the correct statements for you , that is something you must research for yourself .

You should only take statements with daleel given , to save yourself .

A lot of times I can not tell you what is correct or fault, I'm not a scholar , that is why I only take form the scholars, because I don't have the knowledge to see the wrong from the right statements!!!

so be careful from who you take your religion from brother!!!

Any thing we say should have a proof and I promise next time I will always put the reference.

But guys if you know the mistakes please high lighted so others know what is right and what is wrong.

Our prophet said a Hadith which means the following:

((Who know the truth or the right thing and does not say it or announce it is like a silent evil.))

And I say:

Would you like to be an evil?

you didnt answer. did you?????

missx, goin by todays standards it wud classify as pedophilia,but 1500 years back it may have not been so shocking..I'm not sayin that its right ,just pointing this out..as if i remember correctly,my granma was married at 15..thats just 2 gens back..so i cud imagine what was the norm 1500 yrs back..being a father myself,i wud feel compelled to knock off the head of anybody who'd do that today..but thats just me..

wht im tryin to say is also b cautious with the posts as u dnt want fantics trying to stone you soon..

You can refer to the forums or replies of MissX and you will see that her points were answered.

sheDBabe , I thing some of the "facts" on his presentation are off,

Khalid didn't give any source for this, nor reference ....

If you speak the trues present your proof.

We can not take anything without daleel.

Duh!! again

Khalid , none else invite all the bashes for Islam on QL like you do. Great goin bro.

Hope and pray you realise that religion is to keep within yourself with enough faith in it and learn to repect and accept others believes too.

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F U you are full of awesome .....

I have not been born into Islam nor raised up Islam.

Therefor I didn't become Muslim because I'm weak and must follow a herd , like all the sheep you were saying.

In my cause the whole assumption you are making is turned around.

I had to go against the follow and not follow the sheep in the part of the world I was raised and born in. Therefor, I was the "black sheep" of the family .

Please don't put all Muslims in the same category.

doing the things we do as Muslims is a matter of believe, just as simple as that.

you believe or you don't.

You have been mislead by your own intelligence , thinking you got it all figured out and the rest must be wrong.

so all the ppl believing in a religion are at fault , logically.

Millions and millions of ppl are just wrong .

It is the natural inclination of the human to believe in some "greater being".

As for having a daughter and she is ready to have a family at the age of 12 , then why not.

But of course where we come from , this it not something we can imagine.

And I have to agree, because we are a different culture and can't understand that.

Doesn't mean it is the same all over the world.

ppl live different life's around the globe , it's not all the same for everybody .

so you mean that 6minute video of YOURS will explain everything every event in detail??? means you are a world record holder who can read the whole Quran in 6minute.

try to come up with some thing in detail how you see it how you feel it and what you conclude. not just get your emails or links pasted here and get every one in mess.

and thats really not a way one preaches all you are doing is SHOW OFF. because you really dont have anything to say.

or if you think you have then answer MissX and clarify her doubts.

and if you cant do then you better stop posting around.

for the first time there is no comment from gypsy!

I would like to share it with those who are willing to know more about our prophet.

No one is forced to believe in every single detail, and those who want to know more they can go to the libraries or surf the net.

Here is some links:

6 min. video

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

No one is at fault here.

its just the author who cant defend his own topic. he just copy pasted it from some blog and left it to us all.where as he himself doesnt know much whats right or whats wrong.

I think the mod should ban the author for creating misunderstandings btwn the members on this forum and not being good enough to clarify he was warned many times before.

so its better to avoid it.

Umm, I truly hope you will never have a daughter that starts to 'be a woman' at 11 or 12, and thus can go ahead and raise a family.

How hurtful must that be for the mother.

MissX that depends where you are in the world, it is a matter of conviction.

Personally I find it extremely sick for a 40+ year old to marry and impregnate anything between 16 and 22. They will tell you that is done with consent, I for one refuse to believe that. It IS mostly done without consent of the female, the family (father) decides, and the motives are mostly materialistic. Incredibly selfish.

However, can we blame or judge people that get their 'vision of life' from a higher power that has set the standards?

I tend to say yes, grow up. But am aware that the indoctrination from religious books is extremely intense and can dictate the mind and spirit of an individual for a life-time, if he is weak and does not have the ability to correct what is obviously wrong. Some have been born as sheep, that's why they call 'Jesus' (and others) Shepard - do not dispute just follow. These individuals can not really help he was born and raised with such convictions. Hence, we can only try to 'lead by example' and hope we can one day convince them, in a peaceful manner, to stop these practices.

My intention is not to insult muslims. I respect all religions.

The question:

Is marrying is the only way to spread the religion and honor the people of a nation (Based on the presentation). Why can't the prophet get some followers (Like Jesus did) and teach them and ask them to spread the religion? or do some charity work for that nation and honor them?

yes , he did,but in Islam if the girl had a period already , she has become a women ,also if the boys have grown hair they are man in Islam.

I think you should not talk about things you have no understanding for!!

Because at this point , no matter what anybody is telling you , you will reject it , because you simply don't believe in Allah and that He knows that, which we don't know out of His wisdom!

And that everything is decreed for a reason!

OK I think the reference that Khaild has attached above is incorrect and misleading, people like MissX will have every reason to question the age of Aisha.

All I know and from what I have learnt from this issue, which has been around for hundred of years is that she was of age of menstruation at the time of consummation.

So lets just leave it there.

Again I request Khalid the tiger to stop posting any controversial topic, or information that may create controversy.

The biggest enemy is the lack of knowledge..

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Where was the disagreement? Did he, or did he not marry a nine year old girl? What do we call people who have sex with children?

Fair enough. If you don't agree with it, thats is perfectly fine. After one should never beleive anything on the web now a days until verified.

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Yes , MissX as you have no understanding for the religion and also no LOVE for Islam or any other religion.

So all you do is insult our believes, which is not nice of you .

WE let you believe what

you want to believe, all we do is trying to make you understand!

If you are so turned off by all of this , I ask you :

If you have nothing nice to say , say nothing at all !!

Thank you

Based on the powerpoint presentation Khalid gave us. Is my statement incorrect?

No doubt that he was and still is the most Importmant man in the history of Man kind.

MissX don't get this thread also deleted. People in this part of the world do take it seriously have you not learnt from the Cartoon Fiasco..

Please be responsible with your comments..

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We have two refrences the first one is the holy book and second one is the prophet sayings Hadith.

We should use both for the complete understanding.

Interesting, but is this all written in your Holy book? or your imagination?