Till I read this post,seriously! Not that I doubted pedophilia exists in Afganistan. Pedophilia is now so widespread that it sadly doesn't surprise me that any country has these demons,specially since I come from a country where child prostitution is so common that its not strange to see a poor young boy go hand in hand with foreign men on certain beaches! But to say its as widespread in Afghanistan is shocking and I do wanna hear an Afghan's take on the story!Is this true,false or exaggerated? That said dot.com, no we definitely cannot label all Christians or their priests to be pedophiles and neither can we say the same about all Afghans or Sri Lankans or Indians or anyone. As far as I know no religion has ever promoted pedophilia. Its considered a heinous crime in Islam and anyone who does so deserves nothing less than capital punishment.. Allahu'alim!
I am sure this goes on in Afghanistan or parts of Afghanistan. But I am curious to know just how prevalent it is. I find it hard to believe that is as common as the author makes it sound. The fact that half the tribal leaders in Kandahar are in to pedophilia doesn't mean anything if there are only say six tribal leaders, it would just be a blip. If for instance we were to say that half the ministers in Qatar have Bentleys or Maybachs it doesn't mean that Qatar is swarming with those cars. I felt the author is trying to shock and awe the reader, the reference to the Karzai family is all part of this sensationalism. If the author were to say that a certain percentage of an entire town, that would be relevant statistics and then we get a grip on the magnitude. What I am interested to know is if this practice is really as accepted in Afghan society as the author makes it sound. Dot.com... what is your take on this?
reading this report, which is showing increasing number of child sex in india every year with 8 t 10% per year, does it mean, that Indians as a Nation do support this disgusting job, and voluntarily giving birth to have a source of income?
Get a life mate, i don't believe on such terrible job, however everywhere in the world u'll find sick people.
here is a para of ;
"There are estimated to be over 900 000 sex workers in India. 30% are believed to be children. Recent reports estimate that the number of children involved in prostitution is increasing at 8 to10% per annum."
read abt a similar incident in kiterunner, bt din't know then that it's a common practice in afghanistan... i feel pity for the children growing up in such a disgusting society.
wk, i was trying to convey the idea that unless the people around or the society condemns something, people dont generally think it to be condemnable. they would just carry it on.
as already said, adult education and awareness should improve the situation there..
You are ofcourse correct.. Education is part of the the answer. Karzai's government should make this type of thing illegal and prosecute those who carry out such acts..
wk, probably they find these things not that disgusting and so repeat it..
for eg. i was ragged in my first year but i repeated it on the freshers when i was in third and fourth year though it knew it wasnt a good thing to do..:)
Hmmm, what they do over there is their business, as horrid as it is to me...but I would like to know this...are there Afghanis in other countries following those customs of their homeland?
rishi kids may not know what is going on when they are really young but as they grow up, they are bound to learn that what went on was not normal and should not be repeated but apparently it is.
Brit and Epi.......I agree with you on this that WE (i.e. US & West) should engage and start bombing bacha baz, going door to door threatening, men, women and kids and if they don't tell where bacha bazs are start kicking them. But I am sure you will also agree with me that......WE(i.e. US & West) must start bombing all the churches where young kids were molested or raped, finding each and every priest who condoned or kept silent about abuses and start kicking them and also there family members since they did not inform about the abuses to the authorities. Oh yeah I am sure you would like to add all the gays around the world in this list.
But I remember in some other post you said......."the key difference is that he accepted his punishment voluntarily." So if the boys accepted this life........what should WE do?
As for my personal views on this......this evil practices/customs should be fought with educating them what harm they are doing to the boys and society.
rishi then we have to go back hundreds of years to find the person to blame.. Since their elders were abused too and they received these things in their childhood..
Not every abused kid becomes a sexual abuser himself in the rest of the world, infact I expect a sexually abused kid to be the last person to indulge in abuse himself.
brit, once he asked me what i did for a living. i told him i was a driver and the car was my company car. since then he never misses an opportunity to chat with me even when he sees me from a distance..
brit: this is going to be another one of those topics where we are wrong either way. We get involved, and we are butting on our noses. We let it be, and we're condoning such behavior.
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yep,,, all the lowest in the barrel.
i can understand frustration of those, who are showing themselves as a unique product of "Single Mother" of their civilized society.
No offense
All the catholics are worthless too?
stupid cave dwellers.
They are worthless, one and all....
Till I read this post,seriously! Not that I doubted pedophilia exists in Afganistan. Pedophilia is now so widespread that it sadly doesn't surprise me that any country has these demons,specially since I come from a country where child prostitution is so common that its not strange to see a poor young boy go hand in hand with foreign men on certain beaches! But to say its as widespread in Afghanistan is shocking and I do wanna hear an Afghan's take on the story!Is this true,false or exaggerated? That said dot.com, no we definitely cannot label all Christians or their priests to be pedophiles and neither can we say the same about all Afghans or Sri Lankans or Indians or anyone. As far as I know no religion has ever promoted pedophilia. Its considered a heinous crime in Islam and anyone who does so deserves nothing less than capital punishment.. Allahu'alim!
Two things come to mind...
One - This is nothing new, so why did it take so long for someone to highlight it.
Two - What , if anything should we do about it ?
don't want to start with hanky panky, but curious to know your and rest of the Qlers opinion that;
After knowing a lot about pedophiles stories coming out from churches, can we label entire Christians as pedophiles?
I am sure this goes on in Afghanistan or parts of Afghanistan. But I am curious to know just how prevalent it is. I find it hard to believe that is as common as the author makes it sound. The fact that half the tribal leaders in Kandahar are in to pedophilia doesn't mean anything if there are only say six tribal leaders, it would just be a blip. If for instance we were to say that half the ministers in Qatar have Bentleys or Maybachs it doesn't mean that Qatar is swarming with those cars. I felt the author is trying to shock and awe the reader, the reference to the Karzai family is all part of this sensationalism. If the author were to say that a certain percentage of an entire town, that would be relevant statistics and then we get a grip on the magnitude. What I am interested to know is if this practice is really as accepted in Afghan society as the author makes it sound. Dot.com... what is your take on this?
From what I understand it's pretty customary in most strict Islamic societies, including Qatar.
As I keep saying:
Promiscuous women are good for world peace.
peace out
J
rishimba
reading this report, which is showing increasing number of child sex in india every year with 8 t 10% per year, does it mean, that Indians as a Nation do support this disgusting job, and voluntarily giving birth to have a source of income?
Get a life mate, i don't believe on such terrible job, however everywhere in the world u'll find sick people.
here is a para of ;
"There are estimated to be over 900 000 sex workers in India. 30% are believed to be children. Recent reports estimate that the number of children involved in prostitution is increasing at 8 to10% per annum."
read abt a similar incident in kiterunner, bt din't know then that it's a common practice in afghanistan... i feel pity for the children growing up in such a disgusting society.
wk, i was trying to convey the idea that unless the people around or the society condemns something, people dont generally think it to be condemnable. they would just carry it on.
as already said, adult education and awareness should improve the situation there..
Whatever crap goes on in their country should not be our business
jz, you are right..its logical that if everyone around me called an apple an orange, i would call it an orange as well if not educated otherwise..
You are ofcourse correct.. Education is part of the the answer. Karzai's government should make this type of thing illegal and prosecute those who carry out such acts..
I said should - but I can't see it happening..
so rishi does it mean dt from childhood if you were made to call an apple as orange... you would still call it an orange whn ur 30?
We ragged fellow freshers in first year pretending to be seniors :D
But there is a difference between having fun and pulling fresher's leg to sexually abusing someone.
wk, probably they find these things not that disgusting and so repeat it..
for eg. i was ragged in my first year but i repeated it on the freshers when i was in third and fourth year though it knew it wasnt a good thing to do..:)
Hmmm, what they do over there is their business, as horrid as it is to me...but I would like to know this...are there Afghanis in other countries following those customs of their homeland?
rishi kids may not know what is going on when they are really young but as they grow up, they are bound to learn that what went on was not normal and should not be repeated but apparently it is.
silly guy
nice comment
thumb up
wk, unless the abused kids understand that they are being abused, they would probably never have the sense not to repeat it in their lives..
Brit and Epi.......I agree with you on this that WE (i.e. US & West) should engage and start bombing bacha baz, going door to door threatening, men, women and kids and if they don't tell where bacha bazs are start kicking them. But I am sure you will also agree with me that......WE(i.e. US & West) must start bombing all the churches where young kids were molested or raped, finding each and every priest who condoned or kept silent about abuses and start kicking them and also there family members since they did not inform about the abuses to the authorities. Oh yeah I am sure you would like to add all the gays around the world in this list.
But I remember in some other post you said......."the key difference is that he accepted his punishment voluntarily." So if the boys accepted this life........what should WE do?
As for my personal views on this......this evil practices/customs should be fought with educating them what harm they are doing to the boys and society.
rishi then we have to go back hundreds of years to find the person to blame.. Since their elders were abused too and they received these things in their childhood..
Not every abused kid becomes a sexual abuser himself in the rest of the world, infact I expect a sexually abused kid to be the last person to indulge in abuse himself.
the conscience of a person is carved out from childhood by the life-values he receives from his parents and surroundings...
they really dont know what is right and what is not...cant blame them.
rishi by custom i meant something which has been going on for ages and become part of life..
A boy saying he will grow up and have his own boys, looks like the cycle is going to continue...
wk, would you call it a custom, even if it is rampant?
wow this is disturbing
It's nothing new. It also happened with Hassan the Hazara boy, in the Kite Runner
This has been going on over there for centuries. I am just surprised that the author of the article only found about it recently.
I am not too sure about it either.. I can't fathom that this is a custom.
I don't buy it
brit, once he asked me what i did for a living. i told him i was a driver and the car was my company car. since then he never misses an opportunity to chat with me even when he sees me from a distance..
btw, we talk face to face..:)
Does he stand behind you when he puts his hands on your shoulders ?
reminds me of the old afghani who cleans our cars infront of our building..
whenever i talk to him, he comes so close to me and keeps his hands on my shoulders while talking!!
its odd but i cant say anything to him as he is about 60 years old and i keep quiet because of his age.
u right..baldrick
but still, if it againts the will of those young guys..then its very disgusting.
See what I mean? Thanks, Baldrick!
brit: this is going to be another one of those topics where we are wrong either way. We get involved, and we are butting on our noses. We let it be, and we're condoning such behavior.
Ah, the American press sticking there nose where it doesn't belong again.
So, should we stay and sort out this problem or just turn a blind eye ?
offensive....