A Shame

Was that what the other man was called? Wallace?

Nah, those pics were all bloody John Noakes' drawings cos he was blue eyed boy at that time.....bloody dog loving sheep shagger....anyway....didn't care for morph much.....wasn't the best communicator!

got kicked out by greeker from the other thread for lack of IQ, eh? well, mayb David wont mind....

---Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer---

cutey....it was a difficult era.....since that bastard Hart died it bought it all back......many of my masterpeices were sent to that prick.....and did I ever see one in his feckin gallery??? nope....not a bloody morph of one....it was hard times back then....

Who are the third country nationals....explain.........

what would Mary J blige say about that I wonder?

Ooh.. I have a new label - TCN.

Voldemort, your Sri Lankan tea boy just joined my company... Eh.. how come my HR didn't hire our own people?

arecel "maybe there are cases that indians and filipinos hire their own but this is just very rare."

Really? Rare? Actually, I don't think so. You'd notice that the Asians tend to favour their own - because they are GENERALLY relationship/family based, unlike the Westerners who are GENERALLY individualistic. Culture issue. There are pros and cons to both sides.

But it's a good issue to consider. I used to think that I'd support equality ... but honestly, I probably would, at the end of the day, support protectionism, to a certain degree, because of my cultural background. A balance would be good... assimilate the strengths of both sides to minimize the weaknesses.

/Idealistic? Hmm.. well, always aim for the stars. When you miss, the standard will still be pretty high.

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Don't want no drama,

No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama

best keep it low IQ then eh?

better quit the low IQ conversation or david will get back here and start whining!

---Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer---

Yea, I agree that there are many anomolies not just here, but in the whole of the Middle East.

I don't believe its a matter of work ethic. Its more to do with companies not having proper recruitment / assessment proper mechanisms / processes in place.

CV's / resumes are in general passed through coleagues, friends or relatives. In many cases , managers of sections "prefer" to hire groups they feel comfortable with or know that they can control. The senior managers and HR usually only look at the bottomn line , which is the salary and benefits being paid.

check my profile., david b., im still officially with the company until sunday., LOL....

(this was the guy who post a thread about filipinos & indians being racists right?) just askin'., :)

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call me ONE.

Yep, I remember them all! Did Noel marry Keith? Or was it her from Paul Daniels Magic show?

I've been watching 'James the Cat' recently....bloody joy!

nah, I lie about my age ;) I remember all them! It was both them that did Swap Shop...an Old Noel Edmonds and an OK looking Phillip Schofield.

Maggie Phibbs married that idiot with the mallet on his head..........with that black bird that looked like a pineapple....

Shreeya LOL - I know some traditional remedies (suppository) too :)

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Maggie Philbin!!!!Wahey!

I'm trying hard to think of toys in that era!!OMG! My excuse is eeerrr ahem.....I'm not sure if I can remember that far back....its all a blur.....Keith Chegwin.....Zippy...George...Bod....

mr david banner, pls stop to post this kind of thread as u can`t do anything about it

Hold on...hold on...01 811 8055...swap shop! Wahey!!

So was the six billion dollar woman, she was married to the million hunk of dollars man.....whoever he was....rich though, the two of 'em....

John Major was the.......ooohhhh.......Steve David or was it Craig David....never was into politicians....

No, cuteydog, David Banner was the Incredible Majors and Steve Man was the million dollar......or summat....

BTW who is Guy? lol

No Arien, from his symptoms, simply a suppository can work wonder for him...rofl.

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

Guy, I think David Banner is a pseudonym...eerrr David Banner is actually the Incredible Hulk..or was it Steve Majors that was the Bionic Hulk or the Incredible Man.......oooohhh...anyway its not his real name..surely to goodnesss.....

This guy needs help, professional help as andrews said.. no doubt. No wonder he was refused by the employer.

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me where Sir David Banner lives/works?? I just want to keep out of his way, as I am an unfortunate Indian pig. Maybe Sir David will be disturbed by my presence...

By the way, our Sri Lankan tea boy just resigned..if his highness is interested, maybe with my influence I can do something.

...Avada Kedavra..

Fine, David. For a moment I believe you that 'other nationalities' are not getting a fair chance. Let's say you do get a job in the forementioned company. Do you think you will fit into the work culture ? Do you know that Indians/Filipino work on Fridays/Thursday /overtime without extra pay and no complains.(Don't tell me they don't deliver cause I know they are competent enough.)For them there is nothing like 'I am on holiday/golf/gym so do not disturb... Than your next post would be 'Indians/Filipino pigs don't have a life of their own and they won't let me enjoy as well'....

Anyway, PEOPLE NETWORKING is very common for obtaining jobs in gulf and you could have used the QL platform to make friends in these companies. Just a friendly advise.

You said-

"Here in Qatar, it seems as long as you know someone, or you are willing to work for cheap , that qualifies one for employment!!"

No it's not true.this is just your perception.Given the 'high IQ' you have,it sounds very cheap coming from you. What qualifies one for a job is the suitability of skills,education and experience and most importantly attitude. Its called KSA or Knowledge,Skills and Attitude in the professional circles. This form the competency of an individual which determines the employability. If I'am interviewing you and I find you having two of the above but lacking in any one;I might decide not to offer you the job.You need to work on those lines and surely you will find the right place for yourselves. Having a biased outlook and blaming the entire nation,economy and the job market won't help.

And btw...what is the Darwanian theory you are talking about? Care to explain? Now before you jump to your conclusions,please go through my profile to know that I'am educated and have been in the professional cirlces for sometime.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

Good one Andrews....

David,

With all respect, the way you express yourself does not help you.

You (perhaps without knowing) seem to validated my assumptions.

Keep in mind that you might be addressing your message to a potential employer!

Please review your approach and reflect if the problem is in fact diverted CV's or in fact qualifications, experience and behavior.

David, most probably, you won’t pass a CV pre-selection, when you just have completed you BA (not the most required education level in Oil & Gas Industry), at the age you appear to have.

For your own good, take my advice: Be respectful, patient and kind, you will be rewarded in accordance with what you deserve!

well said..

David...you need professional help...whenever you go for counseling take "Cuteydog" along with you.She needs some treatment as well

cutey dog, maybe there are cases that indians and filipinos hire their own but this is just very rare. please remember that the nationalities of most of the senior personnel are arabs so they are the ones who usually specified nationality per position.

indians and filipinos have been working in the middle east for decades and that's why most arab owners prefer their services because they already know how these nationals work. they simply trusted them.

david, gather yourself up and try to apply as many companies as you can. moping and sobbing and whining will not do you any good or land you a job. and stop taking yourself so seriously. no one else does.

You can't teach experience...

I never said people with different opinions are fools. However our sound a tad bit foolish at this point. However I will clarify some things for you mom. Apparently, you also have not read the thread in its entirety. The basis for the majority of my comments was that we all should be treated fairly. Regardless of the current financial situation . Western, Indian, Asian, we all deserve a fair shot at a good life. And PM, please do me a favor, I would appear that you are trying to make excuses for the situation instead of addressing it head on. I am well aware of the effects of globalization my friend. However it still does not serve as a justifiable excuse for the behavior of some people.

PM said But David Banner, this is the reality of globalization ...

Some countries and their nationalities benefit in some ways and others in other ways. It is a market driven world and people will look to strike a balance between what they want/need and what they want to pay for. That means that unless you have a strong education background, excellent experience and very specific credentials that make you marketable, you may easily lose a shot at a job where someone will work for less.

Yes Pm this Is indeed an intelligent comment, however should this serve as a valid excuse for the behavior of many? And no matter how strong my educational background is, if H.R are not receiving C.V's then what's the point? Again you seem to be attacking me personally instead of sticking to the issue. What the heck does my education have to do with anything? My point isn't my inability to find a job. My point is that when some of us apply for positions that we know are open and never receive a response!! This isn't a thread about David Banner people, yet some of you seem brain dead and cannot grasp this concept.

Well, cuteydog, my intention was in no way to remind you of yesteryears. What I imply is (as you know the history), the arabs were working as traders in South Africa and most of the laws some how crept into the modern system. You are right, however this is not the topic.

What people have to understand is that British companies are also doing it. There may be many valid reasons for it. Region specific staff / culture specific staff requirements. HR is a very specialized department in large organizations. Just making rumours your base because you(I don't mean literally you but any person in question) are not getting through a company is making a laughing stock of yourself. Plus, David already believes others with a different prespective are all fools.

Forgive my ignorance, but I thought that the dutch made slavery popular.

Cuteydog, about modern slavery and the various laws which limit the 'expressions' of expats in Gulf countries, may I ask you to refer to all the laws in South Africa during the British Regime defined by the British Government for expats. Striking similarity. Find out about this.

Cuteydog, may be a few cases but I don't think it is rampant - it is not that all the Indians are related to each other. They belong to different region and may be strangers to each other.

Yes Indians outnumber the locals but it is the locals who invited us in the first place. India has had trading relationship with Arab countries from time immemorial. Arabs trust Indians and employed them. I find the whole thing about destroying CV absurd.

David, most of things you say are 'assumptions'. For instance you assume that someone in HR is destroying your CV or all the CVs of people belonging to your nationality, next presumption is that you are better suited for the job.... etc etc.

Dear stupidity, How have you been? I see you have been quite busy lately. This is evident with the comments made by a few of your new recruits. So my friend, I would ask you to please advise lusitano on the nature of my post, prior to submitting a Stupid answer!!! Mr. Lusitano, once again the blatant lack of intelligence displayed by some of you guys is scary, and equally offensive! First of all, My qualifications were never the issue, My thread was about how third country nationals accepting low wages hurts everyone except the employer. Second my dear imbecile, My candor, or lack of it does not justify the hiring of a tcn, only to have them receive slave wages! And lastly my dear Mr. lusitano, You can inform your mentor, Stupidity that once again he has defeated me. I quit. Apparently ignorance and stupidity are the new trends in Qatar. Just like when speed mentioned it’s a part of the culture. Ohh…it’s a part of the culture is it? Well why didn’t you just say that form the beginning? Lol. That makes it all the better. And yes Mr. Lusitano, my lack of qualifications totally justify what is obviously a problem in most oil and gas companies. My lack of an engineering degree totally negates any morale responsibility the employers have you police their H.R department. Yes Lusi, you are correct! The fact that I failed to receive an engineering degree justifies allowing certain Indians nationals in the oil and gas companies to utilize nepotism. Is that what you would have me believe Mr. Lusi? AT first u seemed intelligent, then you ran off on this proverbial tangent about my qualifications. I'm not complaining about not getting a job genius, I'm complaining about the proper not getting a hold of C.V's!!! Do you understand now? I bet you don’t, because I guarantee you will continue to rant about my Qualifications and so on. Once again for all of my mentally challenged "people" out there listen and read carefully… This thread is not about me crying for a job you simpletons, its about H.R not getting all of the C.V's that people obviously send out!

I'm wondering what would his next topic be?

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.formatted soul, hi...

.about the shoes, which size??? lol

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Please send me your CV and see what I can do..lol

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It all about economics. Anyone can get the job done. Quality can be compromised.

reality ...

David, I can understand your position and it's not only you there are several people from different nationalities in Doha searching for a job.

I pray to God to help you.

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good reply lucitano

very well said... thank u.

DavidB ,

I am an Indian and I work for an IT cmpny here.I have worked in US and in UK as well with 8 years of exp.But after I landed in Qatar ( to join my hubby ) I found a job which paid me as much as I get in India.In India that sal was way too good but here ...I needn't say.

The guy who offered me the post compared my sal with the Indian one and said itz higher than the Indian sal(idiot).But I picked up the job.Itz not that I want to work as a cheapo or a slave.

I know that this is the only cmpny in Qatar which provides good exposure to a variety of platforms.This is the only reason to stick to this cmpny.

And above all I was confident that I WILL PROVE HOW GOOD I AM THAN THE ONES WHO CARRY A FAT WALLET HOME.I am succesfull in this and can see that in my boss's face.And u know what ,now I will become indispensible and ask him for the best package which he cannot deny.It wud have been foolish of me to deny the job at the first place since I wanted a good job.(not just a job)

Why do companies outsource their jobs?

It is very simple and evident that "MUST BETTER SKILLS ARE AVAILABLE AT A MUCH LESSER RATE" .period.

And for heaven sake please do not talk about IQ and proffessionalism for another time as it is not ur cup of tea ot not ur shoe size.

if the shoe fits, wear it... but only if you're the ones who gets it.

dude, point taken and indeed there's a flaw, but you're also missing some critical idea of what you're saying, jobs technically available for those people that basically suits its qualifications, whether they're saying true or not in their resume (it's not ours to figure it out) or you think their unqualified because of other reasons...

but the truth is, one time you're not hired and you feel like you're qualified for the job, that's the hiring personnel's fault not yours nor any other applicant on the job whether different nationals, but if it's twice, thrice or even more than that, maybe you need to think it through, isn't still their fault or there's something wrong about you?

^_^ IMHO

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

this has got to stop...can someone please just hire david?

If a job is available and 5 people qualify, by education, for that job it is really not necessary that the job should go to the one with the best education. There are other issues like sociability etc. And the boss is usually correct in what he/she wants. So what are we complaining?

Why does the US have H1B cap every year? Is it to ensure that the better qualified Americans land the jobs? We need to get real. Market economics are a reality and we need to learn skills that are important to get a living. Stop complaining and start working!

If you are so sure...Why you didn’t complain to the senior management?

can we buy him a shoes? He is jobless..lol

Aunt Polly,

We all agree with you, but unfortunately these things happen everywhere in the world! They are the less Nobel side of human behavior!

As for David, I suspect that this is not the case.

First he has not presented any evidence to backup his accusations;

Second he is not qualified and does not have enough experience, to meet the basic requirements of the companies' he is targeting;

And third, by the tone and contents of his posts, his integrity can be easily questioned.

This man must not be wearing any shoes, I bet....NO shoes no IQ....lol.

Goodness, what an arrogance...!!!

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

well said Lusitano.

Like they said '' If you cant change yourself, change your boss'' . If the job market and its practices you are in doesnt suite or serve you what you deserve, switch to the one which suites you. simple

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With this attitude you are never gonna find a job. If you are good enough you don’t have to moan….offers will come to you. Why finding fault on others for your lack of qualification or experience..why don’t you go back to your country and find a job instead of hunting jobs here..I am sure opportunities in your country is only for the good ones and not for people like you..

Employers here know who works better for realistic salary…..why would they hire you for huge salary for doing nothing… if they can get the job done spending less money and get better quality work.

And how you think all these westerners here in big Oil & gas companies got their job? Is that because their uncle is the HR manager?? Get a life than moaning forever..

David Banner,

Whatever reason you might have had, you lost it with the tone and generalization of your recently published posts!

The world isn’t perfect, unfortunately things like this happen everywhere,

Even in your country and Canada, where minorities are "officially favored" (positive discrimination is sometimes practiced or at least officially facilitated), these things take place.

However, to be fair, those who do it are neither an entire nation nor any particular one. They are some from all nations, whenever conditions favor these actions!

Sad and unfair, as many other human behaviors!!!

David,

By the way, your failed attempts for employment in the companies you mentioned, maybe due to the fact that you have no engineering degree nor do you have a minimum of 8 years of experience in the industry. These are general criteria used by those companies!

By the contents and tones of several posts you publish here in QL, you demonstrate arrogance, lack of humility and a poor understanding of the environment where you are trying to settle.

Please consider your attitude and the way you see the world and judge it. Try to remember that we have a tendency to judge in accordance with our luggage and our backgrounds. This is all OK when we are within “our world”, however when you are overseas, that is definite not sufficient.

You will learn a lot more, when struggling the way you seem to be now, which will help you be more tolerant and flexible in the future.

Be patient and kind, you will be rewarded in accordance with what you deserve!

Good luck and all the best!

Lusitano U said it all...

Hi ,

David Banner , I agree wih you 100%- jobs should not be handed out based on colour or race or nationality or religion or family or vasta or whatever - the employee should be selected based on his academic qualifications, experience and his ability to work in new enviornments for the benefit of the organisation.

I was just noticing this problem in my own workplace- a post for a nurse is filled up by a PhD in Zoology just because this person happens to be of the same nationality as that of the administrator , who puts the job offer on the net in the first place. This is absolutely unfair and against the principles of justice and equal opportunity. Are there no audits at all in these places ? Why does any one in power not notice these unscrupulous deals . I am also told that money changes hands when some one gets a job care of some one else.

AP

Lustiano...very well said....

ask for two positions! :)

and knock twice in my cave for my CV...

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Bloody regards,

Drac

Maybe, I will secure a posistion with a good oil and gas company

Have a good new-job! :)

Yes, yes, an intelligent conversation....Thank you guys. Really, Thank you.... However i will attempt to answer expatins question. First off no it is not fair. Unfortunately people are judged by appearances. The same can be said about the business word. Countries like the United States and Britain are still widely perceived as word powers, Hence the reason people from these country's are paid more for their perceived expertise

I think expat has just hit the proverbial nail on the head. The H.R guys have an arduous task of sorting Threw a plethora of C.V's. However this should not negate the fact that they are paid to do a job. I'm not one to rely on past laurels, but i am qualified to perform the task required for any position i apply for. However, since i posses above average intelligence i feel like I'm being "Frowned Upon" because of this fact. I love Qatar and all it has to offer, however if we continue with the current trend of allowing H.R to Hookup their buddies with jobs, I fear we are losing out on quality talent.

the real me is a mechanical engineer.

damn good one but from East-Europe!

no one chance for me to get a package like anothers expatriates ...

meek, the leader?

Sci-Fi

agree with you to some extent...but what would you say to people with the same educational qualification and experience being paid differently because they are of different nationalities???? yeah i know ....people always claim that workers are being paid as per their necessities and expenses in their home country....but do you really bite that???? and in all fairness dont you think this is happenin everywhere???

I agree that there are many anomolies not just here, but in the whole of the Middle East.

I don't believe its a matter of work ethic. Its more to do with companies not having proper recruitment / assessment proper mechanisms / processes in place.

CV's / resumes are in general passed through coleagues, friends or relatives. In many cases , managers of sections "prefer" to hire groups they feel comfortable with or know that they can control. The senior managers and HR usually only look at the bottomn line , which is the salary and benefits being paid.

Dracula...

Please do not misinterpret my intentions. The sacrifice that is made by these individuals is obvious. But here is my question.. At what point does ones intentions stray form the path of the honorable to blatant and wanton discrimination? If i had a dollar for every time i applied for one of these prestigious firms.. Is it fair that because I'm American, i should be passed over for cheap labor? Is it fair that those of us who are "Self Aware" should be the ones to suffer? I know the bible mentions something about "The meek shall inherit the earth", but goodness...

I think one of the top reasons expatriates give for coming to the Qatar is a desire to provide better educational and economic opportunities to their families and children.

The children in expatriates families are well aware of their parents' motivations for coming to Qatar.

By the time they reach adolescence, many children with foreign-born parents acknowledge their parents' efforts and cite their parents' sacrifices as sources of motivation for trying to succeed in Middle East.

Indeed, "these guys accept meager salary's, or slave wages..."

Brit expat.. Its nice to hear from someone with an I.Q greater than his or her shoe size. I welcome your comments, as well as anyone else who is educated and intelligent. You are correct. The "economic downturn" has turn in to a full fledged recession, But i digress.... I assume you are a gentleman of British decent. with that being said, you can relate to my Darwinian work ethic that has been instilled in me since i was a child. Here in Qatar, it seems as long as you know someone, or you are willing to work for cheap , that qualifies one for employment!!

The sad fact of life and free market economics. The companies will try and get the cheapest labour possible. The same is now occurring in the West. Outsourcing and sub-contracting means employing cheaper labour.

Art least the government here is supporting its own people by ensuring that they get jobs with decent pay.

If the shoe fits...

Whats That All about...........................??