racist

hahaha...stop yelling bout racism and stuff, and yet you dont even bother to do anything bout it - ASK YOURSELF THIS, why didnt I gave that poor guy a ride???(it was blistering hot by the road...sighs)

BensoneRafiq, you should open your own topic since Filipino language and the way Indians drive has nothing to do with being racist. don't stir up yourself as if you understood the the topic all too well.

I'd been here for a while, but I don't mind seeing those ads. It's just that people got their own reasons of whom they want to be with. I don't see any problems with that. it's all about preferences buddy.

It is always the lost that need my guidance

Over 300 comments, thank you all for the various opinions..

was keenly observing for worthy debate excercise but so far, only one thing i can say;

david baner, as you were saying you were trying to raise an "intelligent conversation or debate", i really doubt if you can upheld your ground on the stance of that challenge. simply put, your intelligence doesn't show the definition and true meaning of the word.

maybe if you are really intelliently so, you could have tried and proven quickly at first barrage of your thoughts, to had appeared so intelligently, by making your point convincingly acceptable to majority, but so far you had misserably failed on that.

then in retaliatory defense, you had quickly pointed out ignorance and stupitidy of others in their remarks simply because they contradicted your own point of view. what kind of debate is that? that action in itself shows your lack of understanding on what you had initiated in the first place...i.e, to have an "intelligent debate".

if only you had stated solid facts and figures to support your argument, that could have been more respectable and harder to contradict. however, you had simply threaded on false pretext and subjective assumptions by generalizing this and that.

it's evidently conclusive that engaging you in what you call "intelligent debate" would just be concluded a futile exercise and wastages of time.

and regarding that of apparently having a hard time finding work and accomodation, that i was simply amused. If in these part of the world wherein white expats had the upperhand in selection process due to racial biases, how was it that you find it hard to succeed? i really wonder how more of descrimination will one face back at his homeland? is that how intelligent people really experience in reality?

now that really amuses me a lot, "intelligent" eh? :P

regarding "pigs", i would rather be called stupid rather than be called "intelligent" whom had led their own country's economy to what it is now... shambles!

too much "intelligent" people running the show and look where they are now, scrambling elsewhere to find a job because they cannot find one back home...

oopss!! am i also generalizing with an assumption or is that a fact??

Dear Haddoc,

Just because somebody is targetting people with reference to nationality, that doesnt mean you should also respond in that manner. As a human being one can always portray decency and dignity at the same time conveying the message without any offence to anybody. You by reacting like this to David's message is proving that you are no less than him.

Believe me, such people are waiting for opportunities to target the country and its citizens which is very wrong be it any! I will definitely voice that against irrespective of which country or nationality they are talking about!

As gloopy said, definitely all westerners are not like that! Even if I meet 100 more davids and thousand more like "Meaningful" here, I would never ever make an attempt to target their nationality and condemn because of my experience with them! For me it is my own experience with another person and it ends there. I have met and continue to meet good people from all over the world! ! One can maintain self respect and esteem, at the same time can convey the message!!

Do not use disrespectful words just because others are writing in their messages! These are not good examples to be followed!

I am sorry you feel that about ALL Westerners! I wonder if somebody said that about ALL Indians how you would react! Very nasty RACIST you are.

Dear David,

it is a very subjective thing. From your point of view, it is just a matter of convenience. You take or accept what is convenient to you. People like Meaningful can ne ver agree that that you can definitely find good people everywhere because her mind from her young age is pre-conditioned to a perception. Even if she has experienced good from the nationality she condemns, she will never divulge that because she want to believe, what she like to, no matter even if she is wrong or mistaken and far away from the truth, (now truth here means not Indians are good, but a universal truth that good and bad are everywhere)!

Remember, perceptions are subject to change.

She is supporting and talking in your language , so you second that. there are others in this thread who are talking in a directiion that nobody should be generalized - ref to any nationality or community. Remember david, if you would have used your same comment for some other nationality or community, my replies posted here would apply to that as well

regarding your "we all know" who all does it constitute? All those people who are portraying arrogance and mannerlessness individually?

Then I would be more pleased and privileged even I am alone to voice in a neutral way. Your personal confrontations or incidences are limited to the people whom you are associated in your daily life? A country or a place,or community has got nothing to do with it? If you would have had bad experiences from the people of your own country, I think you would never start a forum saying such things, since the issue is about persons from a different geographical location, you feel that it is your right to make an attempt to sabotage them to cover your disappointment, fear of failure, inabilities, lack of aggression in your tasks and take out your frustration? this way you can attract similar people who are waiting for such opportunities just to criticize other people in the name of voicing their opinion, to show how great they are by letting down others? This is what you call an intelligent debate ?

It is a pity that how intelligence has been perceived, has been linked to nationality, driving, eating, cooking, body stinking as well as pigs, idiots sort of expressions came from an intelligent and highly educated thinker!!!

She has the right to voice her opinion. And to be honest, we all know there is some truth to what meaningful is saying. If everyone is saying the same thing, i mean goodness. There has to be some truth in there. Just look at haddoc? Is this gentleman not an complete idiot? Meaningful has a right to be able to voice her opinions. This is how she feels. the only difference is she has the courage to say this out loud!!

Dear Meaningful,

You are just being weird about the treatment you got by Indians. It I maintain my point you are treated bad by some individuals or persons.

People like you will call somebody today angel and tomorrow devil. from your statements, it is quite obvious that in any given circusmtances, if you happen to face a bad experience god for sake, from people who happen to be from other nationalities including the ones certified by you as angels, I am sure you will add them to the list saying even this and xyz natioanlity both have nothing good in them becasue your secretary did like that!!

My suggestion is in case you happen to face such experience from people from other nationalities, do not do the same what you are doing with Indians.

BECAUSE NOBODY CAN GUARANTEE ABOUT ANY PERSON'S GOODNESS OR BADNESS FOREVER! OK!

Regarding comparison, I dont compare myself with anybody, I have my self esteem to grow and raise me as an individual with respect. In a world of populatlion, every person has got its opiniion on things, which is one you expressed, definitely not a reality!

Truth which you are talking about is nothing but an opinion, I dont care what you think of indians or me as an individual, it is not going to affect anything, most important, truth doesnt need to be reinforced by the arguments you have stated!

Truth stands by itself, it does not need an argument but wherever there is an argument, it is based on opinions and yours is one of such case.

Your ignorance/lack of awareness is very much visible when you talk about all indians on high positions have

got on gossip, fake graduation, because you are downgrading your own country but I as an expat respect this country and countrymen including you and your family because my self respect, my background taught me to give respect to the people irrespective of which class they come from and what kind of an attitude they have! At the end of the day, we are human beings, nobody's character can be enhanced or downgraded just because they hail from a particular place or country! It is everybody's personal attributes and character based on which he or she grows or decline! Names and Nationalities are just for social identification, and they should be used to only to fill the forms and documents!

So if you feel, as a human being, do not talk filthy about the whole nationality be it any, just because you had some bad experience with some individuals who happen to be from a particular country!! This is what I wanted to convey to you!

Rest upto you, if you continue so be it! I am not going to justify or convince anything nor I had this intention in any of my previous replys to you, nor your opinions about any nationality including mine is going to affect any growth or development! People will continue to grow wherever they hail from based on their personal contributions! Nationality is not going to feed them!!!!

All this Indian bashing comes out of the fact that those 'imbeciles' complaining about it have been rightfully shown their place. Their CV's need to go to the shredder or to the waste bin. Uneducated people like David et al. expect their primary school qualification to be considered for the post of CEO's of multinational companies just because they come form the so called "first world countries" and not "TCN's" (you slimy rotten lard).

Come on you dumbos'. Just accept the fact that you jokers are incompetent and the Indians work better than you. They are resourceful and successful. Try to match them on the field rather than sit in front of your computer ranting and bickering, you lazy b*ms.

Anyway this is a good place for you to let off some steam as you are incompetent to face reality.

gloopy my Dear Dracula is not trying to be racist but as i told you IT IS NOT JUST ME who got bad experience with them.

how many years u worked with them? and btw indians whenever they meet european/canadian or american they pretend to be very good ..trust me i know them i worked with many many of them and u know why? bcz they know you guys dont know them well...dont know what inside thier mind is. u want to know them well? ask arabs.

just be careful!

DONT LET YESTERDAYS DISAPOINTMENTS OVERSHADOW 2MOROWS DREAMS!

See your point of view, but not all are the same.

i am not racist!

but..this is true!

Are you being the Devils advocate now?

indians can do anything for the sake of money...fight , hate, hit ,gossip

Sorry you have had a bad time with Indians and grew up with that feeling.

However, I am sure, hand on heart, not all Indian people are as you describe. There is good and bad in every culture!

Yes, we all can come on here and quote bad experiences, but if we were at home with our own we could too.

All I am saying, we live in a mutlicultural society and we are bound to meet people/cultures we do not like, but please don't let it colour your view of all those people.

I have Indian friends and to be honest, sometimes I like them more than my British friends. I worked with people from Asia and they were great.

I have lived on my 'Western', lovely compound for 4 years and I know 2 people. Oh by the way, one of them is Indian and the other a local.

My knowledge is updated since indians started coming to gulf in tons and tons! i grew up seing this people with their bad habit since i was a kid! as gloopygladys said this is has to do with ever since, indians effected me since i was a kid, they effected my dad nd so on...as i said in my last many posts it is not just me who has bad experience with indians, indians can do anything for the sake of money...fight , hate, hit ,gossip all these are in indians mind. I know in every country there good and bad but in india there 90% bad, I have been treated very bad with indians , me ,my family and friends and any person i meet in my life his/her idea about indians is the same. I worked in many diferent companies with diferent culture..but indians are sick people. what will you talk about indians?..they have nothing good..again im saying i have never seen a good indian. yes a BIG YES indians are destroying CV`s, indians gossip a lot , lie a lot they can go to a big boss just to be close to him and start gossiping. they stink their body and their mind too. very big pretenders , they know how to pretend and play games. when they work under you they will be like chicken whatever you say or do they will say yes yes yes sir/madame they will shake their head and lick ur feet, but one day they get a promotion or high pay ..within a day they totally change ...start walking with their showder raised, and bla bla bla too much , those who you mention got big position its all because of their fake graduation and lot of gossip! it is a big sin to compare urself with filipinos, it is like comparing a devil and an angel. if you are paniking by what i say i dont blame you bcz , truth always hurts.

DONT LET YESTERDAYS DISAPOINTMENTS OVERSHADOW 2MOROWS DREAMS!

Thank's, this is a true story by the way. It happened to me early on im my life thank goodness and I hope I still stand by the morals I was taught. Yes, like all, I get angry at people but if I am angry, it is at THAT person, not the colour of their skin.

Dear Gloopygladys,

Really I agree with you, in fact in the same thread I have mentioned this point in a different way that human beings should be taught human values at their home. You will treat everybody nicely both relatives and strangers provided that is demonstrated in front of you. If those values are not imparted at the very young age, you will end up disrespecting others and develop arrogance.

Thanks for this inspirational comment. I also made my son to read this. Like good and bad are everywhere, we need to take the good only if one really wants to grow with dignity.

Racism starts in the home. If a child picks up on the parents saying horrible nasty things about some other person colour or religion, kids will follow it.

When I was 4 I heard my Mum talking to my father about a lady that was moving into the village. She was from Barbados, some people in the village had started a petition to stop this lady moving in.

My Mum, god love her refused to sign the petition, saying, 'we don't know this lady so why are you hating her already because of where she is from'?

I can then remember hearing this lady was having a baby and I was soooooooo excited about that; so clutching some comics I knocked on her door and asked if I could play with her baby, this lovely lady explained the baby was not out yet but I could still come in and look at the babys new pram etc.

This lady is still my friend and this is 41 years ago. Her children and me, my siblings are still close friends even now. This lady in question PROVED to be the best friend any person could have in the world and helped my parents and family so many times over the years.

She also overcame the prejudice of all the others in the village. It was her sons 40th last year and I flew home especially for his party and it was great to see at half the village there, enjoying themselves and 100% friend to this woman.

Not saying my Mum was the only reason this lady was accepted by , she is a warm beautiful person in her own right but I think my Mum was the catylist.

I learnt a very valuable lesson at 4 and this has stuck me and I tell my kids this story.

Then talk about the people not nationality! Are the cars driven branded here with nationality that you are talking about in particular? Some individual in Bahrain expressed his opinion about driving, so very conveniently using that to justify your baseless and mannerless arguments! Is he a god to believe anything true?

It is a very good decision you took to hand off from this thread because you are the one who is talking about racism here, nobody can downgrade a race or a nationality! my self esteem is high, it is definitely not going to be sabotaged by filthy people like you! I mean not your nationality but you as an individual! Get that to your head!!!

Neither the road belong to your father or mother. Feel bad for your race being downgraded here in Qatar but I guess I know why. The reasons are very clear to everyone

Enough, I will hand off from this thread but think about the way the people drive here. Who make it worse. I recall when I was in Bahrain and this Bahraini told me about the driver in Middle East from where the driving cultures came from.........from you and your people!! congrat!

im also indian but the things mainly their specifying only indians can apply or philippines apply for rooms you k now why like that its not like racism .. in qatar libing cost is toom uch in our peoples especially bacholors can get only 1 room now we habe to gibe 2500 riyal not furnicshed one so normally people sharing the accomadation in your casr mostly american or british nation your minimuim salry is 4000 dollar should be am i right or not so you can think all indians are not getting moretrhan 5000 riyal per month how do they libe how can they mange cost od libing here think about that dont tell in indians or othere racism

Dear Mom_me

I do very much respect your views, but after reading the content of the people which is portraying only the elements like arrogance, misbehaviour and mannerlessness, no matter how many social advertisements convey the message that it is unfair to talk about nationalities or community, such people will not realise and improve.

The Respect for fellow human beings irrespective of where they hail from, comes only if you belong to a good family background and right from young age, you are injected with good family ethics and values. It is all about attitude of an individual not nationality, caste or sex or creed.

It is pretty evident that such topics 'calling Indians or Filipinos names' go on and on. Sometimes I feel they could be like ADVERTISEMENT for the site as it will attract maximum participation from all the nationalities.

The great driver BensonERafiq,

Driving on the road is not related to this topic at all. Dont talk irrelevant things just as an excuse to target people with your arrogance! Nor the road here belongs to your forefather and also remember you are NOT in Wallis and Futuna Islands!

The initial para you had mentioned that all Indians are not like but while closing you concluded that there is no good in them!

Inspite of a resident of qatar, you are still not aware of the high positions held by Indians in Qatar. OK lets for argument sake, there are people who appoint their own community in certain cases, but do you think all the recruiters or decision makers who are not Indians but do appoint the Indians for high positions are Idiots, do you think management of all the public and private sectors are stupid to hire worthless employees? Arent they answerable to the owners of the companies if they appoint non-deserving staff irrespective of any nationality?

Please madam, go and update your knowledge first, just because your secretary did something, do not generalise any nationality? There may be such people in your own also? And the majority's opinion you are referring to whom you met, may be just known to you, it cannot become a reality and its just an opinion! it changes according to everybody's personal experience with other!

So please refrain from commenting like there is nothing good in Indians! By making such remarks, you are bringing disgrace to your nationality and community because a decently brought up person will respect others and will never generalise people based on their nationality! So stop saying such things when you dont know anything!

Last but not the least, be like your ID, dont use the word meaningful just to log on to qatarliving but practice and apply that in your life, Trust me you will grow in a dignified manner!

You are not gamelover007 but gameloser420!!!!!

You dont deserve to talk about anything! I pity you!

I guesss you guys go nowhere with this thread. There are right and wrong in David arguments but can I bow you to give them some credits of which they are losing?

I totally agree with you, indians are in deed very racist. they are pigs as well.

David... you are not right bz the Indian and Philipino they can join any company on low salaries... and do you know why they get job easily bz if you hit or abuse infront of them they will say nothing bad to you they will laugh,thats why this country caught in them. On the other hand westren get more slaries more benefits and allowance...even they dont have enough experience and qualification as compared to asians. im not an indian or philipino & also their is no racist in this country even in the whole middle east but in some western part their is a lot of racist. I think you don't mind .....

CAN ANY ONE TELL A SINGLE PLACE IN THE WORLD WITH OUT RACIAL DISCRIMINATION , IT IS THERE EVERY WHERE , PEOPLE WHO ENCROCHED KILLED NATIVES IN AMERICA 400 T0 200 YEARS BEFORE ARE NOW THE LAWFUL CITIZENS , IN MY OWN COUNTRY INDIA PEOPLE ARE DIVIDED AS UPPER CAST LOWER CAST , HINDU , MUSLIM ETC . IT IS THERE EVERY WHERE , FIRST LETS CORRECT OURSELF , DONT BE RACIST FIRST , NEVER INSULT OTHER PEOPLE THEN YOU WILL WIN YOUR RESPECT

It is sad to see that some people are so ignorant in this day and age. Racism stems from ignorance and insecurity. Thank God for all the different nationalities and people in the world. To explore the different cultures and customs of the world will give you an education no school can give. And if your mind is open you may learn more about your self from the experience.

then bensonerafiq, what would you say about Lehman Brothers which is the route cause of this crisis?

Inspite of this position, Satyam will still sustain and grow, you watch out because as per the latest economic report, the employees are being paid their January salary on time. They will grow. But Lehman collapsed and not only that it put the whole world into crisis!

there are ups and down in life, how you overcome, lead and led success is the game all about! see the website marketwatch.com you will know the reality

Fcuk Racism!!!! YEAH!

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Lebanon... the love of my soul!

Perhaps I've missed something here guys and gals. Aren't we all in the same "global boat" here?

As soon as you take umbridge over this matter, it falsifies your original point.

And on the note, I'll duck out of this pointless discussion.

Good luck to one and all.

Parkers.

It is always the lost that need my guidance

I say if you cant beat them join them..lol

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HE WHO DARES WINS

David did not say phillipinos are destroying CVs , filipinos case was just for the accomodation thing, which to my opinion its ok to choose whoever u want to live with. but about destroying CVs he said indians..which is very true...i had same experience not one time ..and not only in Qatar, indians (not all but very few) do that , even my own secretary was indian did the same and i found out and terminate her immideatly. also David did not say all are pigs he said whoever is doing such action is a pig, honestly you guys out there never work with indians isnt it?, if you dont know indians try it and u will come back here and start a new topic about indians lol.

I have no issues about filipinos i work with them and they are cool and not only me majority of ppl i met they dont have any issues with filipinos but ask anyone else about indians ...or just try to start a new thread asking about indians, theres nothing good in them. sorry to say the truth.

sorry for my english ...its my second language (proud arab)

DONT LET YESTERDAYS DISAPOINTMENTS OVERSHADOW 2MOROWS DREAMS!

well as for me these people have nothing to be proud of...they r over milliard and the maximum they can have is some persons in some high positions...all there habbits and costums r silly...after all it has been never the quantity but for sure the quality..........

When i quoted my ref number the found my CV.. and ya.. it was in the big pile on the indians desk...lucky i phoned around.. they all should be deported.. teh racist hire clerks.

It is always the lost that need my guidance

After reading and analyzing all the comments being posted in this thread, there is only one thing I can say....

I rather stay as a stupid person with self respect rather than a person who is well educated but can not determine what is right or wrong...

what about Satyam? how could this big IT which you claim the people behind it are excel and efficient went into BIG TROUBLE. Another can of worms opened!

Hello Keith,

Even I share the same views with you about Dubai, being a resident of that country more than a decade.

gosh this QL is getting full of racist comments.

Check mate

I lived in Dubai for many years and I have to say it was never a subject worthy of discussion, in my experience.

Does this "intelligent discussion" happen in Dubai / UAE also..????? Anybody has experienced?

david, the way you think about filipinos and indians, they would think the same about your nationality being given preference in certain situations. So pointing out right about any nationality in a free country would definitely bring opinions from them as well.this is a forum

everybody else is stupid other than you, then why even react. you should be even more foolish to reply when you talk about being intelligent.

you had a personal situation or was provoked by an incident in your life that you had to generalise two nationalities.

think boy, with the brain you have. learn to live or deal with an issue, not bluntly cry out at so called injustice to the whites or others.

Your forum topic was just as provocative as the way you were called a racist.

HAVE A GOOD DAY MY FRIEND.

Correction:

"as for my preference, well that's why i live alone"....with my empty bottles! :P

david, i think the issue is that you labeled people racist because they posted the nationality they prefer to live with.

sure we can't choose our neighbours but at least give them the right to choose who they live with.

as for my preference, well that's why i live alone.

take it with a pinch of salt!

david.....please don't be mistaken...this is by far a free country........

Say what you will people. This is a free country and I’m entitled to say what’s on my mind. That’s why this is called a forum. I could care less what the majority of you think of me or my credentials. Bottom line is I’m discussing an issue that exist in Qatar. I’m really surprised how stupid most of you guys are. I tried to have an intelligent conversation. Now it would appear that some of you have labeled me a racist. Well you are entitled to your opinion. Also, you have made a conscience decision to read and responded to this thread so stop crying. I never said all Indians or all Filipinos. If the shoe fits then wear it. If not read, post your comment and move on.

Your disagree is good with respect to their way of behaving.Friend am also indian,even am getting frustration with these sort of people but remember not all indian all like that and not every british people are like you.

Thanks for your reply. My sincere apologies for misunderstanding you. The thing is we dont communicate to people thinking from receiver's point of view. That is why positive words are perceived in a negative way. It generally happens, even I have faced similar situations where my words are being taken in a negative way when I meant totally appreciating.

thanks for correcting me and I would love to be corrected when I am wrong because I want to learn and grow.

Regards,

I was just agreeing with u....

I liked ur statement " because whether you are an american or indian or whatever so, learn to be a human being first!!!!!!!! basic manners is very far away from you!!!

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I don't know whether "fundu" has any other meaning..Again english is not my native language...We use "fundu" to praise people who r brilliant..

BTW, I wud never get into any confrontation with u for anything for the fact that ur ID has half of my daughter's name in it...

Moderators should stop people like him from posting such hateful things about other nationalities, since forums like this should promote camaraderie and equal respect for every nationality. We are all foreigners here trying to overcome our loneliness of being away from our families just to earn a living, people like him who has experienced infairness in their lives should not blame them to someone else. Who did not experience unfair treatment when you go to a foreign land anyway? It will be up to you as a person on how you will cope and overcome these situations. I beg you to please look in your own homeland what has been happening before you criticize others. Now you know how it feels to be discriminated (even if the majority thinks otherwise).

"Do not do unto others what you do not want to do unto you" May God bless you.

You can't teach experience...

Thats true alfa Q.

He is unable to compete in an open job market like Qatar.

And he himself accepts the truth.

It seems that blokes like david are discarded bunch from USA who are spreading shit in this part of world. Most of these unfit buggers were realy beggers & homeless and have got cushy jobs here because of their fair assholes.

Here I am... just feel like living in India rather than Qatar...

I was interviewed & being successfully offered a post in QP straight away by a Qatari right in my home country... no hassle at all..

QATAR IT,

May be you didnt understand anything, so you dont know what to say!

According to George Orwell Pigs are very intelligent. They are also good administrators. Napoleon(Pig) was very shrewd,cunning and a ruthless dictator! wasn't he?

MOderators. - If you still feel this guy should be a part of us in QL, I strongly believe you are not doing your job.

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Listen to Many..Speak to a few.

Exactly ...Laksha65, to the point.

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

U r just fundu...

I totally agree with you dave...

I am a strong believer of the fact that there are good and bad everywhere, if we are wise enough, then we have to take the best from the people as an example to grow further. We cannot blame nationalities or group or community.

David, for your job prospects, you may contact Clarendon Parker ME, Kershaw Leonard, Charter House ME, who in most of their recruitment advertisements specify something like this - (followed by the job title)

UK/US OR AUSTRALIAN EDUCATED, NATIVE SPEAKERS ONLY

If you are not registered with them, please do so but if you have already, inspite of that not successful, then man try and try again. Thats all. Dont waste your time talking ill about others.

Most important, in the world No individual or a group or nationality has got any right to point out on others.

You are an adult, learn to take responsibility for your own action and face the results.

If you are not getting job, only you are responsible for it. No one else. HR Departments of all the companies here are not stupid or idiot to do such things. There could be one or two such incidences like this but again exceptions cannot be examples. You cannot generalize that!!! You had mentioned about Unscruplous practices! What are you referring to! Can you give an example! Dont be weird man!

What truth you are talking about? You are an individual and said what you felt, may be right for you and wrong for others! It is a very subjective thing.

Who are you to talk about somebody's preference of choosing an accommodation? If you are not getting any proper place to live, try more aggressively then!

The reactions from people is bouncing back on you because you asked for it!

And believe nobody needs a certificate from a person like you that so and so nationalities are bad or good!!! because whether you are an american or indian or whatever so, learn to be a human being first!!!!!!!! basic manners is very far away from you!!!

If you would have been really affected by something like this you are mentioning, then your phrases would have been more diplomatic, respecting fellow human beings, but at the same time conveying the truth! But rather your statement shows your frustration, your typical ego, you are not able to digest the fact, people from other nationalities are successful here than you people who are supposed to be the so called most intelligent ! Remember one thing intelligence is a part of attitude! When attitude is missing, then no point in talking about intelligence! First learn to voice your opinion in a proper way with respect! OTHERWISE YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF SAYING THAT ENGLISH IS YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE. ONE OF QLERS IN THIS THREAD HAS SAID THAT ENGLISH IS A BUSINESS LANGUAGE AND INDIANS DONT HAVE THE COMMAND AS IT IS A CRAP ACCORDING TO HER, LET ME TELL YOU IF YOU DONT USE YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE - IN A PROPER WAY WITH DUE RESPECT, THEN YOU ARE WORST THAN THE NON-NATIVE SPEAKERS!!!

SO PLEASE MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS YOURSELF INSTEAD OF BLAMING EVERYBODY EXCEPT YOURSELF.

I guess david is in reading mode now.

"I do live by the motto that pessimists are usually right, but all the great change in history was done by optimists" -Thomas Friedman

Another thing Dear David, if you still looking for a sharing accomodation w/ Filipinos please pm me & I'll help you in. Trust me. I hope this will end this thread. Cheers!!!

Hi David,

Lots of vacancies now in QP & RasGas. Try again your luck & stop crying dude. Cheers!

Racial prejudice is rife in the Gulf states - people are hired and paid differently depending on their race. A white British teacher (for example) is paid one rate but a British Indian or a black South African will be paid at a lesser rate. It's endemic in the culture out here - overtly and covertly - just look at how an expat gets treated differently from a local in a road traffic accident/incident.

I don't think Filipinos or Indians are being particularly racist when they specify who they want to rent/share rooms with. Ok, it would not be acceptable/legal to do that in the USA, UK, or EU but here it is the way things are done. There are far worse situations to be considered (the human rights and welfare of migrant workers in construction and domestic services, for example).

Ok can David Banner offer proof of Indians and Fillipinos tampering with CVs at all? he has some points here, but accusing everyone left right and centre of just completely failing to see the point is itself failing to see the point. Everyone's got their own points of views. Just because they vehemently disagree doesn't make them pigs (in the interests of keeping up the West's bee in the bonnet about democracy chuck let's keep democracy here).

If all the jobs are taken by Indians and Pilipinos..I really wonder how did all other westerners except David Banner is found a job in Qatar??

lol shreeya spot on

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After all these name calling why is David Banner still here on QL??? strange..

David Banner is far too funny for words....ahhhh...all the things I would just love to say about the pompous self-righteousness...

Yes, I know, how discomfort it may cause to some to be in a Porkless country.

Sooo many pigs around, not a single one to eat...LOL

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

Edifis ,,,, ask any pig farmer they will tell you pigs are great , you can use every part of it except the oink.

I worked in a pig unit as a student , interesting animals .

If you just had a cyber-fight this spell may help.

As soon as you turn off the PC, take off all your clothes.

Take a cleansing bath or shower.

If you have a bathtub, put purifying herbs such as sage in the tub.

Otherwise, light a stick of rose or sandalwood incense to burn while you shower, and pass the stick around you three times after you finish your shower.

Then wash all the clothes you were wearing.

If some of it has to be dry-cleaned, take it to the cleaners as soon as possible.

Polish the shoes you were wearing if they are leather, otherwise, clean them off with a fresh rag.

The will help clear any bad vibrations that may cling to you.

(Banishment, Spell to Banish Bad Vibes

http://www.spellslibrary.com)

Are Pigs really bad?

check who are those policy-makers & who select them.. think...

Pioneers coming to Qatar? = Indians.. back to history...trading spices & exchange pearl. Most had been here in the last 15-20 years.. before Qatar develop rapidly as nowadays..no wonder.. very influential & established.

- very much different in mentality, work attitude, social ethic, education & life background...etc.

- abundant workforce yet little opportunity especially in Kerala states... life has to go on... and here they are..

- same case to "kabayan"..

- Qatar has become international attraction for its wealth.. everybody should adapt & tolerate to the international environment...but sadly to say some are just keeping & practise their old habits & cultures brought from their home country which may not suitable here to others..

- Good values = tolerate, patience, respect, understanding, sincere, smiles, considerate, unselfish..etc..etc..

-Above are some of international standards.. I assume.. thus with all those.. intelligent discussion can be achieved wisdomly.. from all.. hopefully..

exexpat. I like what your saying .

When I first came to the middle east more than a decade ago I saw something unusual to me as a foreigner and I asked a relative of mine about it .

He told me ,

"look , learn accept , ignore",

I use that principal somewhat selectively ofcourse but it has stood me in good stead all these years.

David will be feeling frustrated because he knows that what he is saying is true (I'm talking about discrimination in CV selection, I don't agree with most of his other comments), just as I and other people who have posted on this thread know that it is true.

But at the same time he knows that there is really nothing he can do about it.

Best thing I can say to David is try another country man. It's been like this for years and nothing is likely to change here for a long, long time.

Good luck...

David Banner,

First of all, let me confess, that yesterday after reading your post I got really really pissed off. And IMHO this is but natural reaction over any name calling. I know I am nowhere in the picture this employment game, so, as any individual I got angry because you called us PIGs. That too without having any concrete evidence that something like this is actually going on. I can say this because many of us are asking you again and again to prove your point and you just plainly failed providing any substantial evidence.

Today again, I saw your post calling us again PIGs and at this point, David, I realized that it is indeed your necessity to call us PIGs. You know, there is a game on net, something like “Punch Your Boss”. Simply write your Boss’s name on the pic and punch it, punch it and punch it. In fact very nice way to release your frustration. After sometimes, the screen re-appears asking you “Play Again?” and you can continue playing it endless times. No harm, as the Boss is going to rise again and again.

Same way I feel you are simply playing a PIG game as a relaxation technique. Well, I must say, it could be beneficial to you. David, if you go to bed with so much hate towards any nationality, your chances of having a Heart attack are increased by say, 40%. Secondly if you keep thinking, that what could be possibly done about us PIGs, you may get a Brain hemorrhage. So, trust me, continue playing the game buddy. It could not harm us as we Indians and Philipinos are going to be here forever, teasing you to play again and again.

I feel pity on you. You are really sick buddy. So, remember, before going to bed say “Indians and Philipones are PIGs” at least 20 times or as many times before you fall a sleep. Get a Good Night sleep and next morning hit the screen again to “Play Once Again”!!!!

Good Night David Banner.

Ignore my language as English is not even my 3rd language…lol

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

You know I'm just joking....

But seriously...In the states right now they are fightin gover jobs at McDonalds...It's bad...

My Ex has been out of work for two years...

My brother had to start his own handyman job...

Your lucky to get a 10 dollar an hour job at home depot ect...And if you do9 get a job its part time without benifits...Probably why ole dave here is so frustrated and looking for work over here....Seriously, good luck David...

You can't teach experience...

Vegas. So that must have been a PAPER CV which the McD filipina threw in the trash right?

And yes I know the process...

If this guy put as much time into finding work as he has in this thread he might find a job...

Anyway, everyone knows that nobody is hiring right now..

The filipina at McDonalds threw my fellow filipino friends resume right in the trash...Can't even get a job at Mickey Ds right now...

You can't teach experience...

Vegas. Do you really think a COMPUTER makes the decisions on who to hire and fire?

Yes CV's may be sent electronically and filtered according to required keywords, but it is a human being who makes the decision as to which of those CV's reach the boss's desk!

You can't teach experience...

haddoc. Wow! According to your profile I see that you are a Congressman!

Then what you doing here man? You can earn a nice living at home and do some good for your people can't you?

Except that you are not REALLY a Congressman are you?

If you tell porkies on your profile then what other porkies are you willing to tell online?

Makes me wonder if you told a few porkies in order to get a job here...

But if I tried to find work in Las Vegas right now...

There is no way...I would have know someone to get me in the door. Times are tough is my point...

You can't teach experience...

But if I tried to find work in Las Vegas right now...

There is no way...I would have know someone to get me in the door. Times are tough is my point...

You can't teach experience...

Come on man, I need a driver to take my kids aged 10 and 12 to the music classes. Do you think you could fit in that role? I would rather trust an asian and pay much less than to any white westerner. Heard a lot of stories of pedophiles in the western world too.

Oops I think I have opened another can of worms!!!

"Payback time" for certain!!!!

cuteydog. Yes, it looks like some people here walk around with their eyes closed and their ears blocked.

Anyone who has spent any time here knows the truth of the situation.

Vegas. Don't be so naieve!

Many CV's are 'hand delivered' (with a recomendation to accept) to the desks of those responsible for hiring.

BTW, if you need to know somebody in order to break into a company rather than be selected on the merits of your experience and qualifications, that is not called networking, it's called nepotism.

Personally I could'nt give a c**p who shares his apartment with whom, the major issue here is the company 'Mafia's' who block more qualified candidates in order to get jobs for their relatives, compatriots and buddies.

please do not judge the whole community because of the action of few Individuals. Everyone of us here are here to make a living. No matter where we come from.

Let me put this straight, where as I am not denying that such practices of a few individuals exists in a few places, but on the whole everyone here is recruited (I hope) on the qualifications and experience not only on nationality.

Let me show you the picture from the other side. I have worked for a few British consultant in the middleast, and all of them I worked fr wanted Managers and Senior Engineers from the UK, Australia etc. However for the low paid jobs like Draftman and assistant Engineer they would employ Indians and Philipinos because they could be hired for a fraction of the cost compared to some from the UK doing the same role.

I do not agree with title of this thread "Racist" you could say that it is action of a few seeking favorism for a few, but to blame the whole community is a bit unfair..

-----------------

HE WHO DARES WINS

for rent to all nationalities...From part of vilas to bed spacing....

I for one would want someone of my own nationality living with me if I were to rent out part of my apt or vila...

I don't consider that rasist...

And again your lucky if a human actually ever gets your CV...Especially in this market...It's all computerized and filtered when you e mail them in...

Like I said you need to know somebody...

It's callled networking I believe...

You can't teach experience...

jjj75. In my earlier posts on this thread I noted the existence of one particular 'Mafia' and my own experiences of them.

As you rightly say, many people in Qatar are in fact employed in positions well beyond their capabilities. This is because the 'Mafia' is in a position to push through their selected recruits without regard to proven experience or qualification.

I still have a copy of the CV of one particular successful applicant, including his 'Degree', and I can assure you, based on my own experience, that no self respecting company would have recruited him as anything more than a trainee, and yet he managed to secure a fairly senior position within this particular company.

Very soon after my own recruitment, it became obvious to me that many other people within my department were either under qualified or felt so secure and protected in their positions that they saw no need to make the effort to do their jobs properly or efficiently.

But the thing that shocked and disturbed me most of all was the lack of proper administrative, communication, reporting & working procedures, the failure to provide job descriptions, and the total lack of any effective management.

As a Brit, I'm ashamed to say that one of the senior managers of my department was British and a long time employee of the company. I had some harsh words with him in the early days of my employment, and explained to him exactly what was going on his dept and who was behind it.

I also told him that if it continued then I would not be staying in Qatar very long. He could not possibly deny (and he did not deny) the truth of what I was saying, and I think he was a bit overwhelmed and embarrassed by my outburst. He did not reprimand me at all, his only response was a slightly sick smile and an embarrassed shrug.

I was able to prove to this guy that 75% of his staff were incompetent and/or obstructive to those of who were interested in doing the job properly. But he did NOTHING to improve the situation and he made no attempt to control the people responsible for screwing up his department.

I've been around a bit and I've seen some fairly hair raising stuff, but I've never experienced a more ridiculous and frustrating situation in my life.

I did gain some satisfaction occasionally when I was able to embarrass some of these comedians, but it was a truly horrible experience and one that I would not wish to repeat.

Yes, it's a good idea to have a mix of races within these companies. But it should be a fairly EQUAL mix so that one race is not able to dominate all the other races and create a 'Mafia'.

Good and fair management is also required in order to prevent this type of situation arising.

i am relatively new in Qatar and i am quite disappointed to hear that this is happening on such a big scale. its utterly disgusting.

my husband has been trying to recruit a few programmers since august and he often says in all innocence, 'i am surprised that people from only one country are applying for these jobs. wonder why europeans or other nationalities are not interested in these positions or maybe we have not advertised properly.'

:-(

Its really funny how everyone got so upset with me once I started to input logic into the thread! I have a comment I would like to share with you guys. Lets say for the sake of argument I am wrong. How is it that the majority of the IT departments here are dominated by Indian nationals? Can u honestly tell me this is the only nationality with IT skills? Come on guys, This is blatant racism and we all know it. Please don’t be upset with me for speaking the truth. Just think, if what I was saying here was a lie, no one would even bother to respond. I would have been labeled an idiot and that’s that. But with the reaction I'm getting it obvious even some of the fellow Qlers are racist. I'm shocked and hurt to be honest. And what scares me the most is not the racism itself. The racism I can deal with, that’s ok. But the fact that we have people here on Qatar Living actually seeking to justify the racism scares the hell out me. God help you all……and these same people get angry when I call them pigs…What would you call someone that imposes on the rights of others? A human being?

Thank you for having the personal courage to speak up about what is correct. I have another really good example fellow Qlers, we all know that one is supposed to apply via the respective companies website. Instead, most "people" will simply put their countryman's C.V on the recruiters table. Can you honestly tell me this is fair? And at what point does our morale and civic duties as a human race come into play? Someone mentioned that my lack of credentials are the cause of my not getting selected. Can you se how a stupid comment like this can cause me to lose my composure? What does that even have to do with the thread, or the conversation in general? Its virtually impossible to have an intelligent conversation with unintelligent people. I wonder if most of you have even read the post? Now if someone would like to start a thread about my comments that’s ok. But thus thread is dedicated to corruption and injustice. A persons…rather David Banners lack of tact does not justify what happens here on a daily basis. Please stick to the thread and or the facts!!

from a pure recruitment point of view (and that is my background) I can say that on the whole it is very bad for a department to be purely of one nationality here in qatar - I have found it has led to underperformance due to the fact that there appears to be a ..... mafia (whatever nationality that would be - although the 2 main times in my experience were Filipinos and Indians although this could happen with any nationality in my opinion). What happens is that they do cover up laziness and incompetence - and these were the things we discovered upon investigation, I understand their reasons - they feel loyal to their fellow countrymen, but at what price to the employer - due to a misplaced sense of loyalty, they often knowingly employ people who simply are not up to the job.

The best thing all round is to employ a nice mix of nationalities so you don't even get this problem whether it be Indian, filipino, americans, europeans etc this means we won't get to the 'closed shop' stage where only those from their province get the jobs. The sooner that Qatar puts in place some robust labour laws the better, then we may see some equality and perhaps even more importanlty efficiency within the commercial companies of this country

Dear Cuteydog, you and I are obviously going to have to learn to tolerate stupidity and injustice. Do you see how these people have now tried to label me a racist? All because I am trying to voice my opinion. It would seem Haddoc has a rather infectious effect on some of his fellow compatriots…….

haddoc said Hello This is the Cycle of life!!!! Payback time!! ...

This was precisely how the colored races felt when they were ruled by the whites in the nineteenth and twentieth century. We in India had suffered a lot under the British rule. The Taj hotel at Mumbai was built by an Indian because the Brits did not allow "Indians and Dogs" into clubs!!!!

How have the African-American community suffered under the white rule in US? How did the colored people suffer under Apartheid in South Africa? Gandhiji was thrown out of the first class compartment of a train despite having a proper ticket in South Africa and left that place to fight the white supremacy and succeeded.

So if you are really that frustrated please form a movement against your so called racism.

It was the whites who gave us that feeling of racism in the end when they came in the disguise of lambs to trade in India.

Even here cant you see the discrimination against the non-whites. The European/American worker gets paid more than twice as much as an Asian gets for the same job.

I do not endorse racism of any kind but your words made me pen this down.

"Once Bitten Twice Shy" they say.

It would appear that some of us are once again failing to accept responsibility in the roles we play in the grand opera of life. I have reread my thread and have come to quite a few conclusions. One of the most obvious conclusions is most of us our totally oblivious to the obvious. To try and justify Indians and Filipinos tampering with C.V's is ubsurd. Everyone has an excuse for what they perceive as justice. Well let me tell you a few things about me Qatar Living. I do not lack the courage of my convictions. As far as calling a spade a spade lets begin shall we. The bottom line is this, Never in all my years in Qatar have I ever heard of an American or western expat tampering with someone's C.V. Nor have I ever heard of an westerner showing favoritism to other westerners as far as jobs are concerned. With that being said, I know on some level that it does happen. Every once in a while, but not to the extent that the Indian nationals take it. And for those of you that say I'm racist that is totally ok with me , you know why? Because the truth hurts! The only reason this thread is still going is because we all know that what I'm saying is true. If this was a blatant lie, no one would have even responded to me. But I noticed a lot of you are really pissed of. Why? Because in your hearts you all know what I'm saying here is true. I can not imagine a white American saying he only wants a white roommate! In my country that’s racism. But here in the Gulf you guys try to justify what you know is wrong. And for my dear friend Speed, please save me the B.S. How dare you speed imply that because we are in the gulf it is apart of the culture? And then later you try to clarify yourself. You were correct the first time. It is apart of the culture, at least you had the courage to say so the first time. Ohh yes…and my pig comments that has everyone in an uproar her is my retort… I stand by what I said the first time!!!!!!!!!!! If you are intentionally throwing away C.Vs for your Indian or Filipino buddy's than you are a pig!! If you are specifying that you only want a particular race living with you that’s your choice. But you should open your mind a bit. And for those of you out there that are really brain dead, (and yes I will give names later) Let me clarify something for you. I'm not judging all pinoys and pinays, nor am I judging all Indians , Azzi did assist me at one time and I thank her for that. But those of you that engage in despicable behavior I find you to be pigs!!!!!!! Cry if u like, or sue me. I noticed not all the Filipinos and Indian nationals got angry about the pig comments. It seems like only the real pigs got angry and the rest of us just tried to get their point across. Oh yes, before I forget….

haddoc said Hello This is the Cycle of life!!!! Payback time!! … Haddoc my dear friend, my dear lass. You are the pig of pigs. I tried to have an intelligent conversation at first, until everyone got all upset over the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you are absolutely right with ur opinion and observation but u can not just say that specific nationalities are racists... i am working in ur country and i am experiencing the so called racism... racism is everywhere... because people tend to go with their own group... needless to say trust their own.. for filipinos this is what we call solidarity... so just let it go and ignore the situation... blend in...

You really pulled my legs...hmp! Chuvaness! Amox!!!

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

I have one question for David Banner - I used to live in England, I know several people there who were openly told, to their faces, that becuase they wore the hijab (obviously making them Muslim), they would not be employed. What do you call that if not blatant racism and the inability for them to express their own religion? Indeed, i know one doctor who was so frustrated at the blatant racism (he is Arab) in the NHS that he ended up just leaving and going back home, where he could at least practice medicine.. hmmmm doesn't it seem to u that this whole racism thing works both ways?

Sorry...I didn't mean to stoop down to his level...somebody tripped me. 0:(

David Banner - Hired

Company - PinoyHindi Piggery

Designation - Butcher

it takes one to know one...

Sharing a house or flat is ones own choice. No one wants to live with other nationals because the culture the way they live is different. Even a westerner won't like to live with an Asian. Calling some one racist or P*G over this issue is irrelevant...... Even this person wouldnt want to live with an Asian....!!!!

wow, this thread still alive???

This person just wants to get attention , thats why he is writing all these junk stuff.

haha, that figures and i bet you've got your place way back long ago...

that's how difficult finding accommodations in qatar, for the best thing you'll ever get is a decent one with a high pricetag or sharing with people you comfortable with along with sharing the rent expense...

^_^ peace men.

salax, it's because most of what you saw (esp. in filipino adds) are but "sharing accommodation" in which doesn't even fall on your so called "independent accommodation"

those that you wishes to get falls to categories that price is about that level (more than 3k, i guess), henceforth those people wanna share the place has the right to choose, but for those who offers independent spots often ask a higher price...

and just a thought, is there any "affordable housing" in qatar? only those of sharing rooms and bedspacers you'll might find...

^_^ bro, think clear and re-read of your statement and no offense and if ever you'll find one, well you're just lucky, i guess...

No offense, david banner..

what you said could be right.

but,

i dont if it's because i was living my whole life in qatar or not, i am an indian and i would never do that to anyone.

wow, i'm ashamed to see that people from my country treat others like this.

hey but in every nation, there can be some good people!

shreeya ...you back with a bang...lol

Sukat bombil...ROFLMAO..

"vincit omnia veritas"

Look it up!

They are recieved electronically and if key words are net met they are automatically discarded. This happens everywhere...And in this market the only way your gonna get a decent position is to know someone on the inside. Fact of the economy right now...If you have a job...You better hang onto it...

You can't teach experience...

jewel.

The correct term is 'vice versa', a Latin phrase meaning 'the other way around', 'with position turned' or 'conversley'.

And you are questioning me about educational standards?

Funny, I saw UK in David Banner's user profile before his post got deleted. If this topic is to distract and keep things alive here, it sure works well.

jewel. I presume you are talking to me?

I did not question the STANDARD of education in any country.

My point is that recruiting companies place too much emphasis on educational qualifications, rather than focusing on relevant and proven work experience.

Please read my post properly and try to understand it.

TQ.

Attitude Attitude !!! David, your CV got rejected in these two firms because you were not a team player. This is what you wrote in your resume : 'I will not work with any Indian and/or Filipino p*gs.'

Gud one Jack. Please invite me for a cup when you find one. i m waiting............

Do you want to say that eduction systemn of other countries are not up to the mark. U grew up learning ABC.I too Grew up learning ABC. What work experience are you talking about.Our standard of living depends upon our earnings nd not visa versa.

Godsgrace. It's very difficult to clearly explain to you why DB feels so badly about the situation.

But having experienced similar treatment from a certain group within a large operating company here, I can sympathise with some of his feelings.

Believe me, it is true that 'Mafia's' operate within the major oil & gas operators here.

Coming in as a new recruit to these companies, it takes a little time to understand exactly what is going on and what exactly they require of you.

The 'Mafia' understands this and takes full advantage of the situation, they will push you in all directions except the right one.

Even when you realise and understand what is really going on, there is little you can do about it because the 'Mafia' have established connections right at the top, and you, as a new recruit, will not be listened too.

I fought these guys for two years, and even though I frequently embarrassed them and demonstrated to the top people that they were incompetent and corrupt, nothing changed.

You must draw your own conclusions as to why nothing changed, but it really does not take a lot of brainpower to work it out.

avishai. I know many people won't agree with that, it is sad and it's a big part of the whole problem.

Many people with bad attitudes are able to advance themselves within big companies simply because they are "well educated".

A "good education" does not necessarily mean that a person has integrity, fairness of mind and good moral sense.

It seems to me that in many cases it means just the opposite, because in order to attain a "good education" some people are willing to sacrifice their morality and integrity, and they become totally ruthless in the pursuit of their academic ambitions.

Whist academic qualifications are important, I strongly believe that many companies place too much emphasis on the academic achievements of their potential employees.

I believe that companies should adopt a more rounded approach and look at the experience, character and integrity of their potential employees rather than simply focusing on their academic qualifications.

......My mother told me a long time ago that if the shoe fits wear it!

now david , does it fit? if not then get over it.......

only racist know "best" their kind... if people happens to be keen to pin point one, aren't they thinking that the other fingers are pointing back (at them) not just one...

why just people let live their lives, isn't it hard enough we're living away from home for most of us? why some people really made a life out of seeing dirt of others...

this mentality often made the wars we even afraid to happen.

^_^ IMHO

and thanks for explaining...

But what pains th emost is that we were more than willing to understand each other...

why not the others..

why do people have to go mad on each other...

arent there enough people dying already...

hatred/vengence is buried inevery ones heart and mind...

true ex-expat, only some won't agree to that and that's sad 'coz even how high one's education if attitude sucks then god help them, but i think they'll only end up being losers in work or in life...

^_^

avishai. Given the choice and based on my own experience, I would always prefer to work with, and for, people with practical experience rather than those with a "higher level of education".

If you give a real life problem to a person with a "higher level of education" who is lacking in practical experience and ask them to find a solution to it, the chances are that they will not be capable of doing it.

Give the same problem to a person with practical experience and they will find at least one solution to the problem very quickly.

Such is life...

I'am guessing that you are looking for a shared accomodation.If thats not the case,your budget is not more than 4000 QR. Otherwise you would have found a place for yourself. Starting 6500 QR is what you need to spend in Qatar to find a decent house for yourself ( Semi/Unfurnished )

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

thanks ex-expat...

"Mafia" is interesting...hope this stops...

Alexa....

I am indian (pure)...lol...but i do not have an attitude where i would like to judge people on their race...

any one who works hard...is th eperson i would want to employee under me...

i m sure you have the same attitude....

But amongst us their will be some who were born with a wierd mentallity.

What say ???

Paddy & Murphy are working on a building site. Paddy

says to Murphy

'I'm gonna have the day off, I'm gonna pretend I’m mad!'

He climbs up the rafters, hangs upside down & shouts

'I'M A LIGHTBULB! I'M A LIGHTBULB!'

Murphy watches in amazement!

The Foreman shouts

'Paddy you're mad, go home'

So he leaves the site.

Murphy starts packing his kit up to leave as well.

'Where the hell are you going?' asks the Foreman.

'I can’t work in the friggin dark! ‘Says Murphy.

lol owen... (commenting on the pig thing)

ex-expat, emotions? i guess some people do post first before even checking it, but again you're right we should take it objectively even one lacks a so called "higher level of education". (lol on that higher level thing and not the objective, ei)

^_^

how ridiculous

A Muslim was sitting next to Paddy on a plane.

Paddy ordered a whiskey.

The stewardess asked the Muslim if he'd like a drink.

He replied in disgust 'I'd rather be raped by a

dozen wh**es than let liquor touch my lips!'

Paddy handed his drink back & said

'Me too, I didn't know we had a choice!'

you were born an original, dont die a copy...

similarly - inds are sentimental - 1% senti & 99% mental.

lol.. reminds me of the classic line from a FILIPINO flick.. "my brother is not a pig!".. trying to break some ice here... too serious to comment on as i see/read that no matter people will justify, the author seems fixed to the idea that WE are racist, so let him be.. :P

[img_assist|nid=12867|link=none|align=left|width=|height=0]Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood.

im 98%beautiful and 2% carzy or is it the other way round

As I said previously, I do not agree with all of David's points and I do not agree with the way he put his points across.

But there is no doubt that some of his points are valid, and these issues are very well known to long term expats of every race here.

For me, it's a good thing that these points are out in the open and are being discussed on this forum.

But it would be better if we can keep our emotions out of the discussion and view the situation objectively.

I know this is difficult because it's a very emotive subject, but we should try to do it nevertheless.

Remember 'Sticks and stones' etc?

will ever stop?

"I do live by the motto that pessimists are usually right, but all the great change in history was done by optimists" -Thomas Friedman

pig - pretty indian girl's good abbreviation, but i dont think that indian girls are much prettier....!

yes i agree with you, indian and filipino happily adjust in the sharing accomodation, and they food they cook or eat, ooohhh!!!!!! the neighbours get sticky smell of that..

hmm.. Maybe thats his point :)

bricks and stones may break my bone but words can not hurt me!!!!! wat do u mean im fat:’(

there is also some people who post for rent just for western people but we can see that indian and filipino make it more and more may be because they like shairing accomodation or may be other nationality can not support the smell of food they cook it s depend but i am agree with you 70 per cent excuse my english i am beginner in that language

who calls name to indians and filipinos?

true to cause, silly on words...

if anyone wants changes, live by example and don't let your own words mess you up, seeing others racism but encouraging their own, david, calling indians and filipinos pigs makes you no better than the very same people you insult. If this is what "higher level of education" brings about, better keep it to yourselves for atleast ours teaches us to be decent towards people in general that we've come across with.

maybe you're just pissed 'coz somebody else took the opportunity in which you think you deserved, but by reading your post made me think that it's much better you don't just for everybody's sake.

you got the point, but what's the insult for? making us agree to your POV, isn't it the way of the mafias?

it seems like you're being the same people you criticized...

^_^ IMHO

cool down guys....i am here to make you happy again

after calling FILIPINOS & INDIANS PIGS...who's being a racist here, calling people names...I don't think so.

You said - so we cant shut david up but find a solution to end this for mutual benefit.

The solution is simple:

1. Find David a Job

2. Find classifieds for David saying - Westerners/White/Blue Eyes etc.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

1. CVs CANNOT be 'sabotaged' for all positions. Most of the times it can NEVER be 'sabotaged'. The reason is simple,it passes through different hands and the penalty for fudging CVs can be disastrous for the person doing it. Nationality is not an issue here. The issue is something called 'COMPETENCY'. It's my observation that the 'quality' of people from India in terms of 'COMPETENCY' is much higher than from other nationalities. Look at the large number of Indians in good jobs to understand my point.They are more 'EMPLOYABLE' in higher positions than most of us. Secondly,India has a huge 'PROFESSIONAL' workforce and hence they are tough competition to others. Sabotaging CVs might be a secluded event.It's not rampant and definately not a norm anywhere.

2. The choice of words to be used in the ads is "INTELLIGENT' to say the least. Why put a general ad anywhere when you know for sure that you plan to interact with a specific group. For Ex.,If I lost a dog,I would specifiy that in the 'Missing' section and say that I lost a dog which is a dalmatian etc.etc.

Similarly,I dont see anything wrong in anybody desiring to share a flat/villa etc with specific kinds of people with similar culture,tradition etc.

3.Racism does not constitute anything mentioned in the OP.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

tnx dat obama wins d election. finally dis racist mind of david will not spread here in ql, hahaha. just clean ur own backyard dude....^^

David Banner calling others PIG really hurt my feelings even I am not Indian nor Philipino. But sure he should have not used such words.

I do agree with certain points David and others raised. I personally had experienced and listened from my fellow friends and relatives most of the points raised in this forum. Some of the points that are true from my knowledge/erperience are:

1- Its very much true that in most Oil and Gas companies so called mafia exist and on so many occations they got caught and action was taken but still its thriving. Sure it doesnot come in newspapers but its very true. If you have anyone working there sure you can ask them.

2- CV are sabotaged in so many organization and every one know's that. So many times the reason behind that is not that management want to cut cost or want to hire cheap labour but infact its those narrow minded people in the society like in all societies who are very racist.

3- I wanted to tell my own experience also. I dont want to name the person or the company but just coz of racism someone (person Y) in a reputed organization was not allowing me to reach there higher management (person X). I called tens of times and left messages and dropped notes but was unable to meet the person X who I had commited to deliver some information. I started visiting the office to reach person X but I use to get replies that X person is in meeting, out of country and out of office blablabla. By chance once I went and that paticular person Y (racist) was out and I went straight to person X and explained him that I tried to reach you from more then 2 months and he got shocked. He said I never got your msgs and never got any notes. He called person Y immediately and asked the reason but he had no explaination. Person X appologized instead of person Y and even me I felt really upset for the bahaviour of person Y. Good that this person X was nice enough not to fire person Y. I got so upset I avoided going there. Some narrow minded people still believe and practice racism.

I appologize if my post hearts any QLers but I do believe facts should not be hidden. The only thing I believe is to be positive and be careful in our daily life.

Peace.

i am working as a recruitment consultant here. i have clients who prefer european candidates for pa or exec secretary posts. their budget? 10-K; the salary expectation of european candidates with 3-5 years exp? 20K. hahahhaha...i told my clients to wake up. they could never hire europeans with their allocated budget. so please david, before you go ranting and raving, please know all the facts first. "indian/ filipino" mafia is not necessarily the reason why companies hire certain nationalities. and ow, for the past 1 year that i'm working in recruitment, i haven't seen or heard that so-called mafia. if it's true, then this is just what i want to say to them:' take me to qp pls.! lol.

Arien. I'm not sure if your comment was directed at me or not, but I'll assume that it was and answer accordingly.

If they were smarter than me then they could advance themselves simply by doing a better job than me, with absolutely no need to resort to the tactics described.

The fact is that I got my job on merit alone, and not with the help of any contact within the company.

I applied my knowledge and experience to the job in hand, and in doing so, I embarrassed these guys and exposed them for the frauds that they were.

If you think it's smart to obtain a job by deception, and to keep that job by maintaining the deception, then don't expect any respect from me.

look whose talking, AMERICAN,huh.........!!!!!!!!!

The same people who call N, NIGER, Black Boy, to there own Fellow AMERICANS,

GO ON BANNER OR WANNER whoever u are.

GO HOME and CRY TO UR DAD, OH Sorry, if i am not wrong, in your country ur mom might not know who was or is ur DAD.

Good Lord Jesus, have mercy on his soul.........

Saala Gandu, zyada ungli kiya na,

kopche mein leke de daalunga kharcha paaani.

I don't believe in vengeance...but i do believe in "karma". I think I do have your CV...let me check my INBOX...

I have American friends in and outside QL and you're DEFO giving them a bad name.

David,

Well i know there is some racism around but you have to take into consideration the reasons which lead them to do so including the inferiority of their existance, the cruel behavior of others towards them and their weak post.

besides talking bout accomodation, its a matter of traditions, cultures and lifestyle..i dont think i cant smell curry all day or eat hamburger at morning.so i would refuse livin with them even if they accept....

Racism is every wer buddy, even in Great USA....

so just try to live in peace the most you could, we create our own world...

Gd luck !

Before the 'PC' mob jump on me, I should explain that I have met good (and not so good) people of all races and cultures in Qatar.

I have not allowed my experiences to cloud my judgement or prejudice me against any particular group of people.

But the fact is that the situation I and others have described does exist here, and has existed for many years.

Get ur facts right...

""...westerners hold the top positions at most companies isn't it obvious why? Obviously Indians and Filipinos are not capable of performing such task..."

Do u think the above said is true?

U say that only pigs go for revenge.And what r u doing now?Don't u think u r trying to do the same by spreading a negative cticism (which is not true actually).

Middle east is a place where everybody comes here for money.And there are a lot of factors which decides the best suited nationality for a particular post.As many rightly pointed out the main factor is "cost" and the "skill".

U sound like a landlord(who is not able to cope up with the current scenario) who has lost all his wealth..Nothing left with him .All that he can do is crib and be 'J" of people who have a better life now (who were working for him before)...Chill out..It happens in life....

Godsgrace. Being an Indian 'per se' will not necessarily get you a job. It will depend on where in India you are from, and in you making the 'right' contact within any given company.

Having secured a job in this way, you may be expected to pay a monthly 'fee' to the contact who secured the job for you.

He will then act as your 'protector' and he will ensure that your lack of knowledge, experience and general unsuitability for the job given to you will remain safely 'hidden' from the company.

Please understand, I am not suggesting that you personally lack knowledge or experience, I am simply explaining how the 'Mafia' operate.

"...westerners hold the top positions at most companies isn't it obvious why? Obviously Indians and Filipinos are not capable of performing such task..."

Mr.Banner, you seem to be quite unaware of 'who is who' in some of the biggest companies in the world. and why do companies from your part of the world queue up for recruitment in the IIM's and ISB's? Oh yeah they just want to help us poor savages to make a living, right!!Shall i suggest you do some research on that before coming up with such a blanket statement. In my humble opinion, this is THE most racist statement I have heard in this thread!

About CV's being blocked, I do agree with you that it is a despicable act if it indeed happens. But lets look at an alternate scenario.

You are the HR/recruitment guy in a company. You are allowed a budget of QR 10k/month for hiring someone for a midlevel position. It is quite evident that you are not gonna get a westerner to work for that much salary. So what do you do? You scan through the CV's looking for someone from the subcontinent and then make up a shortlist. Rocket science?

Somewhere along the line, you have allowed someone to make you feel like a loser.and what do you do? You look for someone to blame. "I/my people am not getting this coz of him/her/them" What you need to know that anywhere in the world you'll find groups/cliques of people who WILL beat you down to your knees and keep you there if they can. You fight if its worth it, you leave if its not!!! But what you dont do is go around like a crybaby. It makes you even more lost.

maybe I have read you wrong, but You do really sound like someone who believes in all that 'racial superiority' stuff. No comments on that.

sorry to hear that you got screwd bro.. they could because they are smarter , are'nt they??

come on guys grow up.. stop cribbing...lol

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Listen to Many..Speak to a few.

mr.david, I noticed you've been a member for more than 1 year now and probably you been coming & going to QL most of the time. Why picked-up this topic just recently?

"I do live by the motto that pessimists are usually right, but all the great change in history was done by optimists" -Thomas Friedman

sounds funny...

but if their is some thing like a mafia goin on in the major companies then IT IS is really sad....

but does that mean being an indian i can expect a Job in these major companies..

i doubt...

as i always say...

wrong people at the wrong place....they dont look for caliber...they look for someone whom they can dominate over...saddddddd

David Banner may not have phrased his argument very diplomatically, and he won't get any converts to his cause by insulting people, but he is correct nevertheless.

I'm going to quote Alexa's post:

"Ok..let me ask you all this...have any of you worked in an equal opportunity(meaning ALL people get the same pay, no matter what nationality they are)company?

Let me tell you what happens...let us say, a Westerner has a superior from the sub continent, and he has colleagues who 'incidentally" come from the same place...what happens is this...this Westerners life at work is made very difficult....for different reasons...a. the others have not much of an idea what they are doing, when the Westerner tries to help out, he is regarded as"disturbing, know it all, arrogant.

b. they want him out, so they can give his job to a compatriot, who is not intent on doing what needs to be done, as he, also , has no clue.

c. They are peeved, because at a certain point the Westerner has had it, and goes to the big boss, because he actually is getting in trouble because the work does not get done.

d. sh i t hits the fan, because the big boss is also a 'compatriot

e. the Westerner quits, gets another job,one without "compatriots"....

Oh...and all the compatriots have resumees full of titles etc......lol"

Alexa's absolutely right, and I know this because I had two years of similar experience working for one of the major oil & gas companies here.

What she did not mention is that while these guys obstruct, distract and generally try to screw you at every opportunity, they also try to pick your brains for any information they may be able to use in the future!

My misfortune was at the hands of the 'Indian Mafia', which is very real and is well known to all who have ever worked in one of the major oil & gas operators here.

I cannot speak of other races who may be involved in similar activities.

David banner, I complained about the same thing a few months ago lol. But look at the other side of the story, u dont want someone cleaner or dirtier than u living in ur house right? lol.

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Lebanon... the love of my soul!

Rather than being a racist its just covetousness !!!

Its simple. you are facing the usual issues a minority will be facing in any society.

YOu wana enjoy curry smell??, live wher there are some indians, BUt i think they cant stand the smell of melted cheese and meet cooked bland , they stinks to them...

My friend, end of the day its the employer to decide, and they still prefers Indians and philippinos for many reasons.

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Listen to Many..Speak to a few.

David and all the others....

Kinldy read my first note...

we are blaming different nationalities...why ????

I m sure we all are intellegent....but agressive...

and if you're intelligent DAVID BANNER you won't be resorting to this bashing of certain nationalities just because you read a lot of ads WE FILIPINOS post here, so WTF?!!! your comment just shows how a RACIST PIG you are not us filipinos or indians. we came here to work so that our families can have something to eat on their table. don't even get so smart about the GNP or whatever statistic you have in mind. if the ads you read everyday of your sorry life affects you but doesn't necessarily KILL you, then as the brits say BUGGER OFF MATE! or else go back to your shithole of country wherever that is and stay there, if you can't stomach living with other nationalities don't bother going overseas and work. you're one sick !@#$@#%$^@#^#$!!!!!

=Dura Lex Sed Lex=

if calling us pigs is your idea of a civilised and intelligent conversation, then you're better off talking to yourself... this has gone too far. bottomline, it's their ad, so they can put in there whatever they desire. i also see ads in the newspapers that says "Westerners" only, but do we give a sh*t? figure it out!

Sure its """Payback time""" no matter what you think.

All you so called "intelligent westerners" why don't you go back to your respective advanced countries full of "intelligent" people and try to work there? Maybe you have been discriminated against by your own countrymen for being "stupid" and a "pig", spoiling their turf there.

We Asians are here just for the money.

Are you here for something else that you don't get in your country? Maybe the sand??!!

I have been to many western countries and have seen their level of "English" and education. Couldn't help from classifying them "uneducated".

So David don't be under the impression that only you western guys are educated and the others are imbeciles.

We Asians call a spade a spade, but you guys make mountains out of molehills and fleece the Arabs here.

So stop bickering and go to work and never try to raise this stupid racism issue again.

Why don't you try to pray to God. Maybe you are a Christian,why don't you read the bible? Maybe you could find some solace and directions to deal with such situations?

The mere fact that I was born black in canada qualified me to be discriminated against. Since I have endured this type of behavior since birth I know quite well how you feel. You seem to want sympathy and QL to take on this issue. Let me ask you! what have you done in the past and now in your own country to prevent racism? By the way have you seen how many indians, philipinos, other asians in your own country are out of a job? And by any chance have you notice that there is a particular race in north america and the western society that dominate just about all the skilled, tech, bussiness type job? I guess you might not have noticed it, given your complaint, now you should take notice!

Good Luck with that

I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.

david..i agree that in order to have an intelligent conversation,intelligent people should be there first...about the westerners helping us get jobs, well, isn't it because of profit?think about it man..if you hire all westerners for a certain company..how much your overhead cost will be..your company will not be profitable to run then..they build their companies here because of cheap raw mat and cheap labor cost..about brit or american sabotaging CV's..well i don't know..it maybe happening who knows.....

Here is my point, Instead of just admitting we have a valid issue, some people here are just trying to justify their behavior. And yes you are correct speed, originally I had tried to have an intelligent conversation, but obviously, intelligent people have to be involved! To say that westerns are receiving payback for years of oppression is a racist statement in itself. It also makes me angry that very few people get the point I am trying to get across. Regardless of why people think Indians dominate a particular job set, its still not right. If I were do something wrong and not get caught, doest that make it correct? And personally I have no problems with any nationalities, but I do have an issue with blatant stupidity. Its almost as if no one wants to even try to understand my valid points. And yes, I stand behind my pig statements. Only a pig would destroy another persons chance at survival. Only a pig would seek revenge on an entire group of people "westerners" And for those of you who say that westerners hold the top positions at most companies isn't it obvious why? Obviously Indians and Filipinos are not capable of performing such task because they have a tendency to be quite vindictive as seen her by my thread. Furthermore, even though westerns hold the top positions, we still help and allow other nationalities to apply and to prosper at their jobs. Have you ever in your years in Qatar heard of a Brit or American sabotaging C.Vs?

David or any other expats won;t take a 5000riyals (incl. housing and transportation allowance)salary for a certain position. Some receives lower than that...

Nor would David or any expat would rent a bedspace and share a room with 3 or 5 other people? I guess not. Share a bathroom and kitchen with 2 or 3 other families? I don't think so.

Most of the westerners recieves (let's say)a minimum 18,000 - 20,000 riyals.

Nepotism? Did someone told me some time ago that here in Qatar, you get paid by the following category:

- your passport

- color of your skin

- education attainment.

I once knew a lady (she's a westerner) who was only a high school graduate back in her country, worked for a kess than 6 months in one of the hotels here in Doha. She got this job as an assistant instructor, was promoted within 6 months and before we knew it, she's the head of the department...all in less than 1 year.

I myself got passed up in several jobs (before I landed my current one) coz I'm not a westerner. The only thing that helped me, is that i got expat friends who did extended their effort to help me out...

explain..vegas

Plus most the lodging is abedspace with another filipino

Get a freaking clue man...

You can't teach experience...

Well i thankyou Mam...for appreciating ...

but i really do not like the grown ups behaving as such...

some get hurt and pour their anger on others...and the others top it up with more crap...

every ones ready to pour oil in the fire....

some one needs to estinguish...

shit happens every where...

But its never the nationality...its the man within us whos sick...

David i understand what u mean..

May b u wouldnt liek me bcoz i m an indian ..trust me its just a matter of fact that i was born in india...

born to an american or british would only change my nationality.. not the way i think...

if some one thinks cheap..he will ..no matter what and who he is...

Similarly there are good people of every nationality,,,

Go have a look at the Emergency ward in our only great hamad hospital...u find our fellow pinoys saving lives ...they do not care if u r an indian ..american or a brit...

and i have one thing to say to all the other poeple who had replied to davids experience ...

Grow up...

this guy is hurt...understand him...understand his reaction...

he been through shit ...listen to him...try explaining...

i m sure he will understand...

we are all humans....We all are one race....human...

lets not divide each other ...

plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

forgive me guys if i said something wrong...

This thread has a partial truth but we cannot generalize. Besides, the same can be projected on other nationalities.

This area is known with what we call "channels". We have Indian , Philipino, Pakistani, Lebanese, Jordanian, Palestian, Egyptian, British,...etc channels.

To me. I measure the proficiency of any firm and hence its management with the diversity on employees' nationality. So guys look around and judge the quality

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for our Indians and Filipions friends...

In one of your above comments you are saying :

"This forum is meant for everyone to voice their opinion in a polite and civilized manner"

......

This is what you call it a 'Polite' and a 'Civilized' manner ?

In this part of the world calling someone a 'Pig' is very offensive ...

I think you must apologize to these people and then think of talking in Polite and Civilized manner.

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potion - position ;-) which has been corrected ...

I do agree with you and no one can deny the facts.

Yes We should raise our voice against racism here but in a 'Polite' and 'Civilized' manner :-D

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I hope you enjoyed "revolutionary road"

...sorry for hijacking the thread

As i explained in the vanished thread, this has nothing to do with nationality and more to do with the amount of work done.IT professionals from the west, usually don't accept to be the system administrator, software developer & network analyst at the same time. In government corporations where most of the projects are outsourced (and very few are done in-house), it is expected that IT professional to be incharge of all IT related work (Administrator, industrial & engineering).

I kind of agree with you though, when it comes to the sub -continent. As we have to shuffle through 100's of applicants(online or through HR) with very limited candidate from else where.

I might be off the mark in certain cases, but as a fellow educator, and working at a school where I see the level and mind-set of some of the top western management, who are employed to 'bring the locals out of the stone-age' it amazes me that they are paid the salaries that they are getting!

Most of the ideas and practices are so impractical and unrealistic, yet they are seen as the 'educated' ones with all the experience that others don't possess. I once heard a comment made in a staff-room, which comes to mind right now... That most western expats are here for three reasons, 1 - the money, 2 - because they really want to experience something different, and 3 - because they weren't good enough to hack it back in their home countries!

My problem is not with western expats, but with the system that idolizes individuals coming from western nations that are the most without a doubt the birthplaces for immorality and ignorance!

Go to England, and try to find someone who can really speak proper english... go to the US and i'm sure it will be hard to find someone who doesn't think that he's on a trip to save the world... That goes for many other countries that are supposedly so better educated than the rest.

The topic started with one David pointing out that he was sick of the Nationalism that happens here in the ME. however... the west is no better.... what gets me is that idiots running the places always believe that some person with an colonialist accent, deserves a higher salary!

I have to twist my words... It is racism ... but in this part of the world it is not considered as racism...

why ? Because here Companies wanted to cut down their recruitment costs....

I have a friend in Canada who applied for the Middle Management job in my Company.... our Management put down his CV saying that they have another candidate who is from Asia, we better recruit him because we will not have to pay his QR.6,000/- for his annual ticket and other expenses such as cost of living of US/ European is much higher then any South Asian Country....

This is a trend here and in GCC... even almost most of the US & European Companies does the same here!

PM .... I think people are more upset because of his comments here ...

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sector .... most top positions are US or European(after Qataris)... followed by other nationalities..

Yes Indian and filipions are in majority but most of them in middle and low class jobs... Is he willing to do such jobs ?

I don't say that he is 100% wrong, I do support some of his point upto some extend ... but this racism is in every Nationality when it comes to employ someone from your own Country !!

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I do wanna make out some points here:

1. Did you not asked for my help (once a long time ago) on how you could have your CV pushed to QP. Didn't I tried helping you out? I'm a Filipina and I never batted an eyelash to hint across your way whom to approach? Is that being a "racist" to you?

2. Indians (and Filipinos) destroying CV's of nationalities other than our own is HURTFUL. i don't know if there is any truth to that but I do handle incoming CV's in my past and current job and I would never did i do such a thing as I believe in EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Bad thing I get is that the people I help land a job would be after my job or wants to kick my butt out of the company...

3A. Indians and Filipinos choosing their own people/nationality is not mainly because we/they refuse to co-habit with other nationalities. It's a matter of getting an nice accommodation for a fraction of the rent that's why they co-habit. I did live with a malaysian family before and they were nice, but i can't eat their food (too spicy) nor U can't cook what I want coz they might not like it. Living together is like trying to survive in Qatar.

3B. If you PEOPLE get IRKED with the Filipinos talking in their/our mother tongue, IGNORE it...coz they/we are doing it in the group forum. You're the one going in their turf, they're not even messing in the general forum. This is one of the reasons the WEBSITE ADMINS and Qatari/Ahmad allowed it coz it's healthy for the site and conducive to the Filipino Community here in Qatar. WE ARE NOT STEPPING ON ANYONE'S TOES with OUR TAGALOG/FILIPINO topics...so WHY GET PISSED OFF??? (that's redunculously stupid remarks do irk me)

WHAT IS YOUR POINT, DAVID BANNER?

That you haven't landed a job because of US (Filipinos and Indians)? Is this a GENERALIZATION ON YOUR PART???

I hope it's not so, coz unless you can back it up with VALID/SOLID PROOF...Please note, that we are paid much less than the other expats...but we work for that shitpay fair and square.

WE CAN SEE CLEARLY IN THE STATES ETHNIC GROUPS ...CHINESE, HISPANICS, ITALIANS , ETC ..WHO EVEN HAVE THEIR OWN AREAS , TOWNS , ETC, AND THEY HELP AND ACCEPT EACHOTHERS .WHY TO CALL "RACISM" A GROUP THAT WANTS TO SPEAK THEIR OWN LANGUAGE AMONG THEN AND ENJOY THEIR COMPANY IN A FOREING COUNTRY? IF U WANT TO SHARE AN APARMENT WITH A INDIAN OR FILIPINO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS POST AN AD AND ASK, BUT TO FEEL EXCLUDED IS JUST A PERSONAL THING FRON YOUR SIDE. HOPE YOU JUST NOT LOAD IT WITH WORK AND TIRED OF THE COUNTRY THAT MAKE U SEE THINGS SO DARK.

REGARDS,

AT.

I don't see many of you complaining about how racist the salary scales are here in the middle east!

It is a shame that someone who works just as hard as he next person or even harder, is paid a fraction of the salary of someone else just because they come from a certain country or is of a certain nationality! I have seen way too many westerners being paid enormous salaries purely because they hold a british, american, south african, etc. passport.... however when it comes to performance, then they do not compare others who are paid much less.

if the topic here is about racism and nationalism, then one should look at the system before attacking individuals or communities.

yeah speed exactlly ..........the problem is that david cant get that peice of paper and that flustration her removes on indians and filipinos.

the world it is not racism ..... because this is how the system works here ... there is not EEO "Equal Employment Opportunity' system here ... Even many Western Companies are forced to follow the same here ...

One should understand the culture of the Country... take it or leave it...

My father spend 35yrs in UAE at his retirement from the Company he was given his End Of Service Benifits cheque and 'Ma'Salaama' means 'Good Bye' :-) that time he realized that he was working in UAE on a piece of paper ... that what we call it 'Residence Permit' once canceled ... everything is gone !!

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filipino mafia, CVs are not printed by Hiring Managers

We use Taleo, though all Seniors have attended training

they dont have time to access candidates profiles, again

they rely on HR

just leave it, this will soon die down,.. remember, someone here called us "uneducated bunch" and all other terms for no reason at all before, if u can recall what i was talking about... like you said, nothing new...

Sukat bombil...LOL

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

bombil......lolz

What an innocent fellow David is!!!! I would like to take my words back. Ohh I must be a ruthless PIG...How could I hurt such a noble person? Jobless, homeless...Ohh my heart goes for him...LOL

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

I can vacate entire neighbourhood.And my kids never want to come back. 5yrs now I have never tried again

Speed, May be he is not able to find the difference between Indians, Pakistanis, Srilankans and Bangladeshis and all other People from the Sub Continent.That doesn't mean that you are spared. He is calling all of us PIG.

The thing really pissing me off , again and again he is saying that he wants an intelligent discussion...So with whom? With us PIGs? Give us break....

Get life David....

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

work your a$$ off and prove to the management that you deserve the highest position in your company instead of complaining about other people... INSECURITY will not get you promoted at work!

you are sick finding ads regarding accommodation "for Filipinos only"?

are you really serious? does that mean you want to share accommodations with Filipinos? if you are, then i invite your family to share with me... BUT, dont complain if everyday you will smell the dried fish, dried squid, fried fish i always fry... coz that's my favorite dish... take note too that every night, i sing my heart out with videoke just to have voice exercise... and hey! my Filipino friends are always in my accommodation to party all night :D))

*sigh... same same old topic, why some people always associate it with racism :(

is every individual's choice .... some people like to share with Gays !!

I can dig several ads like yours ....

I am only surprised on his approach ...one side he wants people to be polite and civilized and other side he himself is rude in his comments....

how can one expect sensible 'Adult' discussions here when he started his discussion with racism, criticism and hateful way...

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but in his post he is calling ALL the Indians and Filipinos in general 'Pig' and 'Racist"...

We should not generalize...

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david dont say now he is the first european racist.

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Please check the above in classifieds you Bugger, PIG, RACIST...lol

And how dare you are asking for a Non-smoker European/Westerner....Bugger, PIG, RACIST....lol

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

david its simple man............if i own a company its me who decides who should work for me.....if the company dosent have a problem employing indians and filipinos in large numbers. why should you?......not all companys here opt for a diverse enviroment when it comes to hiring people. well for me its they other way round we have like 550+ staff only 7 or 8 indians......i dont know how many more like me.

We eat curries three times a day, our food is deliciously stinky bcos of onions and garlic.Sharing homes with filipinos is like living in fish market

Apart from cookin odours, we are also pacK rats "someday I might need it" encourages us to hoard

david..hope you are true to your words and go to the newspaper to print this comment of yours..i agree with you guys that most of the time some nationalities would prefer to live and work with their fellow countryman..lost CV, haven't heard of that..its rampant here in qatar..but i don't think we'll be able to do something as this company's are profit driven so they'll go for cheap labor and cheap raw material..all of these are in asia..

david, you can also borrow my cricket bat to knock some sense into the idiots.

i have read nearly 50% of the posts but should not continue and post what i'd like to say (as i am using a dialup connex, might get disconnected any sec..hehe)

David: i see where you are coming from and you have made valid points.

sharing your flat is a different thing, like if i have a choice, i will not share my place with someone who cooks pork (but i have done that before). however, people of nationality X do not even make an effort to socialise with people of nationality Y or Z. i personally cannot justify it under the names of nationalism or racism or religion or seeking comfort blah blah. a colleague of mine refused to join another colleague for food without a legitimate reason and it annoyed me. what is there to lose?

before my QL buddies shoot me, let me clarify, i have been in qatar for 4 months now and i have met really nice persian+moroccon+americam+english+qatari+srilankan +indians friends here whom i try to hang out with and invite home for dinner.

david banner.....who are you referring to by 'these people' on QL......Now, I don't know about Indians and CV's but I would say you sound as racist as the people you are calling racist....Pot calling kettle 'n all that......

"Here is the truth.. You guys are nothing but cheap labor. The only reason you people even have a job here is because of the fact that companies need to turn a profit to exist."

That's racism!

It's funny how you see other people opinions as disgusting. Well, you are always free to do it on your "newspaper" thing! probably, you'll be more satisfied in doing so.

By the way, if your sick of filipinos and indians, I guess, you just have to find another country without them or your so called "PIGS". Good Luck!

The "No dogs or Indians ", was actually a sign on the Promenade in Simla I think you will find , at least that is the most commonly reported source .

When people can't win an argument with proper reason they resort to.......abuse and slander!

David...absolutely flippin' right! I work for one of the big oil companies and only receive Indian CV's even though I know of people from other nations applying. When I query this I'm always told that these are the only applications and when I reject them, based on qualifications, I get nothing but grief from the Indians in HR and at the office. I also get CV's appearing on my desk from Indian employees without going through the system at all. The term "Indian Mafia" isn't in place here without good reason. It absolutely makes me ill!

Save the bashing folks, it's a fact of life here.

David BANTER!

I find it absolutely disgusting that we even allow these people on Qatar Living. And I agree with the individual who commented about posting threads in their mother language. Isn't that what PM's are for? One day Qatar will awaken from its slumber and realize how certain Indian nationals are destroying the very moral fabric and integrity of the recruitment process.

Wow, to my friend Haddoc,

I think you are the most disgusting individual on the face of the earth. You are exactly what is wrong with society today. I would respect you more if u would just be honest about the situation. Instead you choose to be an ignoramus with only the most ubsurd things to say. Just so My fellow QL'ers know I plan to bring this story to the local newspaper. I was trying to keep this civil but I see that type of treatment only works for people like Brit, Meaningful and Alexa who are willing to be honest about the situation. You guys really make me sick. You try to justify your racism by saying you work hard? Here is the truth.. You guys are nothing but cheap labor. The only reason you people even have a job here is because of the fact that companies need to turn a profit to exist. Thank you for your help cuteydog. Haddoc, how dare you criticize the British for trying to bring order to a country of savages. Yes it is true that the British were guilty of some injustices . However, the British essentially civilized India and you should be grateful.

LOL Alexa....had happen same to my friend..early morning onion curry smell yukkkkkkkkkk

DONT LET YESTERDAYS DISAPOINTMENTS OVERSHADOW 2MOROWS DREAMS!

I will stick my oar in on this and say that whenever you go abroad, people will always try and find out other people of their own nationalities. David I understand what u're saying but look at it this way - in terms of jobs, I don't think it's got much to do with living standards back home (I;m western and I have a lame salary so I don't think it's got much to do with nationality - but hey why should I complain? Back home in England right now, there aren't too many worthwhile jobs going)

I have a slight issue with what you're saying about the living standards issue - pardon me but we arent in our native countries when we are in Qatar. Living standards here are different. Different people may have different expectations, but from the perspective of an Indian or a Fillipino what they earn here is going to be much better than what they get at home (and think about it, tax free income is going to sound pretty tempting to Westerners like u and me)

Also I was wandering, maybe when these people advertise for same nationality in their accommodation - don't u think it's a matter of comfort? Supposing they wish to share accommodation with people of the same nationality who they know would understand them and understand their habits? Surely even u, in all u're educatedness and worldliness, would understand that when it comes around to personal space, people get enourmously finikity??????

oooohhhh david banner, do you have a special deal with your Indian tailor, you must get thru lots of shirts.......

david banner, you sound like the incredible sulk.

i think it's fine that ppl post they prefer to live with certain nationalities. it's not racist, it purely comes down to comfort levels.

as for employers, sometimes it comes down to cost however i'm not denying racism doesn't exist. but i'm here for a good time not a long time, so that's why i just grin and bear it.

* sighs* FFS Jewel...don't quote shyty quotes like birds of a feather 'flock' together...read my feckin post correctly, I did indeed say that westerners stick together or flock together or whatever........

David, no matter how or what you say or explain to them they will always be against ur opinion bcz the quatnity of indians in Qatar are more than Qataries and offcourse they always dont want to be told the truth, it is true about destroying the CV of other nationalities, I terminate my indian secretary for the same reason. but unfortunately ur country in near future will be full of indians, my friend works at the Airport told me ,Qatar Airways daily flt to IAD and JFK is 90% of passengers are Indians lol...

for the accomodation thing i dont have anything against it as we all love to live with someone who we get allong , Iam arab no way if i can live with an indian in same apartment, i will get sick. so let the filipinos pick their home people they have the right doing so.

DONT LET YESTERDAYS DISAPOINTMENTS OVERSHADOW 2MOROWS DREAMS!

"pay back time" ? - omg., what has happened to the world?!

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call me ONE.

Yeah, Mandi, and my dad's bigger than your dad .... ;o)

Did you Google it first?

haddoc, the "they did it to us so we can do it to them" argument is not particularly helpful. It has been the impetus for many wars.

Mandi

besone - do you know that only fools generalise??

Guys its the employer who is stupid if he pays one nationality double the pay for the same job, instead of getting another one from the lower paid country.

The post is crap , its just jealousy, people would prefer to live within their own nationals because of various reasons, culture, cuisine, language...etc

Other points he mentioned, when you live at a place where you are a minority this happens, its obvious. There cant be more Italian restaurants than indian in DOha, thats purely depending on the number of people from those countries live here, none can help it, so no use on crying on it too..

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Listen to Many..Speak to a few.

i thought this was a joke., i was waitin for LOL's to pop out., guess it's not.,

Filipinos & Indians - racists? Is this the latest thing this 2009?

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call me ONE.

Jewel I will address you first since u seem to have failed to completely grasped the concept. I’m not complaining Jewel. I’m voicing my opinion and trying to have an intelligent conversation. I’m not sure what part of that u fail to understand. I’m discussing the issue with hopes of finding a plausible solution. Amoud, After further thought I have concluded that you are correct about the accommodations.

This was precisely how the colored races felt when they were ruled by the whites in the nineteenth and twentieth century. We in India had suffered a lot under the British rule. The Taj hotel at Mumbai was built by an Indian because the Brits did not allow "Indians and Dogs" into clubs!!!!

How have the African-American community suffered under the white rule in US? How did the colored people suffer under Apartheid in South Africa? Gandhiji was thrown out of the first class compartment of a train despite having a proper ticket in South Africa and left that place to fight the white supremacy and succeeded.

So if you are really that frustrated please form a movement against your so called racism.

It was the whites who gave us that feeling of racism in the end when they came in the disguise of lambs to trade in India.

Even here cant you see the discrimination against the non-whites. The European/American worker gets paid more than twice as much as an Asian gets for the same job.

I do not endorse racism of any kind but your words made me pen this down.

"Once Bitten Twice Shy" they say.

baldrick, good luck on your vacation. don't forget to try visiting my province of bohol if you have not been there. it's a beautiful and safe province.

Arecel, I would rather crawl on my hands and knees over broken glass than suffer Karaoke ... and yet I'm going to Angeles City in March for my vacation :o)

Did you Google it first?

bensonerafic, perhaps you stumble upon a filipino group in ql hence they are writing in their own language. and sometimes people mistakenly post a story that;s why you sometimes see a post that should not have posted in a particular forum.

lol baldrick! air supply and michael learns to rock are not filipino bands but yes, majority of filipinos love them. i hate them because the music and lyrics are so sappy, hahahhaa... and baldrick, if you don't like karaokes, you will not survive in a filipino hostel even for a sec!

Still waiting for the American CV......

in last 3 year this might be the xx topic regarding racism.

and the topic just reached to 3 pages or 2 with long comments.

same is going to happen to this one. result no one agrees here with any one's suggestions

I agree with you David..... I sick seeing those pinoy writing their comment in their language.....they must have got wrong thinking that this is their country...

I am equally sick with those Indians too. Driving like shit on the read.

Jewel I will address you first since u seem to have failed to completely grasped the concept. I’m not complaining Jewel. I’m voicing my opinion and trying to have an intelligent conversation. I’m not sure what part of that u fail to understand. I’m discussing the issue with hopes of finding a plausible solution. Amoud, After further thought I have concluded that you are correct about the accommodations.

That's why I could never share with an Indian. Whilst I love the food, I detest Cricket with a passion ;o)

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And ... that's why I could never share with an Pinoy. Whilst I love 10 Pin Bowling and Darts, I detest Air Supply and Michael Learns to Rock with a passion ;o)

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Did you Google it first?

Higher Standard of Living ?!

Man u keep saying ur not Racist so wht was tht ?!

Ur saying Except Americans no one has high standards of Living ?! We all drive 10 yr old Bangers and live in small houses with no Internet or Big LCD Tv's...

Please Spare me !! And I seriously dont need for u to explain anything to me.. Once u get ur head out of the clouds im sure u'll c things much clearer !!

Well, I'm American enough to believe that it's not only that Westerners are paid according to our standard of living, I believe that our educational system and work experience is what makes us valuable. But, David, i can't go with your singling out of particular nationalities as "racist." When I purge the last vestige of prejudice from my own psyche I will let you hand me the first stone.

Mandi

There is a Vacancy for Teaboy...you have an American CV?

But the guy should have experience of making all kinds of tea & coffee, take all kinds of copies on the copier, sprial binding, normal binding etc.

Will have to come before everybody & leave after everybody...Salary QR500? will it do?

Indians & Filipinos please dont apply!!!

david, as for nationality preferences in the visas, typically they are approved first by the Immigration. this is the reason why companies hire a specific nationality because that is the only visa approval they got from the government. i really don't know how the government allocates certain visas to certain nationalitlies but that happens here. regarding accommodation issue, it is not meant to be racist at all. its just that people tend to live together with same nationalities because of culture, from dress, to food to how one spent their free time at home. imagine you live in an indian or nepali household, you will not last the whole day smelling the ultra spicy food they prepared! you would be sneezing in no time at all. and for a filipino (like me) to hear the music from non- english/ filipino, either i would be laughing or be pissed off. i'm sure other nationalities would have the same reaction to our filipino music. a home is a refuge from the world, where you can be yourself.

First of all R7,

The reason western expats get paid more….. Goodness people, I love u guys but honestly….. . Here it is R7, Westerns people receive more moneys because we have a higher standard of living. That is to say, Things cost more in the USA than in Kerala. Make sense? We are all paid according to our country of origin. Your countries GNP has a lot to do with what you make here. R7 I apologize for calling you simple but please think before u post something here. If you don’t know something my friend pls ask me and I will gladly assist you. However, your actions should have no bearing on my reactions so I apologize! Bottom line, westerners get paid according to their GNP. An easy way to remember is this… You have two individuals. One is Pinoy and the other is American, They both work hard and have equal education levels. Both individuals are paid 7 thousand riyals a month for example. The Pinoy would be making at least 3X what he would make back home. Thus it is advantageous for him to work here. However, an American making 7 thousand riyals a month would surely starve in the USA. Do we understand now people?

Whoa, Filipinos and Indians must be aware with a certain boss named David Banner, he'll do his justice in time. They see you as "pigs" guys! watch out!

Certain nationalities here are stereotyped for certain work. You would be kidding yourself if you would think that even uneducated westerners would come here to work labour. The country is what it is and it has worked this way for a long time.

In the west, many of our goods are made in India, China, Indonesia.... outsourcing... even technical support for major companies is in India, your good ole American taxes are outsourced to firms in India for a fraction of the price. Why do you think here would be different? If I were a business owner here I would be looking for the cheapest and most reliable employees I could, wouldnt you? Back home is the same also when it comes to hiring, people do kind of "stick together" even in the west.

As for accomodation, I would be picky also. I couldnt share an appartment with someone who cooked certain stuff, which is perhaps native to a certain region. Also, people know the cultural mores and such of their own people and feel more comfy with that. I cant disagree.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Instead of complaining, y dont you analyse and see about who holds the top managerial positions. Indians, Pilipinos, Nepalis , Babgladeshi are never in managers or Generals managers. Why are these given 2nd positons.

Dear Supernurse, not only Indians and Philipinos but even the western community like to stay together. Heard of this Birds of Feather Flock Together.

Yes, be it east or be it west racism is everywhere.

Person should be judged on his behaviour,his manners,his thinking,his education, his capabilities nd not where he hails from.

David, you do realise that they can probably get 3 or 4 Indian logistics guys for the price of one American salary - market forces do come into play too.

Did you Google it first?

Same ol Stuff different day on QL .. Ppl have been discussing the same thing over n over now its just getting Lame !!! Im out of here !!

R7 .. within that there is also the difference in percieved standards of education, and the fact that the middle east IS so racist that they see a 'white' face as having more power, control and respect than a 'brown/yellow' face.

Did you Google it first?

Obviously u have not read the postings or you are to simple to comprehend what I am trying to say. This topic I have started is not about changing anything you simpleton. I’m trying to have an intelligent debate with my fellow Qlers about an issue that is alive and well in Qatar. As far as working their butts off R7.… everyone in Qatar works their butt of my friend. And lets just say that you are 100 percent correct. For the sake of Qatar Living I will agree with you and say that you are 100 percent correct. Does that make it right what these people are doing? Just because you work hard you have the right to sabotage others chance of employment? Is this what you are telling me? Please clarify yourself. Perhaps it would be in your best interest to look over the material before u comment sir.

I really giv u 10 points for your comment. A thief never admits he is a thief. who knows what the commentor of racism is in real life.

Keep it up Emron

david banner ...maybe all the fellow Americans, Europeans & Australians...prefer to share their villas with Indians & Filipinos....thats why so many advertisments !!!!

WHat about all the COmpanys who Preffer only Westerners ?! Wht do u say to tht ?!

Do u know that in a certain company here They pay A South African national 10,000 QR more than Indian guy in the same post only bcoz of his Nationality...

So it Exists with all races n nationalities.. I guess its just the way certain individuals think..

positive thing you can do is lead by example.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

in a newspaper article (re indian singles at the souk) was entertained for many hours by the friendly neighbourhood cops. Speak out if you like but as you are not a citizen it will make bugger all difference.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Your stupidity amazes me. You are obviously uneducated and arrogant! This forum is meant for everyone to voice their opinion in a polite and civilized manner. I fail to see the correlation between me going back home and the problems that have recently surfaced here in Qatar. Please do me a favor, think before u type something on these forums. Its only polite that u police your thoughts and comments. Obviously my posting a commentary in reference to a problem will not solve the issue, but It might enable some of us to become more self aware of the situation. Please think before u speak my friend. However, I thank you for taking the time to respond.

Aaactually,,,,,, I just had a first meeting with a local a couple of weeks back then again a couple of days ago who has actually told his agent that he is not prepared to meet with anyone other than a westerner. First time I ever came across that.

I think you'll be fighting a losing battle........who exactly will spearhead the campaign? Does anyone really care enough to do anything about it? This is about cheap labour.......

If I had my own apartment (which I do) surely it's my own prerogative to choose who I want to share it with?

I'd even go as far as to say "must be a Man United fan."

I've shared in the past with a fellow Brit and the guy was a total arse, so yes, IF I was to share again, too right I'd be picky!

Did you Google it first?

If ur so pissed about it y dont u leave instead of trying to get the other few hundered thousand to go !!!

Fact of the Matter is whichever MNC company you find here in Doha all the back offices are manned by Indians or Filipinos who work there asses off which keeps things running smoothly for a Peice of S**t manager (like you) who might b running the joint to go n brag n brown nose it with ur superiors about how smoothly things r going down in the office !!!!

The amount of Bullshit people would say here about other nationalities is unbelievable.. If u guys r having a tough time getting a Job whats the sense in taking it out on other nationalities who are doing well..

U r one Sad person Dude !!! Get a life !!!

you should be cleaned before pointing someone out that he is dirty!!!

So does this make their behavior justified?

book a ticket n board ur flight back . u think shouting here u wil get job in Ras gas or QP huh . u can juz remove ur frustration nuthing else .

Well its actually refreshing to hear from you Brit. As always you are full of intelligent commentary. I’m not a bad guy. But goodness…. How long can we ignore the invisible elephant in the living room? I know some people are going to hate me for this, buts we are all adults here. Lets just be honest with each other. This forum is meant to bring us together as friends. With that being said, we have to be honest in these forums. If I say something that is unfair or true I beg any of my fellow Qlers to correct me on the spot! I am not above constructive critism people. But when I have people that are oblivious to the blatantly obvious….. We all no this is happening guys. Its time we spoke up about it. Its not fair to everyone else. Furthermore its counterproductive as far as race relations go. I’m not attacking Filipinos or Indians, But goodness, Have you ever heard of any other nationalities doing this nonsense? How come u never her of other nationalities destroying resumes? My mother told me a long time ago that if the shoe fits wear it!! I must have been about 13 yrs old. Hanging out on the streets and misbehaving with my friends, upon my arrival at home, I was confronted by my mother. Naturally I vehemently denied any wrong doing. My mom , in her wisdom told me.. “ Son, only two types of people are on the streets past 11pm, Police officers and Harlots, I don’t see a badge on your coat! Not to run off on a tangent but we all know these things happen. All I ask is that we challenge this behavior. We have fellow Qlers doing the same thing I guarantee…..

david, I'm not sure if you prior experience of the ME and excuse me if you do, but this part of the world is the most racist place ever, there is no PCness (thank feck).

This is a cultural thing and the Indians and Phillipinos stick together within their own cultures as do westerners......

Theres nothing racist about it, you want racist you ask an Arab...any Arab!!!!

I must admit that I have heard similar stories regarding "CV's / Resumes" from a friend who worked at ADNOC (Abu Dhabi National Oil Company).

I agree that racism should have no place in this society. Having said that, as far as the adverts regarding accomodation are concerned, perhaps its more to do with wanting to share with those of similar interests / culture / outlook. Also, there is the aspect of affordability. A Western expat would probably be in a position to pay a lot more for accomodation than an average Filipino or Indian.

Say what u will Mandi, but i have a right to voice my opinion. You should be ashamed of yourself my fellow American for not having the courage to speak about an issue that effects us all!!!!!!!!!!

Don't mind me, I'm just looking for the nearest rock to crawl under in embarrassment for being a fellow American.

Mandi