Abaya vs the bikini

IN MY OPINION BOUT ARE D SAME AND RIGHT THOSE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT STYLE HOW THEY WEAR DRESS EXAMPLE SOMEBODY BUYING EXPENSIVE CLOTHES BUT THEY COVERED IT COZ OF THE CULTURED AND OTHER THEY BUY A EXPENSIVE CLOTHES TO SHOW UP PLEASE JUST LOOK AND LETS WAIT WHAT IT HAPPEN

FOR ME IS NEW GENERATION EVERYBODY HAVE FREEDOM WHAT THEY WEAR OR WHAT THEY EAT...............ETC.......................ETC......

DO WHAT EVER YOU WHANT TO DO...........COZ EVEN LITTLE BOY NOW THEY KNOW ALREADY A MALICIOUS THINK COZ OF COMPUTER

one woman is going to the beach or pool in swimming attire, the other one might be going somewhere else,,,or at least one would hope so.This picture is not quite right. If the non abaya wearing woman would wear , for example, pants/skirt and a t- shirt, then we can compare. 

iT ALL DEPENDS ON WHO IS WEARING IT AND HOW IS WORN,,,,,

the bikini or the abaya? Lol!

Makes sense...

Mind you own business..... why care about women wearing bikini or abaya... 90+10 rule says, focus on things that are within your control.

Why the fascination with rape? I have seen the subject coming up a few times on QL. From a women’s point of view can I say that under NO circumstance is it acceptable for a women to be forced against her will.  Regardless of race, creed, culture, dresses since or any other excuses a male with those intentions has.  Rape is not about sex it is about power over another human being.  No matter how equal men and women think they are a man is always physically stronger than most women.   Frenchman I think some people are not getting the point of the cartoon.  I however do.  Thank you for your intelligent comments; I look forward to reading more. 

Agreed HelenMS.  I posted the cartoon because I thought it was a funny way of highlighting culture perspective.  It was even on the "funnies" forum.  Oh well . . .

Cannot believe all this wild discussion was just over a comical cartoon looking at the differences in our cultures... it was meant to be funny for heaven's sake!!Gee whiz guys... lighten up! Of course I am not surprised that some person chirped up with the rape scenarios because the westerner was wearing a bikini. How sad that it turned into a rugby rumble over a cartoon! lolI feel truly sorry for people that judge a book by its cover - we are all so very different and come from all walks of life here. As a westerner guest living in Qatar I have always embraced all that is Qatar, respecting and upholding their traditions, laws & beliefs - however give us a fair go as well and be just as generous with our beliefs too. It is a sad state of affairs if we cannot all live together with respect and dignity for each other. I'm just saying... 

This man Muslim man cabbage does not have the right to do that to this lady, Our prophet Mohammed PBUH said a hadith "Saying" which defines the Muslim as a person who does not hurt others by any mean.

There are some bad habbits which people must avoid, and these bad habbits are there in the different countries.

These bad habbits do not imply that all people in a certain country are bad no, a wise cabbage will not juddge all people by one person.

Me personally I like things which are there in the west, and there are things which I do not like, why?

The things which I like are in line with our culture and belief and the things which I do not like are against our culture and belief.

I am against those Muslim people who for example go and study there in the west and graduate with a big success and then they come and say the west is no good.

Cabbage this is our life where there are good things and there are bad things, so let us at the good things and stick to it and try to correct the bad things.

A glass half filled with milk.. Some might say the glass is half full while others might say it is half empty..  Both are right in their own way.. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. No one here is saying that the Abaya clad woman is right and bikini one is wrong or vice versa..

Exactly kareena74.  I posted it "funnies" for crying out loud!

Justify this  - In Australia, a Muslim man who raped a Muslim woman as "punishment" for reading the Bible has been sentenced to five years. This sexual attack follows in the wake of others inAustralia by mostly immigrant Islamic men against Western women for religious or ethnic reasons. With many cases or rape, particularly gang rape, in Australia, France, Sweden, and Norway, some cite this as a growing epedimic that the media has left for the most part unreported.Abdul Reda Al-Shawany , age 52, raped the unidentified Muslim woman as "punishment" for her reading the Bible. The Campbelltown District Court in Sydney heard how Abdula Reda Al Shawany sexually assaulted the woman, who was a practicing Muslim herself, and then said to her, "Let your Jesus help you." The AAP reports that as was sentenced, the Downing Centre District Court heard a harrowing statement from the victim, revealing that her shame and fear had been compounded by her cultural background. The woman, who cannot be named, arrived in Australia as a refugee from Iraq. But she said that even when she was jailed by dictator Saddam Hussein, she never feared for her life the way she did after the rape. "It is better if I'm dead," she told the court. The Daily Telegraph reports that when the woman came to Australia from the Middle East she began listening to Christian teachers and reading the Bible. The woman - who wears the Muslim hijab - had received threats from members of her faith for reading the Bible but had not converted to Christianity. Al Shawany lured her to a Warwick Farm railway station in September 2002 after he told her he had some mail for her from overseas.

I know how it feels buddy.. Noone here can take anything with a pinch of salt or rather humor.. Why do people things so seriously? Life is so serious as it is so why make it more complicated.. I just want to say.. Chill, chill just chill ..

It does seem that he's trying to exorcise some personal demons with this constant rehashing of the same topic.

You've been watching far too much illegal porn again sikandar.

I don't know what her motive was sikander, depends what was said during the argument.Flor, What part of "Started RAPING her" didn't you understand.

and lets take the above situation vice versa she rapes the man in drunk situation n later on claims its the man who raped her

SA--the point of the cartoon is to highlight in comical way the diversity of perspectives.  Clearly you do not believe that everyone has the right to his/her own opinion if conflict with yours.  Anyone who disagrees with you is against Islam, God, morality, etc.  Only you, and a few others who can't think for themselves, can take a comical cartoon and use it as another platform to attack the West, women, personal freedom, and diversity of opinion.  I'd say "go back to the stone age" but my guess is that the cave women were too scantily clad and ambitious for you, wanting to write the cave walls and all. Good luck to you mate.

she undressed her clothes what was the motive behind that scene

Maybe it was not rape. .Maybe he is implying that she seduced him.. Then he felt guilty for doing that and for cheating on his wife so puts the blame on the woman..

so if I push a woman flirting with me for a certain period of time and I am drunk, making love will be RAPE? Hope you won't be around when someone flirts with me! Lol!

What's to explain?

British woman arrested in bikini in Dubai Mall

A British woman was arrested by Dubai authorities for walking semi-naked through the Dubai Mall, the world's largest. It is believed that the woman got into an argument with a local woman as she walked in a low-cut top, following which she undressed down to her bikini in full public view.

There have been previous incidents where Britons have been found flouting the Emirate's strict laws. In 2008, two Britons were jailed for having sex on the beach while another couple was jailed for a month for kissing in the public this year.

read more: http://www.tntmagazine.com/tnt-today/archive/2010/08/05/british-woman-arrested-in-bikini-in-dubai-mall.aspx#ixzz1RhENG7o3

Because he's raping her sikander.  You can't rape someone consensually.

If he's 'raping' her, she didn't give consent.  By definition.

Pilgram how do u know if she said a NO

Well he said the man started "raping her" so the no is implied.

last posting (last paragraph).  Did I miss the "NO" part?

Flor how is it consensual sex if she said No? Fubar, I've been thinking this for awhile.  I pity his wife.

Now that you said it, it has set me thinking on the same lines.. It does make perfect sense...

Am I the only one who is starting to think that perhaps there is someone who did something he regrets to a girl, and is now spending everyday trying to justify it, because it was her fault?  A bit of a guilty conscience??

it's consensual sex! (did I spell it right?)

He raped her because he's a rapist.  he's 100% at fault.

In answer to your last question Straight Arrow.  He's a sick bastard who can't control himself.  The woman did nothing wrong.

1. If my own bed is in a proper place in a special room in my house, then the answer is no, but if the bed is a wrong place also the answer is no, but if something bad happened because my own is in improper place I will blame my self.

2. No

3. No

4. No

5. No

It is very simple and I am sure you are convinced as well.

If you are in a taxi Pilgram and you start shouting at and screaming, what would the taxi do?

The taxi driver might through you out of the car or do something bad to you.

The concept of personal freedome if it is not conteolled, why does some primary schools in some countries, ask the students to wear uniform dress?

Because it will look nicer.

I hope you will understand my words:

A woman should not or do not deserve be raped in all cases, some rapist do it because of phsycology and mantality problem.

Let us take this cas a man in a party who is half drunk and a lady see him and started flitiring and trying to attract him to speak with her, so he came and start speaking with her and then they went out of the home for a walk at mid night, and while walking she continued attracting him, and at one point he got very excited and pushed her toward a tree and started raping her, what is the main reason which let this man rape this woman?

Whatever the woman wears, it's a cruel male-dominated society. The men are the culprits. Let's make laws that forbid men to look! It's their dirty minds that form the "perspective". 

Jokes aside, what woman would be stupid enough to go the police in one of the Gulf Countries to report sexual abuse or rape?There is no ability here for the police to manage bad drivers, much less rape and sex crimes. I'm just glad I'm not a woman living in Qatar. 

It's getting really funny now!

That is the question.. I have read many such incidents like the recent one that happened to an Australian woman employed in UAE.. When a woman goes to the police and reports she was raped, they would just put her in a jail first and then deport her as well.. God forbid, if something like that happened to me, I would never report it  because the last thing I want is to see the inside of a prison or to get deported.. So it is better for the women to keep silent and never never report a rape case here.. Learn a lesson from that poor Australian woman..

Straight Arrow to you believe that by going to sleep in your own bed you deserve to be raped? Do you believe that while you're out having dinner and you go to the bathroom  that you deserve to have someone follow you in and rape you? Do you believe that while walking down the street you deserve to have someone come and pull you into a car and rape you?Do you believe that a taxi driver driving you home has the right to rape you just because you got in his taxi?Do you believe that your father, grandfather, uncles or brothers have the right to rape you, simply because they are alone with you? 

I guess all of you agree that if you we do not use things properly we can harm our selves.

had set a conditions for woman dress and also for man?

Is it set like this with no reason?

Your like saying that we are praying for no reason?

It is also like if you are obeying God for no reason!!

Frenchieman some people think that males are machines with no emotions and they should never be excited.

Frenchieman if there was a strong rule to stop men from raping other women, then the raping would decrease dramatically.

Here are questions for you Frenchieman and Pilgram:

Q1: If you know that entering this house will hurt you and you will get killed will you enter?

Q2: If you know that buying a certain thing will cause a trouble to you and your family will you buy it?

Q3: If you know that a certain magazine will spoil your son will you buy it?

Frenchieman I would like to tell you that the belief is like a scale ranges from 0-10 and this clearly explain why some muslim women who go to beaches will wear bikini and others no, they will dress normal with a head scarf.

Will the Muslim woman who is wearing bikini in Cancun be a none Muslim woman?

No she is a Muslim but with a lower degree of belief.

Why wouldn't I?  I don't see what it has to do with the topic though?  Or with the fact that rape is about power.

do you both agree that this is posted under 'funnies' ? :(

do u agree to this then

You posted the statistics yourself sikander, so if you read them you will see that YES rapists do rape without alcohol as well. 

now u say And yes power is involved even when alcohol is.and if  the rapist is not drunk he doesnt rape ??

I said 99% OF not 99% IN.  Learn to read. And yes power is involved even when alcohol is.  Alcohol lowers peoples inhibitions and makes it easier for them to do things like murder people or get in fights. 

Drug use, especially alcohol, is frequently involved in rape. In 47% of rapes, both the victim and the perpetrator had been drinking. In 17%, only the perpetrator had been. 7% of the time, only the victim had been drinking. Rapes where neither the victim nor the perpetrator had been drinking were 29% of all rapes.[29]

99% rapes in Qatar LMAO when and where

As opposed to what sikander, 99% of rapes that aren't reported in Qatar?  And let's not forget the UAE where the woman can go to jail for reporting the rape.

You are digressing :O(

According to a statistical average over the past 5 years, about 60% of all rapes or sexual assaults in the United States are never reported to the authorities.

have many rape cases have u heard in qatar ? and still can u compare with the ones mentioned above

You just said it Frenchieman, "Women's perceptions of what men want", What women think men want is not neccessarily what they do.  Personally I don't think most men care what women wear.  But women certainly care. Brit, I'm fully aware what the post was about, why don't you tell qatar pride and sikander that they are digressing?

So when teenage girls wear less and less with each passing year, that is to impress other girls.  I remember Britney Spears's riske videos when they came out; did her managers dress her like a stripper to appeal to other teenager girls?I see what you are saying, but men (or women's perceptions of what men want) play a significant role in female fashions in the West. sikandar--and there is no such credible report for GCC countries because why?

We are digressing again. The cartoon was just intended to highlight “perceptions”.

As far as pressure to dress in a certain manner – this can come from many sources. As you know, recently Barcelona banned “beachwear” in the streets with one councilor saying “Some people who live here are bothered by people who go about wearing just a bikini in the street, or men with their shirts off. We have standards to maintain.

Similarly a town in North Carolina banned swimmers from wearing thongs with the mayor saying “You can do what you want to in your own space, but for public decency, keep it off the public beach."

Its all about perceptions at the end of the day – Isn’t it ?.

Yes she most certainly is frechieman! Especially when they are teenagers.  The last thing the want is for someone to see them and make fun of what they wear.  And no doubt they've discussed the outfit with their girlfriends and are wearing the outfit the other girls chose.

What's your point?  Are really pretending women are not raped in Muslim countries? 

According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005.[17] 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape. (according to Colorado Coalition Against Sexual Assault)[18] The U.S. Department of Justice compiles statistics on crime by race, but only between and among people categorized as black or white. The statistics for whites include hispanic and non hispanic whites combined. There were 194,270 white and 17,920 black victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2006. Out of the 194,270 cases involving white victims, 50.6% had white offenders and 16.7% had black offenders, while the 36,620 black victims had a figure of 43% black offenders, the remaining being of other or unreported race, with a negligible number of white offenders.[19] Some types of rape are excluded from official reports altogether; the FBI's definition for example excludes all rapes except forcible rapes of females, a significant number of rapes go unreported even when they are included as reportable rapes, and a significant number of rapes reported to the police do not advance to prosecution.[20]

U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (1999) estimated that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, with 99% of the offenders being male.[21] Denov (2004) states that societal responses to the issue of female perpetrators of sexual assault "point to a widespread denial of women as potential sexual aggressors that could work to obscure the true dimensions of the problem."[22]

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, the adjusted per-capita victimization rate of rape has declined from about 2.4 per 1000 people (age 12 and above) in 1980 to about 0.4 per 1000 people, a decline of about 85%.[23] But other government surveys, such as the Sexual Victimization of College Women study, critique the NCVS on the basis it includes only those acts perceived as crimes by the victim, and report a higher victimization rate.[24]

From 2000-2005, 59% of rapes were not reported to law enforcement.[25][26] One factor relating to this is misconception that most rapes are committed by strangers.[27] In reality, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 38% of victims were raped by a friend or acquaintance, 28% by "an intimate" and 7% by another relative, and 26% were committed by a stranger to the victim. About four out of ten sexual assaults take place at the victim's own home.[28]

Drug use, especially alcohol, is frequently involved in rape. In 47% of rapes, both the victim and the perpetrator had been drinking. In 17%, only the perpetrator had been. 7% of the time, only the victim had been drinking. Rapes where neither the victim nor the perpetrator had been drinking were 29% of all rapes.[29]

Contrary to widespread belief, rape outdoors is rare. Over two thirds of all rapes occur in someone's home. 30.9% occur in the perpetrators' homes, 26.6% in the victims' homes and 10.1% in homes shared by the victim and perpetrator. 7.2% occur at parties, 7.2% in vehicles, 3.6% outdoors and 2.2% in bars.[29]

According to a statistical average over the past 5 years, about 60% of all rapes or sexual assaults in the United States are never reported to the authorities.

Despite a decline of 60% since 1993, the US still has a relatively high rate of rape when compared to other developed countries.[30] For more information, please see the statistics subsection of the article Rape in the United States.

According to a news report on BBC One presented in 12 November 2007, there were 85,000 women raped in the UK in the previous year, equating to about 230 cases every day. According to that report one of every 200 women in the UK was raped in 2006. The report also showed that only 800 persons were convicted in rape crimes that same year

Pilgram--women, yes.  But not teenage girls.  And different kinds of pressure--brand versus style.  When a 16 year old girl goes on a date in America, she is not dressing primarily for the other girls who will be at the cinema.

qatar pride--your analogy is ridiculous.  Studies show that rapists are motivated by control and dominance.  A rapist will go for the covered woman most times. Abayas and veils are not protecting women from rape.It's like this:  a person is given a mobile phone and a box wrapped like a present.  He is told that he can either keep the mobile phone or accept the mystery gift which could be greater or lesser value.  Many men would choose the mystery gift because the excitement of not knowing, the risk, etc.  It's human instinct.

I disagree Frechieman, I actually think the majority of pressure on women to dress a certain way comes from other women.  It was never the guys who teased me about the way I dressed or what brand I was or was not wearing, it was the other girls.  I honestly don't think men care what women wear. 

coz we need to buy them from Lulu ,carrefour,villagio,landmark n mall

Then why weren't we born with clothes?

I think there is enormous pressure from males generally on what young women are expected to wear--whether in the West (particularly during teen years) or the GCC.  While women in the West have more choice, the pressure is still substantial.The whole point of the cartoon is that we are all victims of our perceptions and tend to transpose those onto other people from other cultures.  For Qatarpride and SA and the others attacking the bikini-wearing woman (for all you know she is a Muslim from Qatar on vacation in Cancun) you are making the cartoonist's point.  Perception is everything.Besides this in the funnies, we should be chuckling at our own prejudices, not defending them.

Yaa, when humans are born naked like animals. They should remains so for the lifetime like animals.But God made Humans to be clothed and animals to be not (or you may call it the nature)I think tat cannot enlighten people like you. While you enjoy the nudity how can nyone convince such people.Diseases need to be treated not argued upon.With this i quit the discussion here. U can continue.

Depends.  Who's the easiest to catch?

TCOM, have got some bobcorn n bebsi ready - come n join ! :)

exactly we r born naked - so lets all get nude and walk around

What will instigate a sick pervert mind rapist.1) An Abaya clad modest and pious women or2) A bikini clad women to intends to be seen and appreciated by stranger men for her body???? 

I would say those are the minority Brit (with the exception of daughters depending on the age). Liberals don't think morals are from the past qatar pride, they just value different things then you.  They don't believe that nudity is a bad thing.  After all, we're all born naked.

The biggest despair of todays so called liberals is that they think morals are for the past and to behave like barbarians and be naked is freedom.Justifying nudity in the name of art and culture and promoting prostit*#^&n is wat appears tobe freedom for the advanced age people.Everything is custom made in the current time for the current situation. Nothing should be learnt from the past.

Whilst I agree with you on the whole, I would suggest that there are still some men in the West who dictate what their partners/wives/daughters wear.

when they are already naked waz the use of telling them how to dress

Qatar pride, I think the key word there is ALLOW.  Western men don't have a say over what they're women wear.  The women decide for themselves.  It has nothing to do with ALLOWING.   Women are not children to be told how to dress.

yaa people who dont allow their women to be presented liked a garnished plate of delicious food are hypocrites. and the so called liberals who dont mind their women to be naked in public are honest and pious people ( actually pimps). the minds of people who witness such nudity around them they become such perverts minded that their mind even doesnt let the covered bodies hide themselves. bloody sons of pros#*@$

How about wearing bikini to swim because it's more comfortable or for sun bathing?  How about wearing clothes to cover one's head, face, body to protect one's head,skin, body from the sun, or  snow (winter).  It is not always about "male dominated culture" business.

abaya is modest and respectable

in a public place "malls"  as long as she is not a Muslim and she is not in Qatar.

One of the things and I stick if you do not like a certain place do not go to it.

My belief implies to me get offended when I see a Muslim woman in a public place wearing bikini, because we as Muslims like one body if one part got injured the whole body will react with this injured part to get it recovered.

At the end Every one has his own perception which others may agree with  or disagree.

Damn! I thought I was the only one who did that :O(

"the way the nuns dress in the churches." Did you know the one of the biggest selling "naughty lingere" is a nun's habit? Which means men fantasize about nuns.  They also fantasize about women in niqab, as "harem girl" is also a big seller. No matter what you dress a woman in, men will fantasize.

LOL...:) This is soo true..it all depends on how we view things..

Yes, the answer to the topic is so simple yet many can't see and understand it. But i can't understand these majority people who proudly display or allow this display of the assets of their mothers, sisters or wives in public. And then feel proud of the men admiring and fantasising about these women who have displayed their almost naked bodies in the public.I don't know how such people think that men will not look at such women and not enjoy it.I think its not about muslims only bcoz the ideal way to dress for the christian women must be the way the nuns dress in the churches.  

I went to a mall in Cancun and women were wearing bikini's in it, went to one in Florida and it was similar. Who's to say that someone's perceptions are wrong?Straight Arrow I know many Muslims who aren't offended by a woman in a bikini, so that makes you wrong.

and we see some women walking with a bikini would this be acceptable?

For some yes and for others no.

Pilgram your are wrong, because I have met many westerns people and trust me many of them do not like women who wear indicent dress.

I like the term perception, but does this mean that if some are having a wrong perception then we just leave them like this?

Some of us or maybe many know what does up and down mean, a person must be supportive and there must be a system for things to work properly.

Now if one part of your body is not functioning properly or having problem will you sit and not do any thing? Or you will try to look for solutions and treat the problem to the limit which you can?

What shall we call a person who sees a small fire in his house and the fire extinguisher or bottle of is next to him and does nothing, he just keep watching the fire gets bigger and bigger?

The reason some women wear such clothes is cos in their opinion its not "indecent"..Its all about perception! 

The issue Straight Arrow is that not everyone agrees on what is decent dress.  There are many many different opinions of what "decent" dress is.    I don't see anything indecent about bikini's, neither do most people. 

And I agree with it, from presepctive here what can I say:

The woman on the right wore that dress bcause of beliwf and culture, but what about the woman on the left? Does she wear a bikini because of a religious belief or because of her own convention and belief?

I really need an answer for this question:

We all agreed that there is what is called decent dress and this obvious from previous posts, the question is that why some women decide to go in public places with improper dress?

What advantage does the woman gain when she ware improper dress according to the meaning of proper dress which you know?

Never judge a book by its cover. Actually I lived out a similar scenario the other day. When taking a walk a lady passed me by. She had on a short as it gets black dress and black sunglasses. And there was I in my whole jilbab and niqaab all in black too. We both glanced at each other curiously and walk by. what a pretty contrasting picture we must make..lolOh and having got into hijab only 8 years ago I tend not to be judgemental of others..just saying! 

RIZKS is right nobody seen ladies wearing bikini's but question is thisIF some budy see what will happen to him?kaakaaaaa                      beiNg huMan

havent seen any ladies wearing bikini's and going for shopping at Villagio, CC or Landmark ? :(

Is entitled to their own opinion..

Yup, it's all about perspective.

nice one Frenchie!...really does come down to personal perspective...thanks for sharing!...

from everything to nothing - makes an entirely different perspective. tfs. :)

Wait till the Funny brigade come on line then it will be bobcorn and bebsi time.

ROFL .. Touche!

But mine is the right one, Brit!  Everyone else's are just perspectives.  :-)

Rightly said - Its all about personal perspective. Yet, all too often we believe that only our "viewpoint" is the right one :O)

As the cartoon comically highlights, it's all about perspective.  TFS mnaveed.

It simply implies that males enforce what a woman chooses to wear, however, (I believe) this is not the case most of the time!

I think this is purely a wrong concept by west for Abaya. Now A days actually west is againg Abaya and hijab. A one of the strategy. Otherwise this is a very respecvtable dress. Bikni a bull shit where a woman does not have respect. is it seems good top a common man that his sister, mother, wife opr a close relative move in the crowed wearing bikining, how come west knows about thye respect of woman ehere there is no relation between a sister and mother and a father and a brother where sister canm very easily asked his parents with honour that she is going for a fun and date with his boyfriend how come west can distinguish between womans respect......................

I think this is purely a wrong concept by west for Abaya. Now A days actually west is againg Abaya and hijab. A one of the strategy. Otherwise this is a very respecvtable dress. Bikni a bull shit where a woman does not have respect. is it seems good top a common man that his sister, mother, wife opr a close relative move in the crowed wearing bikining, how come west knows about thye respect of woman ehere there is no relation between a sister and mother and a father and a brother where sister canm very easily asked his parents with honour that she is going for a fun and date with his boyfriend how come west can distinguish between womans respect......................

hahaha