While we were walking in the mall...

Kids in other parts of the world seem to be "little devils" too...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-31/life-and-death-at-suicide-high/?cmpid=p_yahoo

Well I think these leashes work for some kids very well, but the problem I have is not my kids but other kids behaviors towrd them.

"I'd love to change the world, but I can't find a big enough diaper"

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Normanila2000,

Believe me she was even holding my hand when that little brat did that. I think kids from this part of the world are little devils.

"I'd love to change the world, but I can't find a big enough diaper"

whenever they play in public parks. Whenever any kid approach mine and i sense that he would not do any good i immediately call the kids attention before he could do anything. That is to show him that he would get it if he touch my kids

"Masunod nawa ang iyong kalooban!" 

There are two things one is acceptance of such behaviour and other is to the always register your intolerance and dont accept it . I would always go for not accepting because even if parents are not providing proper giudlines we as society must show them it is not acceptable.

This is not racism at all..I understand where these parents are coming from..if anything, the parents of these "bullies" are allowing their kids to be racists. my 3 year old daughter has been bullied so many times at the parks and the parents never say anything. I havent been in Qatar very long, but I have noticed a pattern that needs to be stopped. In some cases, parents have no part in raising the children..the nannies do all the work!! and lord know what the nannies are teaching them. anyway, in no way do I want to disrespect anyone culture/race/or society here, but something needs to be done. I dont want to raise my kids in a society that allows children to do whatever they want and get away with it. discipline starts at home..not by nannies or by schools.

attitude makes it all... be calm towards them, they will be trated in a different way by God.!!!!

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I is very unfortunate what happened. I fully understand your frustration and anger.

All I can say is that, some of the things here you have to take with pinch of salt!....I am sure you have seen countless of other issues in the past, which shall we say didn't look quite normal to you.

all this talk of those "bullies" who like to hit others make me think.

I going to teach my new daugther how to kick any boy in the groin if he lays a hand on her regardless of nationality. If the boys father complains i will simply explain that the boy has learnt some pervy bad habits from his father and doesn't he feel more embarressed that his little man was beaten by a mere girl :)

Koko,

you might have turned to be a great person, but its NOT fair for my kids to be beaten by brats...Its not my business what they turn out to be in future, but I do care if my kids been abused by them.

"I'd love to change the world, but I can't find a big enough diaper"

Most of the parents here a least bothered as to wjhat their kids does. This is especially true with some of the nationalities here. Since these follow a specific pattern it is no wonder that people generalise this sort of behaviour with specific nationalities.

When parents dont have time to instil discipline in their children do you expect others can bring in the same to these kids.

Discipline starts from one's own house. You fail there, the consequences are there for everyone to see.

I don't know about you... but I grew up with corporal punishment and I was beaten black and blue if I did anything wrong... if i fought with my brothers..if i looked the wrong way.. anything... but u know.. i turned out great... i'm polite...i don't bully.. etc.. u get my point... :) so really.. I don't see a problem with handling children in that manner as it worked for us for all those years.. the reason why kids are so bad now-a-days is coz there is no punishment for them anymore and they don't fear u or respect u anymore..

Never say Never for fear of Forever!!

you do know that kids who start off that way have a very high percentage of growing up serial or mass murderers? This is a very serious issue and should be addressed! I would for sure get someone from outside involved with this matter!... Just my opinion!

Never say Never for fear of Forever!!

Oryx,..

our Islamic prophet said "religion is treatment". this is the Islam. whether this lecturer followed or not, it's his problem.

Call it racism or cultural attitude

Anyone is welcome to my compound and see the feral brats that have resulted in a mass exodus of my friends and neighbours.

The kids are allowed to run round and play unsupervised at all hours, there is a lot of vandalism and they physically abuse the workers on the compound.

A year ago i took a feral one back to his house after being so disgusted by the way he kicked and punched one of the workers who was almost in tears (again). Feral brat father was a lecturer in Islamic studies.

etc etc etc

See what nationality the feral brats are - so its not me being racist thats just facts speaking.

It’s a fact, with all respect for the exceptions, GCC display abusive general traits.

Cultural and/or circumstantial, it is sadly a fact easily observed in our daily lives here in the GCC countries!

Lets be a litte racist, but whats her presummed nationality? Different nationality have different attitude and behaviour.

Sorry to hear about your experience! I this think type of behaviour is appauling because in Western Countries, and most other countries actually, this is not tolerated. As a teacher, we encourage positive reinforcement strategies and the use of words versus a physical approach which is detrimental to the child's self-esteem and sparks patterns of abusive behaviours in their adulthood. I would have personally approached the mother to discuss my displeasure with the situation. I hope your daughter is okay and not affected by this experience.

a MUCH higher % of kids who grow up in the GCC are spoilt rotten compared to their counterparts elsewhere in the world,be they local or expat,that is the fact of the matter...a bitter truth that MANY here may disagree with or try to defend in some surreal way but that doesn't change the truth...& yes,as other posters correctly pointed out,kids learn from their parents,very quickly @ that,if they see mum abusing/hitting the maid or dad screaming@/abusing the driver or his employee,they're going to grow up thinking that's ok & a LOT of parents here in the GCC are guilty of both mistreating their help AND spoiling their kids in the bargain...

Matet,

I did show my maturnity level, I followd the running away mother and I spoke to her, I asked her why she left without saying 'Sorry' to me or my daughter, she told me her son is only 1 1/2 years old and he can't talk yet, I told her "you are not your son's age and you know what is wrong and what is right, and you should be a model for your son" then she told me "I don't speak English tell me in Arabic" then I just gave up on her, she gave a kiss to my daughter but I don't buy it, it should've not happened at the first place and even if it did, then she should've not walked away with out any appologies.

I am not raisict, but I see the same action from the same group of people.

M-Ghader,

I know what you are saying,I have two kids and they are 28 months and 18 months and I have days that I go thru very hard time, but still I manage not to show it to my kids and I have raised them in a way that they would not touch or do something if they know its wrong, Becuase I Taught them from the very beginning that hitting others are wrong, since they have NEVER hit or punched another baby so I don't accept others to treat them badly. If my kids ever raise their hands on another baby I will make them appologize for the other baby and they will get punished, but it seems like there is no punishment here since they are all raised by nannies...Who cares.

Nadt,

I know it exists everywhere in the world, but you can see it a lot more often in some prats of the world than the other.

Shoeaddict,

you did the right thing. But if I were you I probably would want to slap the mother, becase she is the one who needs a slapp.

"I'd love to change the world, but I can't find a big enough diaper"

since youve brought this up,let me share you a similar story involving a client of mine who brought her naughty son inside my shop.while we were discussing her design details the son pushed all my catalogues to the other side of the table and all of it fell to the ground.

the mother's reaction surprised me.she said in a non-chalant tone "SLAP HIM IN THE FACE."

"HUH?"again she repeated the same request.

i was angered by her reaction,though i didnt show her because part of the customer service training that i apply to everyone.that being said,i just answered back-"I am not in a position to DISCIPLINE NOR HURT your child."

i do not believe in the principle of beating a child up so he or she could LEARN from his or her mistake.I AM NOT A PARENT,nor do i plan on being one.HURT PEOPLE HURT.its a chain,that will not be broken not unless you decide to be a willing VICTIM.

Sorry to hear what happened to your child in the mall, and its not ok, but can we please not get into the "its the culture here. We all know bullying and parents hitting their kids is rife everywhere in the world. As a social worker in Aus, i was exposed and had to deal with a lot of child abuse cases, where kids were beaten badly, broken bones, cigarette burns to their bodies, children taken away from their parents for their safety etc. I witnessed things that used to make me cry on a daily basis until i became immune to it.

Bullying in the workplace, schools, playgrounds etc is a common occurence in other cultures as well, not just this culture. Bullying, hitting and disciplining children is a wide world issue that needs to be addressed. The only difference is that because we are living here, we tend to forget about the issues in our cultures and that perhaps here, its not being addressed by the government as an issue. When its is acknowledged as a huge problem that needs to be dealt with and support services are set up, then maybe things will start to change.

and lived in many parts as well. i've never seen more disobedient and dissrespectful kids (and adults actually) as i have in GCC. this is not an opinion, a hypothesis, a biased viewpoint, or anything like that - its a plan and simple fact - make of it what you will. peace

Exactly AbuAmerican...

"Live with passion, Die with style"

Just to share also my shocking and teribble experience with the kids here in doha. Im working in sales so normally i visit al khor and ras laffan. Aroud 5 in the afternoon im walking in front of food center in al khor community then suddenly a out of nowhere there was this little boy running approaching me i got shock because he touch my private part. I was so angry i ran after him then what he did he came running towards his father and i told the father what he did. As if the father didnt here anything and go inside a land cruiser park in the area and drove off.

''HOKA HEY!!!''

oh and by the way, disciplining a child is not wrong, i take disciplining and hitting as two different things, but i have to say that when i pinch mi kids when they do something wrong , i do it with irresistible pleasure heheheheheheehehh, sometimes they deserve it . if kids don't get punished they will never learn . it is wrong to say 'she is just a kid' .

''HOKA HEY!!!''

well something similare happened to me here in london, an arab girl threw herself on my daughter's buggy waking her up and scaring her to death ... you don't want to know what i called her and her mother ahahhahahahahahh

Its really very incorrect to say that ITS IN SOME CULTURE TO HIT KIDS..I don't think its appropriate to use this term..There r some kids who really needs a tight slap so that they can understand whats wrong n right..

you have shown your high level of maturity by not reacting to the situation.

but i think your are guilty of sweeping generalization by saying

"i wonder why in some cultures hitting is ok?"

take care next time.

sad but you cann't blame kids for that.

They says, "children are future" now imagine the future of this country.

If this thing ever happened to me, i'll give a nice "slap" and a lovely "kick" to that kid ;-P (,")

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Bahraini don't bother with these racists.

Kids learn from their parents.. When they see at home the domestic help from other nationalities being abused, they assume every expat is their slave and they behave accordingly.

"Live with passion, Die with style"

Dear monument

It is wrong to point at a whole culture when you're talking about one or few moms, I can assure you that in our culture hitting someone is wrong and it has to be corrected by the most gentle ways. But among every culture there are exceptions and I have met the exceptions in your culture.

And i don't think that you can judge a person depending on one incidence, you don't know her excuse or her reasons. Grabbing her son like that is probably defined as a way of abusing but i KNOW that it can have a variety of other definitions.

In the end I'm sorry on behalf of the mother and the child =)

I remember this one time i was walking in City Center when a nearly 3yrs old boy come running and like he was just so excited to hit me. This is a case of too much Autonomy or he's just practicing his motor ability.

~Welcome Sunshine~

sounds like the feral kids on my compound

if young kids are hitting each other then my guess is they get hit at home

My friend shared an incident ...she had gone for a birthday party to Mc Donalds. There was this kid in the general play area who was hitting other kids quite hard just for the fun of seeing them cry. When this kid hit her daughter twice, her hubby caught the kid and asked for his Mum. The kid pointed to a lady sitting nearby casually smoking a cigarette & watching the proceedings. He walked up to her and asked her do you know your kid is misbehaving? Her reply was "he is not killing anyone". The parents were shell shocked. So the dad asked "so you are going to wait till your kid kills someone to correct him".

The wife told the hubby there was no point even talking to that woman cos she would never understand.

The point its upto the PARENTS to teach young kids right from wrong. But...

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"We live life forward, but understand it backward"

I remember a few days back someone was saying discipline has to be taught in the school not at home. Maybe the parents follow that motto.

Some parents don’t know a thing about the responsibilities towards their kids…they overlook their misbehavior and other rudeness intentionally, they don't know, SOON they will suffer too.

I have an incident to share... not with an intention of hijacking the thread but its very relevant in this context... we were invited for dinner at a friends place.. they live in the third floor of an apartment complex and we had a good time and we were leaving... we always walk down the stairs and never use the lift - just as an excuse to burn a few more cals- as we were coming down the stairs we saw this very cute looking young kid - he might be 4 yrs old. sitting in a corner of the landing... for some reason we attracted my attention but we dint stop and we walked along we were nearing our SUV when this apparently angelic kid suddenly threw two big stones at my lil daughter. both stones just missed my daughter. Its good the kid missed becos my husband would have given that kid a piece of his mind if he had indeed hit our daughter. we were shell shocked and my husband said let me go and talk to his parents but i restrained him. the kid instead of going away continued to throw more stones and was laughing actually. By now mu husband was really annoyed he wanted to go and give this spoily brat a tight slap. Still he managed to realise he was just a kid and we drove off. However he called back our friends and reported this issue. What they told us shocked us even further.

This is an Arab family and the kid lives with his mum and his grand parents. He had beaten elders in ths apartment complex with cycle chains, bottles and stones.

He catches kitten with their tails and smashes them on walls and throws dead animals on other peoples cars and laughs at them...

Hearing this sordid story our anger evaporated into disbelief and we wished our friends well for having to endure such neighbours, thanked our stars that we dont live with such " special" people.

My husband insists we should call the police or the juvenile correction dept. But looking at the big picture we realise what cannot be cured has to be endured.

We have since told our friends, they are welcome to our place but their apartment is a no go area for us.

Yes u r true..The reason is i too have found the same kindda couples in my neighbour who beat black n blue to their 1 1/2yr old son..That boy has become so arrogant, short tempered and what not that he even sometimes push ahead or give a punch to my baby as well..Since the boy never resist whenever his parents beat him, he thinks that the other (especially kids) will also not resist or stop him if he will beat them..Its realy bad for his future and i really pray that those parents shld atleast get a counselling in how to bring up their kids..

In an ideal world,you ought to have stopped the mother & told her that if she wants to beat her kid to death,that's bad enough,that kid growing up hitting other kids is unacceptable but we don't live in an ideal world & in all likelihood,that lady who in all likelihood has absolutely no idea or had no guidance in child rearing(which is why they hit their kids 'cos they don't know any other way,it's the way they were brought up & it's the way that young boy will bring up his own kids) would make a fuss there in the mall & believe me,she'd make it out like it was your fault,so yeah,not worth the hassle mate...just advice your daughter,that's NOT the right thing to do...

Sorry for you and your daughter,,,

the son was already in gr8 trouble.

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