Environmental HyperS!
To all those Environmental HyperS!
Every time, heavy rain, heavy snow , freezing cold or soaring temperature, it comes as "had happened earlier", possibly within 100 years and some times within a few decades. Then how can someone claim that it's deteriorating??? If it's really deteriorating then every time these natural calamities (if call them natural phenomena) should cross previous limits.
These are routine effects of our system and have been happening and will keep on happening as natural cycle.
Some smart (I guess over smart) guys are making a business out of it. I'm not an expert on this, but it seems there is a big caucus is working (another conspiracy theory??) on it and minting money.
Mind it, fear is the biggest factor and they are using it again, claiming end of our eco-system and what not........
For example, they say Tigers will be vanished, so??? Something new will come, right?? As happened with dinosaurs!!! They may vanish but not the eco-system. Isn't this natural evolution process????
I hope, some learnt people here will share their knowledge on how “Environmental HyperS Caucus” is befooling the ordinaries, in an organized manner,
Painther,
I was not referring to you when I mentioned "Preaching", it was to the fanatics of both sides.
Now that we have achieved a consensus, we can all go and practice what we defend.
;)
Nic,
I agree on last lines of ur post, to respect nature and practice this as religion, and don't preach, owe it!! agreed!
My religion is my personal matter and beyond public discussion but I do follow nature's respect and preserve to extent possible. (for example, I still use handkerchief instead wasting paper, as a matter of fact, in my office (same in anyone's, i guess) in one day in washrooms we waste paper equal to atleast a tree).
This thread does not preach but attempt to discuss an issue.
Painther,
Obviously what happened in the last 50 years, 100 years or even 1000 or 5000 it barely a reference when compared with the 4.6 billion years of planet Earth!
This discussion is as pointless as referring to “the storm of the century” or “the flood of the decade”.
Just because the Media love to be sensational (either to sell or by stupidity) do you have to accept blindly what they feed you?
Only time will tell how accurate both extreme sides were.
Meanwhile, isn't it common sense to respect Nature?
That's all we should never forget and as Olive said, practice it as if it was a religion, do your share instead of lecturing others!
This environment fears are just stop industralization from taking place in Asian, African & Arabian Countries.
The West is telling "We will produce You will consume".
No other Way!
correct the same magnitude stuff happened 50 yrs back... but you should look for the one happened before it, it would prop ply happened 100 years before it...that means its happening more frequent...so the next one might be after 25 years…and then it might become a usual phenomena
what about, when they say, biggest flood in last 50 years, means, same magnitude stuff happenned 50 yrs back????
Does this mean, every generation keep on calling it foul as -present is worst, past was best (or worst for soem) and future will be worst (or best for some)...attitude issue of human nature??????? is it??
Since the last ice age...the earth has an approximate rate of increase of its temp of 0.5'c every hundred years, in the last 100 years the temp increase was more than 2.5'c…. thats due to the increase of pollution which increases the greenhouse gasses which blocks the sun rays which are reflected of the earth surface and suppose to go back to space in the earth system which increases the temp which increase of evaporation which will lead to increase the number of hurricanes and the intensity of it...thats for the parts of the world where hurricanes happens...for other parts, like here in the gulf, it has the opposite effect, the max temp of the year will keep increasing... the sand storm will increase in number and intensity...just like we 2 to 3 months of high humidity, we will have 2 to 3 months of continues sand storms in the very near future.... other parts like India where the monsoons hits every year for a period of 3 months(rainy season)....the increase of earths temp will extend the period of the season and increase of the amount of rain fall which will lead to more flooding...if you notice in the last 10 years floodings due to monsoons have increased in all parts of Asia comparing to the decade before it....in Europe the temperature's are increasing in the summer till the point where there is a number of animals dies due to the heat....all of the is called global warming which is dragging our earth to the next ice age in less than hundred years from know I would say
On the contrary, I believe there is interest in covering up the seriousness of these environmental reports. After all most of the people in power have dirtied their hands by exploiting nature.
But meh, I'm not an extremist environmentalist either. I do my bit when I can, but I'm not going to get on the roads asking everyone to do the same. To each their own is my policy, even if their actions will end up hurting everyone later.
No doubt their are. There's also those who have a vested interest in continuing to pollute. Frankly all the vested interested has made the whole issue a mine field of mis-information. At the end of the day though I look at it like many people look at religion, better to believe now and do what you can to save the environment then get to the end and realize you're too late.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Olive, Plz refer recent IPCC fiasco; that shows how incredible these "reports" can be!! i think there r reason to believe that there are vested interests of some who enhance fear factor...
Hmmmm...
DeepB, u r right, it may happen...btw I'm not the party who is behind pollution, population or natural disaster...lol, just wants to discuss. however i'm curious for over exaggeration of it by some with vested interests.
Exactly Nic, even if there aren't more natural disasters I don't fancy living in a garbage heap in 50 years.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Even if the weather is not changing and even if the media loves to exaggerate to sell, the fact is, pollution does not benefit nature and the environment.
Now use this fact as you perceive it and behave accordingly!
Did you not read what I posted painther? If your happy with what has happened before continuing, then its all fine. Let it continue.
From the research that I've heard (and you need to take it all with a grain of salt) is that we are seeing slightly more large scale hurricanes & rainfall then there has been in the last few hundred years, however it's about the same as the last time the Earth went through a warming period. Keep in mind though that we feel the effects of these disasters more now due to our overflowing population.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Now i'm rationalizing my views on Tigers, per say.
what about hyperactivism by some(say media or groups)abt calamities?
Do we get more calamities now then before, I think neither more nor less.
And how about the garbage thrown into the rivers and land fields, the gases exhausted by factories and vehicles... are these also part of the natural evolution or these are not relevant to Environment damage?
Just because there are some who exaggerate the problem, others that make money with the problem and others that become annoyances of the constant preaching, it sure does not mean that the planet is not suffering due to careless manmade destructive interventions.
It’s up to each one of us to do our share in avoiding that and yes, I agree, we shouldn’t need to lecture others!
Tiger skin is used as carpets in many parts of teh world..and its very expensive..
I don't think tigers have ever been hunted for anything but sport & fun. There meat isn't tasty and while their fur coat would be pretty, it would be hard to get. We kill them now because they used to be able to kill us. As the more intelligent of the species its our duty to protect the other living things on this planet, not kill them.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Sure painther, it's happened before. We are helping accelerate the process. It's a cyclic process like you said. Dinosaurs got extinct last time, this time it might be the Human Race. No big deal, the earth will keep on going. It might not necessarily be suitable for life, but it will continue.
So yes, lets continue. Let the tigers die, let the next Ice age or Ultraviolet radiation wipe of human population. It's all just a cycle anyway.
not because "We can" but yes animals are being killed for need, now how to define need is viable or not, a chicken is killed for say food and tiger is killed 4 some thing else, dint in primitive ages tiger skin was used for protection of humanbeings?
as for bullet? ever did a deer complain about tiger's teeth?, thats their bullet; still i think it's survival cycle.
Survival of the fittest doesn't count when it's a bullet against flesh and blood. So you advocate killing all animals simply because we can?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
I find a related link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory
good read.
Isn't this natural process in line with 'survival of fittest' ??
those who survive are fittest and who cant, perish.
You disagree? Perhaps you should go talk to the Buffalo, the Carrier Pigeon, The rhinoceros, the elephant, whales, polar bears, Bald Eagles & the countless other animals out their hunted to extinction or almost to extinction.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
social responsibility??? U mean where people care more for Dogs (i mean such creatures) than a human being??
as a human being i'll go with another human being that's natural animal instict??
But.. dont we have a social responsibility not to disturb our eco system..:)
I disagree Olive, moreover issue is bigger then only tiger stories.
for fun and for money ;)
If a lion kills a deer it kills 1 deer, when I man kills a deer (without restriction) they can kill 100's, for fun. Lions don't kill for fun, men do.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
If a lion kills a deer, it's natural, right! but if man (also part of system) kills tigers, it's unnatural?????
The difference between Tigers and Dinosaurs is that Dinosaurs to our knowledge died from natural causes, not over hunting. If we kill off all the Tigers we leave a gap in the food chain that may or may not be replaced,not to mention that we've lost an incredibly beautiful animal.
As for whether or not environmental issues are over-hyped or not it doesn't really matter, even if what we're doing isn't hurting the environment drastically it's still our duty not to hurt it at all if we can. Precaution is just as important as the cure.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce