is this true?

Bint you can try your luck with talking to your ex, if this doesnt work out try the court, they can make a ruling on this but make sure you have a lawyer and a translator.

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well ok... as for me, when the kid travels with my mom or dad, a mother's consent is enough...

so i need a letter drafted by a lawyer to the courts that says i am the legal guardian including the visitation rights... ofcourse! legalized by the embassy... just thinking abt this, this is gonna be bloody...

so whats is the factor that the court awarded ur kids passport to u?

Not so far bint, but at immigration in other countries they sometimes ask for a letter of consent from the father for travel.

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ok. uhmm... lawyer is really needed in this case..

ok so what abt if u wanna travel, do they ask u for a sponsor/guarantor?

thanks for ur email

I am not sure on your divorce ruling bint, it may stipulate that the passports are to be with the father as even I need consent to travel with my kids from their father. This is required by immigration in many countries to ensure you are not stealing the kids from their father.

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how did u get the passport? was this s decision by the court?..what if u wanted to travel with ur kids?

do u think i should get the same? I spoke to a lawyer once, as I showed him the judgement from court, he said its a bit wierd for him. he was interested to get into my case... but i wanted to get more info on this....

does our nationalities have a role in this? me & my x have diffrent nationalities...

My kids passport is with me, and I have a side agreement drawn up by a lawyer stating my custody and visitation rights which I had attested by the embassy.

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ofcourse kids first!

although for some mother's MONEY first! I met someone, who was filing for divorce too, I met the man, he told me that his wife doesnt want the kids! They have 2 beautiful daughters. The wife only took the last dowry and all the furniture in theor house, but she left the kids with the father - which he dont mind actually.

but as for me! money was an issue but i prefer to have my child by my side - even if i had to juggle between chores.

Amoud & Andee, where are ur kids passports???

Bint Maldeni, yes that is the way it works,,, everything you want goes thru the courts.. I was the same in and out of the office for hours trying to sort the issues.. thank God I had a very understanding boss.. cause basically if I went to court and my ex did not appear than the whole case was postponed. One day he decided yes he wants the kids, next week it was he decided he did not want to grant me divorce - each time it was something else...All I can say is I may not have got anything from the courts financially but I have my kids and that was the most important thing...

Thanks so much Amoud... I still havent got the mail but Im sure its on the way... :_)

Bint I just sent you an email

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Bint if he has said he cannot afford payment and if you didnt insist (it is your right to ask, even to force, you didnt make the kiddies by yourself) the court may have been leniant. If you didnt understand what was going on I suggest you take the court paper they gave you and have it translated. You may find the reason there and it would be beneficial to seek some sort of council. I will send you a contact to help you out.

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Amoud, Initially I didnt ask for it. The X was the one who dragged me to court... and since I dont see any possible solution and I couldnt accept the fact that he was suing me for nothing, he wont even compromise - so when they asked me, I said I want divorce.

I was asked abt the payment for my kid, I said if he is willing, then I would accpet but I wont force. So maybe that is why the court has not decided on this.

But I think, since they know a kid is involved, they shoul've decided on this automatically, instead of saying that "If you want something else, then you can come to court again"

p.s. - I wasn't given a translator! every things was like, "can you asy that again?" or "what do u mean?"

Bint I divorced here but was married in North America.

If the woman asks for a divorce she doesnt get her divorce payment as she initiated the divorce.

I had to ask the court for payment for my son. I asked for an amount, my ex husband agreed and that was it. I had a friend divorce a few years back also and she had to ask the court for payment. It may be worth your while to go back to court and ask for whatever money is pwed for the children to be retro-active.

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bint, what nationality is your ex-husband if I may ask? In my grandma's culture they have a very efficient way dealing with such men but I doubt it would be a good idea in Doha... :^)

i was married & divorced in doha. Andee , sorry 2 hear that it took u 8 long years. AL hamdulilah mine was a year and half... but it cost me my job, wanting for it to be over, i was running to court like 6 times a month...

even when i wanted my daughter to travel with my mom.... since passport with the father and he doesnt want...i had to get permission from court, bring a sponsor..funny things is, when i brought my sponsor, a Qatari, they have rejected...when i brought someone form my embassy, they rejected! when i brought a fellow country man, who has a normal job, they accepted, he signed a paper that if my kid doesnt come back, he'll b in trouble!

i think this court decision is so unfair!

syhall i spend the rest of my life coming & goin to court whenever i needed something????

hi andee

am not sure about ur divorce issue, but i think ur ex agree to pay you that little only to leave you with no option, but to leave ur kids with him.

in one of ur above post, u stated that he claimed to afford only qr300, take it or leave the kids with him.

was like a strategy he wanted to use on you.

salut to you that you chose to keep ur kids.

i hope ur kids will reward you for ur hard work being a single mother raising them.

may god guid you and ur kids. wish u lots of health and energy in life! stay strong and healthy

good luck to you

fefee

action speaks louder than words

Damn it. I should have had his lawyer.

Costs me QR1500 a month for my boy.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

Kudoes Andee, keep goin pal.. prayers to you and the small ones.

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No pls.. thank you for sharing.....

It was a relief to know.... Of course you are a tough nut or cookie....:) as you like to be called... your text shows that....

Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.

Yep .. it was tough going but I am a tough cookie ... am settled, happy, have enough to get by but above all I have my pride that I never stooped as low as he wanted me to ...

Thanks for asking.. LIFE is good....

It was quite some time ago and I am settled now - managed well for myself and kids so dont need anything from him....

Andeee... howz life now???

I mean forget about whtevr you x_husband didn do....

Are you comfortable now?? Both ways financially n mentally??

Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.

andee, i really hope that you will be given what is due for you and your kids soon. my, i really felt bad reading your post. perhaps you could go to court again? and don't let your husband scare you into silence, he has no balls whatsoever. hmp..

kadaut...

Its a monthly payment....and the Sharia law applied because it was a Muslim marriage...

Hi there

Yes - he 4 properties (but could not even give me and his sons one of them to live in !!! ) so I have to pay rent for our place, he has another 3 kids he is taking care of very well yet for his boys nothing....

I'm guessing Amnesia will know more, with him been a lawyer.I just spoke to a Bahraini lawyer and he said it would be a recognised divorce in England.But Britain and Bahrain have a friendship pact anyway,due to our helping establish parts of Bahrain over the century, so maybe thats got something to do with it.

I got the name dohell from a fellow QL'er, who doesnt like it there.

Sums it up quite well I think :D

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

mmm... if you marry according to a certain law isn't it that you can get divorced under the same legal system?

Btw, Dohell? This is very original, may I ask you where the name comes from?

Bahrain, so I'm sure Andee could do the same in dohell.

Andee, QR 300 ? Thats only around 50 GBP.Is that per month or a one off payment ?

I think you have been shafted there well and truly.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

That's shocking.

Do you know if your ex-husband remarried, and is now supporting other children with the money he apparently doesn't have?

If you both are not Qatari nationals how can you get a divorce in Qatar? I mean in that case the law of your country applies for the divorce, doesn't it?

But one thing is right: be happy you can keep the children. I was told about a case when a Qatari died and his wife (foreigner) was told by his family the children don't belong to her, she can go back home but without the kids. What kinda sick rule is this???

If your ex is a Qatari he must have more than that. Playing on the feelings of his family might backfire - what if they decide they want to keep the kids? Playing with his reputation could either get you what you want or bring you in even more troubles. I don't really think talking to him leads anywhere. Anyway, if you fight against a local ex your chances are not high...

Irrysa, you're right, in Europe we have a better system. Fathers have to pay no matter what. If they don't, it's deducted from their salaries. If they resign their driving license is gone and it's deducted from their social support. In certain cases they even have to pay for their ex-wife. But here... women aren't worth a dime, really. They don't inherit a fair share, their word is worth half of a man's word at court, they can lose their children in case of divorce easily. Not sure how much a prenuptial contract would help as they could say it's against their legal system thus it's not valid. It's just the same with marriage documents issued in Qatar - invalid in my country. I don't really believe there is a fair win situation for a woman here even though I wish it from the bottom of my heart...

This is sad...

Andeee and Bint_Maldeni... these is one of those few reasons for which I really appreciate the developed countries.... The females are economically independent and hence can take decisions ..financial... on there own...

Of course Divorce is not anything recommended.. but if its inevitable.... Why the GCC fellow doesn want to pay for the kids.. his kids are his responsibility....

DAmn... this is bad...

Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.

wow..what is 300 nowadays...

if the man cannot really afford 300 then what should he do? if he is qatari he must be able to do better than that, unless he is very bad financial manager...

I think the court should check his financial commitments and see what is left over and decide how much for child accordingly not just believe what the man says if this is the case anyway..

Have you tried social systems around here?

oh - and no I was not married to a Qatari - a GCC national bas he was not Qatari....

Hi there - sorry guys was out to lunch....

Yes the QR300 was decided by the courts and it actually started out at QR200 cause the ex said he could not afford more. Basically I was told if you want the boys this is the scenario take it or leave it... if you want to fight for more or you think you need more to bring them up then leave them with their father... It took me 8 long years in the courts to get my final divorce and it is not something I would want anyone to have to go thru cause I was basically treated as if I was "nothing" everything came back to "if you want it fine - if not thats your problem". Forget lawyers cause thats an additional expense that you dont need cause beleive it or not even with a lawyer you still got to go to court...

i think u can ask for more money in the court... it is not like these r only ur kids u know.

i feel so sorry for he mess and worries u must be in right now.

i really don't know how it is done in here, but in europe, father has to pay for his kids till they start working or till they finish school or become i think 24-26...whichever comes first.

can u take a good lawyer, who wldn't waste ur time and money for this?

i cannot think of any other thing in here.

i have other idea, but... how old r ur kids?

if u know they will not play fair, as in him and his family...play on their feelings. father, grandparents and so on...if u will have no other way.

ur kids have no fault in this whole case and they deserve the best for them. sometimes a mother has to play the situation, for the greater good.

when u will re-marry, and i wish u that u will find a real man for u, just in case, sign a prenup and state all ur needs...just in case. after all, we r only human.

good luck!

If you're looking for a problem, you're probably gonna find one.

Andee, you really married a Qatari? Why? How? Weren't you afraid of what would happen?

I'm very sorry for you ladies, hope things will turn to better for you. He must pay for his kids as they are also his! Good that he didn't want to take them away from you though... Never stop fighting, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

I agree but maybe no one told the judge about this though i would think he should ask!

have you tried opening this case with the court again or start a new one? does cost anything? money or otherwise?

is the father really that mean to not pay enough??

I am sorry if i am involving myself in non of my business!

yes it was correctly laid.

but the court has seem to forget abt the childs compensation. It was not included in the "hukum" and I was told that If i want anything else, then i should go back to court...and thats it!

on my view..since divorce was the subjet and a child is involved, then the judge couldve automatically brought this up....

based on his judgement and my understanding is that whenever I need something for my daughter, i have to open a case....

I don't have view bint maldeni but I am sure court should subject this to Islamic law..children should be funded factoring in economic situation..the father should give you enough funding for children!

if he is not kind enough to look after his child, court should oblige him to pay enough. I hope the case was laid correctly infront of court and if not, take it to court!

CuriousButDetermined... i think its now time to share ur views if you know any...

why was it not discussed? why someone involved did not put his views infront of court? were they not allowed to speak?

someone just told me... but definitely not from court...

well my question is, why was this not brought up, during the time that we were going to court....only things that were discussed is divorce & visitation rights of the father...

where did you get the 25% from?

well as for the info I got, it shud b 25% of the fatehr's salary... yes nowadays 300 is nothing!

my daughter's milk alone is abt 600-750 a month..

Andee..was the 300 figure estimated by the court?

When I got divorced I got QR300 for each child... do you think that is worth asking for ??? what can you do with that ?? nothing....

what abt the children's expenses?? what do u mean???

The childrens compensation is not even worth talking or discussing cause it is so pitiful you would not even want to accept it... trust me I speak from experience...

As for the dowry - cannot answer that cause being a foreigner I did not get the dowry yet was expected to abide by all the other rules !!!!