Keeping wild animals as pets is just as cruel as keeping them in a zoo. At least in a zoo they may be kept by professionals who actually know how to keep them, be fed a proper diet and have the chance to live in social groups.
People who parade them round as pets rarely feed them the right diet, don't allow them to behave naturally and then wonder why the animal turns and attacks them.
its better than keeping them in cages in the zoo or i am wrong? we let someone to take care of them dont worry about that just try to feed your dogs and keep them alive. some people buy dogs and dont have money to feed them so..
to me i would say wild animals with their teeth out are safer than any dog alive, and god bless all cheetahs and some dogs specially huskies (i like them i always do) post some pictures of your dogs and maybe i will edit my comment and add your dogs breeds :p
....A couple of local TV shows have been recently warning carers of wild animals they would be penalized by virtue of the pertinent law. They particularly discussed Cheetah, leopard and snake carers taking their "pets" out on the streets for a show.
A woman plead on TV that while she stopped her car for the red light, the guy in the passenger seat of the next car waved his thick snake at her and the passengers sitting at the back, as if he were to throw it at them.
She should've reported them, but she didn't. She probably is not well informed about her legal rights.
Note: there is more than one Cheetah carer in Qatar. (I haven't seen any on the street, yet)
The animals at the zoo fall under the Ministry of Environment and any complaints go straight there. We've worked with the zoo directly trying to get enrichment programs in place for the animals but they don't ever follow them.
The zoo has a tiny budget and the head vet there is a great guy who has huge ideas on how to improve everything but none of his superiors will authorise the budget to do so.
The zoo keepers have no training and are just cleaners who don't care about the animals at all. We're trying to get as many people as possible to take photos and submit them with a letter of complaint to the Ministry of Enviroment to try and get them to see how bad it is. The same goes for the pet shops and Souq Waqif as well.
How long have you lived in Qatar now just out of interest?
Telling us to "level down if we want to earn a living" is a joke. Don't insult me by trying to tell me how to live. I've been a part of animal welfare in Qatar for years now and the "he'll get you deported" card just doesn't work anymore.
QAWS reports people for a whole number of violations all the time. Every license plate number, mobile number & photo gets delivered to the necessary authorities, whether it be someone driving around with a doped up Cheetah, a pet shop selling illegal animals or someone whose stolen a dog. If it doesn't get any further than that then at least we've tried to help the animal by bringing it to the attention of the authorities.
I'm sure he has a license. Anyone with the right family name can get one. And I'm sure he treats it as well as he thinks it should be treated. But I doubt it's enough.
Having a piece of paper doesn't mean it's morally right to own a big cat, rip it's claws out, take it's teeth out, drug it to the eyeballs and parade it round in public places like some people do. It doesn't give you permission to put the lives of hundreds of people in danger by taking your big cat to a crowded car park and getting it out to pose with. Having a license still doesn't mean they are regulated by the authorities or have their facilities checked.
There are people here with wild animals with so called "licenses" that don't take care of them. Go to any vet and ask them how many sick and dying cheetah cubs they see every year because they're not looked after.
I'm sure he is a nice guy. I just think he sees his cheetah more of a status symbol then a dangerous wild animal.
I took down this douche's license plate ages ago and tried to report it, I was told to bugger off and mind my own business unless I wanted a one way ticket out of here. This guy is untouchable, he does have a license for the animal, and I was told (but I'm not sure if it's true) that he actually rescued the animal from a "friend" in Saudi, who was keeping it in a tiny cage, and that the animal can't stand to be kept in a cage and is "afraid" to leave it's owners side. Sounds like horseshit to me, but hey, I was told to shut up.
I am still stuck on the mental image of seeing a cheetah on a leash walking through the lobby of the W. Sorry, I'm afraid my baser instincts would gain ascendancy and I would gawp like a rubber-necker at an accident. The small-town kid in me would go, "Oh, my God, that is SO cool!" My bad.
Sorry i misunderstood proxy just like you misunderstood everything i am saying.
so if it happens that i know a friend with a cheetah and if it also happens that I am telling people that this guy got some power to own a LICENSED Cheetah, then I am a suck up.
wow.. I just hope you do not apply this logic in your daily life.
If you are at this stage of life, then maybe it is time to go live in a nicer place UK boy? unless if you really like it here, which would point out your severely bad lifestyle taste. You are not at the stage yet brother, wake up and stop swimming in your own piss.
A solely chicken diet won't be good for him. Assuming he is a 40kg cheetah, he should be having around 2200 - 2500 kcal 6 days a week with supplemented vitamins and calcium. He should be getting a commercial big cat feed daily with chicken/meat added once or twice a week as well as the supplements.
John I don't know if you did not read my previous comment but the guy does have a license for his animal and I personally saw it.
Now i don't know why you think I am an ass kisser, knowing that MOST UK people at where I work SUCK UP and KISS ARS more than they inhale oxygen. But the fact remains that In Doha, If you a guy in a certain circle of people wants you out, you are getting out buddy. ( i am not with these acts, but they happen every day and will always happen )
it only takes ONE ok, for anyone to be deported here.
You don't have to be a lil baby and proxy bash others.
and they should be illegal. But when someone brings his cheetah to a 5 star hotel like W to visit his buddy in his apt at W, then to me, the guy is kinda untouchable.
The cheetah is 3 years old now.. Very healthy and gets fed about 6 chickens every day.
If someone wanted to own a big cat, gave it a specially designed enclosure which satisfied all of it's natural behaviours, fed it a natural diet, treated it with respect and had strict safety proceedures in place for all aspects of owning the cat and be PROPERLY regulated with all the correct licenses and documents (not just buying a license from a friend) then so be it. We don't like it but at least it's well looked after.
But having it on a collar and lead in a public place, with little respect for it's power, keeping it in a barren cage in the garden, not feeding it the right diet, de-clawing, drugging and de-fanging it - it's not on.
We are here to educate people on all aspects of animal welfare including wild and endangered animals. QAWS is a member of the Species Survival Network (SSN) which works alongside CITES to regulate endangered animals, which a cheetah is.
Leaving a cheetah locked in a LandCruiser in the underground car park of LandMark shopping mall with no A/C and no windows cracked.... That's just animal cruelty.
Liking wild animals is not equivalent to liking cocaine. But if you really do, you should go ahead and do it..u live once buddy... Just do it where it is allowed..
But really, why do you guys like to put your nose into everything and anything? I mean the guy likes wild pets, he can afford having them and feeding them and allowing them space to run.. what is wrong in this?
I understand if it is causing danger to others or him starving it.. Why do actors in Hollywood are allowed having wild animals?
if everyone minds their own business the world would be amazing
Whoa! Has anybody read Quagmire's profile? So he's an Italian male escort whose interests are primarily "haram and illegal"? I don't mean to draw any inferences here, but ...
So far the cheetahs and all the other wild animals kept here have not mauled anyone, but that is only because they are drugged into oblivion, thing is they get used to it..and then...bloodbath.
i know the guy. You wanna call the cites office to confiscate his cheetah?? loool
This particular guy can get you, your family, your friends, your friends' friends deported in 12 hours from Doha if he wants. Plus he has license for his Cheetah and is about to own a white tiger soon. Really cool guy though.
I can give you his phone number if you insist... it is a VERY easy number too heheh ;)
Child/Owner/Stranger... It doesn't matter who it is, you can guarentee that the animal will be blamed and will be destroyed. Just because some idiot wanted to show off.
Note to people wanting cheetahs to show off - get a Veyron instead. Then I'll be impressed :D
The person handing out licences is thwarting decades old trade embargoes in cheetahs, an endangered specises....
Who exactly is regulating this? not this person who is handing out licences... if he was.... he'd know that every person with a cheetah in their vehicle is violating the first law of owning a wild animal... and that is putting the lives of bystanders in danger....
I am soooo waiting for someone (preferably a child) to be mauled by a cheetah or tiger.... I will be standing in the wings laughing...(not at the child) but at the idiot who has to explain why his cheetah(tame pet but wild animal) mauled someone....
CITES just don't do the job they have been sent to do here....
And its not just one guy. there are many. You need to get a license from the concerned department and you can keep one. Getting the license is not that easy!!! I know an expat staying in Al Khor who is trying hard to get the license.
I know it's wrong but I must admit..it's kinda cool to have a wild animal as a pet. Others have snakes, Elton John I think has a cub(maybe a lion now). :P
epicurean: you must be new here. I guess I thought it was more than one guy. Anyway, I saw a guy cruising around with a cheetah riding shotgun at the Port of Doha.
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I'm afraid I disagree.
Keeping wild animals as pets is just as cruel as keeping them in a zoo. At least in a zoo they may be kept by professionals who actually know how to keep them, be fed a proper diet and have the chance to live in social groups.
People who parade them round as pets rarely feed them the right diet, don't allow them to behave naturally and then wonder why the animal turns and attacks them.
its better than keeping them in cages in the zoo or i am wrong? we let someone to take care of them dont worry about that just try to feed your dogs and keep them alive. some people buy dogs and dont have money to feed them so..
close conversation.
Right.... And you don't find removing the teeth of a wild animal just so someone can have it as a show-piece pet inhumane?
while i was in the bus going to uni in a nice sunny day in Brighton i was reading the famous Metro newspaper and was shocked by this article,
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/802402-police-knew-john-paul-masseys-home-was-breeding-den-for-dogs
to me i would say wild animals with their teeth out are safer than any dog alive, and god bless all cheetahs and some dogs specially huskies (i like them i always do) post some pictures of your dogs and maybe i will edit my comment and add your dogs breeds :p
....A couple of local TV shows have been recently warning carers of wild animals they would be penalized by virtue of the pertinent law. They particularly discussed Cheetah, leopard and snake carers taking their "pets" out on the streets for a show.
A woman plead on TV that while she stopped her car for the red light, the guy in the passenger seat of the next car waved his thick snake at her and the passengers sitting at the back, as if he were to throw it at them.
She should've reported them, but she didn't. She probably is not well informed about her legal rights.
Note: there is more than one Cheetah carer in Qatar. (I haven't seen any on the street, yet)
Thanks for the explanation.
The animals at the zoo fall under the Ministry of Environment and any complaints go straight there. We've worked with the zoo directly trying to get enrichment programs in place for the animals but they don't ever follow them.
The zoo has a tiny budget and the head vet there is a great guy who has huge ideas on how to improve everything but none of his superiors will authorise the budget to do so.
The zoo keepers have no training and are just cleaners who don't care about the animals at all. We're trying to get as many people as possible to take photos and submit them with a letter of complaint to the Ministry of Enviroment to try and get them to see how bad it is. The same goes for the pet shops and Souq Waqif as well.
With whom have you complained about the condition of the animals in the zoo?
chelsea,
Not that long. Ok do not level down! Go to war with a royalty guy who's watch is more expensive than your house and 2 cars.
me and my friend is arguing what type of animal was that... but i think and told her it was a cheetah!!!
I find it so cooollll!!!
How long have you lived in Qatar now just out of interest?
Telling us to "level down if we want to earn a living" is a joke. Don't insult me by trying to tell me how to live. I've been a part of animal welfare in Qatar for years now and the "he'll get you deported" card just doesn't work anymore.
QAWS reports people for a whole number of violations all the time. Every license plate number, mobile number & photo gets delivered to the necessary authorities, whether it be someone driving around with a doped up Cheetah, a pet shop selling illegal animals or someone whose stolen a dog. If it doesn't get any further than that then at least we've tried to help the animal by bringing it to the attention of the authorities.
I'm sure he has a license. Anyone with the right family name can get one. And I'm sure he treats it as well as he thinks it should be treated. But I doubt it's enough.
Having a piece of paper doesn't mean it's morally right to own a big cat, rip it's claws out, take it's teeth out, drug it to the eyeballs and parade it round in public places like some people do. It doesn't give you permission to put the lives of hundreds of people in danger by taking your big cat to a crowded car park and getting it out to pose with. Having a license still doesn't mean they are regulated by the authorities or have their facilities checked.
There are people here with wild animals with so called "licenses" that don't take care of them. Go to any vet and ask them how many sick and dying cheetah cubs they see every year because they're not looked after.
I'm sure he is a nice guy. I just think he sees his cheetah more of a status symbol then a dangerous wild animal.
I took down this douche's license plate ages ago and tried to report it, I was told to bugger off and mind my own business unless I wanted a one way ticket out of here. This guy is untouchable, he does have a license for the animal, and I was told (but I'm not sure if it's true) that he actually rescued the animal from a "friend" in Saudi, who was keeping it in a tiny cage, and that the animal can't stand to be kept in a cage and is "afraid" to leave it's owners side. Sounds like horseshit to me, but hey, I was told to shut up.
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My little html skills don't seem to work!
I am still stuck on the mental image of seeing a cheetah on a leash walking through the lobby of the W. Sorry, I'm afraid my baser instincts would gain ascendancy and I would gawp like a rubber-necker at an accident. The small-town kid in me would go, "Oh, my God, that is SO cool!" My bad.
Mandi
John, you still crying about it...
you think I like people deporting others?!.. SADLY it happens.
Same guy deported an American after a they had an accident and the US dude said a bad word to him at Ramada signal.
I just advised the person who called him an Idiot and wanted his number, to level down if they wanna earn a living here.
John, let's move on man. It's all good.
Quite so JOA....you are right! Cat's don't use a toilet! Dogs do if they are trained to do so!
haha that was my theory.
dude i would feed him gold plated bird seeds if it was mine..
No wonder the falcon was trained to fly back to the original seller!@
Next time around he will sell it for 100,000 USD ........SUCKER!~
hahah dude they sold a friend of mine a supposedly trained Falcon. First desert hunting visit, that thing flew away and neva came back.
50,000 USD was the cost of the falcon :)
Someone please explain....can a wild animal like cheetah be potty trained before 4 weeks of age.
Don't you find it a bit fishy?
I think the ad is a bit exaggerated!
Sorry i misunderstood proxy just like you misunderstood everything i am saying.
so if it happens that i know a friend with a cheetah and if it also happens that I am telling people that this guy got some power to own a LICENSED Cheetah, then I am a suck up.
wow.. I just hope you do not apply this logic in your daily life.
If you are at this stage of life, then maybe it is time to go live in a nicer place UK boy? unless if you really like it here, which would point out your severely bad lifestyle taste. You are not at the stage yet brother, wake up and stop swimming in your own piss.
4 weeks old and potty trained......there is something wrong here!
A solely chicken diet won't be good for him. Assuming he is a 40kg cheetah, he should be having around 2200 - 2500 kcal 6 days a week with supplemented vitamins and calcium. He should be getting a commercial big cat feed daily with chicken/meat added once or twice a week as well as the supplements.
John I don't know if you did not read my previous comment but the guy does have a license for his animal and I personally saw it.
Now i don't know why you think I am an ass kisser, knowing that MOST UK people at where I work SUCK UP and KISS ARS more than they inhale oxygen. But the fact remains that In Doha, If you a guy in a certain circle of people wants you out, you are getting out buddy. ( i am not with these acts, but they happen every day and will always happen )
it only takes ONE ok, for anyone to be deported here.
You don't have to be a lil baby and proxy bash others.
and they should be illegal. But when someone brings his cheetah to a 5 star hotel like W to visit his buddy in his apt at W, then to me, the guy is kinda untouchable.
The cheetah is 3 years old now.. Very healthy and gets fed about 6 chickens every day.
In Qatar both are illegal mate.
Cheetahs can be owned privately.
IF they are respected.
But they are not.
If someone wanted to own a big cat, gave it a specially designed enclosure which satisfied all of it's natural behaviours, fed it a natural diet, treated it with respect and had strict safety proceedures in place for all aspects of owning the cat and be PROPERLY regulated with all the correct licenses and documents (not just buying a license from a friend) then so be it. We don't like it but at least it's well looked after.
But having it on a collar and lead in a public place, with little respect for it's power, keeping it in a barren cage in the garden, not feeding it the right diet, de-clawing, drugging and de-fanging it - it's not on.
We are here to educate people on all aspects of animal welfare including wild and endangered animals. QAWS is a member of the Species Survival Network (SSN) which works alongside CITES to regulate endangered animals, which a cheetah is.
Leaving a cheetah locked in a LandCruiser in the underground car park of LandMark shopping mall with no A/C and no windows cracked.... That's just animal cruelty.
common sense gkramer,
Liking wild animals is not equivalent to liking cocaine. But if you really do, you should go ahead and do it..u live once buddy... Just do it where it is allowed..
So Mandi? what is your point lol
quagmire I like cocaine. I can afford having it and will have it in the privacy of my home. Should I be allowed to have it?
This guy was killed by his tiger:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/01/10/ont-man-tiger.html
This kid was killed by a tiger in a zoo:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4051469&page=1
This guy was killed by a tiger he worked with:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1188880/Zoo-keeper-mauled-death-rare-white-tiger-horrified-tourists.html
This girl was killed whilst having her photo taken with a tiger:
http://topeka.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/father-files-suit-after-daughter-killed-by-tiger.aspx?googleid=203316
Do I need to go on....
ohhh, dark and handsome and risque...wallah!
sick as in awesome.. sorry my bad hehe
But really, why do you guys like to put your nose into everything and anything? I mean the guy likes wild pets, he can afford having them and feeding them and allowing them space to run.. what is wrong in this?
I understand if it is causing danger to others or him starving it.. Why do actors in Hollywood are allowed having wild animals?
if everyone minds their own business the world would be amazing
Whoa! Has anybody read Quagmire's profile? So he's an Italian male escort whose interests are primarily "haram and illegal"? I don't mean to draw any inferences here, but ...
Mandi
gkramer, sucking up is American people's specialty in this city. Yes you guys cope well with the culture yeah? ;) you money loving degenerates ;)
He is a good friend (friendship does exist in this culture, unlike in the US dude)
Wasn't Roy (of Sigfried and Roy) mauled by his own white tiger? He almost died.
Mandi
Is the Cheetah called Aiisha?
If it's sick it needs to go to a vet. It's cruel to have a sick animal and not treat it.
Ah yes, i heard he was to get a new pet....
Many times we've been threatened with deportation over the years because we're "interfering".
Normally it means the person is doing something illegal/morally wrong and they know they've been caught.
he's got a phantom and one of the only very few Rs6s...
He is not an idiot chelsea, not that i agree to owning a wild animal. But to each of us the things we like in life.
His cheetah is SICK and very friendly tho...scary when you see it but as friendly as a dog.
So far the cheetahs and all the other wild animals kept here have not mauled anyone, but that is only because they are drugged into oblivion, thing is they get used to it..and then...bloodbath.
quagmire is that why you are sucking up to him because he can get you deported if he wants?
Don't care!
I like Doha.....but it's been quite a while here....... so
would love to be deported!
You clearly haven't heard about the others that have been confiscated...
hehehe
i know the guy. You wanna call the cites office to confiscate his cheetah?? loool
This particular guy can get you, your family, your friends, your friends' friends deported in 12 hours from Doha if he wants. Plus he has license for his Cheetah and is about to own a white tiger soon. Really cool guy though.
I can give you his phone number if you insist... it is a VERY easy number too heheh ;)
Child/Owner/Stranger... It doesn't matter who it is, you can guarentee that the animal will be blamed and will be destroyed. Just because some idiot wanted to show off.
Note to people wanting cheetahs to show off - get a Veyron instead. Then I'll be impressed :D
Xena...why a child? the child is innocent.
Why not let the cheetah maul its owner!
Having a cheetah is cool???
Ya right, only after smoking some weed.
It's very easy to get permission if you have the right family name. Expats will never be allowed.
It is against the international law of CITES that Qatar is a part of, to import cheetahs as a personal pet.
Forget what they do once they're here, just the fact that they ARE here is against CITES.
The person handing out licences is thwarting decades old trade embargoes in cheetahs, an endangered specises....
Who exactly is regulating this? not this person who is handing out licences... if he was.... he'd know that every person with a cheetah in their vehicle is violating the first law of owning a wild animal... and that is putting the lives of bystanders in danger....
May he soon be dealt with accordingly...
I am soooo waiting for someone (preferably a child) to be mauled by a cheetah or tiger.... I will be standing in the wings laughing...(not at the child) but at the idiot who has to explain why his cheetah(tame pet but wild animal) mauled someone....
CITES just don't do the job they have been sent to do here....
And its not just one guy. there are many. You need to get a license from the concerned department and you can keep one. Getting the license is not that easy!!! I know an expat staying in Al Khor who is trying hard to get the license.
let's see what they think of him when the cheetah mauls him on the face one day...
i saw him once in intercon.. I want to get a picture with the cheetah in his car but he refused... hehe...
in case you find his contacts please post it here so that i can get a pic with the cheetah :)
Hahahaha....Gud one LP..(he is?!)
oh no..i hav never seen .... cheetah!!!!!! in SUV
But Elton John is gay. He needs a substitute.
I know it's wrong but I must admit..it's kinda cool to have a wild animal as a pet. Others have snakes, Elton John I think has a cub(maybe a lion now). :P
ya i too !!
saw it too...
Are you sure? Cheetah is a wild animal and fastest running animal ever recorded. Maybe what you saw in that SUV is a persian CAT! Lol----
epicurean: you must be new here. I guess I thought it was more than one guy. Anyway, I saw a guy cruising around with a cheetah riding shotgun at the Port of Doha.
What?? A cheetah?? I haven't seen that yet.
Yes, again and again, until the moron is captured.
Not this again.... DEJAVU
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/845976
Wonder if it's a leopard or a cheetah or the both are out there.....
If you find his details - let me know please.
Then I'll report him to the CITES office so they can confiscate the poor cheetah and get it into a proper sanctuary for wild animals.
i saw him twice but neva contacted him... stick notice in al-meera supermarts, let him contact you... ;)
Why?