Ban on salesmen in lingerie section mulled

GOOD LORD all mighty...inserting the what a who in the male's urinary a what? ok i didnt need to read such a thing before dinner :(

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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I want the husband be allowed to enter in the delivery room and see by himself how his wife is suffering while in pain during labor stage! why????? so that the husband will respect and love more his wife and be more responsible.

hahahahahaa!!!! pity female indians buying husbands!!!! disgusting!!!!

arecel is this your first time to see a male ob-gyns???? where you are in this planet?????(sorry!)what about female nurses inserting urinary catheter to male patients? for us in medical profession this is not a big issue because we protect the privacy of our patients whether male or female. we respect their rights and everything is confidential. we are just doing our duties and responsibilities which is to take care of the sick patients without any malice at all.

HaHa! a henpecked ex-husband!

sometimes if i forgot to buy sanitary napkins i used to send my ex-husband to buy for me. C`mon guys we are living in the 20th century so i dont find it awkward or embarssing if a salesmen are assigned in the undergarments section for female!!!

Amoud, then babies with fat heads are bad for the wife!

men should be out of lingerie...whats the problem in having females.....the best way is that lady customers who are offended must give it in writing to the management of such stores....it will work!!!

Indeed, heaven lies underneath our Mother's feet.

Blue

"Whatever God does, He does it in love. he never take one thing away from you without giving you back something better".

it's all about maturity.

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

you seek knowledge, you will be comfortable. No knowledge, it will always be ............

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

:-)

I hope my brother doesn't read this..

you are bad :-)

One step forward a giant leap backwards

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Lol, I gotta poke a little fun now Kareena.......

The chap was crying because he saw what the babies head did to his wife.... full of sorrow thinking it will never be the same again....

Sorry... I couldnt resist :D

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

What if the wife is going to deliver by Caesarian. How do you expect the man to feel the pain and everything then? lol... its an advanced world now... they even stopped the ways for pain.. lol

Salesman......female's privacy......preganancy & childbirth......support from husband.....moral & lessons.....importance of mothers and her status.....parenting

Great progress! GO AHEAD

We have really hijacked the thread to an absolutely diff topic.. From salesmen to parenting....

and agree with Speedbhai as well;

Heaven lies underneath of Mother's feet!

We understand the worth and real value of our parents only when we become parents and realise the pains and patience required to make our children grow up and if we lost them.

Sorry for hijacking the thread but an important note.

women sales staff in the lingerie section, Amoud. I was merely providing an argument that there are times when a man's opinion might be more welcome/useful.

I don't have a problem with stores staffing either men or women in various sections of their store, as long as they are knowledgable about the products. I fully understand, however, that many women here would be more comfortable with female sales staff when it concerns intimate apparel.

I DO, however, think that it's ridiculous that there needs to be a LAW about this. Qatar doesn't even enforce what laws it DOES have on the books. I'd rather see them tackle some more important issues (ensuring that children ride in the back seat and that passengers all buckle up, punishment of employers for non-payment of wages to laborers, etc.) first.

who said men aren't allowed in the labor room??? At least at Al-Ahli hospital they allowed.. My sister-in-law delivered recently and my brother was with her holding her hand in the labor room.. He actually saw the baby coming out.. He had tears in his eyes when he came out of the labor room.. He always loved his wife but has starting respecting and appreciating her even more since he saw that.. Not only that, he has really started to value our mother because now he knows what our mother had gone thru to bring him into this world.. Ever man should see his wife deliver his baby.. It would change his entire perception about women.. This goes especially for the MCP's

Ummjake, if I have issue with the bra fitting etc at least I can take the lady saleperson into the fitting room with me to try and sort out the problem without being arrested.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Lets try the shoe on a different foot as it were.

If you are a man and you are going to buy sexy lingerie for your wife or girlfriend ,would you feel bettter asking a lady clerk for advice or a man . Personally I would prefer to ask a lady clerk.

I also do think it is more appropriate to have lady sales clerks in a lingerie store.

i personally believe that salesmen should not be on the lingerie women's section for obvious reason. It is fittingly awkward for a woman to ask what is best for her if the salesperson is a man.

Just for the sake of argument...

I doubt most sales ladies have tried on ALL the various brands and styles of bras so that they could honestly tell you whether this one was more comfortable or not.

Additionally, everyone's 'girls' are different and unique, so what's good for you may not be what's good for someone else, and vice-versa...

So realistically, a sales person is simply telling you what they think you want to hear, to make the sale.

To be honest, depending upon the purpose for such a purchase (are you looking for a nursing bra or something more va-va-va-voom for a special evening with your man?), it might well be MORE useful to hear a man's opinion of some lingerie rather than a woman's.

Just food for thought...

lingerie section all male? Does it mean that there are no female sales clerks around? If that's the case, really strange!

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

Hmm, do you think a guy will be able to tell you if a certain bra is comfortable and such? I also dont want the guy giving me advice on what I should wear ("yes madam, thigh high stocking will go great with this")

I had an incident where i bought lingerie, then found out the salesguy was a friend of my husbands.....

This is ladies stuff and I fell more comfortable with taking advice from someone who has the same bits to fill the stuff out. __________________________________________________

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

what when a child is placed on mother's chest immediately after the birth ? where does all those pain goes withing seconds?

This is a Gift of God...

I personally feel that these pains at the time of delivery are basically a love between mother and a child. That is why we see most of the children are closed to their mothers as compare to father :-)

Back to topic:

by the way we were talking about Salesmen and saleswomen selling opposite sex undergarments ;-)

I think we are discussing things according to region and culture.

According to this region and culture, they should not allow such practice.

I think many of us are wondering about that, given recent crackdowns on things in Doha (Garvey's closing, membership requirements for clubs, etc.).

I am sensing a definite change in things here. Years ago, Qatar used to behave like KSA's little brother. Then they started flexing their muscles a bit and began showing more independence, turning more towards the Dubai model of things (though they were never quite that loose and open). Now it feels like they're clamping down again.

I guess stuff like this goes in waves in this part of the world. Society develops and becomes more open, then the religious right get irritated so they restrict things for awhile, then things relax a bit more...and back and forth.

I think we're in the "clamping down" phase at the moment.

So hang on -- it's going to be a bumpy ride!

they should keep salesladies in men's section! some times men needs a feminine advice:)... i guess same for ladies..hehe

Does Qatar see the model for ME being more like Saudi rather than Dubai?

You are in Qatar! only coffee or tea...

no beer in public..lol ....you can have a bear instead..for company..lol

Rizks..why would you go to pharmacies to buy Balloons?

it's the only place you could see, feel and touch ladies undergarments aside those worn by our commander-in-chiefs! Lol!!!

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

What about banning male customers in these stores?

I have done some shopping in the past in Ann Summers Stores...

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anyways what a man could do at such shops,

don't you guys feel erotic (Rizk and Speedbhai)...

Speedbhai: I had never seen a female selling men undergarments.

it is indeed like going through the hell.

all the prayers for your safe procedure in the future..and don't forget to give me good news along with cake!!:-)

and when that time comes, better my husband beside me or i'll raise hell in the delivery room. lol..

indlad, i can't imagine...well, in the near future i might know what it's all about..

right arecel.. really it's even hard to imagine the quantum of pain at the time of giving birht

FS - not a bad idea, I wish it was a beer pub insead of a coffee shop :)

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Listen to Many..Speak to a few.

next to lingerie store in The Mall and Landmark.

Even in India, Doctor advise husband's to standby during delivery to support wife.

I second you on that...

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

And FS I think you also have a business partner...lol

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

in my opinion, husbands should be allowed at the delivery room ,if they choose to, not only to support the wife but also to experience for himself the delivery process, if only vicariously. and i think that would make him understand the risks and the pains of child birth. good for those with macho complex who thinks having many kids shows their masculinity. wateve...

Seriously...does this even need to be discussed?

If you aren't happy with a male sales person or a male gynecologist, then find a female one.

Personally I have no problem if the person helping me is a man or a woman, as long as they are knowledgable about what they're talking about. Ditto for my doctors.

And yes, in the West we're allowed to have men (husband, father, boyfriend, friend) in the delivery room with us when we deliver. Again, it's our choice.

I think I should start a ladies only lingerie shop soon..lol Men stricly not allowed..lol and a waitin room for all men outside...you can start a coffee shop for them..lol

and I think that particular response was for Rizks..lol

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

What a comparison!!LOL

The same choice you have in lingeri store, dear victor.

Imho, I don't mind the man selling lingerie or delivering baby...lol. It might be unusual here and in this cultural scene but in my country I have seen large/ even corner lingerie stores with all male sellspersons.

But I really don't know if there are male gyncs in Rumailah, so can't comment...

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

a male doc with salesman...

A male professional (gyn) doctor; always attend with a female assistant.

Secondly, it is all depend with which doc one is

comfortable with, a matter of personal choice - Male or female.

Am I right ladies?

dmightysolomon it's not in your hand to chose a male and female gyneac

BTW have you been to such circumstances? I doubt!!!

shreeya.. I think we are discussin in context to qatar

where they are strict with unusual things.

choose a female to assist you, again, what's the problem?????????

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

if someone doesn't want a male Ob-Gyne, so don't. What's the problem?????????????

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

In India the labor rooms are so crowded and there is sooo much 'ooh', and 'aah' and 'Ouch' going on every corner that it certainly can not be a pleasnt experience for the husband. Again other women may feel uncomfortable if a man other than Dr. is present in a labor room. So, better seat outside and wait for a Peda or Burfy!!!!

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

during labor..it wont make a diff...he ..she or a shemale..lol but prior appoinments and some complications its really hard to explain and let them examine..lol

What's the point of having an exculsive women's hospital ..when they have a male doctor in the labor room..lol

right arecel...why they check up the patients internally, pre & post partum state

Doesn't it evoke so called cultural consciousness?

Shreeya...i'm trying to present by those lawmaker's point of view

why they raise up against one thing and overlook other related most serious matter

lol Shreeya.....

Why are the husbands not allowed to enter the labour room or the delivery room ? i think in UK etc. they allow - if i am not wrong ?

shreeya, during labor no problem i think. as you said, once you are in pain, no mothers-to-be will be so picky. but during pre-natal or annual physical check up, that's another thing...

My Gync in India was male and the only choice available in our co. hospital. BTW, when you are in labor, you are just sooo focussed on that 'push', 'push' and 'push' that it just doesn't matter who is there by you, a male or female or gay or lesbo...lol

Life is never boring, but some people choose to be bored.... Boredom is a choice. - Wayne W.

correct indlad! lots of pretensions here..

I think they are ok with a male gyanec checking one's wife vAgina(sorry to be blunt..but no other word) with his hands BUT feel awkward asking a salesman for lingerie

UTTER HYPOCRISY

Yeah! We used to say that "COMMON SENSE IS UNCOMMON", ya? sounds so easy but not really.

Smiles...

Blue

"Whatever God does, He does it in love. he never take one thing away from you without giving you back something better".

indlad....you are right...

why do they even give admission to male doc's for specialization in Obs & Gync

and out of all these specialization why are they choosing gync??

Wonder if any female would be comfortable with a male Gync?

thanks blueocean....it seems common sense is not common at all 'round here!

This is my main concern as a woman too! But i get by by finding a female Ob-Gyne always... smiles...

Blue

"Whatever God does, He does it in love. he never take one thing away from you without giving you back something better".

thats' another issue. male ob-gyns? ekkkkkkk......

Nice thoughts guys... but let me give the best credit to arecel... COMMON SENSE INDEED!

Cheers arecel!

"Whatever God does, He does it in love. he never take one thing away from you without giving you back something better".

OK no salesman in lingerie store!! What about male doctors in Obs & gyn. department of hamad hospital checking up the patient body's intimate parts

hayyy, common sense. for lingerie sections, ladies staff only. no need to enact laws. risks, you can just pick up the condoms in its shelves, no need to ask for it from the counter staffs.:)

LoL FS......

Didn't the sound of the slap echo'd in the store ?? :)

makes sense to post female sales people in the women's clothing sections (not just lingerie), and male sales staff in the men's sections, but does there really have to be a LAW to do this? Not everything has to be prescribed and mandated, and this is one of those things, I think.

Shopping is a voluntary activity (not like a medical clinic or a bank or a ministry where necessary or official business has to be done), and if a particular shop makes you uncomfortable because they have men staffing their lingerie sections, then simply don't go there!

If certain shops don't staff their lingerie sections with women, then hopefully they will find their sales dropping off as the female customers feel awkward with the men around...and pretty soon I think they will change their staffing. And if not, then simply go shopping elsewhere people.

Reminds me of an incident ...My ex-boss (Brit)was living in Saudi before...his wife once went to a store..she was looking at t-shirts..the salesman just could help trying it on her...he kept it on her and nicely tried to feel everything..ROFL and told madam it looks very good for you.. that lady asked him to come to a corner and gave him one good slap on his face...he said thank you...and just pretended as if nothing happened..lol

lol Kareena....

Isn't tat an unhygenic practise ?

Victor bhatt, why is it erotic ?

By the way it was Valentines day and we had do some shopping at these places ...:)

Women are not even allowed to try on any thing in the trial room.. Infact there aren't any trial rooms in women's clothing stores.. You are supposed to buy the stuff you like and you feel they might fit you.. Sometimes you might need to buy the pair of jeans which you feel might fit you.. Then go home, try it on and in case it doesn't fit you, u have to go back to the store the next day and exchange it for another size.. Don't know why but Saudi people say that a women should not take off her clothes even in the changing room of a clothing store lest someone is peeping from somewhere to get a glmpse of flesh.. LOL.. I won't be surprised if there aren't any ladies toilets in public places..

That sound logical...saleladies for the lingerie section. I mean, nowhere have I seen a guy selling lingerie to female customers.

Kind of kinky I guess ;)

Cuando el viento del tiempo sopla, todo se lo lleva...

lol rizks, you dont have to ask them for it, some pharmacies display them in shelves where the customers can just pick it up, its the same in supermarkets..

salesmen at the lingerie section really is awkward. they should do the same and not put salesladies in the men's underwear section as well...

i guess tats sensible...

Also i get really awkward sometimes when i go to some pharmacies where i find ladies and ask for a pack of condoms ....:)