im working in Qatar ,i got a visa for my wife as a house maid and she did not came but i told the sponsor to cancel the visa but in moi the visa is still there it shown as valid to use.after one week i got a good gob offer to my wife and the new sponsor trying to apply for the visa .but now its two weeks still we did not get the visa i think it happens because of the old visa problem.i need to know ,(1) is i can cancel the visa because she did not use the visa. (2)if its cancel is she can come to Qatar. (3)what is the best way to solve this problem. please help me....
Azilana...I have a friend, he has an ongoing case filed against his employer and they said that his passport already submitted to CID but not sure of this info. He went to the Human Rights and advised him to get his passport in order to issue 'Temporary Work Permit' until he gets the final result of the court....just to earn for a living while waiting. My friend is afraid to go to CID coz there is a hearsay he might send straight to deportation area. What can he do?
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Chandlers/jjh - formally Mystica of the dancing fairies doesn't know how to be nice.
You saying that Azi and I are old respected Qler's will just bring more nastiness out of her as she was never able to beat us down - She used to think she was very clever with her "flattering" words;-p
Your e-mail resignation is not valid unless you met an accident or got VERY SICK with medical impediment.
Doing what you said (not coming back) is still considered absconding because you still ran away from your work obligations here in Qatar. That is also considered BREACH of CONTRACT.
However It would still be the prerogative of your employer.
In example: Our secretary did that last year. Her mother suffered massive stroke and we allowed her to go on EMERGENCY LEAVE. She decided not to come back. She returned all company assets (laptop, blackberry, petty cash fund etc). I just had her visa cancelled so maybe she will come back next year without needing an NOC from our company.
Unless our mandoop filed her name as blacklisted in the system. I better ask our mandoop tomorrow, me think.
No one give me orders ok? I do my own observations and I am pretty sure these women only bullies because they are FUGLY! That's all it is! Now cut the crap!
another question.. what if the employee is out of the country and on vacation and decided not to come back? Can it still be considered as Absconding even if he tendered his resignation thru email?
If there's a bully, there's definitely FUGLY involve and that's the reality...I will be in Qatar soon so I will have the chance to confirm this if I join activities in this group...
she explain the plausible fact of visa cancellation and support it with various cases she encountered which proves the possibility to cancel the visa without the passport. on the other hand someone just can't get the clear picture...which is not worth wasting energy as I would say...just typical incompetent attitude...she's quite right not to get involve any further about this crap...
I can see what you mean jjh, my wife had enough trouble with them too. I am hoping we don't bump to any of them when we get there! will definitely not hire one to take care of my children, just ignore! Cheers!
And I haven't got time for a pretentious like you! We have a lot of those type of people here just full of hot air!
I have mentioned about the possibility of visa cancellation without passport and that includes those story how so I'll leave it at that! I haven't got much time for your crap! really!
we're talking about visa cancellation without passport.
You prattled on with your husband's work, his colleague, some folks who have nothing to do with the topic and THEN spilled the beans about YOUR MAID running off once upon a time?
Way too much information about nothing...don't you think?
I am quite surprised you mentioning a JJ connecting her with me.
I'm just commenting on your comments so don't go into 'DEFENSIVE' and go personal on me, quite an immature action...in my opinion.
Unless you could negate what I said in my posts above/earlier, don't divert the topic.
She was taken to court for a hearing and the embassy staff were always with her! they introduced themselves to us! we did not file the case the fact that she run off with a man and was found in his accomodation, that is the reason she was sent to jail! we gave her flight ticket and her embassy kept it and the last thing we heard she was deported after 6 months of imprisonment! there's no money involve, end the story!
Jjh, the only way any Embassy can help is provide an air ticket to the deportee if the original sponsor filed a case against his/her employee saying the person has absconded from you as a employer.. As per Qatar law with NO Wasta the employer can withdraw the report or absconding claim by paying a penalty of Qrs.6000/- and the employee returns back to her original employer and life goes on OR the employee pays the Qrs.6000/- and gets deported but is able to return to Qatar on a new visa...
FYI! we did had a Philippine maid who worked with us for only 3 months, run off with Pakistan man although she's married with 11 children in the Philippines! She jumped off the ship so we had to report her to CID she was nicked after couple of weeks and was sent to jail for 6 months but was rescued by your embassy. since then I learned my lesson not to hire any of your fellow country people! Just not worth of trouble!
But the topic here is, if the visa can be cancelled without the presence of the person's passport so I said Yes! and that is what we did after the maid run away with her Pakistan lover, her visa was cancelled!
You probably got me mixed up with the owner of this account! if you are talking about jj and your old crap with her its your problem not mine! She's still back in UK, still chilling! She told me this site is useful. I don't owe you an explanation about her.
FYI...I've been in Qatar for 7 years...of which 2 years
are spent dealing with the Immigration, Labour Office, CIED and other government agencies.
For the last 3 years, I've been dealing with the same agencies, different embassies here in Qatar (not only the Phil Embassy)because my JOB revolves in HR/RECRUITMENT/ADMINISTRATION.
I'm not into lifting my own chair...but with my work experience and hands on exposure, I am more qualified answer questions regarding these HR matters, don't you think?
But of course, there is QatariSun, Seasons, Khanan, DaRude, and other QL folks who are also in the similar field of work could give great inputs on these matters as well.
And you should never mention people's REAL NAME on public forums: PROPER NETIQUETTE my dear...another FYI
Your husband is British working/worked in Bahrain...NOT IN QATAR. Here in Qatar, different law applies. And you already contradicted your first post. You said the Embassy "provided" a lawyer. Now your second post "was guided" by the Embassy...which I directly pointed out in my post.
Have you ever been to the Philippine Embassy and requested legal assistance in any way? I don't think so. Coz apart from documentation attestation/authentication, renewal of travel documents (i.e. PASSPORT), the Embassy could only mediate between their citizens and the employer as they (Embassy officials) are still bound by the QATAR (Labour)LAW...IN QATAR. That is why there is that section in the Phil Embassy called 'ASSISTANCE TO NATIONALS'.
Your husband is a British National, an EXPAT and he is dealt with a different hand compared with the Asians...A FACT.
Because Kelly Dinckinson as kellydinc is actually one of the HR Generalist in BAE System in UK and she does work with my husband's employer company who hired them and she had given me that link to inform me what is her job description so I doubt that she would mind me copy and pasting the link she gave me! Don't you think? And Yes this position exists in UK but I don't know about US.
seasons, you said 'Your visa cannot be cancelled if you have dependents on your sponsor, have a legal case or even if you own a car'...
really?
the qatar immigration will not cancel you under the circumstances you just enumerated? Why then was my colleagues husband from another firm cancelled even if he still had a court case and owns a car registered under him?
Even without your passport! All they have to do is report you to the immigration that you have gone AWOL! then the immigration itself will report the case to the authority providing your employer a cancellation of visa documentation with stamp from the immigration and voila! your visa is cancelled! after that unfortunately, you become subject to CID and when they find you, you are going to be under process for deportation! But, if you wish to defend yourself the safer way to do is run to your Embassy and they will help you providing a lawyer to review your contract and see if either you or your employer had breach the contract! If you're lucky enough to win the case, your employer is responsible to pay you the rest of your contract including how many months left based on your monthly salary, gratuity, flight ticket and an exit visa if not? they are still responsible to get you an exit visa and a flight ticket to go back home!
A Briton escaped from the Philippines with his girlfriend and baby daughter after being threatened with seven years in jail for adultery.
David Scott was remanded in custody last year with his married girlfriend Cynthia Delfino. The couple were accused of adultery by officials in the devoutly Catholic country.
They were told that their daughter, Janina, was to be handed over to Ms Delfino's estranged husband, Noriel Delfino, on the grounds that the child was born before the Delfinos' marriage was annulled, officials said.
Update: Escaped to Britain
20th August 2008 see article from dailymail.co.uk
A British man who faced a seven-year prison sentence in the Philippines for adultery is being allowed to return to the UK with his girlfriend and baby this week.
David Scott, 37, has had his application for partner Cynthia Delfino to accompany him granted by the Home Office on humanitarian grounds.
My husband had similar case in Bahrain and he was guided by the British Embassy and it was processed by Labour court and he won the case and they had to pay him until the end of the contract which is another 13 months out of 2 years contract plus what's all included in the contract.
Another case, my husband's colleague killed another colleague and British Embassy helped him in the prison. So don't tell me our Embassy will not help us! NOT ONLY MAIDS ARE ENTITLED TO ASSISTANCE AS WE ARE NOT MAIDS! but we are entitled to assistance from the Embassy in any country where we happen to be!
Yes, your visa can be cancelled electronically via E-government without your passport. Your visa cannot be cancelled if you have dependents on your sponsor, have a legal case or even if you own a car..
(1) Run to the EMBASSY and the Embassy will provide a lawyer? -- You sure about this?
-> Running to the Embassy is what absconding housemaids do.
-> The (Philippine)Embassy will not provide you a lawyer, but give legal advise.
-> Even the British Embassy don't have this services to its citizens.
(2) REVISE the contract? Maybe you mean REVIEW?
-->The Contract of Employment is standardized as per Qatar Labour Law. For any employment disputes between the Employer and the Employee, The Labour Office and Human Rights Office are two of the government agencies/departments that could assist on this matter.
(3)You said " If you're lucky enough to win the case, your employer is responsible to pay you the rest of your contract including how many months left based on your monthly salary, gratuity, flight ticket and an exit visa if not? they are still responsible to get you an exit visa and a flight ticket to go back home!
--> This is what is "supposed" to happen...UNFORTUNATELY, IN REALITY..its not always the case.
Human Resources Generalist is a person can mean different things depending on the company. Normally, and HR generalist is similar to an assistant, but for the Human Resources department. They may help with running background checks, the hiring process and any other tasks associated with human resources.
the RP ID (together with your passport) should be submitted to the Immigration to cancel it.
HOWEVER, THEY(your sponsor) can report you to the CID as absconding/absconded to release them of any responsibility of you. When they get that clearance from the authorities, they will no longer issue you an NOC letter, and may even report your whereabouts to the police and have you deported. That would be the worst scenario.
This happened to someone I know 2 years ago. I'm not sure if the procedure changed.
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hi,
im working in Qatar ,i got a visa for my wife as a house maid and she did not came but i told the sponsor to cancel the visa but in moi the visa is still there it shown as valid to use.after one week i got a good gob offer to my wife and the new sponsor trying to apply for the visa .but now its two weeks still we did not get the visa i think it happens because of the old visa problem.i need to know ,(1) is i can cancel the visa because she did not use the visa. (2)if its cancel is she can come to Qatar. (3)what is the best way to solve this problem. please help me....
Azilana...I have a friend, he has an ongoing case filed against his employer and they said that his passport already submitted to CID but not sure of this info. He went to the Human Rights and advised him to get his passport in order to issue 'Temporary Work Permit' until he gets the final result of the court....just to earn for a living while waiting. My friend is afraid to go to CID coz there is a hearsay he might send straight to deportation area. What can he do?
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Then send it registered....so you have proof that they received it.
Then qalas :)
What I am planning is to scan my signed resignation letter. Would that be ok?
What sort of dogs do you catch? Is it a male wolf or a male fox? I guessed that's all you can do! right?
Chandlers/jjh - formally Mystica of the dancing fairies doesn't know how to be nice.
You saying that Azi and I are old respected Qler's will just bring more nastiness out of her as she was never able to beat us down - She used to think she was very clever with her "flattering" words;-p
Your e-mail resignation is not valid unless you met an accident or got VERY SICK with medical impediment.
Doing what you said (not coming back) is still considered absconding because you still ran away from your work obligations here in Qatar. That is also considered BREACH of CONTRACT.
However It would still be the prerogative of your employer.
In example: Our secretary did that last year. Her mother suffered massive stroke and we allowed her to go on EMERGENCY LEAVE. She decided not to come back. She returned all company assets (laptop, blackberry, petty cash fund etc). I just had her visa cancelled so maybe she will come back next year without needing an NOC from our company.
Unless our mandoop filed her name as blacklisted in the system. I better ask our mandoop tomorrow, me think.
No one give me orders ok? I do my own observations and I am pretty sure these women only bullies because they are FUGLY! That's all it is! Now cut the crap!
Is that supposed to be a threat? Or is it because one of these FUGLY is your wife?
another question.. what if the employee is out of the country and on vacation and decided not to come back? Can it still be considered as Absconding even if he tendered his resignation thru email?
If there's a bully, there's definitely FUGLY involve and that's the reality...I will be in Qatar soon so I will have the chance to confirm this if I join activities in this group...
next question...the dancing fairies will appear?
or the 2 kissing frogs had tadpoles and a big family of kissing frogs...lol
Yes! They can
so the answer is: they can?!
That face is totally a nightmare! typical look for a bully really!
filipina.... look at the picture too long and she'll turn into a monster...
Wow... thats a blast from the past....
Think Chandler is the new nick she opened for when jjh gets banned?
seemed familiar...lol
That message I received on my inbox, is that how she really look like? Geez! she is FUGLY! I just can't stop laughing! no wonder!
And remember how she started too.... wasn't it all over drivers licenses.... which I believe Chandler opened a thread on....
Ah.... its been wonderful to see QL come full circle:-D
especially those FAT AND UGLY ONES! :O they enjoy bullying! I am not surprise there's a ghetto in here. blah blah blah...
someone?
Somebody Mystic(a).... Filippina, western husband... turned really nasty within a few weeks of joining...
Seems like her old MO hasn't changed much...
Don't you just love it when they keep coming back?
who else will gonna crawl frm under the rock to join the clique?
Well, I got work to do...can't waste time on these posse.
@tahsinmim: pass some of the tiger balm...
she explain the plausible fact of visa cancellation and support it with various cases she encountered which proves the possibility to cancel the visa without the passport. on the other hand someone just can't get the clear picture...which is not worth wasting energy as I would say...just typical incompetent attitude...she's quite right not to get involve any further about this crap...
I can see what you mean jjh, my wife had enough trouble with them too. I am hoping we don't bump to any of them when we get there! will definitely not hire one to take care of my children, just ignore! Cheers!
And I haven't got time for a pretentious like you! We have a lot of those type of people here just full of hot air!
I have mentioned about the possibility of visa cancellation without passport and that includes those story how so I'll leave it at that! I haven't got much time for your crap! really!
we're talking about visa cancellation without passport.
You prattled on with your husband's work, his colleague, some folks who have nothing to do with the topic and THEN spilled the beans about YOUR MAID running off once upon a time?
Way too much information about nothing...don't you think?
I am quite surprised you mentioning a JJ connecting her with me.
I'm just commenting on your comments so don't go into 'DEFENSIVE' and go personal on me, quite an immature action...in my opinion.
Unless you could negate what I said in my posts above/earlier, don't divert the topic.
The topic is not about you...
She was taken to court for a hearing and the embassy staff were always with her! they introduced themselves to us! we did not file the case the fact that she run off with a man and was found in his accomodation, that is the reason she was sent to jail! we gave her flight ticket and her embassy kept it and the last thing we heard she was deported after 6 months of imprisonment! there's no money involve, end the story!
Jjh, the only way any Embassy can help is provide an air ticket to the deportee if the original sponsor filed a case against his/her employee saying the person has absconded from you as a employer.. As per Qatar law with NO Wasta the employer can withdraw the report or absconding claim by paying a penalty of Qrs.6000/- and the employee returns back to her original employer and life goes on OR the employee pays the Qrs.6000/- and gets deported but is able to return to Qatar on a new visa...
FYI! we did had a Philippine maid who worked with us for only 3 months, run off with Pakistan man although she's married with 11 children in the Philippines! She jumped off the ship so we had to report her to CID she was nicked after couple of weeks and was sent to jail for 6 months but was rescued by your embassy. since then I learned my lesson not to hire any of your fellow country people! Just not worth of trouble!
But the topic here is, if the visa can be cancelled without the presence of the person's passport so I said Yes! and that is what we did after the maid run away with her Pakistan lover, her visa was cancelled!
You probably got me mixed up with the owner of this account! if you are talking about jj and your old crap with her its your problem not mine! She's still back in UK, still chilling! She told me this site is useful. I don't owe you an explanation about her.
Azilana thanx for ur offer.. God bless.
Tahsinmim WTF!!!? What did u do with Spiderman Lol... Disgusting.. That's my fave hero ;)
topic strayed...but we're back on track....I think
Me...back to work :)
or the circumstances of us being acquaintance...no need stirring old shyet, if you know what I mean.
2 years of immigration woes...yup. I thank GOD and those friends who helped me along the way.
back to topic/to the OP
Just give a shout-out in case you need help...we could be able to direct you to some people to "assist" you with your issues.
Ciao, guys.
FYI...I've been in Qatar for 7 years...of which 2 years
are spent dealing with the Immigration, Labour Office, CIED and other government agencies.
For the last 3 years, I've been dealing with the same agencies, different embassies here in Qatar (not only the Phil Embassy)because my JOB revolves in HR/RECRUITMENT/ADMINISTRATION.
I'm not into lifting my own chair...but with my work experience and hands on exposure, I am more qualified answer questions regarding these HR matters, don't you think?
But of course, there is QatariSun, Seasons, Khanan, DaRude, and other QL folks who are also in the similar field of work could give great inputs on these matters as well.
could be connoted as PLAGIARISM...FYI :)
And you should never mention people's REAL NAME on public forums: PROPER NETIQUETTE my dear...another FYI
Your husband is British working/worked in Bahrain...NOT IN QATAR. Here in Qatar, different law applies. And you already contradicted your first post. You said the Embassy "provided" a lawyer. Now your second post "was guided" by the Embassy...which I directly pointed out in my post.
Have you ever been to the Philippine Embassy and requested legal assistance in any way? I don't think so. Coz apart from documentation attestation/authentication, renewal of travel documents (i.e. PASSPORT), the Embassy could only mediate between their citizens and the employer as they (Embassy officials) are still bound by the QATAR (Labour)LAW...IN QATAR. That is why there is that section in the Phil Embassy called 'ASSISTANCE TO NATIONALS'.
Your husband is a British National, an EXPAT and he is dealt with a different hand compared with the Asians...A FACT.
Simple common sense,really.
Habagat2012, i mentioned through E-government, and off-course in Qatar as everyone says,Expect the unexpected.. Everyone has their own rules..
Because Kelly Dinckinson as kellydinc is actually one of the HR Generalist in BAE System in UK and she does work with my husband's employer company who hired them and she had given me that link to inform me what is her job description so I doubt that she would mind me copy and pasting the link she gave me! Don't you think? And Yes this position exists in UK but I don't know about US.
seasons, you said 'Your visa cannot be cancelled if you have dependents on your sponsor, have a legal case or even if you own a car'...
really?
the qatar immigration will not cancel you under the circumstances you just enumerated? Why then was my colleagues husband from another firm cancelled even if he still had a court case and owns a car registered under him?
Even without your passport! All they have to do is report you to the immigration that you have gone AWOL! then the immigration itself will report the case to the authority providing your employer a cancellation of visa documentation with stamp from the immigration and voila! your visa is cancelled! after that unfortunately, you become subject to CID and when they find you, you are going to be under process for deportation! But, if you wish to defend yourself the safer way to do is run to your Embassy and they will help you providing a lawyer to review your contract and see if either you or your employer had breach the contract! If you're lucky enough to win the case, your employer is responsible to pay you the rest of your contract including how many months left based on your monthly salary, gratuity, flight ticket and an exit visa if not? they are still responsible to get you an exit visa and a flight ticket to go back home!
A Briton escaped from the Philippines with his girlfriend and baby daughter after being threatened with seven years in jail for adultery.
David Scott was remanded in custody last year with his married girlfriend Cynthia Delfino. The couple were accused of adultery by officials in the devoutly Catholic country.
They were told that their daughter, Janina, was to be handed over to Ms Delfino's estranged husband, Noriel Delfino, on the grounds that the child was born before the Delfinos' marriage was annulled, officials said.
Update: Escaped to Britain
20th August 2008 see article from dailymail.co.uk
A British man who faced a seven-year prison sentence in the Philippines for adultery is being allowed to return to the UK with his girlfriend and baby this week.
David Scott, 37, has had his application for partner Cynthia Delfino to accompany him granted by the Home Office on humanitarian grounds.
http://www.religiouswatch.com/thread00171_adultery.htm#Philippines_in_the_Dark_Ages_5110
My husband had similar case in Bahrain and he was guided by the British Embassy and it was processed by Labour court and he won the case and they had to pay him until the end of the contract which is another 13 months out of 2 years contract plus what's all included in the contract.
Another case, my husband's colleague killed another colleague and British Embassy helped him in the prison. So don't tell me our Embassy will not help us! NOT ONLY MAIDS ARE ENTITLED TO ASSISTANCE AS WE ARE NOT MAIDS! but we are entitled to assistance from the Embassy in any country where we happen to be!
Yes, your visa can be cancelled electronically via E-government without your passport. Your visa cannot be cancelled if you have dependents on your sponsor, have a legal case or even if you own a car..
she (was just an acquaintance)? i never guessed the 'someone' was a female.
sorry to hear you had immigration woes before, azilana.
jjh and azilana, your comments and advise seem to be contradictory to each other. are you both HR pros? if yes, in what capacity?
(1) Run to the EMBASSY and the Embassy will provide a lawyer? -- You sure about this?
-> Running to the Embassy is what absconding housemaids do.
-> The (Philippine)Embassy will not provide you a lawyer, but give legal advise.
-> Even the British Embassy don't have this services to its citizens.
(2) REVISE the contract? Maybe you mean REVIEW?
-->The Contract of Employment is standardized as per Qatar Labour Law. For any employment disputes between the Employer and the Employee, The Labour Office and Human Rights Office are two of the government agencies/departments that could assist on this matter.
(3)You said " If you're lucky enough to win the case, your employer is responsible to pay you the rest of your contract including how many months left based on your monthly salary, gratuity, flight ticket and an exit visa if not? they are still responsible to get you an exit visa and a flight ticket to go back home!
--> This is what is "supposed" to happen...UNFORTUNATELY, IN REALITY..its not always the case.
that I happened to cross pass with back then when I was trying to sort out my shyet on similar issues :)
http://answers.ask.com/Business/Management_and_HR/what_is_an_hr_generalist
I'm sure kellydinc won't mind you copying his/her answer word for word.
I think that position or title exists in UK? or maybe the US...perhaps?
yes sure they can , as sponsor is our father in Qatar
If any problem try to solve it in good manner....
And my friend was helping her at the time!
that someone was deported? sounds like you know him/her and working with you in the same company/sponsor.
Human Resources Generalist is a person can mean different things depending on the company. Normally, and HR generalist is similar to an assistant, but for the Human Resources department. They may help with running background checks, the hiring process and any other tasks associated with human resources.
That "someone" was deported.
Azilana, from your thorough answer, you seem to be an HR Generalist.
What happened to that someone you know 2 years ago? is that person still in Qatar or deported already?
the RP ID (together with your passport) should be submitted to the Immigration to cancel it.
HOWEVER, THEY(your sponsor) can report you to the CID as absconding/absconded to release them of any responsibility of you. When they get that clearance from the authorities, they will no longer issue you an NOC letter, and may even report your whereabouts to the police and have you deported. That would be the worst scenario.
This happened to someone I know 2 years ago. I'm not sure if the procedure changed.
but don't know the process. It is possible.