Will Qatar 2022 bid be a success? why?
i don't think so and here's why:
1- infrastructure: there are only 4 or 5 star hotels here. much of the WC attendees are young people. they can't afford 4-5 stars.
2- not enough hotel rooms. but, they can be built. all crappy, but yes, they can.
3- what are people to do when there's no games? sit quitely in their 200$ a night hotel? ppl who attend the WC are going to be party people. where do the go? to the qube in ramada? the biggest club which can hold like 500 people? or maybe hit the beach at 50C? no way.
4- there is no liquor in the streets. it's very illegal. you cannot have a WC without beer. maybe in the stadiums it will be banned, like in some south american countries, but it's not easily available.
5- visa problems. people would be coming over from all over the world. have you heard of the problems people who are not from USA, EU, JP, KR have to go through to get a visitor's visa?
6- discrimination. it's definitely a big problem here. granted, so it was in south africa, so maybe fifa doesn't care anymore and just does the ads for good PR.
7- racism. really big problem here. same arguments as #6.
8- elitism. here, the locals are always correct and never do anything wrong/illegal. now, many expats restrain themselves b/c of work responsibilities, such as bing cut in lines. but imagine some irish guy that doesn't like some qatari a-hole visually raping his girl at villagio. there will be confrontations.
9- intolerance. here, you can be whatever religion. but just don't show it, or make it public. religion in countries like brazil and their ppl are generally very visible.
10- the big one: weather. i've been to the stadiums here three times and it's always HOT.
11- stadiums. they will need to get rid of that 1/3 section 'VIP' seats. this is easily done, but will they do it? will a local 'VIP' sit with the plebs?
do you agree? or not? why?
Qatar will win 2022 WC bid because :
1. aggressiveness - the gov't is willing to spend their own money just to 'lure the bait'..
2. infrastructure - modern & awesome designs of their stadiums will put Qatar in consideration..
3. history - if and when Qatar host the 2022 WC, it will be a first here in the Middle East region..
On the contrary, Qatar will lose the bid because :
1. religion - Islam is very conservative.. World Cup is wild.. no fans will allow themselves to be stop by police just because they are singing on the road.. Fan zones? not a solution..
2. weather - this aspect was 1 reason why Qatar didn't qualified in their Olympic bid..
3. dress code - Fans coming from all over the world will dress as per their comfortability given the concept of WC as a day of football celebration..
Any more ideas?? just add...
Thats a good point Lost, show fans what a fanzone will look like at the upcoming International, beacause last years Eng game was such a boring atmosphere!!
They might give it to Qatar on Compassionate grounds not technical grounds to have a good relationship with the Arab and greater muslim world?
Cant think of any other reason for Qatar's exceptional bid..
wait for 2022! Lol! Are you in a hurry to be drunk?
almost every post lately has the "expats go home if you dont like it" BS . My question is about the fan zones. Why dont Qatar show us what the fan zones would be like with the up and coming game between Brazil and Argentina? or are they just saying it to boost what they think is a bid of reasonable chance?
QAATRI what is wrong with what Hanibal has said, just beacuse he doesn't support the bid, and he has stated some very good facts as to why Qatar won't win the bid, all the PRO supporters get upset and say we are racist, poison, we should leave Qatar etc etc...This is Qatars problem, as soon as someone speaks out that is not in favor of what they doing then we are racist and against Qatar...
if qatar gets the WC, everything will go up... That being said, I do hope Qatar gets a chance to show what it's capable of on the world forum! ;-)
if they get it, GOOD, if they don't, FINE! It's not our opinion matter, it's what FIFA opinion based on what will be presented to them and what will they see and what will they perceived to happened by 2022!
You have you views, we have mine!
XceptionalGreat What about price hikes?
@ Xceptionalgreat,for sure grievances like infrastructure & public transport will be addressed by then if Qatar win the bid because it will have to be,there is no other way & i agree fully that it will benefit the residents of Qatar,don't know about labour reforms & all though & anyways i don't really plan to stick around till then to find out,i plan to leave while i still have some sanity left! :)
Anyways,as usual you haven't directly addressed my concerns while replying,which is typical of this place,so you really fit in & belong here...
So to ask again,CAN the mentality in this country change by 2022?...because mind you,it's a BIG change that is required compared to the present mentality & like i said,building hotels & stadiums & a railway network is one thing,changing people's mentality is a completely different ball game especially in a place that resists change as much as this place does...so it's perefectly normal for anyone to question that ability to change...it seems more like Qatar is promising heaven on earth to FIFA,until they win the bid & once they do will proceed to host THE MOST BORING tournament in the history of the World Cup but like the Asian games,that won't bother them @ all because they'll too busy showing off "we hosted the World Cup" to bother about those little details & who suffers because of that? The thousands of fans that will come to the tournament & as a football fan myself,THAT is my biggest concern,don't fault me for actually thinking through what i'm saying before i say it eh?...
As you said, lets wait until 02 December..
The only difference in my viewpoint and some opponents of Qatar's bid is.. they want Qatar to change itself before bidding for such a great event..
But, IMHO, Qatar 2022 may become a reason for Qatar to change itself..atleast some longstanding grievances of the residents... like Public Transport, Infrastructure, Labor Reforms, etc can be suitably addressed !!
@ Xceptionalgreat...so basically what you're saying is that Qatar will qualify for 2022?...well only time will tell mate...December 2nd in the case of this bid because @ the end of day,the decision is neither yours nor mine to make...you have an opinion,i have an opinion & mine is different from yours...you have your reasons for as I have mine against...the only difference is, I consider your points supporting the bid in terms of infrastructure development,transport network etc. completely valid & I too have no doubt that on that front,Qatar will have the job done...whereas you don't consider my doubts on the prevalent mentality amongst people in Qatar changing & becoming accepting & broad minded enough to accept the environment that this month-long tournament brings with it...because the fact such as it is weather you choose to accept or not is that under the prevalent environment present in the country,there is no way in hell that tournament,if held here, is going to be a success...stadiums & hotels can be built,transport infrastructure can be put in place...but it takes a little more than that to change people's minds...let me leave with you a visual to ponder over,one i have earlier mentioned on another thread...picture Al Sadd street or Mirqab street made a walking only zone for the tournament...fans from over a hundred countries,both male & female(many females way too under dressed by Qatar's standards), walking,laughing,hugging,drinking a beer & basically enjoying themselves the way they normally do...ready for World Cup 2022?...'cos that or something along those lines is what it's going to have to be like,if you want to host a successful tournament...because the only thing worse than losing the bid would be winning it & hosting a tournament with lots of empty seats(you do know that the Doha Asian games was one of the LEAST attended tournaments in the game's history?) & LOTS of unhappy fans...
gadarene.. It's evident now that your arguments against Qatar's bid are not the key points for FIFA to consider..
FIFA ranking of South Africa was 40 in 2004.. but it did not become a reason of its disqualufication to host WC 2010.. If poorer nations can qualify for WC, does it show their capability to host such a great sports festival ?? So, you should avoid giving stupid logics..
I hope all other doubts of Qatar bid's opponents ('drumbeaters') are clear after FIFA's visit and the only challenge as per FIFA is the logistics..
Don't you think that 12 years are good enough for a well-off Country like Qatar to develop a world class infrastructure ??
Qatar will make its bid through round 1 or 2 as there will be be much competition from participating nations. The pros and cons might put that little obstacle in when it comes to the sensitivity of the local population towards something unislamic associated with the games
Xceptionalgreat PMS got pwned by gadarene
@ XceptionalGreat,the VERY LEAST you can do if you truly support this bid is to ACTUALLY READ...AND UNDERSTAND people's posts...instead of PRETENDING to read it,then copy/pasting a page from your "Qatar WC 2022 bid" brochure...that's just plain lame so you really shouldn't be expecting ANYONE with half a brain to take you seriously...
Oh & one more thing,you keep going on about the "millions of die-hard fans" & "the passion for the game in the middle-east"...so perhaps you can explain to me why despite these "millions of fans" & "passionate people"...only UAE & Saudi have ever qualified for the World Cup & that too got knocked out in the first round...now as you say,there is no shortage of funds for coaches,training,grounds,equipment,everything...YET MUCH poorer nations like certain African nations REGULARLY qualify for the World Cup while they suffer from a lack of funds,with millions living below the poverty line,DESPITE THAT,they qualify...now THAT to me is passion...NOT who can scream the loudest or honk their horn the loudest on the corniche...
and the most boring & long post award goes to.....
Xceptionalgreat PMS
Hannibal is not being racist, he is just making a point which is what this forum is all about yea?
I went to watch Al Sadd last night and the stadim temperature was flashed up as 19 degrees which is pretty cool! although the stadium is far too small to host world cup matches
One reason why Qatar won't win the bid- Other bids are better.
oh, yea, i'm a racist, of course. me, the guy who was pointing out racism, discrimination, etc. etc. haha! but i will agree i'm more inclined towards the negative side.
Just look at the latest comments of flor1212..
hannibal8, your post is full of negative attitude towards Qatar.. are you a bloody racist or what ??
you are more inclined to the negative side.
But for me, I am all the way for Qatar to host this event. It will be a great one and it will give more positive (although there will also be negative) results for the whole country and region as well. I hope I could witness it here but I am already retired by that time! Lol!
from my very first post:
'do you agree? or not? why?'
i'm asking for opinions. i want to know what ppl think. not what the ppl are told to think.
the definition of propaganda is "Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position."
i'm doing quite the opposite. you sir, look like a fool for trying to turn it around. :p
OK hannibal8 I am not your friend.
Refer to your very first post above, you did not ask a simple question, it's actually your propaganda against Qatar.
You are simply underestimating the potential of Qatar and it's government..
God bless you.
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it really saddens me that many Qataris resents the FIFA delegates visit and have expressed thier opposition to host the world cup over a popular local Internet forum.
While The powers that be ambition is to put Qatar in the spotlight , boost its economy & initiate further developments , the forum users expressed thier fear of inflation , sell of Alcohol in public and influx of foreigners.
what's in it for you, whether Qatar bid for the world cup or not?
genesis, i can't read arabic. it says some locals are not supporting the bid? that's weird. i guess maybe they're small more conservative section of the population.
as i said from the beginning XceptionalGreat, i know my opinions will not change anything. i was asking a simple question, and you answered propaganda, while other ppl actually contributed to a discussion.
and i mentioned the asian games because somebody else referenced them first.
now you clearly say 'Yes, that's my argument.. we will build everything'. good, thanks for actually reading most of the thread. i think i've made clear my 'lame' arguments and you made your amazing ONE. and i'm not your friend.
*hannibal8... C'mon grow up mate..you are still giving reference of 2006 Asian Games.. it's 2010 dear and the games shall be organized in 2022..
You would surely be taller atleast by a feet or so since 2006 :-)
So the half-baked research is not good..!!
Yes, that's my argument.. we will build everything..what's wrong with this argument??
There are billions of Football fans across the world. But MENA region did not ever host a World Cup unlike other regions. Since, there is no other Country in MENA interested to host the event, let it be Qatar. It's not good to oppose it just for the sake of opposition my friend.
QATAR rightfully deserves to host the World Cup..
Keeping in view that the WC shall be held in 2022 only, if it's well planned and the FIFA committee is fully satisfied with our claims, your lame arguments do not really matter. Period.
no, in this case, i mean World Cup.
i know our opinions don't matter, they will not change anything. we don't make decisions.
all i asked are for arguments why you think Qatar will or will not get it. simple.
arguments such as "There are millions of die-hard fans of Football in this part of world (GCC) and the natives of these countries have every right to host this great event."
they don't convince me, because i have lived in different continents, and believe me i have seen more fervor. football is universal, every country has fans, every country deserves it. this is not a country specific argument.
Qatar has the capital to do the projects XceptionalGreat mentions, but which ones really affect the WC directly? trains, highway, and bus system. all transportation services. the cause way Qatar-Bahrain, is it me, or do you suggest that tourist can hop over to Barhain and drink, then come back? it sounds like the country has nothing and they're all just plans.
i did a few min. of research on the asian games and found this article:
http://english.people.com.cn/200611/24/eng20061124_324929.html
about moving the WC. it's always been in June-July, except once. i think Mexico 86 because Colombia was not able to complete the stadiums in time, and it was moved by a month.
anyways, XceptionalGreat, what you write seems to be copied directly from a magazine since your only arguments seem to be, 'yes, because we will build everything'.
THE Bid book is already submitted & the FIFA delegates are already in town. So, it wouldn't matter anyway the opinions expressed here.
I like to be optimistic & wish the organizing committee learn from previous mistakes. only with proper coordination between all government entities will all proposed projects be executed in time
"Expect the Amazing!"
Yes, there is a strong possibility that Qatar will be chosen to host the World Cup 2022.
Why? Because when Qataris go for it, they will surely get it.
http://www.qatar2022bid.com/
Think of how different Qatar 2010 is from say, Qatar 2004 (when I first arrived). Who can imagine Qatar in 2022? I hope they get it.
Feels like only dream in daylight to see Qatar won the bidding...too much obsticles...needs lots of miracles
Before judging in haste, one should not forget that the Bid is for 2022 and Qatar still have 12 years to get ready for this great event.
The govt has no dearth of money, they are not gonna ask any other country to support financially. In fact, after completion of the event, the proposed modular furniture shall be donated to under-privileged nations.
A great Metro Network, Dedicated Bus Routes, Shopping Malls, Hotels, Luxury Villas/Apartments, Causeway to Bahrain, a big Highway Network, NDIA, Museums, Universities, Research Centres, Energy City, some other man-made Islands, Many Waterfront Projects, Stadia, Five Star Hospitals, Health Clinics, Heart of Doha, GCC metro rail network which will connect Doha with Dubai/Bahrain where the tourist can enjoy like any western country..and many other mega projects are underway.
Regarding high temperature in Qatar, it is not due to any artificial reason..but it's all about mother nature.
Teams can play matches and spectators can view & enjoy the matches safely in a controlled temperature.
As far as outings are concerned, if the tourist can visit some places with minus (-)15 degree just to enjoy the nature then they can give a try to 40-45 degree temp. tooo.
Afterall the residents of Qatar are also human beings like the residents of Australia, Germany, South Africa etc.. millions of expatriates and Qataris are living in Qatar and also go for outings even in this summer, we also go for shopping.. we also go to beaches..pools, etc.
The visitors can consider it as an extra ordinary experience for their family. Afterall, Qatar is also a part of this World.
On the other hand, World Cup is an international event, which belongs to the World and not only to certain Countries with colder climate.
There are millions of die-hard fans of Football in this part of world (GCC) and the natives of these countries have every right to host this great event. If FIFA or other countries are so much concerned about the Climate of Qatar, why don't they propose to organize it a few weeks later as a very special case for this region, in order to appreciate the overwhelming support FIFA has been receiving from this region for many many years.
As I said earlier, it's not about weather.. it's about if you really support Qatar's bid or any non-Qatari bid.
'Weather' should not be the sole reason to disqualify Qatar !!
In fact, we need to be rational, don't decide in a hasty manner if Qatar is capable of doing it or not..
The govt of Qatar is proposing to provide any type of facility under the sun to successfully host this great event... and again we have 12 years...
We should extend ur unconditional support to Qatar..
No Ifs, No Buts.. Only Qatar !!
Yes, We Expect Amazing !!
All the Best.. Qatar.. You Really Deserve It !!
Good luck to Qatar with this bid :)
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All the best Doha 2022.
Its a long way off and sure appropriate changes would be made to accommodate anyone by then.
There are three sides of argument
Your side, my side and the right side.
Let right people decide the right side.
what will the tourists do at night?? i can understand, in other countries the night life is good enough to keep the tourists busy...
I do agree with hannibal 100%. He has covered all the relevent points . True , Qatar has to go a long way to win 2022 bid. Having worked and travelled in most of the Europe and GCC countries , some vital things are missing in Qatar.
since the executive committee decides in Dec. you cannot say "you don't know about the future" that's not a good argument.
if that's the case, i can tell you, 'put your son in this school, in the future it's going to like harvard'.
i was not here during the asian games so i cannot speak about them.
the HVAC stadiums are real. and i have full confidence they can be built. but will they really serve a purpose after the WC? or just be monuments in the desert like the bird's nest in china, or the WC stadium in korea. i've been to both, and they use them as tourist attractions most of the year.
and i agree, money talks.. sadly. :p
let the deciding panel decide for the matter. Money talks sometimes. :p
Your points all hold good reasons for why the FIFA cannot he held in Doha.
But these should be taken as a challenge and the problems/shortcomings needs to be addressed in a proper and scientific manner.
As Doha has already held the Asian Games, we have some experience in holding mega-international events.
As such you cannot see any country in the map which is perfect in all ways to uphold any kind of event.
Racism..which country if free of that....i doubt if any...
staidiums will all be HVACed.. so do not worry sweating..
Generalization like Qataris are good or bad, so as Indians, Brits of Africans is meaningless...
Then liquor especially beer, is the major problem, however the Doha government is expected to see this issue in the right sense and spirit(hope so...)
BTW I vote for FIFA in Doha...
PS:
Quoting Obama's words, "...if we want, we can.."
Thank you...
Hanni.
Have you been terminated from your job recently and scheduled to leave Doha very soon?
Hannibal, 2022 is a long long long time away. Do you remember how this world was 12 years ago ? SO much has changed, and am sure by 2022, there would be a lot lot of changes. So I guess, we shouldnt judge the future event based on current situations !!