Self-appointed morality police in qatar

LostInSpace: Oh well thanks for lightening how hypocritical I’m (:

Now do you have anything beneficial to say and contribute to the topic of the thread?

I guess not.

Drunks causing havoc in the streets and spreading fear is a problem - but not in Qatar because I guess it is rare to see, about as rare as a couple of guys getting jiggy in a super dooper club!

And I did see the title of the thread but I just thought you were a hypocrit and highlighted it!

Opinions are like farts my friend, everyone elses stink apart from your own!

Insanity: Human values and moral values are most definitely not the same thing.

Moral values are usually things that benefit the group of people, or person, perpetrating them.

At least as far as I understand it to be.

LostInSpace: What has that to do with anything? Spending / having good time ( Responsibly ) at the club is one thing, and getting drunk in public and spreading fear and just causing havoc on the streets is something totally different. btw in case you didn't notice, the topic's theme is (what kind of moral standards are expatriates in the Middle East suppose to go by?) and not ( how MN spends his time in the club ) Jeez! Grow up! I

Perhaps it will insanity, but I highly doubt it unless something apocalyptic happens. Right now I believe in live and let live, and if someone isn't hurting you they should be allowed to live their lives freely.

'Alcohol is banned from public which is a good thing and I stand by this lovely country on such wise decision, BUT! We all know it's not totally 100% banned. 5 stars hotels are still catering booze to the addicted population'

So you agree with it but spend your nights in a 'super dooper cool club' wherever that is?

"........Ethics and morals are not age old. They have changed as society has changed. It used to be morally acceptable to own slaves, that is no longer so. It used to be morally acceptable to kill unwanted girls, to rape women, to force people into marriages, to execute children who stole loaves of bread, to have harems of hundreds of women, to beat your wife and children, etc etc etc. Now it is not. ...."

But if you beleive that the basic values of ethics morality etc. are changing with time then maybe in some time it will again be morally acceptable to kill girls, to have beat wives and have harems...so if you are in such a generation will you accept it as Correct ??

By 'we all' I mean ordinary citizens. It's not our job to police the world, and it is certainly nor our job to judge people.

If the government has 'strict' laws about prostitution, drug dealing, bootleg alcohol sales then there wouldn't be any prostitution, drug dealing or bootleg alcohol sales.

The reality is that on any given night there are hundreds of hookers in Doha's bars every single night, plus gay guys getting it on, Qataris buying alcohol on the black market, and teenagers selling drugs. The government is either too lazy to stop them, or they are deliberately ignoring it. My money is on the latter.

If the government doesn't think the 'problem' is worth dealing with, that's their decision. It's sure as heck not my problem. So personally I don't hurt anyone, I keep my business to myself, and I let others live their life as they see fit. Much less stress for all of us.

If rape becomes the norm in a few years than we'll be living exactly as we did 2000 years ago when it was considered perfectly ok and condoned by so called Prophets.

Ethics and morals are not age old. They have changed as society has changed. It used to be morally acceptable to own slaves, that is no longer so. It used to be morally acceptable to kill unwanted girls, to rape women, to force people into marriages, to execute children who stole loaves of bread, to have harems of hundreds of women, to beat your wife and children, etc etc etc. Now it is not.

Homosexuals don't hurt anyone unlike the things I listed, which is why it's because acceptable.

MIMI:"No Flor I don't think that rules from 2000 years ago are applicable to modern society. Which is why the silliness about homosexuality being sinful should also be tossed out."

The ethics, morality, honesty, integrity etc. are age old values which dont and should not change with time. Sometime back homosexuality was considered a crime, now it is Ok. Today rape is considered crime, imagine after few years if it becomes norm ??

FUBAR:"So to answer your point, how about we all stop sticking our noses into other people's business and let them enjoy their life."

So why does government have strict laws against drug peddelers and drug addicts, why is suicide considered crime ?? Let every individual do what he wants ...

People are entitled to their opinions, even if they are stupid! :)

fubar : And now you even putting words in my mouth! lool! WoW!

Pink hippo17: how old are you 2?

Miss Mimi: personality split? (Daddy in skies) LOL!

Ridiculous!

I did not drag it fubar, that was flor1212 and miss Mimi, and then Insanity of course always ready to fall for it.

But then how can I aspect you not to be prejudice so not like you: D

Exactly fubar!

Well said Fubar

YAWN!..Sorry did you say something?!

I figured that when you dragged some backward Nigerian Church into the thread Marco, you wanted to talk about religion.

My bad.

So to answer your point, how about we all stop sticking our noses into other people's business and let them enjoy their life.

I couldn't give a crap whether two guys get it on at a club in Doha, that's their business. Personally, I'm happy for them for having fun, enjoying life, and not physically harming anyone else.

It would be the height of hypocrisy to suggest that it's okay to get it on with a hooker or some girl you aren't married to, but no okay to get it on with another guy.

Both are crimes in Qatar.

Fubar. This thread wasn't initiated to discuss about what’s wrong with bible/church or religion for that matter.

The sideline lil discussions about homosexually were the results of some “born to be right”

Qle’rs who are so bouncy commentators who always drag topics out of their intended purpose with their opinionated “All over the place scattered little thoughts “

And sometimes you just get tired chasing the little rabbit in their brains.

Now if you want to discuss why the bible isn’t good enough for you are free to walk out of here. Go to the religious section and scream your head off.

Pink hippo17: Well too bad! I couldn't care less (:

@ Marconandoz

Your the type of person i would avoid,your so judgemental and closed minded..People are people, we all have a right to live our lives how ever we see fit..You can't judge a person because they are gay!..

Mose's laws on how to cleanse captured virgins so that you can make them concubines are quite enlightening as well. :)

My favorite bible story is Lot and his daughters.

Any story that ends in two virgin girls getting their daddy so drunk that they can have sex with him without him evening noticing, two nights in a row, is fine by me.

Someone should make a movie version!

No Flor I don't think that rules from 2000 years ago are applicable to modern society. Which is why the silliness about homosexuality being sinful should also be tossed out.

the rules then are still applicable now? Do you even know the three division of man's time?

fubar: Then you must be one of those (All sorts of animals in the jungle animals). So happy you are finally coming to terms with who you really are (: Than you for sharing that info about yourself with us.

LOL Flor. Have you actually ever READ the bible??? Most of the prophets, Kings, etc. were polygamous!

Sure, no mention of divorce, but if your half sister can't give you a child you're welcome to use her slave to do so. And of course there's the rules about marrying your brother's wife if your brother dies (which apparently you have to do!) (Genesis 38:8-10)

flor1212: no one: P

If humans aren't animals, then what are they?

Vegetables??

Minerals???????

Until recently polygamy was legal all over the world.

Actively practiced more in African and Central/ East Asian counties As well as in some Arabian countries.

Not to mention in most locations even when illegal it is tolerated, and not enforced.

So Fubar are you saying all those people down history who viewed polygamy normal and were practicing polygamous communities (including prominent biblical / historical figures). They are all animals?

LOL nice logic: D

By the way some of the gay rights advocates use the very same example (animals do it to) to make the act justifiable.

Insane world! Innit!

what verse? One can re-marry if the spouse died. Even "divorce" with re-marriage is not allowed.

ROFLING fubar. :)

I guess one thing we can agree on is that polygamy is very normal. All sorts of animals do that in the jungle.

Miss Mimi: I'd do so but been debated to death in this site many times already. :D

Miss Mimi..I get your point,but you might as well bang your head against a wall..

Obviously not as you see the need to start a whole thread about how homosexuality isn't normal.

Normal for you not normal for me. fair enuff.

Homosexuality is normal.

Faubr. Homosexuality is an "outrage" against nature. It only means and leads to one thing, the removal of human life.

I certainly do not wish homosexuals to be injured in any form but all the Gay Libs wants will not make homosexuality normal.

this thread gone to polygamy ???? o_O??

from clubs and morality police ?

So because 570,000 of the world's 2,000,000,000 (0.0002%) Christians approve of polygamy, it is somehow acceptable?

Far, far, far, far more Christian churches have a tolerant view on homosexuality than polygamy. Does that make homosexuality okay then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominational_positions_on_homosexuality

Insanity, I've said that the bible promotes polygamy as being ok. It also promotes incest and rape as being ok. What I'm saying is that MODERN SOCIETY views these as sinful and wrong, thereby going against the dictates of God.

So modern society is happy to ignore some of God's teachings, but not others. It's hypocritical.

Miss Mimi: Thank you for standing corrected.

I'm sorry MN, the VAST VAST majority of Christian society views polygamy as a sin. Is that better?

There are also Christian sects that don't condemn homosexuality. From wiki:

"These include the United Church of Canada, the United Church of Christ,[25] the Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada. In particular, the Metropolitan Community Church, a denomination of 40,000 members, was founded specifically to serve the Christian LGBT community, and is devoted to being open and affirming to LGBT people. The United Church of Christ and the Alliance of Baptists also condone gay marriage, and some parts of the Anglican and Lutheran churches allow for the blessing of gay unions. Within the Anglican communion there are openly gay clergy; for example, Gene Robinson and Mary Glasspool are openly homosexual bishops in the US Episcopal Church and Eva Brunne in Lutheran Church of Sweden. The Episcopal Church's recent actions vis-a-vis homosexuality have brought about increased ethical debate and tension within the Church of England and worldwide Anglican churches."

fubar: It's not the only Christian Church that's still allowing it.

"..I'm fully aware of what polygamy is insanity...."

I know, i posted the link because it gave the status of polygamy in various religions, regions and also the historical perspective....

"..So out of 30,000 different denominations of Christianity, 2 allow polygamy..."

This may be true AT PRESENT, however earlier it was vice-verca (more sects allowing polygny than prohibiting).

However Jesus christ came and spread the message of god and when he left this world after that he never visited again. So the message of the messenger (and hence the message of God) was that polygny is acceptable (legal).

However later on the rules were changed, So the new rules were made not by jesus christ but by the church/government etc. (It is not as per the message of the messenger)

"deviant" behaviours" to be exact.

I'm fully aware of what polygamy is insanity....

So according to Wikipedia, the Church of Latter Day Saints outlawed polygamy in 1890. Isn't that Mimi's point?

Miss Mimi said As far as I'm concerned, and ...

As far as I'm concerned, and Christian society is concerned insanity, polygamy and homosexuality are equally "deviant" behaviours.

Miss Mimi: The issue is not how many Christian denominations are practicing multiple marriages.

It’s in your baffling claim that “All Christian society deems polygamy as a sin” it’s just wrong.

More details on this ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does NOT allow polygamous marriage. There are some fringe groups who do, but not the LDS. Polygamy is illegal in Utah.

So out of 30,000 different denominations of Christianity, 2 allow polygamy.

The Nigerian Celestial Church of Christ allows clergy and laymen to keep multiple wives.

The Lutheran Church of Liberia began allowing plural marriage in the 1970s

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints , (Mormons) etc.

Also, the "banning" of homosexuality in the Bible is only a brief mention in the old testament. Considering most Christians ignore the vast majority of the old testament, I'm not sure why they stick on this, and not on the other rules.

And I don't know what's the reason that many people have hatred toward homosexuality.

Different people have different beliefs, and will justify their beliefs to themselves, and others, in any way that they can.

For me, personally, if two women want to share a husband, or they just want to share a bed, that's their business and has nothing whatsoever to do with me. Good luck to them.

MN, please name the Christian sect that allows polygamy.

Insanity, that's my point, it's ridiculous. According to the Bible, sex slaves, incest, raping virgins and polygamy are all perfectly ok and condoned by God (too the point of providing detailed laws regarding them). In fact, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say "don't have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you" but homosexuality i.e. consensual sex between two people, is illegal.

So the raping your daughters is A-Ok in the eyes of God. But Adam and Steve falling in love and sleeping together is wrong.

Sorry. I don't have a lot of respect for this God.

"..As long as everyone in the relationship is consenting to it, then I have no problems..."

Exactly, my point is that polygamy is allowed, it is not compulsory.

However, homosexuality is not allowed by christianity as far as I know.

Also, I dont know whats the reason why many people have so much hatred towards polygamy (which is allowed by all religions and was common and was practised earlier) and on the contrary people find homosexuality acceptable (which was considered crime earlier).

Miss Mimi: you really can’t speak on behalf of the entire Christian society. You just can’t

Insanity: only God can judge.

There is an escape from it. It's called not believing in it.

"...Isn't it funny how the big sky daddy is totally ok with polygamy, child marriage, incest, sexual slavery and captive virgins, but homosexuality!! No, that's just wrong..."

We should not be sarcastic towards the creator. We need to believe that God will deliver justice to the crimiinals, if not in this life then definitely in afterlife. There is no escape from it.

As far as I'm concerned, and Christian society is concerned insanity, polygamy and homosexuality are equally "deviant" behaviours.

As long as everyone in the relationship is consenting to it, then I have no problems. To each their own. However, if it was a choice, I'd rather be gay, or my son or daughter be gay, then a 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 25th wife.

I dont want to change the topic of discussion but you have talked about polygamy and homosexuality in the same bad sense.

There is nothing wrong in polygamy (polygyny) and it is allowed by all major religions and was practised by many prophets.

However Homosexuality is a heinous crime which is prohibited by all major religions.

LOL Sodom and Ghomorrah. Isn't it funny how the big sky daddy is totally ok with polygamy, child marriage, incest, sexual slavery and captive virgins, but homosexuality!! No, that's just wrong. :P

the human life cycle goes in round and around....

Big daddy is watching and will teach the miscreant appropriate lessons.

Sodom and Ghomorrah. And see what happens.

What some people call hypocrisy could also be called the undercurrents of societal change. Qatar is not a bubble. Qatari's, in general, are becoming more well traveled and better educated. They go to other countries and see that things like homosexuality, skimpy dress, etc are accepted and they actually LIKE visiting these places, because they can be themselves. They start to accept it as normal (especially given how prevalent homosexuality is in Qatar) and they start to accept it in their society, or at least turn a blind eye to it.

In my opinion the best attitude a society can strive for is "Live and let live" and Qatar is moving towards that. YAY!

As Qatars laws are based on Islamic Shariah, I think this story is worth mentioning.

Umar Ibn al Khattab (one of the khalifas and companions of prophet muhammad SAWS), during his reign, In one his walks at night with a companion ,he hears some singing in a house and peeps in , he finds a girl dancing and a man drinking wine sitting in front of her, Umar goes in to the house reprimands the man for his sins, but the man in turn question the authority of Umar to peep in on him and Umar admits his mistake and keeps shut about this to his companion, because it was not his to look in to anyone's house.

(I found this on Google but could not find reference.)

Dear Marcos, I think the concept is that they want to punish people who commit things openly as it influences other people.

However What happens behind closed doors is not influencing others and hence they are not much bothered.

MN - Qatar is doing a great job balancing it's economic growth and prosperity and cultural sensitivities. This is a period of change and hence adjustments are obvious. Give it sometime and it will evolve.

All this hypocrisy stuff is reasonably explained in the movie Harold and Kumar -

Harold and kumar meets George bush and he is smoking pot.H and K calls that hypocrisy as George is fighting a war on drugs . Well ,George puts it like this " You like getting BJ's and but dont like giving BJ's right "

You dont just turn your house into a bar ,just because you like drinking.So dont expect Qatar change.

tolerance.......

Once this get beyond certain levels and escalated to MoI and enforcement agencies then you could not imagine the reaction. (Like valid ID card is mandatory to enter a Pub in Qatar)

Being what you have experienced is just one off case; which authority ignore.

Be happy till one did not get caught.

@Korly

r u talkin about the Super Cool club or the Super Cool QL'er :P

In all honesty there r no super cool clubs in Doha....hell the number of clubs in Doha is VERY limited to begin with

As far as the extremely under-defined laws I heard once from an expat friend of mine that they r kept that way to let some ppl "slide" with a slap on the wrist if they happen to have a descent "wasta"

Korly : definitely not the Cube. I only was there once or twice. And regretted it.

The one I go to (Is super cool to me coz I get to meet with all my good friends) it’s our getaway for the weekend.

friend finder123 : yawns! Either say something intelligent/relevant to the posted topic or say nothing at all.

I certainly hope the MN wasn't refering to Cube as "one of the super cool clubs in Doha"

and if it were, I am sorry MN, then you really need to get out more;-p

Back to the topic on hand. I feel that 90% of the expats do adhere very well to the "undefined" laws of preserving the Qatari culture, and try their best not to offend them.

I as an expat do sometimes cringe at the things "insensitive" expats get upto, and have on occassion spoken to people dressed inappropriately about their clothing - mostly visitors to Qatar that had no idea they were dressed against the "informal" Qatari laws. However I point out that at every entrance to public places, there are guidelines for behavior and dress.

For the last few years, when I travel (with or without my employers), I have noticed that I have become quite "prudish" even outside of the country and am easily embarrassed by "overexposed dressing" or PDAs. I guess thats what being sheltered from that type of behaviour here in Qatar does to one.

I am not a person who enjoys clubbing, but on the odd occassion that I do go out, I never wear revealing clothes and always behave as if I am being watched by MOI. I always too, have to remember who I work for and would never want to bring shame onto a family who has been so good to me.

Marco, are you assuming that only expats are gay?

What is expected of gay locals, who are born here, and don't come from another culture.

Missteacher: LOL I HEAR YA!

Before arriving to any GCC/Muslim country. ones is normally under the impression that Islamic influenced societies have zero tolerance towards homosexuality and that it's considered a crime. Therefore gay people have to maintain a low profile regarding their sexual orientation.

However, Last night's shocking exposure flew right in the face of everything I heard/read coming here! lol

The bridge to bahrain is not cancelled and there is no holy water in Saudia except in Makkah. I think in clubs it's normal here couple make out all the time if they do it in mall or at some park then it different.

The bridge to bahrain is not cancelled and there is no holy water in Saudia except in Makkah. I think in clubs it's normal here couple make out all the time if they do it in mall or at some park then it different.

another fail planning, just like barwa etc,, and i have the feeling that Lucail city will fail to,, but hey this is the charm of Qatar

Lots of people hold hands in public...males/males males/females, but not many female/female. One time I was at intercontinental and there were a group of openly gay guys at the pool all over each other. I was quite shocked because it was in this country and no staff or anyone said anything to them.

fubar: The bridge to Bahrain was cancelled because The Saudis didn't like it. Some in some areas the bridge touched Saudi HOLLY WATERS!

I heard that this was why the bridge to Bahrain was cancelled.

They want to keep the girls further away. Build a bridge and in will flow alcohol, pork, girls and Saudis.

And that's something the Qataris might not tolerate.

LOL! oh, OK! I think i get it now lol

MN, and if you still don't understand it: if you have money, morals don't count. You make your own morals. Is that easier to understand?

"So then what kind of moral standards are expatriates in the Middle East suppose to go by?" is what you asked. well, do as the Romans do when you're in Rome.

I just gave you a hint what they really do!

LincolnPirate: church? What has a Guest house or church got to do with our discussion? I don't understand your comment. Care to elaborate more?

Well. The disparity already reaching a crescendo!

As much as the GCC doesn’t want to lose foreign attention and money yet very much do want to maintain the local heritage and culture which is something I’m totally in favor of. But com on somebody has to give in a bit at some point! Another thing is while all traditions/cultures/ civilizations around the world evolve and change over time, the process of turning this once small fishing harbor into an International Business/Sports/ Information Leviathan and centre of the world is bound to have casualties.

And super cool sadly the beautiful culture of the GCC/Qatar was not mentioned on the business plan when the area first welcomed in foreign business on this grand scale.

"be aware of the local regulations and respect the traditions and culture of the land they are residing in."

Exactly. If you have enough money you should rent a "Guest House" - also called "Church". There you meet your best friends and invite whores from Bahrain or from where ever they are available. It's only a matter of money!

When i go out and about i always hold my husbands hand..Never had a problem with it..Just keep yourself in check if your that bothered about rules and regulations..Let others worry about their own behaviour,if it doesn't concern you, why worry about it??..

Kiwiinqatar123: Yes. I totally agree that expats must always be aware of the local regulations and respect the traditions and culture of the land they are residing in. For example, Expats are expected to dress modestly (Again modesty by whose standards?) in shopping malls and about town, more so in the outer parts of the city. Short skirts (Again how short is too short?) shorts (what about all the tight and sagging jeans with butts sticking out that many of the local teens wear? I certainly find that more offensive than shorts yet the law says nothing about it.

Coming to the second part in your comment. I believe it is another yet another face of hypocrisy which gets to me. Because when people of those countries visit the west they take full advantage of the casinos the escort girls / other genders ( Well diferent ppl have diferent prefernces and tastes in life ya know!) And the alcohol and take full advantage of the great freedoms and liberties the West offers to practice and spread their culture because of the flexible and liberal laws.

When in their land they expect everyone else tone down their own life style and culture they are used to back home to conform to their way of life and their culture.

Considering that 1 in 10 people are gay, and that there are 1,700,000 people here, there is a chance that there might be a couple of gay people in Doha. Or maybe the people at Cube are just really good friends? ; )

@UkEngQatar

Oh was it the cube yall r talkin about!!???

I've been there twice MANY yrs ago never to return again...First time I thought maybe it was a gay party but the second night confirmed it...it's officially the mecca of gays in Doha!!!!

That's what happens when you go to Clubs like the CUBE. By name its a CUBE, which means it ain't straight!..:)

I got 2 quick points to make...

ONE...THERE ARE guidelines posted on the website of the Qatari Ministry of Exterior, and the tourism authority, plus another one printed in the monthly Qatar Airways magazines found on every flight....they r basic and general and I find them a bit exagerated...BUT THEY ARE IN FACT THERE and easy to be found

TWO...As far as morality goes I think BOTH sides could loosen up a bit, Qataris should relax the rules a tad more being that the expats are a majority in this country, and expats should try to understand the cultural difference and that Qatar will never be like Amsterdam or Vegas or Cancun....It might make it up to I dunno Texas type of freedom hehehehe

Having said that, I personally believe that for the most part almost all expats are very understanding with the exception of a very small minority, so it's time to start getting more liniancy around here and this is coming from a Qatari!!!!

Marco: "normal by the standards of this part of the world."

Should we not always follow the law of the land, and at least try to fit into the country in which we reside? Do we not have a moral obligation to learn the ways of the community/country so that we don't accidentally offend people?

I have lived in a few countries now and have always learned the unwritten social rules (sometimes the hard way) and adapted so not to offend the host nation's citizens on a daily basis.

Are you saying that people from this part of the word should not adapt to Western culture when living or visiting Western countries? Why/why not?

Anyone else feel free to chime in any time on this topic, too.

thwho, "female showing legs is evil and must be punish they dont have the right to show it!!" And you're from Hong Kong??? I've never seen so much bare-leggedness (is that a word?) as I've seen in Hong Kong. And I missing a language thing here?

Mandi

Sorry buddy ... slept off in the between reading your essay on morality .

A dilemma facing many locals. Qatar is trying to be "all things to all men". Stuck between Saudi and Dubai.

The answers are not straight forward. Someone has to decide and set clear guidelines and take a step by step approach to the future.

.Well now that we know what the thread is about. How about we invest more time on the content of the thread it self, other than on a disputed title? Perhaps you should try reading it one more time, maybe it will click the third time.

what's the relevancy of police in the text? i read it fully and slowly before i said what i said:

all this is eyewitnessing, not self policing

u didn't go to the guys and said stop kissing, or told someone to stop whisling did u?

what's the self policing in all that?

that's mere observations.

when i read the title i immediately thought that someone gave another a remark on their dress being unappropriate/unethical in qatar; that's self-appointed police. or someone in civil closes stopping another car and asking for IDs.

freedom is happiness, freedom means you can go to the mall every friday, freedom is you can drink at least moderate alcohol. freedom is you can go to the beach without being disappointed. freedom means you can hold hands with a female not just male. happiness means more places that i can hang out without being depress or bored( i have friends but no place to go). hapiness means more shopping malls etc. the list goes on,,

but in the end who em i to complain Im just an expat!! Qatar dont need expat that's why they are not building happy places,, Qatari are used to this so no problem with them

Ahh..Freedom. What is freedom? (This is directly related to this post BTW).

maybe next time if I lose my mind because of Ultimate boredom maybe i will disobey the rules, but right now I will hang on with my sanity after all Qatar is one of the Happiest country in the world, and as a human being happy is being free. although i cant find the freedom here ill just agree with them and imagine that im free as a bird, wow im losing my sanity again time to take some pills,

thwho186, that's actually better for you...but for me life would be pretty dull obeying the rules.

i got your advice flor1212

Ill just stick with the rules doha knight

and you can apply it anywhere else. You can do whatever you want, just don't be caught.

But since you said you don't disobey rules, it means you understand my advice!

thwho186,

yes, you can go to malls every friday...find a girl for the evening who poses as your girlfriend. You can hold hands with her..I have seen so many couples doing it. Watching porn is not very unusual at home for many.Being happy or otherwise is again an individual thing..you could lose your sleep thinking that you had raced your car much beyond the speed limit and broken the traffic rule...but what matters is that you didn't get caught by the camera.

im not a kind a guy who disobey the rules so your suggestion wont work for me..

so Ill rather kiss a guy in the chicks and hold hands with them instead of female.

female showing legs is evil and must be punish they dont have the right to show it!!

and oh nobody have a right to complain here in Qatar if your an expat!! they dont needs us!! they can expand their country without us,,

by the way you should believe that Qatar is the happiest place in the world!!

MikeOxbig said: Again your going off topic here.

Oh, there's a rule on who can enter malls on Fridays? Please elaborate.

Good post. This brings out multiple perspectives on interesting issues.

thwho186 : I have never been stopped from entering the malls on family-days.

From what I have noticed, only certain nationalities and certain people with certain accents are not allowed to inter malls on Fridays. Need I elaborate more? lol

just make sure the lights are off. And just make sure you are not caught! Simple rule, do not be caught!

I'm not interested enough in how you spend your nights to read through line by line. Point is: they weren't hitting on you so let it go. expats get lots of leeway because they keep the country going. as long as they are not in daylight public with local children running around, they can pretty much do what they want. live and let live.

Rules are pretty straight forward here..You can do anything you want, but

- Don't get complained against by a qatari or a lady

- Don't get noticed by a cop or caught by the camera

And in case, you are unlucky, have someone in the country who has a clout in the inner circle to take you out...:)

can i go to malls every friday? im single,, can i hold hands with a girl that I love? can I watch porn? can I be happy without disobeying the rule?

holding hands with the same s*x is legal, but holding a hands of a opposite S*x is illegal..

hi guys who want to hold hands with me in the public? I'm a 21 year old male, sorry ladies boys only

try to focus on something else. That's a serious advice! Lol!

MikeOxbig: Read the whole thing, and then comment again.

They weren't tryin to kiss you so what's the problem.

As for the pic the ladies on the right wish the had the body and looks of the one on the left.

adey: supper cool by Doha standards and compared to other shitty places i been to in this city. This one is deffy the best of 'em all. :D

"one of the supper cool night clubs in Doha."

I think I just wet myself laughing so hard. :D

Give this boy a comedy spot all to himself. :D

Thanks for making my day. :D

The Guys had Balls to Kiss Each other in Open Public Place...

Like nomerci said " Take it or Leave it "....

Marco, it's Qatar..take it or leave it ;)

What ever you say, feel, think or discuss...makes no difference. Or are you indeed, Qatari?

flanostu: what's jealousy to do with a topic discussing morality and community general ethical rules?

jealousy's a weak emotion

drsam: The title is relevant but you haven't been paying good attention.

ashraf_noor: Your question is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. Don't discuss me. Discuss the topic of the thread.

kiwiinqatar123: normal by the standards of this part of the world.

nomerci: WORD! LOL

try to point out one issue at a time so u can get gud feed back , there was many lines having no connection with each other and with topic as well,

go one bye one ,

and 1st line is ,,,,,,

r u local or expatriate ?

Bro..just go with da flow....;)

I am seeing 'a childish' picture by photographer.

Subject with back to camera though , may be she is too shy !!!???

too long, patch work, from gays, to whisling animals in malls, to deportation of V for flirting with K, to driving violations. and no mention of the "self appointed police" in the title.

I think you might want to be very careful about opening the topic of what boys get up to in clubs with other boys.

Maybe you weren't around in August of 2005 when a very well know Qatari was found in a bar in London doing things that eventually got him kicked out (of more than just the club, so to speak).

I would suggest that it would be unwise to rock the boat on this particular issue, since it's still a bit touchy.

I agree:

-Confusing morality standards laws

-ban on booze in public - good idea (except when I'm drunk)

Disagree:

"normal couples (boy-girl)" Subjective. Depends on your interpretation of normal. There are many perspectives to consider.

Nice write-up. It throws up many interesting questions.

"What kind of moral standards are [people from the Middle-East] in [Western countries] suppose to go by? When in Rome?

I was in the club partying with my mates.Its one of the supper cool night clubs in Doha.

Why are you in a place where such things are going on? And no, there are no booklets/brochures/official guidelines to educate people to my knowledge.

Perhaps you could write one and submit it to the MOI?