Looks or Substance

Healthy and happy are by far the most important aims in life.

Meat/ Fat/ Curves are for MEN, bones are for DOGS :-)

What/who is fat for then??

Meat is for MEN, bones are for DOGS :-)

Exactly ! :)

Miss Mimi we still love you no matter how you look..:)

Rizks, I look just like that. But with a bit less eye makeup.

by seeing MM's dp pic, i am even scared to comment anything wit tat killer looks...:(

in confidence... MM's popularity is well documented;-)

L.I.S and Britexpat.. "I love! love handles always works for me"

Xena.. I told you that in confidence about Miss Mimi..:)

Brit, and I still look back with fond memories! :0P

We must have frequented the same clubs in our youth.. :o)

You know how hot I think you are;-P

MM, you have always been sexy, and I know quite a few men on here who'd 100% agree with me!!!

QS - You are tiny - and sexy:-)

Now can someone please pass the Burger King:-D

easier to bed!

MM, try to limit calories from fat. 1200 calories received from relatively small McDonald's BigMac and 1200 calories received from huge Ceasar salad are not the same. BigMac's fat goes directly to your hips, belly and waist, and stays there forever, dammit!.. while salad gives you energy and lot of vitamins.

it'll do the trick!

I can't access it UkEng :(

Lol....like the analogy but Betty looks obese ...not curvy!!

Fair enough, each to their own...if you are happy, that's all that really matters I guess.

It's a statement MT.

Khanan lets keep it to woman. I was just kidding.

Is that a statement or a question MM?

And if I eat 1750, I'm fat.

ok, then eat 1750.. but don't eat 2500, that's all. :)

nah, MM.. with 1500-1600 calories a day you can get all necessary matters, for sure!

and about Oprah. I know how desperately she wanted to loose weight.. what just she didn't do.. I don't think her weight made her happy.. rather not..

The ideal calorie intake per day is 1750 to 2000 for a healthy woman QS. When I eat only 1500 calories a day I'm seriously hungry and cranky all day.

I would say 'Yes', they do and they want their woman/women to look smart in norm with present.

I love my Lola the way she is. She is Black, fluffy, snugglie, loud and cuddlie.

And I love her for just being all these things.

Khanan,yes. As long as it is what matters to her.;)

Looking at women 50 years ago..well, by the standards that are applied now, they are chubby...look ay Marylin Monroe..she was a sex idol then..today she would have to loose at least 10 kg.

Now,as we can see, times change, and standards with it. 100 years ago, women who were classed as beautiful would be seriously fat (look at paintings by the Old Masters) by today's standards.

I think balance is the key word here. Also, every person has her /his ideal weight, naturally...the weight one has and keeps if and when one lives a healthy lifestyle.

She is Gay :o)

Turning the discussion slightly. Is it the case that men are now also "forcing" women into thinking like this ?

LOL :)

I don'tcount my daily calories intake, but I am sexy and I know it ;)

I eat less than 1500calories some days.....

Khanan I love my women too just the way they are..:) lol

There's lots wrong with only eating 1500 calories a day for the long term! Especially for women.

It's just not healthy.

I like you too QS.. because you Canadian are some of the happiest people on this earth..aaah

Gotta go with the times I'm afraid....we aint in the 1960's!

I love my woman the way she is and that what matters to her.

MM, you might be not too slim, but definitely not obese, or even significantly overweight.. and as you said, this is temporary and understandable, for the obvious reason.. and I do know that you care about the way you look, like any other sane person... So you are all right :)

And nothing wrong with eating 1500 calories a day, limiting yourself a little bit. It's for your own benefits. You don't want to get into eating disorder and uncontrollable eating, right?

We all have to limit ourselves this way or another. Maintaining basic discipline in a right and healthy way doesn't have to make us unhappy.

I like you in all forms Miss Mimi..always have and always will..aaaahhh

Exactly Brit. Look at womanly ideals today, as compared to 50 years ago. 50 years ago men wouldn't have looked twice at Angelina Jolie and her stick figure.

Queen Latifah is HHHHOoooOOoooOOOOOOoooOOOOHHHOOOOOOOOOoo . OOOo .OO..... OOT! :P

Yep! Just look at Oprah or Queen Latifah. The media has played a major part in this. Up to the last century, Caucasian women were very comfortable with their bodies. The rot started as Hollywood and commercialization came to the fore.

Sadly, the same is now occurring in other societies.

Like how hot? Desert hot or tropical hot?

wow i'm melting already :D

yes she is very hot!!

MT: Coz no one likes to have a little blemish between their ears for a face :P

MT is she hot? if so i'd like to meet her :) thank you.

Yes....my flatmate is so slim and she hates it! She eats like a pig too and still doesn't gain weight! Makes it hard for me to be good when she is constantly eating lol!

Just kidding! Seriously though I am always happiest when I am at my ideal weight. Neither too fat or thin, a healthy body will more often than not breed a happier being.

Nishvantvshah: except it has so many chins and a face like a flower-- a cauliflower.

Round is a shape as well. Isnt it?

Well I'm not thin, slim or toned, especially not at the moment. And in order to be so I need to work out for at least 2 hours a day and eat only around 1200 to 1500 calories a day. Which would mean that I'm miserable. So I guess for me, I'd rather be a little overweight and happy, than skinny and miserable.

Exactly! @Qatarisun

Its true, in life people who look after themselves usually have better chances/opportunities then those who chose not to.

Missteacher, exactly my feelings. I cannot feel happy if I look bad. Of course, to look good or bad is subjective term. For me to look good is to be fit in the first place. So I definitely don't feel happy when i gain weight. It also brings me to the idea, again, that look is very important, especially for women. It is known that good looking people succeed much more often and in larger scale than those who doesn't care about their look. And I am not talking about natural beauty of the person. Even not too pretty woman can look great if she looks after herself, by taking care of her body shape, skin, hair, etc. And such woman even will look much better than the one with gorgeous natural feature, but obese and ungroomed.

odd comparison: "66% of overweight or obese black women had high self-esteem, while only 41% of skinny white women could say the same!"

And what about skinny black women and overweight white women? Maybe among skinny black women the percentage of self-esteemed women is much higher than 66%? And among overweight white women the percentage of self-esteemed women is much lower than 41%?

In this case it would give us different study result. It would show us that black women are happier in general, than the white ones, regardless to their weight..

I also doubt that "28% were also more likely to insist that being physically attractive is "very important", while only 11% of white women could say the same."

I am pretty much sure that 100% of ALL women think that being physically attractive is "very important", or even essential.

I don't really believe in such studies. They pull out the details out of the whole context, comparing the incomparable, and come to weird conclusions ..

I personally chose to be skinny and happy. Skinny for my health and look, and happy for my spirit, and by the way, for my health and look as well..

I think confidence comes from the support within the black community...big to most people is sexy...and represents fertility without much emphasise on health risks

I prefer hourglass shaped Sheilas with well invested pockets: P

I am not happy if im not comfortable with my weight...I prefer to be slim and toned.

I like a thin girl.

One thing I've learned so far that one thing which is precious these days is 'good health'...Most of the people (including my family) are not healthy each one is suffering with life threatning diseases (heart problems,asthma etc.)...So,to be healthy is most important either u r overweight or underweight...And when one is healthy he/she is happy...Personally I prefer thin...

I agree with NM...its like finding happiness in what you have/what you are... rather than being miserable for what you cannot be..

they should have made the survey to check also the partner's opinion about being fatty and if they are also happy with their big partner!?

I tell you what, if those obese and happy women were given the chance to become skinny without having to do something about it, they would do it faster than you can say GO! You bet!

Of course they can FS, but I'm just wondering if it was a choice, what would people choose. How important are looks to people?

Cant one be in perfect shape and still happy?

Now I know why many good looking white men are seen with Obese black ladies..:)

In "shape" implies skinny.

Nice doesnt have to be skinny. just one word only be in 'shape'

Historically, black and latino men love women with ''meat in their bones'', but its always a matter of preference