France's burqa ban starts tomorrow

Don't know, but I think they've migrated to the career fair thread. I haven't been called a racist or kafir yet, but it's coming.

What flag will he use this time?

Yes, he was sending threatening PMs to me saying he wanted to meet. I offered, he baulked, and then he got deleted. I am sure he will be back.

How convenient....and disappointing.

No idea. I am not a fan of MacDonalds in any country. Only time I deal with it is with the Big Mac index.

Qhris--Khalifakhanji has been deleted. So he will have to reincarnate to carry on the argument.

Petit-Mac?

That maybe so, but Do you know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France?

Britexpat--MacDonalds is one of the largest consumers of French agricultural products and and 98% of the franchises in France are French-owned. So French MacDonalds are all about France!

Qhris said "The French argument is that the covering stops identification, and threatens security.

Sadly, some extremist MEN will wear the Burqa, to try to evade security and commit terrorist acts, so the French say. They feel justified by protecting the majority, not the minority."

Which is unfortunately justified. It's the actions of a minority extremists that brought about this restriction and it is up to the moderates to band together and weed out those extremists. And it's not just in one religion.

Instead of criticisng the new rule, we should look at the bigger picture and acknowledge the root cause and deal with the problem at its roots.

Same thing for rules in Qatar as well. It used to be more liberal and accomodating but it was misused by a number of earlier expats and now, the rest have to suffer greater restrictions - why? The govt has to tighten its rules and enforcement to protect its people - rightly so.

Having said that, of course, the enforcement bit is still a fair bit off but at least they are doing something about improving things. And change for progress is painful and not without mistakes.

Khalifakhanji should return to the Stone Age where he belongs. People like him are the ones feeding the fires of anti Islamic extremists in the west. He is guilty of contributing giving Islam a bad reputation.

At this point, may I interject and ask for McDonalds to be banned from France also please....

I really don't see what the outrage is. First of all many Muslim countries ban the veil in government and semi-government buildings, including the UAE. Secondly, there are only 600 women in France who wear the veil in the first place. Thirdly the veil is not required by Islam. I'm all for freedom of expression but the French have always been about protecting and imposing French culture, and they always will be. If the women insist on wearing the veil, move next door to Germany.

I am really happy that Khalifa had it handed to him by a smart, intelligent and thoughtful Muslim.

There is really no way for him to escape out of this one, because when smart, intelligent non-muslims have made valid points, he falls back on the tired old 'Kafir' insult without actually having a constructive argument.

This will be interesting, he can't squirm out of it and call What Do You Want an impure human being, he is actually going to have to speak sense.

What Do You Want, thanks for speaking out and p.s. it is sad that there is so much misunderstanding that makes you frustrated.

what do u want--very good points.

I think their attacks on this thread are fueled by anti-West sentiments more than any desire for free religious expression. And their remarks only fit the false stereotype that plays into the politicians in Europe calling for such bans.

I'm a Muslim.. and I'm not a niqabi.. I am a woman wearing a hijab.. I love my religion.. and defend it dearly.. I hate it when people bash my religion.. I hate it when people misunderstand my religion.. I get frustrated.. and answer logically(check my previous answers on previous posts)..

you on the other hand Khalifakhanji, suprise me with your reactions! first stop being uptight.. second.. stop bashing and bad mouthing people.. u say astagfirullah on a video (that is filmed by french girls protesting the new law in their own way(they are not Muslims)) then u start using the F words bashing other people! that's contradiction! no need to talk(type) this way.. plus.. I didn't see anyone bashing but u! Frenchieman was reporting a story.. he didn't even insert his opinion in there.. so what's ur problem!?? please answer nicely and logically to give good impression about Muslims.. otherwise u failed!

Oman doesn't allow it in Universities either, GCC country.

WDUD

U are right, but sadly none of these countries claim to be democratic, free, liberal and Human Rights Champion. (Turkey is a different case, and slowly and steady their people are getting more religious freedom than the time it was Kamal Ataturk)

fyi.. in Syria.. the majorly muslim arab country, they have banned the face veil for a long time, now.. as a matter of fact girls are not allowed to wear headscarfs in schools! they changed it just recently.. niqabis were banned from studying in college and working afterwards..

in Tunisia.. another Muslim country.. the hijab(the headscarf) is banned in general.. a girl with a hijab canNOT do anything.. even their IDs should be without hijab!

in Turkey a 90% muslims.. turkish girls are not allowed to wear a hijab in school or colleges or any government job!

I'm not defending france.. I'm just saying that why don't we Muslims start changing the rules in our own counries before we criticize and bash a European country... just wondering!

In many countries he along with a couple of other users here can be sent to prison actually for repeated threats that they keep issuing, I wonder whether there is any provision in Qatar for such things.

Anyway for the topic in hand, well there should be freedom of choice in an ideal world and veils should have been banned only in places where security is an issue.

HGL

that was a FALTOO in MOD's book ;)

Khali--If you had QL so much, why are you here posting?

Frenchie--well said on the ban and french culture. I agree.

The facebook page will disappear soon too. Many are western bashing and inciting to violence, which mean facebook will ban it, them, and hand over their personal info to the US government and its allies. And facebook keeps logs of IP address log-ins for up to two years and as a matter of course they regularly share this info with the US gov. Personally I oppose such infringements, but there you go.

Alter

We're liberal according to our own definition. No woman should be told what to wear, and wearing disguises, masks, veils in public hide one's identity runs contrary to French culture. Fine for people to disagree and speak out against it. If enough people agree, then the law can be changed. In France this is everyone's right. I have no problem with women who where veils in this country, as this is the cultural norm. Women may not go topless at the beaches, but it is not the culture norm. And I am ok with that here too.

Yes I saw the anti-QL page on facebook. Very strange that all these angry people troll through QL to find posts they don't like so that they can complain about them. I think the disorder is called obsessive-compulsive?

Gone with the wind. RIP

Frenchie--I think anti-QL is a facebook page in which banned members get together and lament.

11:15 ppl still fighting

yawwwwwnnnnnnnnn...

frenchieman

i don't have problem with french watever law, but at least one shouldn't claim to be liberal in watever sense.

Anyway, have a look at Petty Mod here on this thread

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1749326#new

Frenchie--he says that people are insulting Islam whenever someone disagrees with HIM. He thinks he is the only good Muslim, despite all the swearing, graphic sexual posts and blasphemy.

And he Punjabi, not Qatari. Thanks for the pm heads-up guys.

He people like him are the reason why the punishment for forcing women to wear veils in France is so high.

Nobody is insulting Islam here except you Khalifakhanji.

I get Qhris insulting you and your religion. But where has Uranus and WK done this? Like I said, you are not Islam dude. And they are laughing at YOU. And you need to drop the god complex down a few notches, especially considering that they one-uped you and showed that you are not even who you say you are.

What is anti-QL?

And you would not be the first to complain about the freedom of speech on QL. Do you seriously not think that the government monitors the posts on this site in order to measure public sentiment and opinion? They're entirely aware of what transpires here, and for whatever reason they find that it is useful for it to continue. Blocking it (or at least strangling its traffic) wouldn't be that hard.

If you pay attention to the threads, you will find that an awful lot of Muslims disagree with you. Get over yourself.

And how can the mods be racist if they don't know our races? And religion isn't a race.

ignore once, ignore twice, who will tolerate anyone insulting islam. it is becoming open here.

Why not try ignoring them :O)

britexpat--I agree. Some women choose to wear veils, just as some women chose to go topless on beaches--both are fine in the right context. I was referring in my post primarily to the chauvinists on this thread making idle threats and wishing for the death of Frenchmen.

Born in Qatar (maybe), but Qatari? Definitely not.

None of these people you listed are insulting Muslims. They are insulting you, and you are not the embodiment of Islam with you obscene language, blasphemy and sexual imagery in your posts. You have been exposed.

we have discussed this so many times, yet people keep digging up the same old arguments for and against..

"Clearly some people like to put veils on their women and pretend that their god commands them to do it."

I agree... but then some women also make their own decision to do so..

Oh...so u (KK) are SK re-incarnate...

Agree with you brit, freedom of choice is every citizens right but that right must not jeopardize people's security. More so when the right doesn't have a religious compulsion. Like you can choose to have your car's window tinted but you can't in most parts of the world.

Thanx for the message. He's a funny guy--lots of bluster and no man to back it up. I don't think his parents will let him cross the street on his bicycle, so he's a limited in terms of mobility.

enyo--Uranus hasn't done anything. Khalifa is the one being obscene with his language and sexual imagery towards WK and calling Qhris and Uranus and me names, which is typical of him in every thread.

But let's stick to the topic of the thread. Clearly some people like to put veils on their women and pretend that their god commands them to do it. Good for them. But in France, that day is in the past. And for that I thank God. Viva la France!

Yes i kept quiet since morning kafir but peoples like u, uranus, frenchie, qhris are not going to stop insulting muslims. have a look in anti ql where u, mods and all are getting exposed.

i dont care iam deleted and who want to my nationality. iam born here in qatar. proud to be born in a muslim country.

Lol I am in Hyderabad, just come home..

I see what a respectful Muslim you are.

Can't see anyone else saying anything offensive here.

fcuker listen come face me; come along with uranus or ur hidding in india because of fear of me u go-mutra

Lol Khalifakhan just threatens people Uranus, I am waiting for an year now for my murder that he promised.

I think 'Khalifakhanji & Uranus1' are going to get banned...lollll

I did and you said wherever and whenever I want. I gave you three options. And you blocked your PMs. lol!

Kufar check your pm

rechargetv--uhh. Give France's geographic position, a tsunami isn't possible. But you keep hoping. Sick way of thinking. You weren't one of those idiots rioting in Afghanistan and killing innocents over what some idiot in Florida did were you?

Haven't you realized that the more you complain the less likely the French will change the law? The whole point of the law is that it sees such things and the burqa as foreign influence and the French had foreign influence. Duh.

What happened Khalifakhanji/faker? Here you are all tough saying you want to meet to prove you are who you say you are, sending me harassing PMs and such. As soon as I offer to meet you, you suddenly block your PMs. lol!

yall go to France & say whatever you wanted to say, nothing will get changed, because of your 'BLA BLA BLA' in QL

Whatever your interpretation of the Islamic dress code, this is more to do with freedom of choice..

Thank you for sharing

I think, Islam has a dress code but it does not require a woman to cover her face.

The generic requirements for women are...

1-The dress should cover the entire body up to the wrist and ankle including neck but excluding the FACE.

2-Head must be covered completely, no part of the hair should be visible.

3-The dress must be loose and must not be figure hugging.

4-The material must not be so thin that one can see through it.

Anything else is exaggeration.

RIP to the few second life of this thread

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1749326#new

Mod Uncle, U really doing Naughty now ;)

How about hoping there isn't a tsunami anywhere, idiot?

I like how you say that sitting in safe Qatar, take it you don't have any family in France then.

the next tussami will be in France...just keep in memory

lol

again missing "phee" in my key board ;)

Problem is, when is "later"?

complain later! Now the problem is, when is "later"?

Yes Tinker, lets make it round --- FALTO :P

Frustrated again?

Are you actually saying, as fact, that the Sun DOES NOT cause cancer?!

The sun causes cancer too.

You have more of that in the Middle East than France has wine, you loser.

I agree with Uranus - their country, their rules. in a muslim country we live by their rules, in a French democracy - unfortunately... all have to live by their rules.

To someone who said: it is their country... well - majority of them would be immigrants (albeit maybe 3rd generation, but still) by chosing to live in France / taking French nationality, anyone effectively choses to live in that society! sorry, but still - live by the rules of the society you chose to live in

RIP jhon jani and talwar

They drink real drinks there. Like wine. And beer without 0% alcohol. And eat proper cheese.

In short, they know how to eat and drink properly.

He will take you for Bebsi and Bobcorn :-p

Check your pm

First he says he will go and then he stay. So intimidating.

OK Khali. Let's meet. PM me. I really am off for the night, but I will gladly get back to you tomorrow.

tick tock tick tock tick tock....wasting time here still?....

Thank you

let us ban bras to promote gender equality !

khalifa good luck with the hate team !

You've been here all day! You can't be that busy, you've 'wasted time' since this morning :-)

I think their point is that it is in the interests of the security of the majority.

In a democracy everyone gets a vote, but it is unrealistic to assume everyone will get what they want; that is lawlessness. Welcome to Haiti, for that example.

The French argument is that the covering stops identification, and threatens security.

Sadly, some extremist MEN will wear the Burqa, to try to evade security and commit terrorist acts, so the French say.

They feel justified by protecting the majority, not the minority.

I have no time to waste on that forum and if you are so interested to know about my nationality meet me in personal and i will answer that

I thought you were leaving the forum Khalifakhanji. More empty promises . . .

You should check on the forum on faking a nationality.

I posted this about two months ago..

they were French art students doing a project and trying to make a point...

btw.. the women in the above youtube video are not Muslims.. they were a couple of girls who didn't think banning the niqab is right.. and they protested in their own way ;p

About the video i can only say astagfurullah

And the collapse of the French republic starts from tomorrow

when u say their country their rules, that doesn't make any sense! coz the girls with the niqab are French people! they have rights in France! they should be protected by their own government*the french* not arrested by them!!!!

anothr funny thing.... plus what do we do about these guys? how does the "police" decide what to do with them ??

Given the motto of the country , it is a strange decision. However, i agree with you about changing the law democratically..

Best solution is to wear hijab and a medical face mask.

Their country, there rules. As is so often said about Qatar on QL--they can leave if they don't like it. Or, because, France is democracy, they can vote for a change in government that would enable them to change the law.

Makes me sad when I see a government imposing laws on what we wear. I can see it back-firing in a big way on the French Gov.

May God forgive us all.....

as it says in my Holy book...

"For all have fallen short of the glory of God."

Of course it is. And why is he trying to pretend he is Qatari?

Its better to hear from those who are living in a society link french have it.

Your post comes across as if you think yourself some sort of prophet. Isn't that blasphemy?

And why are you trying to pretend you are Qatari?

can anyone guess it right, what will be the next step in france, right now they are alergic with a Burqa, next i guess full dress, later on two piece, and at the end what exactly will be situation in france?

This might help upcoming generation of immigrant parents!!!

However french police have also been ordered NOT to arrest women wearing the veil near a mosque, and it only applies to about 600 women living in France anyway as the vast majority of French Muslim women do not wear the veil.

We cover up here, they uncover there.

All's fair.

qatar is supposed to do?