Saudi Prince Murders Servant

its not good to insinuate on others.

I know what you mean already, just being careful not to get the thread deleted:-)

Bunnyhug , my words are more specific for female version of hidden gays on this thread ;O)

So Cryspy, in other words, your saying we have a 'closet' gay here:-)

some people seem more comfortable for being a gay, but shy to admit openly, and thats what going on this thread.

Start a separate Gay thread if you feel so intense about homophobia ............. for or against!!!

If gayness comes into the murder of this guy, then stay focused!!!!!

Where are the mods when you need them ........... or is that being ironic? This is not a gay thread, read the post!!!

lol Oryx.

We have some people here who argue anything everything just for the sake of it.

Saying this nicely: You are homophobic. Just be honest with yourself.

I don't think the sexuality should come into this trial. This guy killed someone khallas - let him face a sentence.

The prosecution are using sexuality as grounds for a manslaughter not murder charge.

what was this thread about again?

why would you want them to seek councelling?

Are they not nice people as they are? Who are you to judge and tell them they need councelling? Its not a mental condition Flor...

as has been posted here numerous times, its something they are born with - do you really think anyone in their right might would mentally tell themselves they are gay, if they aren't?

Why would anyone put themselves in that kind of situation (unless they are looking for attention, which most people aren't) Much of society still isn't used to all this "homosexuality" hype, but you think that people will tell themselves they are gay even if they aren't, and its nothing that a little therapy wouldn't fix?

If I am one, I wouldn't even discuss such thing here!

ho·mo·pho·bi·a   

–noun

unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

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homophobia (ˌhəʊməʊˈfəʊbɪə)

— n

intense hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality

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homophobic? Just thinking or wanting them to go for counseling is already homophobic? If they seek counseling, fine, if they don't also fine, so where's homophobic there?

You are either homophobic or totally confused....

You cannot accept a gay friend AND want him/her to change his/her ways - then technically you are homophobic - and so we are back to the beginning.

Its like me saying I love animals, but then saying but I cannot stand having animals around me.... see, a totally contridictory statement.

I eat with them, talk with them and enjoy their company. Many misunderstood my comments!

My opinion is they need counseling to go back to what is natural, man and woman, not man and man or woman and woman. It's how it should be. But of course,if one doesn't believe in the Creation theory, they will not accept this.

I am not homophobic, that's what others want to picture us or those who opposed their views in one thread!

you need to reword how you feel, because what I got out of the post I clarified on, is that you are homophobic.

When in actual fact, you just don't like gay PDAs (Public displays of affection).

my view. I have a lot of gay friends. They can come to us eat n our house or even sleep there. But when they start dating same sex, they need to do it discreetly, not in front of me or if they start it, I need to go away. What they do is for them to enjoy. Sorry, maybe my personal conviction (my religion) influenced me a lot. I accept them as human but to me a same sex relationship is a no no, unless I don't see it! So I hope it clears things now! I don't want two guys kissing in public openly (as in kissing).

Now before anybody contradict the "abnormality" thing, this is my view as I respect others views. Check my previous comments on similar issues!

It's posted before in February.

totally contridicts your first...

'But honest and many time I said, gays are okay with me. It's their sexual preference that I don't AGREE.'

YOu cannot be ok with gays if your don't agree on their sexual preference. Besides the word "gay" meaning the obvious - "she is a gay and happy person" the word gay means someone who prefers their own sex...

I hate to tell you this Flor, but you do seem to have a problem with "gay" (those who prefer same sex partners) people.

And he'll probably get asylum because sending him back may lead to him being mentaly / physically abused..

he is glad he is in the UK. Will probably get 20 hours community service and a 50 quid fine!

I respect your view. But honest and many time I said, gays are okay with me. It's their sexual preference that I don't AGREE. Read it again, I don't agree. If you have a human brain, you should understand what I'm saying!

plus, there are straight people who do . Has nothing to do with being gay.

cryspy, most gay people do not practice S&M.

Yukkkkkkkkkkh

Hence proved that, Gays are tasteless ;O)

in the lift and with the evidence piling up I don't see how this guy can get off easy. But knowing our courts, I am sure he will :(

Flor, you really have a problem treating gay people like humans, don't you?

looks like this Bandar was the Prince's "biatch".....

this prince should be banned from teaching in public school! Lol!

Updated pictures showing an earlier assault ....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317865/Gay-Saudi-prince-strangled-servant-Landmark-hotel-sexually-motivated-killing.html

will turned this into mental illness and I am sure the guy will escape the punishment...

He deserve the capital punishment as per the shariah law which I afraid he will get if extrradition to Saudi Arabia. Let the UK courts decide his fate and give him the maximum punishment for this crime.

so wat was decided?

the killer will hang on till death, will get a vip protocol in safe heaven, or will get release?

it's quite simple. If a major arms deal with Saudi is on the table, then the verdict will be lenient.

In fact, depending on his 'wuster', this court case may just prompt Saudi to show an interest in purchasing some British built fighter jets (I am sure there will be some hidden strings attached)!!!!!

i can't wait to read how will it be covered in Saudi media. Saudi bloggers and tweets are keeping silence.

I agree with Britexpat, that it might be a sex game went wrong.

The victim is a saudi. Although Saudi abolished slavery in the 1960's and slaves were granted citizenship , many remained working for the Al-Saud.

The only difference is this:

"Saudi Arabian sources claim the man died as a result of an injury sustained during an earlier street mugging."

This is debunked by the CCTV footage of the accused causing these injuries. Plus the Police pathologist said the injuries on the deceased were fresh and could not have been sustained on the night the Saudi Prince says the man was mugged.

It was probably a little different because all the facts had not been taken into account. Now that we are at the trial stage, everything is coming out.

yep...even i was thinking the same that i heard this story before. now there is a slight change in the story i guess...

anyway check the link below, it was reported in feb 2010

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252107/Saudi-prince-charged-murder-servant-strangled-star-London-hotel.html

I remember when it happened - the accused refused to talk and then we heard nothing more of the case.

After months of Police investigation charges have been made and this is the prosecution's evidence, as given in court - you will have to wait until they have finished to hear the defence arguments - this may tally more with the version you previously heard.

Ps he is admitting manslaughter but denying murder.

this was first reported a month or so bck, and it was an entirely different version that had come out. How come it is different now? There is something wrong here.

:O

that is beside this point ;)

Are you Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud?

Stop your flirting!

Tinker - Can you please stay a little longer here?

hi

I don't think so. How can one person be a gay, a torturer and a murder at the same time! Something is not right here.

FU and I are just pre-empting the anti-West comments coming this way - we have both been here on QL long enough to know it's only a matter of time; in fact where are they, they're taking their time!

Sorry to dissapoint you FU - this case is as real as it can get. It will be the sentence that won't do justice to the deceased.

A beast

having read FU's comment I have changed my mind - there is no case, there is no murder, there is , in fact, no Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud.

It's all made up - lots of women walk naked in the streets of London, don't you know!

FU - ;)

follow the US policy....death penalty is all that this mad guy deserve!!

This guy will,in all likelihood be "exiled" for a couple of years as "punishment"...meaning he will live a life of luxury somewhere in Europe,probably preying on other gays in the process & be allowed to return to Saudi @ the end of his "sentence"...so much for justice...

I think this is a made up story. No truth init whatsoever.

A catalogue of assualt on the deceased.... Sadist !

Was the victim also Saudi?

But the court is only interested in what really happened on the day of the murder.

Most papers are saying that he was abused on a regular basis and was very submissive.

It could be a sex game gone wrong. Even so, he should be done for murder..

about sex game gone wrong. I think this particular case sounds like murder, but don't trust our courts to see it that way.

what is the difference between killing and murder

Apparently the guy was regularly beaten and abused. According to some papers they travelled together leading quite a hedonistic life.

I hope that they don't turn it into a crime of passion :O(

given the nature of his injuries and eye witness accounts that the victim was being beaten on several occasions over a month - some caught on hotel CCTV:

"The body of Mr Abdulaziz was found lying on his bed in a pool of blood. He had been punched in the face, strangled and bitten, the court was told. His lips had been split open and his teeth broken, bones in his neck had been fractured and he had suffered brain injuries.

The prosecutor said: 'Of particular relevance to the nature of the attack suffered by Banda were signs that he had been bitten. It is certainly not a typical feature of such violence and bite marks to the cheeks have an obvious sexual connotation.'

The pair had arrived at the hotel in Marylebone Road on January 20. Officers recovered CCTV from the hotel lifts which showed Al Saud subjecting Mr Abdulaziz to a 'really nasty assault' on January 22.

Further footage captured another attack on February 5 and a third on the night of the killing where Al Saud was seen kicking the victim.

Mr Laidlaw said Mr Abdulaziz appeared to have been 'bearing the signs of injuries' throughout his stay in London but the assault on January 22 seemed to be the first captured on film.

The men had spent the evening of January 21 at the Matsuri restaurant in St James before going on apparently to a bar or club. Returning to the hotel at about 4am, the prince began attacking his servant in the lift, the court heard.

'It is a nasty assault with the victim suffering a whole series of blows being struck with both fists and elbows,' said Mr Laidlaw.

On January 24 when they went out for dinner to a restaurant, where Mr Abdulaziz kept his hat, coat and sunglasses on throughout, the court heard. A barman noticed his lips were swollen and he seemed to have trouble eating.

One of the porters noticed a couple of days later that his face was swollen and he 'looked like he had been badly beaten up', the jury heard. Mr Abdulaziz was persuaded to take a taxi to hospital where he was treated but 'appeared reluctant' to report the assault on him to police.

A sister in the accident and emergency department at St Mary's Hospital said it was the 'worst injury' of its type she had ever seen. It turned out to be so severe that it needed reconstructive surgery, the court heard."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317865/Gay-Saudi-prince-strangled-servant-Landmark-hotel-sexually-motivated-killing.html#ixzz11UpX32XA

justice should prevail! they should put him behind bars!

meaning that due caution was not taken but the intent to murder was not there.

a gay murderer will not get less than death as per sharia..in the UK he would probably get a long jail term..

eventually, as he is the prince, his clout would probably help him get his sentence reduced to a few years.

No idea WK. He is royalty? Hmmm.... manslaughter? Who knows what kind of deals will be made due to the 'oil' in Saudi...

I know what would have happened if it was the other way around - the poor servant would have probably been sentenced for murder, pure and simple.

Manslaughter... across the globe only a few crimes like this come out; many are burried and never known.

What are the expected charges if he says it was a sex game gone wrong?

Only in Saudi rishimba? Everywhere in the Middle East! This case has thankfully been made public because it happened in a CIVILIZED country. Now let's hope the gay murderer gets what he deserves!!!

what is the social status of maids or male servants in saudi? are they treated as human beings at all....i wonder?

this incident is in the news simply because the crime was committed in UK.

have you guys ever thought about the hunderds of such cases of ill treatment in saudi which are not reported..

with the name al Saud, it would probably have been swept under the carpet... he might have just been placed in exile and then he would have been free to carry on this type of assult again...

Not so sure being in Saudi would have been the better option....

Our courts are full of liberal twats and we don't have the death penalty :(

since the murdered happened in civilize society, hope so the culprit will not escape, and will get punishment.

I think he is 100% Saudi.

Maybe he was of German origin?

Sadist personality

shares a room with his male servant and he is not gay. Somehow that is probably a bigger worry for him being outed as gay than being outed as a murderer.