The West boycotts UN "anti-racism" conference
A major UN conference on racism looks to be in disarray as more countries confirmed they will not take part.
Australia and the Netherlands joined the US, Israel and Canada in boycotting the Geneva talks. The UK is sending a delegation, but no senior official.
The move is over concerns about anti-Israel and anti-Western bias. Iran's president, who has denied the Holocaust, is to address the meeting.
The talks are meant to review progress in fighting racism since a 2001 forum.
That conference, in Durban, ended in acrimony when Arab countries tried to define Zionism as racism.
Incitement
Less than a day before it is due to get under way, the five-day Durban Review Conference is being overshadowed by political wrangling between western and Muslim nations.
Regrettably, we cannot be confident that the conference will not again be used as a platform to air offensive views
Australian government statement
The draft final declaration has been causing much heated debate.
It has been watered down, with all references to Israel and the Middle East removed.
However, at the request of Middle East nations, it still contains a clause about the incitement of religious hatred.
Many Western countries see this as a curtailment of free speech.
They are also uncomfortable with the presence of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.
He is the only major leader to accept an invitation to the forum, which he will address.
He has in the past described the Holocaust as a myth, and many UN member states don't feel they should be present if he does this again, says the BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva.
'Abused'
The US state department's confirmation of a boycott late on Saturday was followed by declarations from other western nations.
Iran's president is due to address the conference on Monday
"Regrettably, we cannot be confident that the review conference will not again be used as a platform to air offensive views, including anti-Semitic views," said a statement from Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith.
The Netherlands declared on Sunday it would not be a party to any attempt for the conference "to be abused for political ends and attacks on the West," Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen said.
A meeting of EU representatives has been called for Sunday evening to evaluate the group's stand on attending, Reuter news agency reported.
However the UK will send a delegation to the conference, but without a high-level official.
It has indicated its diplomats will leave the hall if President Ahmedinejad repeats his attacks on Israel, says our correspondent.
Human rights groups and UN diplomats are dismayed that what should an important event has descended into politics, she adds.
damn.... then it means m ain't eligible for the rest half to be read...
Is it.... YesWhycombdsar or Easy Commander.....wild thought is it - extension of Mercer's theorem ???????? Jus in case.....
Ashhole??? Wht siht is that,,,, Spell it correctly... At least you ll feel happy.... with this one,,, none is.....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
"Half of EsyYcmdcer's Post are copy paste....
Read the other half....that's after learning how to pronounce names
Half of EsyYcmdcer's Post are copy paste.... its like reading these 4 pages all over again....
man you know... Forget rape.... let it be for those who committ...
Tell me what happened to the Summit????
Summit... Look at the Heading of this forum....
Summit..... when was it.. how it went???
You know everything... let me know this too....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
"egypt has much higher rape figures compared to UK, and south Africa has the highest Rape figures"
But I didn't know that you were half blind, too.
Here is what I said:
"Ask the zillions of western fathers who rape their daughters on daily basis."
Now surely, as a westerner, you are very familiar with what I am saying.....and on daily basis
"UmmJake and EsYyCmdcer .... Your Names... I swear to God....Both I don know how to be pronounced..."
I can't believe that you have a problem with pronouncing my name!!!
Here, let me help you....it's pronounced like:
EsYyCmdcer
See? It's not that difficult, after all!
Shajith - pls dont crosspost with topics that have nothing to do with the thread.
Wats your view on the following topic:
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/483719
No need for rape theory - just basic math, which
western-ophobic's often fail at.
Which Schools giving degree in rape theory????
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Plato said:
Of course, i forgot saudi Arabia was in the west. Sorry for not noticing it, it borders Germany and Afghanistan right?
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An Afghanistan too is in the west ;) - that also still practices legal peadophillia.
p.s EsYyCmdcer - you fail at maths - egypt has much higher rape figures compared to UK, and south Africa has the highest Rape figures by a massive margin.
In uk 11,000 rapes in Egypt 20,000 rapes, egypt has 74 million people and UK has 60 million people. Back to school EsYyCmdcer
http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?ReportId=76827
"and you are still (baselessly) arguing with "an 8 year old child"!!! What does that make you? An american?"
Airsupply: you are only 8 years? I should have known, such logic can only come from someone that young
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
and you are still (baselessly) arguing with "an 8 year old child"!!! What does that make you? An american?
Guyz... A debate is fun when you oppose and question the stand of a man... and not the person himself....
Only Animals with stronger will can control there urge to criticize a person....
A true man never wastes his time even in thinking about tht...
I am not going against freedom of speech.. pls don get me wrong... But if few rules followed. the game is beautiful...
Why you think we have Yellow and Red card in Football???
UmmJake and EsYyCmdcer .... I see something common in both of you.....
Your Names... I swear to God.... :)
1. Both I don know how to be pronounced in one breath
2. Wht to they mean...?
Weather you agree or not no social problem today is restricted in the geographical limits of one particular country or one particular continent... (If you guyz dare to think little bigger)....
These problems or issues exist... the problem is not where they originated from and where they are now in good numbers...
Problem is Why it is Growing???
And how to solve it????????????????
Saying Dude Don do it is not working.... tried and failed..
I don't have a solution... thought over it... Blind eye towards everything and saying "it is will of God" is very much like saying "I do not know"
Think for a solution.... Not today not we... But tomorrow even our children would be in the nouns specified here... I would not like tht... How can I stop tht from happening?????
You guyz can help me get a solution to this.... I am really concerned.. for my kids to come... and brethren living with me the very present....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
"Why I am not a Muslim"
LOL!
There but for the grace of God go I...
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
you resolve to attack and insulting people because, being an american, you lack the brains, decency and logic to have a valid argument.
I am glad to be holding the mirror in your face, to help you see your inner ugliness!
(and, yes! you do smell!)
"Really? Who are you trying to fool? Wake up man. If there is any pedophilia, it’s in the west!"
Of course, i forgot saudi Arabia was in the west. Sorry for not noticing it, it borders Germany and Afghanistan right?
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
rapier intelligence and wit, EsYyCmdcer.
You're like that 8 year old kid on the playground whose snazziest retort is, "Yeah? Well,...umm....you're just stupid and ugly! And you smell too!"
What you don't know wouldn't just fill a book,it would fill a freakin' Library of Congress full of books...
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
“I suppose I'm not surprised by the lack of a substantive reply. People like you never really want to try and defend their point of view.”
…specially when you (ummjake) are not worth the effort!
“If you're going to hint and nudge and imply but never really say it, then I guess it's not anything worth my addressing.”
I’m glad that you have FINALLY figured it out!
“Re: Elvis -- should I lower my level…”
More than the ‘ummjake’ that you are? I don’t think so! That’s low enough!
“If I overhear someone insulting Jesus or Barhma or Jah while I stand in line at the bank, I am justified in shooting them, according to you?”
If the names you mentioned were also singing in the same band with Elvis, then it is you who have put yourself in that low position, and there is no need for any other person to insult your beliefs because you have already degraded yourself.
If those names where messengers of God, then you should respect them as holy figures, but NEVER worship them, for if you worship a human being, then again you have degraded & insulted yourself.
Speaking of shooting people standing in a line at the bank, you as an American, don’t need any justification for such actions. Americans do such killings everyday, all around the world….and they don’t have to explain why!
“Lesbians and gays and children born out of wedlock and people canoodling with others they aren't married to...yeah, it happens here.”
I know…just go see the American School of Doha
“Me and my God are fine with things.”
You mean with Lesbos, gays, bastards, pedophiles and the like? That’s one ‘unique god’ you got there!
“Whose culture is it to legally marry children to 50 year old men!!”
I don’t know, Road! Ask the zillions of western fathers who rape their daughters on daily basis.
“This is pedophilia and illegal in west!”
Really? Who are you trying to fool? Wake up man. If there is any pedophilia, it’s in the west!
“In my entire lifetime in the US, I have never seen as many gay men as I have in my two years here”
Homosexuality is not allowed & illegal in these parts of the world, and is condemned by all religions!
Since you have spent an “entire lifetime in the US”, then we can’t really trust your claims, because you lack creditability.
We need to check with all the fathers of Mikayla, mom!
Airsupply:
"These 'many things' which you are 'enduring' has led to numerous social diseases in your societies, to a limit that the people of those societies are jealous to see that there are still some societies around the world which are considered pure, hence the insistance to destroy them, in the name of 'liberation', 'freedom', and 'human rights'."
And what countries are those that are stil pure?
"Exactly my point (above) about the social diseases which you are eager to spread in conservative societies in order to turn them into diseased ones, similar to the one you come from....which makes you a 100% westerner."
hmmm, you mean that in our societies minors marry to guys that could be their fathers/grandfathers?
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
And why do you feel tht is wrong... I mean gays???
It is not the decision they have taken... or got motivated to behave such way for a promised land or heaven after death,....
They do it.. because a guy finds a Guy hot n sexy.. like we the conventional fellows find chicks hot n sexy...
They shall not be able to produce Kids.. if tht is why you oppose.. then do not indulge in Adultery... even tht is not gonna produce kids...
Its hormonal stuff... can you make a fellow like Strawberry flavor if his favorite is Butter scotch???
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Roadtester, I was wondering who was going to catch that and bring it up. You forgot about the number of gays here though. In my entire lifetime in the US, I have never seen as many gay men as I have in my two years here.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
We wouldn't want to be living in diseased societies were homosexuals or pedophiles are considered normal & legal, would we?
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Oh the irony
Whose culture is it to legally marry children to 50 year old men!! This is pedophilia and illegal in west!
People like you never really want to try and defend their point of view.
"Yes I am referring to something specific, and I'd like to keep it this way. You are not going to tell my how I should compose my posts!"
If you're going to hint and nudge and imply but never really say it, then I guess it's not anything worth my addressing.
Re: Elvis -- should I lower my level of rhetoric so you don't get distracted by my examples designed to make a point about the flaws in your line of thinking? I guess so...
Okay, so let's say I DON'T workship Elvis (since you seem to be having such a hard time getting beyond the obvious in this case). Let's say I worship Jesus, or Brahma, or Jah. So if I overhear someone insulting Jesus or Barhma or Jah while I stand in line at the bank, I am justified in shooting them, according to you -- sa?
And newsflash: all those "social diseases" you seem to be so very afraid of are already here, habibi. Lesbians and gays and children born out of wedlock and people canoodling with others they aren't married to...yeah, it happens here. It's called the human condition, and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Me and my God are fine with things.
Thanks for your congratulations! ;-)
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
I do apologize to adey. I should have said "ummjake"!
Once again, ummjake, you are displaying your ignorance and lack of education about all the things you mentioned.
"Are you referring to something specific here? Then say it"
Yes I am referring to something specific, and I'd like to keep it this way. You are not going to tell my how I should compose my posts!
"So if I worship Elvis.."
If you worship Elvis, then it is you who have put yourself in this position, it is you who have degraded and insulted yourself, and there is no need for any other person to insult you (it doesn't make any difference, in this case)
"... lets me endure many more things..."
These 'many things' which you are 'enduring' has led to numerous social diseases in your societies, to a limit that the people of those societies are jealous to see that there are still some societies around the world which are considered pure, hence the insistance to destroy them, in the name of 'liberation', 'freedom', and 'human rights'.
"If my son turns out to be gay, I will love him and support him. If my daughter chooses to live with a man and raise a child with him without being married, then I will love and support her/them. If my sister marries her girlfriend, then I will love and support her/them.
This doesn't necessarily make me western (though I am), but it does make me a helluva lot more tolerant and less hateful than you."
Exactly my point (above) about the social diseases which you are eager to spread in conservative societies in order to turn them into diseased ones, similar to the one you come from....which makes you a 100% westerner.
If your 'god' approves gays, lesbos & bastards, then 'mabrouk' to you your 'god'. You seem to fit each other!
About hate; I am glad that I am holding the mirror to show you the real you
:-)
These are my words, EsYyCmdrcer:
"...you both (CBD and EsYyCmdcer) seem to be arguing that it's your RIGHT as Muslims to respond in any way you want...
If that's not special treatment you're expecting, then I don't know what is...
So grow some thicker skin and join the rest of the civilized world instead of rattling your sabers and behaving like petulant children who don't get exactly what they want."
And to respond to your points:
"1.You don't know the meaning of "special treatment", and you need to be educated about it. (One example of a special treatment is when you accuse the countries of the world that they have caused damages to your race of people, and you force these countries to pay your people money/compensation, decade after decade)"
Are you referring to something specific here? Then say it.
"2.No one here, EVER said that Muslims have the right to repond, in any way they see fit!
We are arguing that humans, irrelevant of their religion, have the right to respond in any way they see fit, if you insult their beliefs and holy figures.
Violent reactions to racist insults, will not lead to the extinction of humanity as you are claiming. They will lead to the extinction of those hateful racists who think that the freedom of speech give them the right to insult certain races of people."
Again, following this line of logic, I would be justified in blowing the brains out of anyone who uttered something that I interpreted as maligning my beliefs or holy figures. So if I worship Elvis and the guy next to me in line at the bank says "Elvis sucks", then I'm within my rights to shoot him -- sa?
"3.You are proud to have a thick skin, you think that this makes you a 'civilized' person, and you are calling others to follow your example!!!
Having a 'think skin' makes you a lower man, with less dignity and cheaper values/morals.
If 'thick skin' is civilization, then decent men better stay 'babarians'!
I think having a thick skin is a survival adaptation, and it lets me endure many more things with a smile on my face than you clearly can...
4.You are not able of making a valid or logical argument, that is why you are resolving to insulting people by calling them 'petulant children', while it is clear that it is you who lack a lot of education about honor, dignity, and the facts of life."
I believe I have made a valid argument -- it's you who can't seem to address the fallacies in your line of logic too see that using your standard of "justifiable response" would result in a ridiculous reality in the world.
"Adey, if you shut up about insults against your beliefs/gods, then you will do nothing about your son turning gay, then you will shut up about your daughter living with a man without marriage and having children, then you will shut up if your sister decided to marry her girlfriend, then this makes it a western society, while mine is eastern....and we will NEVER meet!"
I know what I believe, as does the God I believe in, so I have no need to prove things to anyone else. If my son turns out to be gay, I will love him and support him. If my daughter chooses to live with a man and raise a child with him without being married, then I will love and support her/them. If my sister marries her girlfriend, then I will love and support her/them.
This doesn't necessarily make me western (though I am), but it does make me a helluva lot more tolerant and less hateful than you.
:-)
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
Newton's fourth theory:
"if you can run around an apple tree with the speed of light, you might be able to screw yourself"
:-)
CBD choose a side...
Don be a daddy.....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
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EsYyCmdcer... C2D... n Plato36
Adding Scientific Spine to the argument...
Truths shall always be true.. always...
Gravitational Force Existed before Newton formulated it... It is there now.. it ll exist even if we forget the formula....
Quran/Religious Scripture is all truth....
It ll be there always and shall be unaltered.... How can you improve upon ultimate truth.....
But understanding shall differ...
Newton saw a Apple falling and was gravitational force...
Today we Send Rockets n satellites bcoz we know n studied Gravitational Well...
Not tht Newton was not good enough.. during his time.. he was answering other issues.... the then important ones.........
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Popcorn girl has a point though..it is very common on QL to keep drifting from the main topic..relax guys and be flexible..
you are right too and I think no problem in discussing religion here and even if totally different issue provided it is done collectively..
Pron Girl...
Only Accounts don't recarnate... even threads do... this is third round of fire....
The people writing don mind... people readin Don mind... Why are your wrong areas itching to see a thread cross 200+ posts....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
here are some extracts from the main post:
"being overshadowed by political wrangling between western and Muslim nations...
...it still contains a clause about the incitement of religious hatred."
Can you sense the hints to 'religion', in the above?
Is it true that the author of this Thread is abroad attending the above Conference?
certain world leaders missing a UN meeting on rascism not a religious thread.
at least someone is talking sense at last!
Islam or the Quran will NEVER be updated, altered or modified.
People drifting away from religion and making their own rules, will increase, that I agree with and I call it 'westernization'!
The others who prefer to stick to origins, have all the right to do so.
We wouldn't want to be living in diseased societies were homosexuals or pedophiles are considered normal & legal, would we?
Hmm... I do not see anywhere "do not understand it in a better way and jus like how your father thought"
Or does Preserve mean do not take it to next level....
Actually weather you accept or not.. changes happen
See the religion is still the same..
Number of people following it the true way changed (reduced if I could say so)
Number of people breaking the rules increased... and came up with "this is acceptable" attitude...
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
"As Adey said, Islam will be updated"
...and have a lot to learn about Islam.
Remember the verse:
"We have ordered this religion, an We are preserving it"
I think that some of my muslim brothers are forgetting that in the Qur'an, Allah advises us to keep reasoning and to prove that we are right.
As Adey said, Islam will be updated and that's what may it to ressurge again as strong as it was in the 8th century, when it didn't had so many conflicts with science.
Maybe we should take the Qur'an as a book that gave us the basic teachings to allow us to go further using the best gift Allah has given to humans, our reasoning, instead of considering that all the universe knowledge is written in the Qur'an. Never the less, it's still Allah's words.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
"...you both (CBD and EsYyCmdcer) seem to be arguing that it's your RIGHT as Muslims to respond in any way you want...
If that's not special treatment you're expecting, then I don't know what is...
So grow some thicker skin and join the rest of the civilized world instead of rattling your sabers and behaving like petulant children who don't get exactly what they want."
1.You don't know the meaning of "special treatment", and you need to be educated about it. (One example of a special treatment is when you accuse the countries of the world that they have caused damages to your race of people, and you force these countries to pay your people money/compensation, decade after decade)
2.No one here, EVER said that Muslims have the right to repond, in any way they see fit!
We are arguing that humans, irrelevant of their religion, have the right to respond in any way they see fit, if you insult their beliefs and holy figures.
Violent reactions to racist insults, will not lead to the extinction of humanity as you are claiming. They will lead to the extinction of those hateful racists who think that the freedom of speech give them the right to insult certain races of people.
3.You are proud to have a thick skin, you think that this makes you a 'civilized' person, and you are calling others to follow your example!!!
Having a 'think skin' makes you a lower man, with less dignity and cheaper values/morals.
If 'thick skin' is civilization, then decent men better stay 'babarians'!
4.You are not able of making a valid or logical argument, that is why you are resolving to insulting people by calling them 'petulant children', while it is clear that it is you who lack a lot of education about honor, dignity, and the facts of life.
Adey, if you shut up about insults against your beliefs/gods, then you will do nothing about your son turning gay, then you will shut up about your daughter living with a man without marriage and having children, then you will shut up if your sister decided to marry her girlfriend, then this makes it a western society, while mine is eastern....and we will NEVER meet!
RT..
All the marches in the muslim world went on as support to the prophet...
All the campaigns we have seen cross the muslim countries were titled something like support the prohpet and most of Ads showed Danish Flag with a boycott sign. therefore, it was not as a result of the hypocrisy you referred to.
This is regardless of the hypocrisy you referred to which is totally separate issue. Yes, muslims are divided on so many issues- you have the Sunni, Shi'at and many many other subgroups. However, all muslims agree on the prophet and believe in him.
The cartoons were nothing to do with religious hating - what they made light of is the hypocrisy. As you have one set of 'real' muslims saying all westerners are kufir etc and can be attacked to be rewarded with 40 virgins, and another set of 'real' muslims saying, suicide is against islam etc.
The cartoons come out, and people were more angry about the cartoons than the actual reason why the cartoons got published in the first place.
Have all muslims that complain about them actually seen them?
ONLY as long as you do not respond violently or with words that incite violence.
Just because someone comes along and insults something and offends you doesn't mean you have the right to respond in ANY way you see fit.
If the world followed that line of logic, then there would be a lot fewer of us around. I've had people insult me, my friends and family members, my schools, my country, my religion...and if I lashed out at everyone who ever said an unkind word to me the way that you guys are implying is your right when someone insults your prophet or Islam...well, it's just ridiculous.
Honestly. Are you even listening to yourselves?
You're right that just because I don't get offended if you insult something that matters to me, that doesn't mean that you have to NOT be offended when it happens to you. But this is where our points of view diverge -- because you both (CBD and EsYyCmdcer) seem to be arguing that it's your RIGHT as Muslims to respond in any way you want...
If that's not special treatment you're expecting, then I don't know what is...
So grow some thicker skin and join the rest of the civilized world instead of rattling your sabers and behaving like petulant children who don't get exactly what they want.
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
It is also our right to respond to sensetive issues the way we like..
We don't really ask for special treatment. We simply won't accept letting someone insult the prophet and kep quiet. It is our duty to defend him an defend our religion.
Is it really freedom to make jokes about anyone on this life? not just prophets? not at all.
We won't react based on how others react. If someone else accepts jokes about his religion, then it is his choice but we should not be condemned for making our choice.
The problem I see, is the pure misuse of freedom of expression and the wrong impression about what it is.
Adey,
Do you know how many Jews attended the holocaust conference sponsored by Iran? Do you know that there is a fundamental difference between Jews and Zionists?
Do you also know that Jews refused on fear basis to enter Jerusalem when Moses (PBUH) ordered them to and ask for thier support? they let him down saying go and fight your way with your god we are staying here! this is what they said.
So after all that, you still question whose land it is?
"WE? does your god have a split personality?"
so when a king/queen use the word "we", are they suffering from split personality.
Also, I don't need you to tell me how old the jews have been in Palestine. I already know that.
The question is: why are you involving the jews, when we are talking about the zionists who have migrated from around the world, in the past few decades?
God says in 1 of the verses of the Quran: "We have ordered this religion, an We are preserving it"
WE? does your god have a split personality?
Hmmmm It could be argued, though I am not, that the original habitants of the west bank were jews - who do you think built the temple a thousand years before Mohammad was born?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
"Islam can, and trust me, will be changed/altered at some point in time or it will die out."
This is the power, majesty and the miracle of Islam/The Quran! It has never, and will NEVER be changed/altered/modified.
God says in 1 of the verses of the Quran: "We have ordered this religion, an We are preserving it"
"So now you are calling for genocide?"
Yes! I am calling for the same "genocide" that the French committed against the Nazi, in France!
(What? Are you calling it resistance???)
???????
Does PopCornGirl know wht she is talking about or
Is it we who are out of Topic for a long long time...???
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
happened? I doubt it. This is why the west did not go. We cannot see a way, we cannot see a way forward. Whatever, we do or so is either hated as it is seen as interfering or something else. Quite simply we can't do right for doing wrong. If we had gone and said, I presume, what they really think, they would have been shed in far worse light than what they are. They keep away and they are vilified.
As i say the west cant do right for doing wrong.
Plus people can change their religion, it happens all the time - notice all the revert stories on here?, But you can't change your race.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
things update.. hardware n software...
If not the content... the Understanding evolves for sure...
The younger generation is smarter than the previous one..... They take it to the next level...
Pele is GOD in Football world.... Today Even Kids of local teams play as he played then..... but still he is God... no one was as fast and good as him... in his time....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Are muslims a race?
Are christanians a race?
Are mormans a race?
Are scientologists a race?
Islam can, and trust me, will be changed/altered at some point in time or it will die out. You and I will not live long enough to see it happen but it will.
So now you are calling for genocide?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
"religions are ideas not Races."
No they are not! They are divine orders of God! (or at least 3 of them)
"religions, like any ideas, can be changed"
No they can't! Religions are not ideas! At least 3of them are divine orders from God, and at least 1 of them(Islam) can not be changed!
"And it is not acceptable to call for the killing of whole groups of people because of ideas, as you just did."
It is! It's even encouraged! Specially when we are not dealing with "ideas" but criminal deeds which involved an invasion of a land, and the elimination of its original owners.
You may twist words, but facts are facts, and the truth can never be hidden.
I'll always be here to educate you ;-)
So I won't bother going any further.
Peace
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
"But insulting their beliefs, gods or religions, is called racism"
No it is not - religions are ideas not Races.
The reason racism is outlawed is because one cannot change one's race; religions, like any ideas, can be changed when they are found to be insufficient or wrong.
And it is not acceptable to call for the killing of whole groups of people because of ideas, as you just did.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
"I don't believe what you believe because I'm not a Muslim, and I never agreed to follow YOUR religious rules.
So if I want to submerge a crucifix in urine or draw cartoons about Mohammed or have a bobblehead Buddha on my dashboard, I will.
You live your life and I'll live mine."
You are free to live your life the way you want, to believe in, or disbelieve in the bliefs of others.
But insulting their beliefs, gods or religions, is called racism, and this is why presidents like Mr. Nejadi are needed to address such racism, in public.
Being a typical american, I'd expect you to say things like:"submerge a crucifix in urine or draw cartoons about Mohammed or have a bobblehead Buddha on my dashboard"...but only beause you are an american!
It is hatred & racism what happened in Denmark, and what you have said above. But it is acceptable freedom of speech to call for killing the zionists and throwing them in the sea, because zionism is neither a race, nor a religion!
Ummjake: Apologies accepted :)
CBD: I'm a westerner muslim, and even before converting i was already used to people joke about everything, instead of inciting to hate and to make people go to the streets to manifest, whenever i didn't enjoyed the joke, i would just ignore it and i'll keep doing it.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Ummjake....
No Actually.. to all others..
The thoughts arose by her are really Bold... as MD says not for all of us here.. but it is something we all ll have to sit and think about...
Tolerance is not the key... not getting affected at all is...
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
ummjake, you are addressing mature human beings with your post. I don't think you'll find a lot on QL.
them if it bothers you that much. Walk away. Turn the other cheek. If you're firm in your conviction that you're right and they're wrong, then why wouldn't you simply look at them, chuckle at their ignorance, and move on?
I am aware of Prophet Mohammed's impact on history and the world. And it's not like I actually have a burning desire to go around insulting people and things that others hold dear (though I must confess to truly enjoying a good heated debate!). But it really irritates me when Muslims expect that they and their religion, somehow, should be given some sort of special status and that nobody is allowed to make fun of them or draw cartoons.
As I have said before, I think that EVERYTHING is fair game. So go ahead and deny the Holocaust! Draw a picture of Mohammed as a terrorist! Tell as many blond, Polish, Jewish, or Catholic jokes as you want! March down the middle of the town and tell me how you think all blacks are lazy drug dealers who eat fried chicken, how all western women are sex-craved ho's...
What you say might be terribly distasteful, and I might get offended, and I might feel compelled to respond and try to show you how wrong I think you are. But I will vigorously defend your right to say it.
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
Your freedom ends where others' freedoms begin..
If you don't believe in Prophet Mohammad, then it is your right without a doubt..
Quran explicitly states that no compulsion in religion...
However, insulting the prophet is not a form of advanced civilization...but is a disrespect act and does not promote peace...
If people will moan about Nijad making speech about 21st century criminals...what are we suppose to do when some cartoonists and other hate makers insult our prophet? they have not known him I bet, or probably acting against thier will for whatever reason...i hope you read this to become aware of what famous history figures said about the prophet:
http://www.rasoulallah.net/fl_list_en.asp?lang=ar&folder_id=380&parent_id=380
previous post in my response to him (my bad that I didn't put quotes around the word "moron").
I certainly don't think you are a moron, and I've actually enjoyed hearing your views here on QL quite a lot. :-)
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
Its better...Good... flirt... sleep with n number of people..
marry inter-religion, inter-country..... at least the kid would not like both the countries or religion but ll never kill or get killed to save either...
We don need the religions when it cannot give us peace...
and happiness... the very sole purpose of religion..
And Somebody had mentioned in a blog I was going through once......
Fighting for Peace is like Screwing for Virginity....
IF we are able to break the shackles of Hypocrisy glued in our mind..... This place can be made a beautiful place to live as it deserves to be......
changing your self might not change the world... but tht is the only way to do it.. slowly n steadily
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
To this Extremism... irrespective of which religion..
Globalization n modernization seem to be a practical solution which even though is in budding stage shall grow up strong to fight against this evil..
The younger generation as do not follow any religion with affection or sincerely... and we say they are not religious... n society is falling down..
Yes it has problems...many social issues crop up..... but these guyz shall not kill each other to save there religion or whtevr the extremists do...
The immediate problem is getting a solution..
You want people to be religious. when in the name of religion we are jus taught to fight to save our identity n to be the sole religion ...
sorry...is no more a cool thing...
if m a jerk.. still happy to be so... better than the pseudo-religious people...
The problems which are coming up we ll see wht to do...
The bitches talking about Dieing for Religion - When they know nothing about death n nothing about religion (Inspiration - Troy movie)
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Ummjake: I'm a muslim and don't take as an insult that you don't belive in Mohammed (pbuh), i think that religion is something private.
Btw, i'm the "moron that said "Well, if he weren't a president he would be jailed". So, thanks for the ofense...:|
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
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"let's slip out of these wet clothes and into a dry martini" Mae West
at the conference (much as many folks would have liked to). What part of that are you having a hard time wrapping your brain around?
So what if some moron said "Well, if he weren't a president he would be jailed?". He can say whatever he wants, the same as Ahmadinejad.
Free speech for all!!
And Mohammed might be YOUR prophet, but he's not mine. And YOU might think it's blasphemous to insult him and Islam (but it's not racist, because Islam isn't a race). And if that's what you believe, then don't do that.
But guess what?
I don't believe what you believe because I'm not a Muslim, and I never agreed to follow YOUR religious rules.
So if I want to submerge a crucifix in urine or draw cartoons about Mohammed or have a bobblehead Buddha on my dashboard, I will.
You live your life and I'll live mine.
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
Good and evil are everywhere, Roadtester
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
The problem is that because you are not 'allowed' or too lazy to study other religons you would find that they pretty much all have extremists, the differences is the percentages.
There was a incident where an unmarried couple got beten up for hanging around together - now again you would be thinking it was in saudi or swat valley but actually it was 'straight edge' christians in America.
Gypsy..
If you know history well...you would not question anything Iran does against the west...nor will you question when a muslim country gets concerned about another muslim country...
US, Britain & France were instrumental in the existence of the so called Israel state...Based on pure guilt..to keep the country divided, to get rid of Jews who were not welcomed in Europe..and to get a reason to get involved in ME affairs...Israel could not have existed otherwise..
so US has the right to get involved and protect Israel even if it is illegal to exist! This sounds like once you commit a mistake..stick to it..If US stands for real justice..they would do something just...
For more articles written by Dr. Naif Al-Mutawa, please visit www.al-mutawa.com.
In today's world, anyone might...
by Naif Al-Mutawa
Kuwait City- It was the first time I realised that the very bright, young and privileged can also be very foolish. In the summer of 1989, a couple of my American friends, dressed in Arab garb borrowed from me and toting water rifles, "terrorised" the campus of Brown University.
A day after my friends staged their "attack", an Arab American student called a public meeting to protest the racism of the stunt. Why was he so upset?
I didn't get it then. Now I do.
During a recent lecture on the biological bases of behaviour, I passed out two articles to my medical students at Kuwait University, one from the New York Times and the other from New York Magazine. I had deleted all clues as to the identity of the subjects and the locations in the stories. I asked the students to read the articles and guess where the stories had taken place.
The first article concerned a group of clerics, known as the "Party of [God]", who advocated serious consequences for those caught romancing on Valentine's Day. They warned that St. Valentine was a Christian saint and that celebrating this day was therefore strictly against their religion. And they threatened to immediately marry off any couples caught flirting. Opponents described the clerics' behaviour as "Talibanisation."
My students imagined these hardliners harassing the poor romantics, and they were unanimous: this fiasco could only have taken place in Saudi Arabia.
But my students were wrong. In fact, the incident took place in India and the deity in question was a Hindu god. Allah caught a break on that one.
In the second article I gave the students, a woman complained that "stupid Talibans" had assailed her immediately after a gentleman stranger stopped her on the street to comment on how cute her baby was. When the man left, three minivans immediately surrounded the woman. Half a dozen bearded men jumped out and began interrogating her on the street: "Who was he? What did he want?"
This time, the students were deadlocked on the location - evenly split between Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. Fixed in their minds were images of stick-wielding morality police on the streets of Kabul or Riyadh.
It shattered the students' mental images to find out that this "Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice" was roaming the streets of New York, and that the religion in question was Judaism. Once again, Allah was not implicated.
It has been shown that chimpanzees will go to war to protect their territory. I argued to my students that aggression toward others who don't share one's beliefs is nothing more than war over intellectual territory; religious faith is an intellectual line in the air. I concluded by saying that the religious extremists must be right about Darwin: clearly, there are no signs of evolution here.
My intent was to advance the notion that extremism is nothing more than a bunch of neurotransmitters working overtime - or perhaps under time. It is not Islam or Judaism or Hinduism that creates extremism; rather, some people are predisposed to extremism and will pursue it in any faith.
Yet it was fascinating to see that my students in Kuwait, by opting for Saudi Arabia as a likely location of both stories, seemed to associate their own faith, Islam, with extremism.
The fact is that, in today's world, anyone would have reached a similar conclusion. In the age of the internet and satellite television, my students are not shielded from the misconceptions and misrepresentations of their faith any more than the Arab American student at Brown had been.
But if Muslims grow up to identify extremism with Islam, and to believe that to be an accurate reflection of their religion, then we will have a far bigger problem than we ever could have imagined. Passing off aberration as the norm is a danger to all of us. And constantly setting the record right on what is and isn't Islam is the duty of every able communicator in today's multimedia world.
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* Dr. Naif Al-Mutawa is the creator of THE 99, the internationally acclaimed group of superheroes based on Islamic archetypes.
This article first appeared in The Philadelphia Inquirer and was written for the Common Ground News Service (CGNews).
Genesis,
"we share the same biology, regardless of ideology"
you said:
"You said:
"For quite some years that all "Western" countries have a law that jails anyone who's caught making racist comments""
You are wrong. I didn't say that, so stop lying!
You also said:
"Newsflash: drawing cartoons about some guy that a bunch of people revere and think is a prophet is not considered racism.
It's called freedom of expression, so suck it up the way everyone else does. We ALL get offended over all sorts of things. Why do YOU guys (Muslims) think you should get special consideration for your beliefs/religion/prophet?"
Newsflash:
1.He is not some guy, nor does he claim to be a son of some god. He is THE Prophet
2.Making insults about the Prophet & Islam is called hatred & racism. You want to know what is freedom of speech? Freedom of speech is when you allow the people to do scientific researches and to go public to prove to the world that Hitler did not commit any holocaust, that the Zionists are racist criminals who have invaded a country that does not belong to them, and that they should be kicked out from there even if they managed to stay there for rhousands of years. That's the only freedom of speech I know, and it should be allowed in Denmark, as well as in the rest of the "civilized western" world!
As for your:
"Nobody stopped Ahmadinejad from speaking at the conference"
Tell that to the moron who said that he would be jailed if he was not a president, because "we in the west" have this law & that law...bla bla bla.
Gypsy..
If you know history well...you would not question anything Iran does against the west...nor will you question when a muslim country gets concerned about another muslim country...
US, Britain & France were instrumental in the existence of the so called Israel state...Based on pure guilt..to keep the country divided, to get rid of Jews who were not welcomed in Europe..and to get a reason to get involved in ME affairs...Israel could not have existed otherwise..
so US has the right to get involved and protect Israel even if it is not illegal!
I think the US's stake in the Israeli cause is much stronger then Iran's stake in Palestines. There are millions of Jews in America, and America with Britain helped to create the state of Israel and they are close allies....what's Irans stake in Palestine?
has his nukes, hes gonna use them, and then all of us can kiss goodbye to this part of the world ,and maybe all human life as we know it.
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
Gypsy..stick to track please..
Iran's condemning Israel and Western powers Versus the contrary..
Who is more justified to accuse the other??
If Iran has no stake on the Palestinian cause, which it does, what stake do US and the rest have in the Israeli cause?
This is unacceptable argument.
I was just pointing it out. And also Paletinians aren't Iranians, so Israel hasn't killed any Iranians...so what's Iran's beef?
Gypsy..you focus on arming Palestinians not mentioning how limited and difficult it is and forget arming Israel with mass destruction weapons??
As for Njahed killing Israelis...well the Palestinians do get their weapons from somewhere....
"so what is the point of having free speech then if we know it is going to be misused?"
How does one 'misuse' free speech exactly? It is what it is. There are certain limits (no inciting violence against another, etc.) but simply saying something that others find distasteful isn't misusing free speech.
"or, what is the point when western powers criticise Iran? and Ahmadinijad in particular?"
Well, I guess they criticise him because they don't care for what he has to say or for his country's behavior on various issues -- the same way that other world leaders and countries get criticised by those who don't agree with them.
"At least Nijad has not yet killed Israelis, while Israelis killed so many Palestinians kids, women, elderley and banned even medicine and normal supplies."
BTW, nice that you included the word "yet" in your post...real nice.
Israel has killed a lot of Palestinians, you're right. Personally, I don't believe it's their policy to intentionally target civilians (I know you will disagree with me on this point, because you think them murderous infidels), but as in any war, innocent civilians get killed.
I would offer that there are some Israelis who have been killed as well...far fewer, I'm sure, but they've endured casualties in this conflict as well.
Are you trying to turn this into a numbers game, who's killed more people?
Re: their banning certain materials...I can't really speak to what they're allowing across the borders into Gaza. I seriously doubt they've banned medical supplies. Other things, perhaps -- because I think the intent is to stop things that could be used to supply militants.
But back to the topic -- Western leaders walking out or choosing not to attend this conference in no way diminishes Iran's ability to have its say. You might disagree with their choice, but Ahmadinejad got to say his speech, so where is the problem?
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
Ahmenajhad does have the right to say what he wants, but he's also the President of a nation and, if he's truly sincere about the Palestinian cause and wants peace in the region, then he should know that the way he's going about it isn't helping them.
Yes, the man has some points, some good ones, but the way he expresses them are completely destroying them.
so what is the point of having free speech then if we know it is going to be misused?
or, what is the point when western powers criticise Iran? and Ahmadinijad in particular?
At least Nijad has not yet killed Israelis, while Israelis killed so many Palestinians kids, women, elderley and banned even medicine and normal supplies.
The point is that his speech doesn't help anything....And while that's a very interesting read I read it as the situation going from bad to worse....Because even with 2 million Jews leaving there will still be 9 million left in Israel and only about 4 million Palestinians... so unless they learn to accept each other and live peacefully that's going to remain a war torn region.
There are many benifits for that...it is a political game..
Nijad delivered this speech not just to cause hate...it is a strategy that he follows..West is trying to destroy Iran so Iran will have to defend itself...bring the world attention to genuine criminal (Israel, US, UK to name a few)..I am not saying Iran is a perfect state..but it will make its voice heard...
Additionally, the situation is not quite as you just described.
Read this:
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=88491§ionid=351020202
But whats the use of stating any of it CBD? Ahmenajhad wants Israel wiped off the map, he won't comprimise, the West won't let that happen. Discussion is over.
Gypsy,
in my opinion, boycotting countries should have attended and stated whatever they claim. They could have shed some light on Iran's nuclear program for example or any other racist case and we have plenty around the globe.
What do you expect Nijad to say, when Western powers in addition to Israel condemn the Iranian regime and its nuclear issues at every oppurtunity? given it signed some treaty while Israel has not?
I truely believe that Nijad's speech about Israel and the Western powers on this occassion has been carefully designed and is based on strategic forecasts. It is not something that results from a person when he gets angry or something out of control.
CBD the issue is not with criticism of Israel, LOTS of countries criticize Israel, the issue is WHAT he chooses to say, which is not simply criticism but hate speech that is designed to incite violence, not create a peaceful solution.
Well, your ideology seemed to resemble a previous QL villain.
FS..
I am out of words!
A friend in need is a friend indeed!
CBD never used any foul language to prove his points...he was just articulating his points with emphasize on his beliefs and culture...which is very logical..The other anti- western people who got banned upteen times never had a fair discussion..they were more interested in personal attacks..
I can confirm that CBD..is not an old user with a new name. Like many of you here..he also do not want to deviate from what he believe in.... He being a Qatari ....I really appreciate his English writing skills…
Google the word Satire.... its a type of humour that makes fun of institutions to make a point. Good example is Monty Python
the is a big difference between satire and inciting racial hatred.....
Well..
no muslim would dare put funny insulting cartoons on Jesus or Moses or any other prophet to begin with so muslims are not biased on this regard...
We love & believe in Jesus and believe he is blessed. So why don't insulting westerners turn the other cheek like we do to thier prophets?
the countries which boycott the conference did not attend because they knew Israel would be criticised, and some countires stated we will withdraw if Israel is criticised, and they have!
This is an attempt to silence expression of countries that claim to believe in free speech!
Ahmadinijad still got to speak because countries which boycott did not have the ability to silence him. They consumed every diplomatic effort to stop it and could not. You may not know that shortly after his speech was delivered, he attended scheduled meetings to do some commerce with some western business figures and other governments.
Well..
no muslim would dare put funny insulting cartoons on Jesus or Moses or any other prophet to begin with so muslims are not biased on this regard...
the countries which boycot the conference did not attend because they knew Israel would be criticised, and some countires stated we will withdraw if Israel is criticised, and they have!
This is an attempt to silence expression of countries that claim to believe in free speech!
Ahmadinijad still got to speak because countries which boycott did not have the ability to silence him. They consumed every diplomatic effort to stop it and could not. You may not know that shortly after his speech was delivered, he attended scheduled meetings to some commerce with some western business figures and other governments.
You said:
"For quite some years that all "Western" countries have a law that jails anyone who's caught making racist comments"
I know! These are very 'decent' countries with very 'decent' governments & citizens!
We all saw how all the Danes & Dutch who dared insult Islam & Prophet Moh'd (PBUH), were 'put in jail'
Newsflash: drawing cartoons about some guy that a bunch of people revere and think is a prophet is not considered racism. You might find it offensive -- the same way that many Christians were offended by Andres Serrano's photograph "Piss Christ" (basically a picture of a cricifix submerged in a box of the artist's urine).
It's called freedom of expression, so suck it up the way everyone else does. We ALL get offended over all sorts of things. Why do YOU guys (Muslims) think you should get special consideration for your beliefs/religion/prophet? Puleez...
Nobody stopped Ahmadinejad from speaking at the conference; several countries simply chose not to attend because they didn't want to listen to his diatribe against Israel. That's their choice. He still got to speak, but most folks didn't care to listen to what he had to say.
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
Well because in those days Jewish and Muslim settlers in Palestine had a common enemy, the British. However Jew's in Europe did nothing to bring on Germany's wrath, besides having money.
E5X8GH2SA/airsupply
You do know that the same numbers of christians were murdered by muslims in turkey as palestinians killed by isrealis - so please quit with the victim mentality. goggle 'armenian genocide'
Gypsy - isreali settlers did use terrorism on the british - though it is very under-reported.
The problem with adhimijad is you dont know how much is sabre rattling/bluster to get votes, and how much is real hate.
The sad thing is everyone knows what isreal will grossly retaliate if you keep firing unguided missles etc so why keep doing it!!! instead of trying to talk around a table.
Tallg..
it is fine when we disagree..this is normal..so I have nothing against people who disagree with me or even do not like me or my culture or whatever else..but it is better if things are presented objectively..otherwise they sound personal which is not good..
No worries, but just so we're clear - it doesn't mean I agree with or support your views. I just think you present them in a way that isn't like any of the previous, notoriously anti-western QLers.
Tallg...Thanks for the word mate! much appreciated.
Alexa, you were professional in your attack by referring to Gypsy and I think you did well..so this shows how bad that attack was which did hurt..i never thought something like this would happen...
I hope you learn from this. Anyway, as a courtesy to Tallg for his just support, in addition to your appology I will delete this act and forgive/forget that mistake.
Back to Durban-2,
I think we are not better than those we condemn, we all use strong language here and accuse without even basis sometime.
we can learn from each other and enjoy if we use better approaches instead of throwing words blindly which causes misunderstandings to escalate.
If someone has an opinion or topic to discuss, no matter what it is, i would welcome it. However, let us be professional and just write it objectively. If you wish to express your opinion, then by all mean do so, but please write it objectively as well.
let us not accuse each other of being this or that!
Peace to all.
airsupply: thks for correcting, it was a typo.
Well, i hate politics so i could agree regarding governments, about the people, can assure you that about 90% of the "westerners" care more about the needed ones that anyone else. We don't need to attend to some reunion to let the world know that we care, if it wasn't the help of our people and governments, i can't imagine what would have happened to other countries technologic and morally inferior.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
"2. Surely as it is illegal to incite racial hatred this motivated the boycott and walk out"
This shows that the Palestineans & other decent Arabs & Muslims, have more courage than those westerners who boycotted, because they are actually sacrifying their lives in fighting the source of hatred & racism (the zionist regime in occupied Palestine)
I salute them because they did not give up although 60 years have passed.
By God, they will continue to do so until the source of hatred/racism is burnt from the root, and the world will be a better place to live in.
of course they would FEAL so...if this is how you FEAL too.
"I'll gladly contribute with some more knowledge to someone as illeterate as you"
Yes, man! Pour your leteration on me...Bwaaaahahaha
(I do apologize for calling you "man")
"For quite some years that all "Western" countries have a law that jails anyone who's caught making racist comments"
I know! These are very 'decent' countries with very 'decent' governments & citizens!
We all saw how all the Danes & Dutch who dared insult Islam & Prophet Moh'd (PBUH), were 'put in jail'
Brit,
"Then why can't our politicians do the same in a bigger forum at the UN ??"
Because there are some morons who don't want this to happen. They play behind the scenes to prevent it. They remind me of QL mods ;-)
Thks ashwin
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
OK.. So, if we can shout, abuse, demean each other on this forum and still come back fo more.. Then why can't our politicians do the same in a bigger forum at the UN ??
If We take the your Signature as technically correct..
According to your post "You too are Donkey"
I feel you are superman...... Hence me too Superman....
yeh...
Na really I liked your Signature... Nice one....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Please, don't think too much about yourself, some donkey's may feal offended.
I'll gladly contribute with some more knowledge to someone as illeterate as you.
For quite some years that all "Western" countries have a law that jails anyone who's caught making racist comments, just a few days ago, Juventus was punish regarding racist comments from their supporters.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
1. yep Gypo not met many critical thinkers from this neck of the woods
2. Surely as it is illegal to incite racial hatred this motivated the boycott and walk out
3. I am glad people were honest and didn't waste good money to attend
4. I feel sorry for the Iranians.... it is debatable who has the bigger tosser in charge...Iran or Venezuela..
in case you have not noticed, I usually dont reply your post because I try not to go down to the level of mentalities such as yours.
Just for your info, you may find President Nejadi's words as racist, but that is only because you have a low level of mentality.
The fact/truth is that his words & stands are very fair, true and brave.
I adopt all his words, views and stands when it comes to the zionist regime.
And I repeat his words to most people I know. And I am not a president.
Do what you like to arrest me ;-)
(maybe they do such arrests only in countries that claim to have 'freedom' and 'human rights'???)
going now :/
Airsupply: By not attending to such and event who's purpose isn't that clear and the ones that left the room after Iran's president made racist comments, we, westerners have showed that we are superior to those that feal the need to leave all their hate to flow from their mouths, of course that if he wasn't the president of Iran he would have been arrested by such racist words.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Done responding to you Airsupply, not to responding to the non-psychotic people.
So far it's only been one day Brit. Ahmenajhad will take every opportunity he can to spout hatred against Israel and the Jews.
Persoanlly I'm glad my country didn't waste my taxes on sending an ambassador to something that would have had no good outcome.
Ahmennajhad was only one speaker. Surely it would have been better to let him have his 15 minutes of fame and then focus on the real issues. Our countries would have had the option of rebuttal or even highlighting possible racism issues in Iran ...
But that's the thing Brit, Ahmennajhad would never have let it talk about anything else. He did what he set out to do which is turn the conference into an incitement for violence and hatred against Israel.
I agree that what the Iranian president said was inflamatory. However, the open forum should allow that, especially within the UN.
It is quit common for "world leaders" to mouth off. look at Chavez in the last few years and even Paul Wolfowitz has made very derogitory comments about countries and leaders.
It seems that we are too concerned with the holocaust nad political correctness sometimes. I still believe that by taking this action, we have played into the hands of the anti semites and those who belive that we blindly support Israel.
In the overall scheme of things, there is racism all over the world and this forum would have been a good way of discussing the real issues, rather than focusing on Israel.
Airsupply: Didn't knew that the shadow of the rock under which you crawl was gone.
Now go away before i taunt you.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Not that I agree with what Israel is doing in Palestine, but it's a bit different than what Hitler did Ukeng. First of all the Jews didn't blow up gentiles using suicide bombers, or threaten to kill all the gentiles in Germany and annihilate the entire country.
Alexa your assumption that all Jewish refugees from well educated and successful people. Maybe true to an extent. However most of the jewish immigrant/refugee that Britain took in did start at the bottom like all the rest of the immigrants that come to a new country. History of Jewish immigration to Britain clearly showed that even though well educated and succesful as they might have been, they all started off at the bottom and worked themselves up and now are some of the most powerful people in the West. There is hardly a Big name Business in the West nowadays that does not have any Jewish interest in it.
History has clearly shown us that these people were treated badly due to their race and religion. However sad to say that they have not learnt from their History and have become the new Hilters of the world by doing exactly the same to other people what Hilter did to them.
Maybe they are the choosen ones, the best race on this Earth in accordance with their devine belief?
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Yes open discussion would be better. But as Ahmenajhad proved, this wasn't going to be a forum for open discussion, it was going to be a soap box for his hate speech.
I am with you mate...
Not only... Something is better than nothing...
People who jus think of all these are still better...
Even if they do not act.. at least they are not wasting there time in doin evil....
so talk talk n talk
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
I seem to be in a minority.. I still belive that open discussion is the way forward ... Perhaps next time :)
Well...at least some nations decided not to even bother wasting their time.
The first conference was a farce and this one is no better..Perhaps the UN should not waste money on the next one ..
The reality is that like the discussion here, battle lines and view points were decided prior to the conference..It seems that everyone just played the role expected of them :(
Did you see Adhimijads alternative xmas message that was broadcast in UK? It wasn't that bad.
He originally came in to power on a no corruption ticket, but seems he scrabbling around for ways to keep in power and saying crazy stuff about Isreal unfortunatly gets votes, and wins lots of support from other gulf countries.
I'm still not convinced since his posts seem quite reasoned and logical (regardless of whether I agree with them), but it's 2 against 1!
You know on the bright side, Airsupply has aptly demonstrated WHY these countries boycotted the conference. You just can't talk to someone who holds such extreme beliefs.
Thank you thank you :D
well guess am very addictive to QL
I bow to your superior knowledge Da - you are a better QL detective than me!
The problem is you have this diffuse, wooly kind of hatred, of the US which has been created with regards to US.
People seem to forget that Iran and Iraq were at war for years, so all this "everything was perfect before amerika come' is just fantasy.
But also succesive republican and liberal govs have approved the 9 billion dollars in military aid that isreal receives. Which bursts the whole ballon about it being 'all that Bush's' fault. So when some kid's legs been blown off by a bomb that says 'made in USA' kinda stokes emotion.
But, then just as bad you have Hamas using human shields, and continuing to fire missiles with no attempt at peace.
Yes it was the brits fault at the time for giving them the land, as was an even bitter pill as they repayed us with terrorism (which gets swept under the carpet).
i have the same feeling that he is since he joined and started posting on that movie topic which showed Qatar car number plate guess Taken.
I don't believe CBD is a previous QLer reincarnated.
I can't. Only the mods can close a forum.
ROFLing! Are we going to boycott the anti-Racism thread!
why get it closed
if you dont have anything to say then leave it you do have a choice. move on
Gpysy... Close this forum... can you????
This is getting real lengthy and we discussing everything but the topic.. Me too a big Culprit for this....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
i alone am enough to kick your stinky sh*ty ass out of here like i have got it done in past since the beginning and you started whining posting topics begging the admins :)
Oh plus dont forget the one you are calling dog you have Apologized to this Dog on this very forum too TWICE
you sorry a$$.
of the same old dogs!
...and the caravan proceeds!
You are back damn i missed you so much. cried bloody tears waiting for you all this time.
welcome back airsupply, just like the old days ;)
The Term Red Americans Must have popped up - As the Dudu Columbus discovered America while in search of India...
He had to give a target achieved Report to his King...
HE declared it India.. and as the People standing there to receive him in Red Hot sun must have blushed after seeing him... Looking red...
==> Red Indians....
Hence Proved....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
We are back to #1.
EXACTLY like I said:
"west is west,east is east. They will NEVER meet"
I hate it when I'm right ;-)
Specially when I hold the mirror at your face, Doha Girl!
Welcome back Airsupply.
hahahaha look who's talking!
Someone who once wanted to "blow arab men......up"
You're a disgusting excuse for a human being. I'm done with this thread.
not the main question: in whose vocabulary?
"as a quarter NATIVE AMERICAN myself I will be quite content to stay in Canada"
Then the 3 Red Indian fathers of you can stay, while your European mom can go back to where she came from. Or is it the other way around?
African Americans no. Black, isn't racist but it's not poltically correct. Native Americans are neither Red nor Indian so it's offensive. Speaking as a person who is part Native American I find the term offensive, does that answer your question?
"Red Indians is a very racist term"
Is "Balck or African Americans" also considered a racist term?
sounds 'racist', too?
By that logic then the Jews should be allowed to stay in Israel because that's where they are from.
Also for your information Red Indians is a very racist term, they're proper name is Native American or Aboriginal. And thank you, as a quarter NATIVE AMERICAN myself I will be quite content to stay in Canada.
That sounds to me like you are calling it that due to the number of african americans that live there.
You have just proved you are a racist twat !
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
is that governments of the world may have rasicm & human rights issues in their countries & with their own people, while the zionists have the same issues, in a much bigger scale, but not in their own country and neither with their own people.
StoneCold, if the situation is mad and the western countries are biased towards the hatefull & racist regimes (like israel) then the only wise stand available at this stage, is the decent stand of president Nejadi.
Gypsy: "They've been they're over 60 years now and they aren't going anywhere"
They will. Mark my words!
As long as there are still heroes & decent men in this world, who keep reminding the people of their stolen rights, and keep pointing a finger at the source of hate, then no rights will be lost.
The most important thing is to keep the faith and NEVER EVER resolve to peace with those who have stolen your homeland.
And speaking of "to where they came from", you as a Canadian, should be moved out to where you came from and leave North America to the original owners (Red Indians)
UK Eng, The West DID take A LOT of Jewish refugees after WWII, especially the US and Canada. However there were so many millions of refugees and they wanted their own land, so the Brits (in the not wisest decision ever made I will admit) moved them back to where they came from. They've been they're over 60 years now and they aren't going anywhere.
Hate speeches like the one Ahmenajhad gave yesterday does nothing to solve the problem. The two sides need to learn to talk and live in peace with each other, not continusly get bogged down in these "You're a racist! No You're a racist!" shouting matches which go nowhere.
Kudos to Ban Ki Moon for reprimanding Ahmenajhad.
This is typically what happens. We can only talk. Nothing will happens. Who is going to attend when you know that a mad man is going to talk rubbish. Waste of time.
PM -
No Ma'm.... I never said only Westerners are Racists...
I apologize if any of my statement was sounding so....
But the thing is West has been in news for racists issues...
There are issues in India of course... trust me.. you don't know the majority of them... but they cannot be termed as racists.. as the issues are generally within a Race itself...
Population and Illiteracy are problems but not the only ones... There are many....
A Indian would understand wht I am saying here...
Back to the Topic.... One question.. why is Racist issue discussed near n around Israel..... Doesn't the problem of ill treatment of African origin people in EU/US an issue for this forum ??
I mean this thing makes lot of news.. Movies...
Blood Diamond.... Remember the Titans .. etc etc
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
If we'll start talking about racism, i guess every country in the region must confess of racial profiling. Saudis for instance can be questioned about the genocide against the shia't in the eastern province that taken 1000s of lives in early 1900.At least in Israel, newspapers like Maariv and Haaretz have always criticized the Israeli government of racially profiling arab 48, the druze or the Bedouins.some issues are even taken to the Knesset. saying that, i believe that the recent Israeli government is a racist one.I predict if this government continue, clashes will sart from inside Israel.At least the previous governments somehow preserved non-jews Israelis rights
maybe you should have attended that confrence to mention the issue of the Arabs of Ahwaz.
At least you would have given a lesson to all the morons who boycotted and who left the the meeting when president Nejadi was giving his speech.
The Chinese say: "instead of condemning the darkness, light a candle"
There should be a clear definition for racism. Then. Let us see who is racist based on their doctrine and/or practices.
In this regard. I would like to receive honest answers about the whereabouts of the Arabs of Iran (Persia) and the living conditions of those who could not flee the country. Like the Arabs of Ahvaz
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lol...
Someone once said to people..be just even in discrimination!
i am advocate for that too!
"why they were sent to the ME...well, simple, that is where they actually came from"
Should all Americans be sent back to the countries they originally came from so that we can leave America to the original Red Indians?
Some people have weird "logic"
Speaking of " repetetive propaganda gets a bit boring", Alexa, here is an example:
"I came to the conclusion because you and those other characters sound so very much alike......
Now, if you are in no way connected to ,for example our new friend E5X etc, or babu something or our very own banned airsupply, I humbly retract my words and beg your forgiveness...."
You have "concluded" too many times here on QL, and you have apologized for your "conclusions" to too many people. It's becoming boring ;-)
Alexa i won't retract my words....you just assume and attack based on your assumption without even clarifying...This is too bad!
You could have asked before you do anything...
even when you ask for forgiveness, you ask conditionally!
and you still call yourself civilized!
Why did the West support sending most of the Jewish People back to the Middleast rather than accomodating them in their own countries instead of other migrants that they are taking in now. If Jewish People all stayed in Europe then they would be no requirement to let migrants from Asia and Africa? hmmm
Plus they would blend in much better than some of the people from other countries..
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HE WHO DARES WINS
E5X8GH3SA: airsupply, new nick?
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I couldn't have said it better:
"Zionism is based upon killing innocent people and occupying thier land"
But prejudiced people don't like to listen.
They already have their agendas and they prefer to withdraw, using excuses like: "repetetive propaganda gets a bit boring"
People who do not see that the Zionists have invented the thing called "holocaust" in order to murder a whole nation and take their country, then these people are hateful, racists and hypocrites. It's as simple as that.
Alexa...
i never used other names in QL..
I did not know you are that cheap to make lies about people...damn! This is something that I never envisioned!
Thanks for the "heads up" Alexa. I have mostly been reading QL since becoming a member a year ago, but I have not recognized CBD as being a previous name. He did get me going today for sure! : )
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
west is west and east is east. They will NEVER meet.
The west will continue cry "wolf" and try to convince the east that racism is bad, but when such confrences come, the west acts like a typical racist and boycotts such confrences.
We all agree that racism is bad, and we agree that it is important to fight terrorism.
The only problem is that the west is sitting in a high tower, looking down on east and thinking that we (easterners) are stupid to believe the western definitions of 'racism' & 'terrorism'. The west fails to see that we (easterners) are actually fighting racism & terrorism: israel.
The events of this confrence is a solid proof about the amount of hatred that the west has towards arabs/muslims, and how much biased it is towards the Zionist racism.
Of course racism will never be eliminated from the world, simply because racists (the west), can not fight racism.
If the agenda of this conference is being always directed against Israel/Zionist, it is simply because they are the most racist nation on earth.
Thank God that there are still decent men in this world, like Ahmedi Nejadi who can point a fingure at the real cause of the problem, unlike those cowards who prefer to hide their heads under the sand, like America and its bunch of followers.
This also proofs that no matter what color America has for a president, it will always have one color of foreign policy: black hatred.
So Obama has done nothing to improve the image of America, and I still see that the wisest reply to America's policy, is Bin Ladin's bravery.
MikaylasMom -
Hey it wasn't kind.. It was All truth... little Sugar Coated though...
Thank you for feeling good about it.....
See even if I meant to say what I wanted to using the words in right places makes the difference...
Job market isn't good anywhere except for Gulf I suppose..
Neither m I following Al-Jazeera, but internet helps.. true,,,,
Obama has enterd the office with Bang... he is Every where... And the guy is so humble.. he also comes on JAY LENOs show... Had seen the Episode on Youtube.....
I don know if tried Ophra's n American Idol Yet ??? :-)
He has inherited at very wrong time..nd there is lot of expectations from him....
We do not expect him to bring peace to the world.... if he can solve the issues back home first would be a good start...
World can Wait.....
And trust me it would be better if you understand the fact that the natives of the country are capable enough to solve there problem on there own.....
Foreign interventions and not welcomed always you know...
It must be difficult for you n your family to adjust to the Qatar way of living after the Live n Happening culture in America....
The very Definition of Social Life is diff in here.. :-)
By now you must have adopted well ...else Best Luck with tht.....
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Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Ashwindoke - thank you for the nice words. That made me feel better, it's just that this post had really gotten to me.
You made a good point - "THe point I would like to make is... Genrally when you are in your own country you do not come to know the actual Image of your nation in World... As we see the world as the native Media shows us..." that is so true, and in a way, I did not see it that way. I read a lot of news on the internet, CNN, Reuters, AP, but I have never watched Al Jazeera English. So I really don't know how the US is coming across over here. I do know that the US is not on top right now. Unemployment is at it's highest in 20 years. Millions of people have lost their jobs, cars and homes. It is not a good time back home right now. That is one reason we are staying here, my husband has job security here and if we went home right now that might not be the case.
As for "Dubbya" (GWB) I don't know how he got into office. I voted for Gore myself, but the way the system is set up in the US needs overhauling. Gore won the popular vote (in other words the he won the American citizens vote), but Bush won the Electoral college vote, which meant that he got in. I believe that the average citizen's vote does not count, it is the delegates from the different states that decides an election, and fortunately this time around, they got it right! I think Bush did a lot of damage, but as a nation we could do nothing but watch as he "invaded" Iraq. He sent hundreds of thousands of fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters and so on into a war which no one in the US wanted to engage in. I agree that some of his speeches were laughable, but thank God we have Obama in office now to right the wrongs done and make peace in the world again.
Anyway, Thank you for being so kind.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
MikaylasMom - Hey ... true.. I really appreciate the soft corner in your heart for those who are suffering here in Qatar... specially the contract labor class... the educated are enjoying the best of Amenities here.. thts not the point..
THe point I would like to make is... Genrally when you are in your own country you do not come to know the actual Image of your nation in World... As we see the world as the native Media shows us...
When you read the posts from others like CBD.. pls do not take it personally/on heart... take it like a jus another statement... and actually try to analyze what actually the Govt has done...
THe reasons could be anything...
And a strong stand against The US... if you think it is also because of the fact tht US is the richest and rt now most prosperous (materialistically) .. You are not wrong... because weather people accept openly or not.. everybody wants to be known by everyone as Top and would critize the one who is rt now.....
I think Election of your President is a world's concern... n specially it was OBAMA.. the first Black... the Whole world was watching it as if it was a Football World Cup final.... :-)
And this was a 1st step (bloody Giant One I mus say) America has taken to show to th world.. irrespective of the Color.. america now means Business...
Few F ups of Lehmen Bros n AIG n GM doesn mean the Americans gave up... they are fighting hard to get back to the normal times.. when it is not the Jobs layed off but the Sky roaring GDP makes news....
But Honestly PLs don't feel Offended wanted to know....
HOw on this earth could you people Choose a IDIOT like GW Bush to lead you??????????????
THt Guy has never spoken a word wisely... Blunders committed by him (his Speeches) won't be done by even a Donkey sitting on the Presidents Chair or the smallest country of this world.....?????
WHY?? and HOW??? Al Gore was a Intellectual as far as I know.... He had written books n Noble Prize Laurate...
And About Green America... It ll take time....
No matter wht happens... Gold, Coal, n Iol.. shall never loose there Shine.. till the Civilization survives....
Why you think all the Gulf Nations are focusing on Real Estate n all.. Dubai on Finance n Tourism... Doha aims to be World Center for Education.... Everybody thinks of long term....
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Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Sigh CBD. Talking to you is like talking to a really prejudiced brick wall.
Gypsy..I am happy with my current way of thinking..thanks for the advise anyway..
you miss the point completely, I did not condemn the American citizens..so what are you moaning about? I know they are good and so humans!
Guess what, We are good too and so humans! unless you take exceptions to that.
so what is the problem if the people are the people!
When Katrina hit the US, Qatar paid 100 million dollars at which time elected administration were strongly criticised for thier reponse..you may not remember that Chocolate state!
so you just assume other countries of becoming more evil than US govt had they been given the power and therefore it is peacful govt! i missed that!
Be it known, given the brutality of USSR, US did more. let us not dive into history now although you would lose.
Zionism is based upon killing innocent people and occupying thier land. Basically they are stronger and they took the land of other people without justification. Not only that, but they are killing the innocent people. If Zionists leave palestine alone and stop the unjust killing, we would stop fighting them too.
Given those thoughts of yours, i know how much credibility to devote when you blame my critical thinking.
mikaylas..
we agree to great extent...Saddam era however, is by far better than conditions nowadays.....yes there were injustices...but in no way it could be compared to the consistent crimes by US government..not mentioning other parts of the world....
yes we buy and deal with US and west at all...yes we are so behind in technologies and have many bad stuff...but this does not mean west is better than us in human rights..
you may compete in technology and other areas..but human rights..no way!!
there was no suicide bombing in Iraq as it is today..this is what I meant when you stated Iraqis kill themselves...
There are many Qataris who stopped buying Western products..and furthermore, buying an american product does not mean we love American politicians!
Whoo hoo Gypsy!
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
CBD, what can we say, you're very obviously over exposed and ingrained with propaganda. Which isn't surprsining since I meet very few people from this region capable of critical thinking.
Yes the US has done some bad things...or it should be said their government has done some bad things. However if you look at where the majority of the support for humanitarian efforts and relief for places like Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan are coming from you'll see that a hell of a lot of it is coming from the US. American citizens are probably the most vocal people in the world when it comes to giving aid, assistance and help to those in need.
In regards to the bad things, name a country that doesn't do bad things? Or if they were in the same position as the United States wouldn't act similarily? Anyone who says their country wouldn't is a lying hypocrit, look how much damage the former USSR caused this region? More then the US did in many ways.
As for your hatred of "Zionists" if you don't see the racism or the issue with calling for the expulsion or extinction of an entire nation...well...I'm sorry, but you are no one to be calling anyone a hypocrit.
It's this regions inability to seek a compromise or to discuss things rationally that is making these nations boycott this conference.
Dear all,
As i said earlier, we, people to people, have more in common than we do with our own governments.
I am not claiming we are perfect society. we do have our issues.
but we such countries as the US starts taking initiative for values they have never supported, not only that, but they accuse other nations of doing crimes..this just makes my blood boils.
unfortunately, some people get mislead by thier governments.
Many people did not like Saddam, and this is the argument US used. American people who relies on untrusted sources believed Bush all the way and now they found out when it is too late. Putting millions of Iraqis aside, how many US innocent soldiers fighting sincerley died?
aby gharib, Guantanamo, etc etc...west cannot accuse any other nation of human rights..not even vampires!
Gypsy...I recommedn you read his book. Perhaps we could closer thoughts.
I am sorry that I hijacked the thread. I just got worked up.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
Nope but I'll continue saying you think like Hitler.
CDB - Thank you for saying that you are fine with American People, you just hate their government. Welcome to the club!
As far as the Us starting with crime, the Indians, well that was over 200 years ago. I am part Indian myself, Choctaw and I do not have a resentment towards the founding fathers of the US for that. I am sure if I did some research I could find facts that support the same for the ME. So let's just drop that one.
I agree that the US should not be interfering in the problems with Iraq. So we agree there.
Was Saddam Hussein an Iraqi? Didn't he gas a lot of other Iraqis because they were not Sunni or Shiite? (Sorry can't remember which) Doesn't that count as killing off your own people regardless of which sect of Islam they follow? What about that. Sure I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that the American government probably did get some oil out of Iraq, I will not deny or defend it because I do not know the facts. I do know that the Vice Pres of the US at the time, Cheney, was involved with Haliburton somehow. Seeing as how the government was very deceitful I can see oil being taken.
I am just tired of all the comments about the west being the source of corruption here on QL. It is all entirely false. People here are going to western establishments and eating. People here are buying American clothes and cars. If the government of Qatar thought this was hurting it's people, then I am sure that they would prohibit anything American from being here.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
so after all this..you still consider your country advanced in terms of human rights and worlds' peace?
what a beautiful dream!
Mikayalasmon...leaving that garbage aside...
you said:
(Being from the west, I have never seen such rampant disregard for human rights as I have seen here.)
US started by crime, this is how it came into existence. Remember the red indians?? perfect start!
Iraq is considered my country whether you like it or not and regardless of this, it does not give the US the right to do what it does.
Well, Qatar is not your country either.
Oh my God, killing the people and blaming them for that! Iraqis did not kill each other before US invaded them.
US has commited the biggest robbery on human history by the Oil taken from Iraq!!
I am fine with American people. I hate thier government.
Ashwindoke - as for your comment if I don't like it here then leave. You know that is easier said than done. We are on a contract here and will have to live here for the next 2 to 3 years. So sure, when we are done, we will go home to our home country and live out our lives in peace.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
CDB Have you lived in the US at all? I don't think you know how it works there. 1st off, you can't blame me or any other American on here for invading Iraq, which isn't even your country to begin with. You know darn well that American soldiers are not walking around with their guns just blowing innocent women and children away, so give that up. It is the locals who are walking around as suicide bombers and using car bombs to kill of their own people. Read the news...it's all there and everyone knows it. And as for stealing their wealth, come on now, we buy large quantities of ME oil, so in fact we are supporting the economy here. If and when the US goes green, what are you going to do when the ME loses a large portion of it's wealth?
2nd off, You can't hold an entire country responsible for the actions of it's government. I was not a big GWB fan, I think he made many bad decisions (invading Iraq is one of them), but that is my opinion, and I am sure there is people who would disagree with me. The beautiful thing about that is I am from a land where people can express their opinions.
3rd, yes I think Qatar is trying to project an image of nobility, lavish luxury. Why else would they hire all these Expats to come here and build up their country. All the best for the Qatari and lets put all the people working to build all these big beautiful state of the art buildings in shacks on the outskirts of town and not pay them so they can never go home.
I am sorry for my outburst, I am just sick and tired of seeing all these people on QL who are judging me, an American, for the actions of my government. The west this, the west that. I don't think you can truly have an opinion until you have lived in the west for an extended period of time, like I am living here. I see what goes on here and if I were Qatari, I would be ashamed. But then that is my opinion too. I apologize now to the Qatari people here on QL who have proven themselves to be upstanding citizens. This was not at all directed towards them.
Ok, let the onslaught of crap begin...
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
And about the Human rts in Qatar...
Don like it... leave it... No ones compelling you to stay...
You should not be discriminated in your country.. where you belong.. is all this conference n thread about....
Migration..... Diff ball game.....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
MikaylasMom...
At least Qatar does not pretend to be noble when it is devil which is what the US is exactly doing..
we do not envade people's lands claiming to help the people when we are stealing thier wealth and killing them without distinction..children..women..elderley..you name it..US does it..
especially when it is based on lies!
and you still talk about humanity?!
Gypsy..
will you cut my salary if I admit I hate Jews?!
did not i tell you to stop thinking!
But only .01% of Jews don't support Israel...So why be silly and just admit you hate Jews.
WEST&EUROPEANS ALWAYS SUPPORT RACISM
Gypsy..
Zionism is the idea of establishing a national state for Jews.
Jews are believers in Judaism who claim to follow Moses. This group of people, are against the Zionists and believe it or not, they agree with Nijad on the statement he made- a statement which I believe was distorted. I believe, that in thier religion, they should wait for Jesus or Messiah to make a land for them- which is propably in Palestine.
Nijad, hosted a conference on holocaust which was condemned by particular western countries, which was also attended and embraced by many Jews. Don't you know? blame the propaganda and free media if not.
We have no problems with Jews and we coexisted across history.
I hope it is clear now.
there is difference between racism and human rights?..
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OMG what a thread! No one has mentioned if Qatar is going to be at the conference. I am curious about that. I guess maybe Qatar is not willing to give up racism/slavery just yet.
Being from the west, I have never seen such rampant disregard for human rights as I have seen here. Sure the west deals with racism, but this region of the world has the west beat hands down by far.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
After reading the above Thread. I nominate Gypsy and CBD to attend the Un Conference on Racism. On their return both shall update us on the lesson learnt..
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CBD,
True Humanity ll cont to suffer... we love to be so...
The reasons ll change in due course of time.. it wont be Racism... but something more innovative...
And I truly Agree when you say... UN is a Velvet Coated Stick US uses to get its Authoritative statements said in a very polite way which is willingly or unwillingly accepted....
And for God sake Leave Hitler Guyz..... Do not restrict him to Anti-Jewish Image... He had many plus in his personality but all are shadowed by his Ill-Human intentions n acts....
A good example of "Excess of anything is Bad.. even Nationalistic approach"
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Please explain the difference than?
Gypsy..
I don't want you to think anymore, stop thinking!
Jews & Zionists are not interchangable to me. They mean two different things.
had an affair with his own cousin?
and apparently got std from hookers.
no! She said GOD....It was GOD, coz our manager - he's local asked her to repeat what she said...and when she said GOD...we just got dismayed and sighed...we cudnt say anything more
You've proclaimed yourself to be anti-Zionist, what more do I need to think?
Gypsy..
You are putting words on my mouth!
You lack knowledge on my views on Israel, Jews and Zionism. Yet, you still accuse!
who is closer to Hitler now!
who is this libbynewhere???
did u just understand the topic and what uve posted??? Indians & Pinoys???
Coming from the WEST doenst mean youve got the perfect english????
Oh god i hate you!!!!
I remember once, a german lady, a colleague - she got stucked in the Qatar Airport immigration... no need to say more - her English is as bad as hell, and immigration officers are Arabic which doesnt speak well english, they cudnt understand each other...so in the end she said, in her exact words " DONT U SEE MY PASSPORT, ITS GERMAN! IT SAYS I AM GOD!!!" When i heard that, iwas so effin ready to smack her face so that she can see who's GOD! that b*itch
Don't share that at all. I meant you agree with the idea that all Jews should die.
Ashwin..
Humanity suffered, suffers and will continue to suffer from racism...conferences are a form of mechanism to get things done in so many fields...
regardless of its use...it has happened under the patronage of UN by which the whole world is wrapped!! should not that be respected by boycotting countries especially US which used the UN as a stick over the head of the entire humanity wherever it pleases??
Get real!
get it right first..
I meant...you share that concept with Hitler! so be disgusted by yours.
Over to you.
CBD,
With due respect to UN and the talks to or rather a attempt to fight against Racism is of any use??
I have never seen Talks solving any real life issue of this mammoth Size...
There are n number of examples of Politicians and leaders... with the razer sharp Linguistic skills say all the soothing words.. to massage the ego n fantasies of the listeners. and give them a pseudo-hope that the solution is very near and arriving,... but the wait never ends....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
I dont' share your choice. I'm disgusted by yours actually.
Hypocrisy by the West.. Beleive in free speach but are not able to discuss an issue that should be tackled face on not by running away from the issue. Will only give ammunition to both the Zionist and the anti Jewish lobby.
Alexa about democracy. Majority of British did not support the war on Iraq the Government still went ahead.
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Oh..so sweet of you...it won't be hard to get one..
Not surprised of the choice as you share the common concept of 'the stronger survives and the weak dies out'
Thanks for the thought!
Great. So where do you get your Happy Birthday Hitler banners around here?
Gypsy..
Have not thought of it, but sounds a good idea :)
So you throwing a party tonight then CBD?
This is some western countries boycot the conference..they don't like it when nations agree on something..they love to keep them divided
This is western countries boycot the conference..they don't like it when nations agree on something..they love to keep them divided
Libbynewer is the person who has Multiple Personality Disorder. She has been banned record times from QL. So, please just don't waste you time on her.
I think she should have a copy of her writeup so, it may save her a lot of pain of typing, as is it the same crap she posts everytime in every discussion.
Everything gonna be alright!!!
pls. pardon libbynewer...she's got a drinking problem, can't get over being a maid from his doctor and her boyfriend dumped her for a ph or was it an Indian lady.
I already know but i will discuss other issues though :)
Good for you. You and him can have a tea party and discuss how the Holocaust never happened.
he is not an idiot to me!
They aren't stopping anyone from saying anything, they just aren't attending it. Everything said at the conference will still end up in the papers. Ahmennajhad will look like an idiot in front of the whole world again. Par for the course.
well..you should not stop people from making thier case infront of the world..remember this is a UN sponsored thing for which the whole world is suppose to stand!
I believe anything can be said and justified against the recent GAZA crisis..why would condemning the zionists be considered racist claims given thier brutality against unarmed men, children and women!!
Because they aren't willing to sit and listen to a lot of racist comments and ignorance they're being hypocrits?
Personally I think the boycotting nations are the ones who are ACTUALLY Interested in combating racism and aren't willing to diminish the issue by attending such a farce.
it shows the hypocrisy of the boycotting countries...all of them
Lol!! I agree with you 100 %, Brit!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
? What does that have to do with this conference?
ok...it is not against free speech..you got me here..
it is wrong though for countries claiming to be the police of the universe..moaning about humans rights here and there...
Free speech means that you let people say what they want. The conference is still happening, Ahmenajhad and the Anti-Jew Crew will still get their say, all these countries are saying is that they aren't going to sit and listen to it, which they have every right to do.
Gypsy..regardless of our disagreement on Jews/Zionist...and whther Ahmadenijad stated wiping Israel off the map they way you recieved it...this boycot is against free speech and indeed is an infiltration by the boycotting countries..
you will not be able to silence people condemning you even if you were a prophet..how about the guilty ones??
if they are not afraid..be there and defend yourself!
Brite..I agree with you even you don't like Chavez and Nijad...
All nations should be able to put forward their views, but we all know what would have happened is the same thing that happened last time, the anti-Jewish tirade would have started and these boycotting nations wouldn't have been able to get two words in. Which is why this whole conference is a farce.
Still racism, especially since any Jewish person who doesn't agree completely that Israel should be wiped off the the map is a Zionist....which basically means every Jewish person.
You mean they aren't ? :)
I don't like the Iranian president, just as I dislike Chavez. they are both too vocal for their own good. However, my view is that by boycotting, you are firstly giving the anti Israeli lobby more ammunition and secondly, you are going against the whole concept of the UN.
All nations should be able to put forward their point of view within the UN. This way, the boycotting nations are basically showing two fingers to those who disagree with them.
Gypsy..you are wrong on this...replace Jews with Zionists please.
I think the issue with these nations is that, as pointed out, unlike many of the other nations, the ones boycotting do deal with internal racism issues on a daily basis and have been doing so for ages, I think that's why they see such conferences as a farce. What's the point to going to a conference about racism to sit and listen to someone spout off about how all Jews are evil?
Gypsy..Thanks for saving me the effort because I was going to post this..
I hope no one would deny the clear bias of those countries boycotting the event..
The west in general accuses Iran and other nations of making trouble and call them axis of evil..no one condemns that!
why are the west afraid of misusing the Durban if they believe in free speech..
and If Israel is not guilty why would it boycot!!
clearly the west (boycotting countries) try to silence people when they know they will disagree....
Stop talking about democracy and free speech all. It does not exist!
This is as true as it ever was!
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0419/p06s01-wogn.html
Dracula: Nice to see you back :)
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I swear to God man.. More I want to talk about the Conference.... More the discussion is Lead to other direction...
And being a talkative fellow.. n a passionate listener (dangerous combination I must say)....
Ohk Guyz.... Honestly... Is any such Step by UN goin to help ??
I do not see any help in Israel Palestine Issue.... Iran Iraq Issue... many such examples...
Is there any example where UN intervention had helped solve issues of this level...
Ofcourse they are doing a good job for Kids through UNESCO, UNICEF.... Barcelona wears there name on t-shirts for free... tht was best thing any football team had done under the banner of Social Cause.....
After Arsenal..... Barca are Fav cause of this.... and for Henry too :-)
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Hi Libbynewere -
People whose mother tongue is not English... are not very much interested to learn it with accent.. Not disrespecting English pls... My fav team in English.. ARSENAL..... WHEREVER.FOREVER.ARSENAL
Its jus tht it is enough to communicate... neither seen an Arabic peaking English in American/British Accent either...
But wont comment anything on Yugoslavia after seeing your profile where
REEDING is for READING
CUMONG is for Coming
JONE is for JUNE
CUKING is for COOKING n my favorite
DRINCING.?????.. sounds like cocktail of Drinking and Dancing ..Innovative.. good.. Shall use it to get a date next time...
Your wish its democracy..
You being a Nurse by profession talk on behalf of the degree holder breed from West.. I being A Engineer (Do not need to Verify the Degree, the Knowledge gives justice to the Decoration it carries) would like to take a stand for all the Migrants from all classes... from Contract worker to CEOs.. you ll come to know why.....
No Indian or Phillipino for tht matter wants to be in-charge trust me... if they think so ...they are fools...
any body who does ....is a fool.. We all are on VISAs....
And have a Sponsor...
Sponsorship is a new age slavery.. glorified version... weather you accept or not....
Its like a Air hostess doesn like to a called as a Maid...
And about the sending money home... pls forgive them,,,
You know.. they have family.... Parents.. who marry only once in there life...
Kids.. wife....
(If this is a grudge coz your boyfren doesn spend enough on you... Advice - Never go out with a In or Ph guy.. they want valve to the money....If you expect them to spend ...make sure he feels its worth)
I am fortunate to be single yet and Dad being a Retired Naval Officer gets good Pension... he could sponsor my stay at Qatar w/o my salary.... but not everyone is so fortunate....
we like westerners more than anybody here... At least I do.... Bcoz they are among the very few who would Answer - Beer when asked wht is your Fav Drink.....
Reply Highly Awaited....
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
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BriteExpat...
I agree with you... You need to attend to be heard....
And India... Honestly no Hope.... The Uneducated are exploited by politicians ... The educated exploit the System.... they are more dangerous...
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Alexa,
Ha ha ha ha ha... True very much possible....
Anything can be expected from these guyz.....
It would be termed " The Great War of Sand"
And the History would remember both of us for starting it...
It was intended to be a peace act.. but turned out to be on the contrary..... even the desert would kick us at the rite place for initiating this....
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Democracy does work. The problem with India and many other such nations is that the populace does not get the oportunity to really voice their opinions. This is due to poverty and lack of education.
In the overall scheme of things, India is still a yong nation. As the process matures and people become moe educated, there will be less exploitation by the politicians.
Now getting back to the topic :)
By boycotting the gathering, the countries are playing into the hands of the opposition. You ned to attend and make YOUR VIEW known.
Its John F Kennedy The Then US President... The Great man who said tht once
"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country"
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Alexa... True...
And problem is even if you come up with any solution.. it might affect a few...in a negative way....
Mahatma Gandhi says " Be the change you want to see in this world".... Means change yourself the world ll change...
Lets see... ll try tht too... If it doesn wrk out.. Shall question him there.. But goin to Heaven is Diff.. shall draft a mail :-) ...
You know what.. Do one thing.. Employee this guyz..
Make them professional sand Grain Counter.... Pls employee them...
At least this place (World) ll be a better place to live..... They ll be busy doing something useful... compared to wht they are up to rt now....
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Alexa,
If your statement was for why Agree with Winston Churchill (which makes more logic reason to raise your question)
The Points which you mentioned are the very reasons why Democracy is a form of government which is best right now...
Thank you for proving half the Statement correct..
Now why it is the worst... When it comes to Implement it..,..
Hitler ( not right man to follow) was not a fan Democracy because he says - the person who wins the election is a Person who has skill of collecting Votes... But the Skill to be a Good Administrator is a different Ball game.. Seldom it happens tht we find a man bestowed with both the Qualities.... Only a Good Administrator might not be able to gather good votes..but shall run the show Beautifully
I belong to Biggest Democracy of this world... INDIA...
we are Secular Nation... Every religion ever born on this planet exists in India... people have democratic powers hence.. for no reasons..there are communal Riots...
The people Fighting themselves don't know what they are doing and why... Someone triggers them and they are on roads to exhibit the democratic right they posses..
We have 18 Major Languages... 300 languages with Script and 800 in total (including all the Dialects)
Language is suppose to be a mode to convey your thought n opinion..... We fight for the very pride n future of it...
There are 28 states... Each Bigger than 10 times the Qatar... They fight for the water n Electricity n what not..... and few want to divide the state ...
We have Desert, we have forests, we have Snow, we have plains, Ocean, Mountains, You name the Geographic condition n we have it....
We have people who are white by complexion (North india)
Brown ( Central India), Dark (south India), Oriental (Chinese looks- In North East Parts)
Ofcourse it is a miracle how such a diverse nation is still one.... But everything comes at a cost....
The Bloody politicians use it to divide people for their political reasons... Imagine it is like a person has immense power and he is not capable to handle it or doesn no the importance ... Vote is powerful but seldom people know its importance...
Example - Land Cruiser in Hands of a person who doesn know to drive....
The politicians find it very easy to vow the Innocent Villagers than to target the Educated youth... Its all the same.... it is one vote...
Even the city crowd feels their vote would not change the world..... Imagine Telling a Tank ful of water how important it was to make the Ocean???
Votes...They can be bought... they can be manipulated....
The whole system becomes corrupt.. as technically everyone has power to change it but no can can do so individually n is not possible for him to collect others to do so...If he does.. his social commitments shall be left unanswered....
In Short (I know I am not aloud to use this word now ) Democracy - it looks beautiful theoretically but implementation is Next to impossible....
I do not see any Solution to it... Do you????
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Alexa,
Few????? You are questioning the very definition of "few" by calling tht number few...
Jokes apart...
dude (Your profile says you are a guy but the pic says the other way... no props... its democracy... I ll go with Dude)
The very Fact the Countries are Democratic should be the reason why there should not be Racism..
I am here considering the question/s why?? are for the Racism in countries boycotting ..
As your post is below the one saying tht
if it is something else and I am Dumb enough (very high chances) to interpret the other way.. do let me know....
Democracy does give you right to voice your opinion... It is wise to put your opinion forward for any issue in the system or something similar... But democracy doesn mean you criticize n humiliate someone who was born in different Climatic Condition n doesn look like you...
If the Voice is against the people coming from other countries n affecting the normal living of the local citizens... then criticizing the migration is acceptable but not criticizing the person for his race, color n economic status...
You must have definitely Seen "Spider Man".. Peter Parker aka Toby McQuire says.. I quote "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility" I unquote.
Democracy does give you right to Express your views... But it also Bestows upon you Duty/responsibility to use it wisely.....
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090419/ap_on_re_eu/un_un_racism_conference
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
Countries which Are boycotting are the places where Racism is a noticeable social Issue.....
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I personaly belive that the countries should have attended and made their views known if the conference degenerated into a farce as last time.
By boycotting the conference prior to its start, the West is playing into the hands of the non-aligned movement and those who accuse us of Pro Israeli bias.
You Write the West Boycott this Conference, That is not True, just a few Concervative Countries boycotting the Conference. The Majority of Europe is Attending as well as the Rest of the World is participating. Who wants to be in bed with the US, Israel or The Netherlands Any way ? and we all know that Canada and Australia are always following the US
The Above quote is of Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill.....
Apology for the error...
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
You research every topic you write on...
After reading your Survey on BARs in Doha.. thought you are a punk types...
But you seem to be too deep n philosophical n a concern world citizen types...
Nice to meet (be in touch..write to..whtever) a person like you....
About the Topic.. The guyz/countries are walking out of the conference saying it is been ill treated or misused by the President to abuse another country...
Good.. standing for your valves is good.. but equally important is solving the issue of Racism..
If you think.. this Effort of UN is Bogus n boycott it (if I can use this word) then come up with a better solution....
The Way is not important.. the destination or the Goal is.. If the present one is not good enough.. stop criticizing it and give a better one.. else.. follow it...
Very much like the definition of DEMOCRACY by WILLIAM CHURCHILL
" DEMOCRACY is worst form of Governance, But we have Nothing Better then it.
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Well they should be supporting the UN....at least send low level dignitaries or something.
Well is there really a point to go and listen to guys like Ahmenajhad spout off endless reams of hatred?