Young mother denies boys’ paternity claims
LONDON: The uproar over a schoolgirl who gave birth to a 13-year-old boy’s baby intensified yesterday when she was forced to deny claims she had slept with other teenagers.
Chantelle Steadman, 15, whose daughter Maisie is a week old, insisted that Alfie Patten is the child’s father.
A number of boys have claimed they too slept with Chantelle and might be the baby’s father.
Photographs and video clips of Alfie cradling Maisie caused a sensation - not least because he looks and sounds about eight.
Chantelle yesterday attempted to restore her reputation. “Other stupid boys are lying,” she told The Sun newspaper. “I love Alfie. I lost my virginity to him. There has been no one else.
“Cruel things have been said but I am just trying to look after my baby and ignore them.”
Richard Goodsell, 16, and Tyler Barker, 14, have claimed they slept with Chantelle on the council estate in Eastbourne where Maisie was conceived. It raises the likelihood of Alfie submitting to a DNA test.
Posing with Maisie in yesterday’s Sun, Chantelle declared her love for Alfie. “We share looking after Maisie and do everything together like husband and wife,” she said.
Alfie’s father, Dennis, 45, turned up at his son’s home yesterday wearing a devil mask and pointing to a sign reading “No comment. Call Max” in reference to the family’s publicist, Max Clifford.
In England, the legal age of consent for sexual intercourse is 16. The social services in Eastbourne, where the pair live, are monitoring the ...
Source : gulf-times.com
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Speed, I see nothing wrong or dirty about sex, and I think kids should be educated about it. They should be taught not to do anything they aren't comfortable with, but they should also be taught that experimentation and exploration is completely normal and healthy.
lol edifis, maybe ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Can she display all the stolen goods in a big gallery?
LOL
Speed: ahahahaahahahhaahah, yes, you are right, it was the girls fault, i heard she's collecting more ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Edifis: No, it ran away ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Platao, you lost what when you were 12? And did you find it afterwards?
if it's a girl? do you love to see your daughter loose her virginity at the age of 9 or 10?
I don't know what kind of parents are those who allow their kids to have sex (even using protection)
xxxx
Gypsy: you saying that Govt. should consider giving 'Condoms' and 'Pill' freely sp. in the schools ? It means you are supporting the idea of sex in children ?
Suppose your suggestion becomes reality and every kids has access to 'Condoms' (yeah their fav taste Strawberry and Orange) and 'Pill' freely... don't you think sex will become open.. open in sense that you will find them having sex in public parks, beaches even streets ;-)
People will throw condoms like spitting chewing on the street :-D
Basically Human will become Animals !!
Speed: Who's 9 or 10 and lost virginity? Mother or father?
Portugal is the second country in the European Union to have more teenagers mothers, still think that they should have sexual education and leurn to use condoms. A boy with less than 12 years will hardly be able to have sex, i lost mine when i was 12, so, i know what i'm talking about. :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
sigh, kids having a baby...the parents should be locked up not only because they were not able to guide these kids properly but most especially because they are pimping their kids to the media. talk about abuse... and where the hell is the social welfare, or whatever it is called, in the UK? shoudn't they protect these kids from the lime light? if you look at the picture of alfie, you will see innocense and vulnerability there.
lol, not that scary, kids just have to be carefull and take measures to prevent getting pregnant
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
its just so disturbing that such kids are having sex now..what's in store in this world for a couple more years?
they lack parental guidance...parents may be too busy to check on their kids. they may be watching some porno shows...and without guidance, they're doin it.
regardless if family is intact or not, a parent or any guardian is responsible for the upbringing of the kid with proper education as support.
I think I've discovered the secret of life - you just hang around until you get used to it. ~Charles Schulz
am getting really worried if such things are common now wud b the near future !!! future gen is a big ??? wherez the world heading too ???
I agree with gypsy, they should have used some protection to prevent pregnancy.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
There's nothing shameful or wrong about sex. So no, they shouldn't be doing that at all.
Huh? "I do think that children are better with a nuclear family then a dysfuntional one."
Sorry to say, I know a few dysfunctional nuclear families.
Christianity means believing in Christ so nothing at all to do with Budha or the Hindu faith.
As a Westerner, I think marriage is VERY important, I do think that children are better with a nuclear family then a dysfunctional one. Not saying that one parent family's are no good, but on the whole it has been proven that children do better with both parents.
I do agree with some of your thread however. I think sex education is wrong though in that now they promote, 'safe sex' and how to go for help if the kid/person has VD or if the girl is pregnant. They should be saying it is wrong at such a young age and shame should be attached to that. Children should not be having sex!
This kind of thing happens all over the world, the difference is in the East this 13 year old and 15 year old would be married...or the 9 year old girl would be married to her 55 year old husband. And NOT just in Islam, in some Christian communities, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.
In the West we simply don't hold marriage to be that important, or think of it as a way to make children having children any more acceptable.
If you look at these two, they came from families were the parents had them in their teens and have been sexually irresponsible. This is a result of lack of education and common sense, you see it ALL around the world.
Frankly there does need to be more emphasis on sex education and more involvement from parents in the West, however right now we are at a crossroads, the government still has to deal with a strong opposition from religious groups that don't want and won't allow proper sex education in public schools (where these kids go), who preach abstinence rather then prevention and who won't let things like condoms and the morning after pill, etc, to be freely distributed.
Again, they would rather stick their heads in the sand and preach Jesus to people who don't care.
"Frankly there does need to be more emphasis on sex education and more involvement from parents in the West, however right now we are at a crossroads, the government still has to deal with a strong opposition from religious groups that don't want and won't allow proper sex education in public schools (where these kids go), who preach abstinence rather then prevention and who won't all things like condoms and the morning after pill, etc, to be freely distributed.
Again, they would rather stick their heads in the sand and preach Jesus to people who don't care. "
gypsy: Couldn't agree more.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
no, these kids are 13 and 15 actually....don't bring any religion into it it! the fact is that these kids are feral scum that seethes and mutates in the UK....we're used to it, this behaviour doesn't suprise us! Yuck!
there is nothing to do with religion in dis case .pls don't drag religion in dis,coz these kids r just 12nd 14 so they can't take their own decision upon any religion.but this is truly a big mistake frm family nd the society too.
PM, And I was thinking about how many generations should one see to create a Guiness world record!
It seems you dont want a new World record.
Abu: sorry, no intention of creating conflict, just giving an example were i was present. In here, muslims hardly take religion as serious as if they were on an Islamic country.
I agree with PM, this has nothing to do with religion and we shouldn't turn every issue into a religious topic.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
And if the tradition continues he may become a Great Great Grandpa at 52.
And if this becomes a family tradition then he becomes a great Grandpa at 39!
There is a possibility that this boy will become a grandpa at 26 if his son/daughter can follow his example!
this is truly the example for that countries culture......society nd family should take the responsibility of this.its time to change!!!!!!!
You said...The hate here is you lot towards Islam. You can start a thread about fried chicken and some idiot (such as yourself) can find a way to make it into some anti Islam and Muslim cat fight like you just tried to do now.
I don't hate Islam/Muslims or any religion or culture.
If you had taken the trouble to read all of my threads you would have read my disgust at this situation, you would have read that I think morals had gone down the pan! You would have seen that I think this family are uneducated, dysfunctional money grabbing idiots!
What I am saying, that in SOME areas of the Islamic world and I suspect other religions, if they had been married it would have been acceptable.
To me this is still wrong. These are children and should have not been allowed to engage in sex at all. They are too young.
I have already said in previous threads that I think morally these children should never have got to a stage were it was acceptable by anybody, for them to have sex. It is wrong they are children and surprise, surprise most decent people think the same!
But lets look at the facts, if it were a 'Muslim' marriage in some far off village, that would be ok as they are married, regardless of the fact that most decent people think it terrible that any child from anywhere in the world, could get married at that age, then have sex and then have children.
Don't be so two faced that we as Westerners don't know what happens in your so called religious 'Muslim' countries, the world my friends is small. We know ALL about girls of 8 being married, so please no more bull shit when you talk about how bad we are in the West.
Most decent people admit this is wrong and sign of our declining society and we know so. You effing lot hate us, make sure we know it and then allow worse. So please do us a favour stop being two faced, in any country in any religion a 15 year old girl getting pregnant is not good. However, you ALLOW it under religion, we condone it! So who's the one without morals?
Stories like this will always be shocking.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
"You really can't set religion aside when you are discussing things with Muslims who feel our religion dictates their actions, can you?"
PM: Couldn't agree more, religion is something that is supposed to be beautiful but we shouldn't allow it to dictate every action we make.
Let me try to give you an example i have witnessed; Some years ago, i met 2 Imans from the former soviet republics, who were really understandfulls and made me see Islam in a new positive perspective, somedays later they came to Lisbon and we went to my brother-in-law's restaurant and they drank wine but didn't got drunk, one of them told the other it was ok just should prevent getting drunk, are they less pious for that or are just being humans as all of us?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Perrrrrrrrrzactly!
If Alfie turns out Not to be the father then they will have another BIG story to sell wont they.
The 'story' was sold to one if NOT the sleaziest paper in the UK by one of the parents to make money; probably they knew they could make money out of it when they allowed the pregnancy to go ahead. This is a very dysfunctional family with low morals.
It will be interesting to see, IF Alfie is not the father, do they then pay the money back or earn more money onhow he was duped into believing he was the father.
That's called choice and diversity. Even if it is broadcast here - no one forces you to watch it.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
but there are several channel which are open in the air... even here in Arab Countries ...
Yes I do cheers for Borg in Star Trek :-)
in mainstream media.
You seem to be under the impression that all bad stories be kept out of the media to save our sensiblities.
WE decide what we read. we don't like anyone deciding on our behalf what is good for us or not.
Speed, when you watch 'Star Trek' do you cheer for the Borg? :)
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
played any good role in this regards? infact pornography is allowed on media and they are to be blamed for promoting it beside the Govt.
This is one of the major issue which they have to address.
religious debate .. Quran is very clear about who should be stone to death :-)
Where has this world come to? What were the parents doing,is it not their responsibility to see whats going on with their children? ofcourse there might be many other influencial factors,anyhow all put together its totally mind boggling.
there is no way on this earth that the media is 'celebrating' or 'promoting' this event!!!!!!!!!
It is being reported as a shocking situation that is to be deplored.
You have read the Gulf times abridged version - maybe you should read the various original versions from the UK press.
Maybe you just don't understand how the Western media opperates - but that is not your fault from being in Qatar where their really isn't a 'Media' that I would recognise.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
PM: It's normal for a 15 yr old girl to have sex, but the extraordinaire is the baby's father age (12 years??), have seen it happening but normally the kids father is near 18, this is why it sounds fishy that she says that the 12 y boy is the father. I had sex for the 1st time when i was 12 but never got the girl pregnant, she was 14, at the time.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Morals are free, one does not need to be educated to have them. A lot of poor uneducated people have morals. Morals are learnt from good parenting and peers.
My issue was this is the problem, young people are lacking in morals. What happened is abhorent. It is under age sex which is illegal. They are both way too young to understand the consequences of being parents and yet somehow they got the message they were old enough to have sex. That is wrong!
we are talking on the basis of reality ... I do respect everyone here and in West and US but I don't support such media news trying to promote child sex....
Hope you understand my point now. If not then you can blame my poor English communication skills ;-)
take the example of this case ... how many boys came forward and claiming that the child belongs to them !
I know paper marriage is not compulsory even in Islam... but at least they should marry with ONE ;-)
losing one's virginity is not a terminal illness.
"Govt. should seek the votes from the parliament to consider children having sex at certain ages to be consider as 'Crime'"
That is what the 'Age of Consent' means
The problem is the policing, unless you put a policeman in every bedroom, alley way and behind the school bike sheds. :)
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
that mentioned in one of the survey... that only in USA 5 millions ( i will double check the number but it was in millions) young girls at the age between 9- 16 loose their virginity every year ? isn't that scary?
I think to control the 'Child Sex' ... Govt. should seek the votes from the parliament to consider children having sex at certain ages to be consider as 'Crime'....
about adults having same (out of wedlock) i don't wanted to comment ;-)
The institution of marriage is evolving, as it always has; Father's no longer insist on mothers not working etc
Out of wedlock means they don't have a piece of paper - most of these kids are born into households with parents living together as a family unit. Whether living together or not the vast, vast majority of kids know who their fathers are.
Wedlock does not prove male parentage , I read recently that 10% of kids in married households were not the child of the husband but had been cuckholded.
Anyway this story is very sad and they will have to live with the consequences. I wouldn't want to be them.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
The baby wont be anything more than a new toy for him..
he looks smaller than my 8 yr old son...geez this picture is intimidating me
If this was common Speed it wouldn't have made the papers, so no, it isn't becoming common. And I don't think that it's that anyone is "proud" of them, I think people are trying to make the best out of a bad situation.
my above post is not clear.
What I mean to say that if the same child couple would have married legally, all the human right and childcare/ child right protections group would have stood against their marriage incl. media. and general public...
But when these children at the age between 9 - 16 are having sex (which I think is become very common) no one care, no one shouts ? Parents feel proud of them and if the girl is still virgin at the age of 18 or above the society thinks that she has some problem?
What do you think the future of such societies and those generations who are growing out of wedlock not knowing who is their father?
PM/Adey: lol, that's only in Islamic republics, just come to Europe and see how many of them enjoy "female" company at dinner with breakfast included ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
one has to go via the scenic route.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
is uni-sex. but you're not gay if you're just practicing for your future wife! Go figure?!
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
ROFLing Adey.
Tis true though, teenage births are nothing new, just previously kids married off younger so it was deemed as ok. Doesn't take away from the fact that it continues the cycle of poverty and the resultant problems, but ooo a piece of papers been signed, so it makes it all ok.
that one should think the only alternatives should be celibacy or married sex.
There really is this religiously inspired fear of the vagina.
Christians exalt the virgin birth so much so that the vagina is seen as a one-way street! :D
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Morals are for the educated. These people aren't educated, they're dirt poor. They can't afford to learn morals.
Alfies older sister had a child at 13, so in my view there is NO parenting going on in this home.
I know I may sound old fashiond and I do not make apologies for this; but what on earth are kids having sex at that young age? It's almost like morals are going to hell in a handcart. At 13 he should be still playing out with his mates, climbing trees etc not having sex and she is only 15! Same goes for her. I am not so stupid to not understand that as teenagers hormones are at full flow but that has ALWAYS been the case and yet we managed to keep it under control and I think the simple reason being of the SHAME one wold have felt. The very thought of a girl having sex outseide marriage when I was young was frowned upon and the shame of having a child out of wedlock was awful.
I am not saying we should go back to the bad old days were young women were locked away and made to give their babies away. People all over the world have had sex when not married and there has always been kids born outside maariage but now it seems the NORM and nothing to be ashamed off.
It's all wrong and I think it is down to crap parenting and lack of discipline in schools and sex education is laughable.
I actually don't think that child is his, but that's another story!
this one fathered a child and the other one shot his parent! Crazy world, indeed!!!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
The main irresponsability i see here is having sex without taking any precautions.
Besides, it smells kinda fishy a 15 y old girl having sex with a 12 y old boy and got pregnant at the 1st time. Do hope that DNS tests clarify this matter.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Underage parents Chantelle Stedman and Alfie Patten and their week-old baby could face DNA tests to determine who the father really is, it has emerged.
Both Richard Goodsell, 16, and 14-year-old Tyler Barker who live close to the Stedmans in Eastbourne, East Sussex, have claimed paternity.
That's why I don't pay tax!
they both seem to be hot blooded ...hahahaha
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I really don't see how their being married could possibly make the situation any better.
Unfortunately they are just going to raise a child who will repeat the same cycle their in. Sad.
Lack of proper sex education... irresponsible family..otherwise they would have not allowed this to happen..
The child’s future is not at all safe in the hands of a 13 and 15 yr old!
They should first know how to take care of themselves then they can take care of he baby...otherwise the child end up doing the same as soon as she is physically able for that! Geez where is this world heading to??
DNA test is good..to clear the confusion..lol
i agree with mjamille... both the mother and father, regardless of how young they are have decided to raise the baby.
I mean, they could have aborted it (I'm not trying to start another debate about abortion), but they have decided to learn to become parent.
the parents should be there to give support to these kids, now is the time that they need them the most..
I find it hard to believe that these teens have the know how, patience, strength, let alone, the means of supporting and bringing up a child.
Either they are extremely naive or are after money and publicity ..
can do positive things about these problems???? Leadership by examples.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
i meant responsibility in a sense that they are taking care of the baby instead of just abandoning it.. i wasn't talking about them having sex out of wedlock, yes that is irresponsible. however, im not in the position to judge them on that, as i am but human and have committed mistakes of my own.
This story should be a wake up call for our society. Whilst the majority of the resposibility lies with the parents, we all must take some blame, if we find this type of thing acceptable.
The government needs to address the issues of dysfunctional families, broken homes, teen pregnancies etc.
dmigty... thats what i meant!! I wasn't meaning for children under 16 to be allowed to marry. They should be allowed to enjoy their childhoods :o)
Technically no, the legal age for sex is 16, but there is nothing to stop younger people doing it (Literally).
Things are different in the UK, you don't have to be married to have children, and the law recognises this.
It doesn't matter whether they are married or not, it doesn't make a difference. The fact is that they are so young, and they have thrown their lives away. I mean, how will they continue their education or go travelling etc.
Triplets at 18 and wants the father to keep claiming benefits so he can stay at home to help??? the doctors have advised her to terminate at least one of the fetuses due to the fact that it's a high risk pregnancy, but she is insisting on carrying all three.... maybe they should cut the benefits and see if her decision changes....
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2224410.ece
If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died....Chad Kroeger
it should be!!!!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
As Speed said, "where the hell the world is heading to????"
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
they can have babies out of wedlock !
Unfortunately children under 16 can't marry, and if they are between 16 and 18 they have to have their parents permission in writing.
So sad, children having children. They just don't know what they are missing out on.
Frog spawn ... lol
but seriously I was just thinking on the mentality of the people ... specially media !
If this couple would have married legally in the church or wherever (regardless their religion) the story would have taken a U turn !
Speed....you should try teaching in these schools where these frog spawn go to.... ufffffffff
ohhh I am having a 'I love Qatar' moment.... :)
Weired !!!
right said Speed, world is heading towards gutters...:(
"they showed responsibility at an early age" WHAT???
Quite the contrary, they showed quite a bit of IRRESPONSIBILTY at an early age!!!
If they had been responsible, they wouldn't be in this mess.
even she herself is 15 now...
By the way if child is officially and legally married people will be outraged ... but having sex out of wedlock is acceptable to the world !!
where the hell the world is heading to??
they showed responsibility at an early age..