Palin wins over Obama women
I find this very strange.. How can she "win over" voters, when both parties have divergent policies???
Jessica Goral had pretty much made up her mind two weeks ago: she was going to vote for Barack Obama. Then John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running-mate.
“She empowers a lot of women,” said Mrs Goral, a mother of two in Macomb County – a national bellwether in the battleground state of Michigan and an area rich in white, working-class swing voters who will play an important role in deciding the election in November.
“I like that she’s a brand new mother, and that she has the courage to stand behind her pregnant daughter. She relates to working women. For all of us who have children at home but have to go to work every day – she has given us a sense that we can still do it and can be an excellent mum,” she said. “Sarah Palin is a role model. She’s made me more likely to vote Republican.”
If Mr Obama should be in any doubt how gravely the vice-presidential nomination of the Governor of Alaska has imperilled his White House ambitions, then a day spent in Macomb County will make this clear: white women who voted for John Kerry in 2004 are suddenly deserting the Democratic Party.
This is Mount Clemens, in the heart of Macomb County, where the pollster Stan Greenberg first identified the phenomenon of the Reagan Democrats – the working-class, socially conservative, traditionally Democratic whites who deserted the party for Ronald Reagan in 1980. It is fair to say that this critical swing group now has a new name: Palin Democrats.
The Times spoke to dozens of women here – perhaps the key demographic in this election – in an area that is 88 per cent white, has one of the highest unemployment and home repossession rates in the country, and will play a big role in determining who wins Michigan in November. It is a crucial swing state that no Republican has won since 1988 but where Mr Obama is particularly vulnerable. Nearly all said that they were still undecided. Yet the disturbing fact for Mr Obama was how many said that they had been leaning towards him – until Mrs Palin entered the race. It lends new credence to a poll last week that showed white women fleeing from Mr Obama to Mr McCain.
Katherine Herman, 45, is a lifelong Democrat who has never voted for a Republican. Until now. “I have a friend who’s a Democrat, and like me, it’s Sarah Palin that’s caused her to lean in favour of McCain. Palin is tenacious. She’s sure of herself and would make good decisions for all Americans,” she said.
...so I have to concentrate!
We'll chat tomorrow!
:)
But QT that is exactly what we have today in our modern day 'democracys'...
Because of idiots voting and putting the likes of Ronald Reagan and the Bush family into office... We have a situation where people are in positions that they can do what they want as long as they have the money or power to pay a good lawyer or grease the wheels of justice and government to receive a pardon.
Voting is not a right... it should be a privilage of the people who truly understand the candidates and issues...
As for educating the morons... Can you really teach a person to understand the consequences of his idiocy? Especially is a 'me' society like we have in the west today?
I don't think so...
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
Although sometimes I think I'd like to see it happen, I genuinely don't think a small group of people should have more rights than others just because they are more intelligent!
These people should try to lead and educate the rest, not control!
IMHO
But I know people younger than 18 who are more informed about candidates and issues than 90% of adults!!
If you are found guilty of a felony in USA you cannot vote in federal elections. If you are found guilty of a misdemeanor then you can still vote.
Puerto Ricans can vote but it doesn't count towards a finally tally... Same with residents of Washington DC...
I was 17 years old serving in the American military but I could not drink nor vote.... Preventing morons from voting can be done quite easily...
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
...yet serve in the US military!
Am I right?
...as for fellons, I'm not sure about that grey area!
Is it all fellons? for any crime?
...and I was joking about the sterilisations!
I don't think so... It would be no more difficult than preventing the other 3 groups from voting...
I totally disagree with the steralization thing....
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
:P
...it would be completely unworkable and result in elitist groups that clearly look down on other sectors of society.
Many of our greatest thinkers can from below average parents!
QT, you changed your post you joker!!!!
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
QT, what is so sad about not letting morons who are so unaware of the world around them from proving that they are not dumber than a bag of bricks??!!
Is it sad that felons cannot vote in USA?
Is it sad that people under 18 cannot vote in USA?
Is it sad that non citizens cannot vote in USA?
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
That why we'd never have this problem again!
:)
...actually, I don't think my mother would have passed, hence I may not have existed!
Yikes!
:(
my mum has friends from all ages races and religions....
Very easily Brit....
Being eligible to vote is already limited in many circumstances as it stands now, right?
I believe it is imperative for these 'democracies' to survive to limit who can vote. When you have morons voting for people who have thrown the constitution and bill or rights behind there back it tells me the system is broken.
It would be quite easy to do in reality Brit...
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
MagicDragon... IQ test for everybody would be costly
But IQ test for a few Candidates would not be such a logistics problem.
At least the rotten eggs would be weeded out.
Democracy is designed by default to elect the moron of the two. As Intelligent people are few and less intelligent are more ....so as in a democracy the majority wins...the majority is the less intelligent people.
So the majority would like to have a person in office who resembles them....lol
The problem with your theory is that "who decides" or sets the parameters for voter eligibility..
Shades of the "arian race" to me..
They may be "socialy conservative", but they must realise that the Republicans favour the rich and are usually anti welfare etc, whereas the Democrats would be beneficial for them... Whatever, the foreign policy may be..
jack, I think voters should pass an IQ test before they are allowed to go to an election! (I think such a thing used to exist in the US for Black People). It's a shame that they have abandoned it.
Well Jack, I am not speaking about the candidates... I am not mad at GWB for running for office.
But I am incensed that Americans voted for him 2x... That tells me the average American should not be able to vote....
Now one can make an argument for stolen elections and perhaps they bare merit. But an election can only be stolen by tipping. It is too difficult and dangerous to rig an election that is a landslide...
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
a merry can muslim...That is exactly what I would like to have.
The candidates should prove their ability by atleast passing an IQ test or some sort of test.....lest we have somebody like Bush....lol
gypsy, never give up!
brit, dracula is not from the "West". How do you explain his (night) activity?
My grandfather turned 91 yesterday and still mows the lawn. He's got loads of energy and a sharper mind then I could ever hope for.
Brit it goes right back to what I said last night...
Everyone should not have the right to vote... You should have to pass an IQ test or some sort of test proving it is abundantly clear you have a grasp of the candidate and where they stand in regards to everyday issues....
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
Hell....I cant wait to grow old...lol
PM....Oryx....are your parents friends (who are in the same age group) also as active as your parents?
Oryx this question is for you also?
The best example is India's President Prathiba Devisingh Patil.
http://presidentofindia.nic.in/
I am aware Mother Theresa was much more active in comparison.
Brit, MD, PM& Oryx...I myself know a few active old people.
There was one guy age 74 who used to travel daily for work in Mumbai(India) Local Train (Dhaisar to Churchgate) at peak hours. It was an effort for me to get into the Train and hold myself steady.....Ok people used to try to give him space and even let him have a seat.
I asked him why he went through hell every day when he could sit at home and watch TV (He was well off). He replied "what to do sitting at home, and get bored?"
These are very, very rare breed.
Also I think in some countries there isn't such a sporty/healthy eating culture so people do age quicker...
500 years old and I am still active...
Perhaps you are misled by the cultural issues.. In India, Pakistan etc, it is common for parents to be "put out to grass" once children are of an age to earn money and look after the household..
This is not the case in the West.
I am also very old. My wife is 18 years younger than me, my son is 46 years younger than me, my daughter 48 years younger than me, my grandson is 51 years younger than me, my granddaughter is 62 years younger than me, and my dog is 54 years younger than me. My other daughter is half as old as I am, and I plan to have another Baby when I'm 93. I am like Picasso.
Well Magic my Dad is 87 and still more than active
and Mumsie is 70 soon and she did a round the world trip last year....
and she works 4 days a week...
So Jack... 50 is not old at all in anyway..
seems like a conflict of generations. Well. Mick Jagger is 65 and still performing live. I'll bet he'll rock you in the ground, jack.
I am around the ages you are talking about and believe me, I am very active..
marhabtain....how many of your age group is active like you ?
I spoke about general public. Active at 59 ...you are a rare case.
I agree with you on most of the aspects. However, nearly all the meadia, bot right and left are talking about the Palin "bounce"..
What I find strange is that the women intervied were all from working class "democrat" homeland, yet they are so easily swayed by the media..
How dare you - moron! I am 59, have a fulltime job and i am so creative i run my own art business in Qatar. Morons like you should be shot! Bring back hanging for Morons I say! I still have lead in my pencil - what about u dickhead! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Venezuela sucks!
At 50 and over, most politicians are beginning to fulfil their potential..
Personally I feel people beyond Age 50 should not be elligible to run for Office or for any post for Public Service.
At age 50 there is hardly any energy left in them to do any fruitful work.
At 50 life is downhill for them what do we expect them to give us when they have no ambition, no creative intrest, no health, even their brains are growing weak!
At Ag 60 when he is not fit to work in any government office in the world he becomes fit to become head of the Country...I dont understand this logic!!!!
Dont believe everything the media tells you..
The media was saying Hillary had the upper hand.....till the very end.
Now they are telling that McCain has the upper hand because of Palin.
Right through the campaign Obama has come out as a person with Character & Integrity and these are the qualities everybody would like to have in their leaders.
Women are more attracted to people with Character & Integrity especially during electing someone to office.
but time will tell if you are right or wrong.
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about
is it too late to change my answer?
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QT - I am thinking of an Escapade to Dubai during that time :)
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
See Withnail! That's why I said I wouldn't generalize by nationality. ALL women are stupid. :P
than other women or that only American women are stupid? On what grounds? On the grounds of an election that hasn't yet been held?
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about
It's just they don't have the intelligence and reasoning to understand why they are getting emotional about it!
Unfortunately, there are still huge number of them :( even in a country like US.
Why? what are you planning?
QT - will you be in Dubai during EID holidays?
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
lol
I love Sarah Palin but I can not vote for her :((((((
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
Yes, ok Anti-choice, anti-homosexuality, what have you. I just love that they say "Oh she's a working woman just like us" NO she isn't, she's a mother who's abandoning her young downs syndrome child to go on the campaign trail and possibly to Washington.
It's better if we describe her as "Anti-Choice"!
Afetr being caught out lying so many times, why do people not sit up and take note?
the ones you meet outside are the minority.
and to be fair many americans inside are switched on too.
but they only need 50.1% to buy into FOX et al, and recent polls would suggest that almost 50.1% of americans are stupid enough to be won over by someone like Palin.
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i know that many are switching because she is a woman, but given that she has already been caught in a few lies and the severity of her policies/views, i find that quite ridiculous.
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I know many Americans that do not believe all the crap!
I did meet them all outside the US though, I guess you're on about the ones that never leave their country.
...and Gypsy, they must breed women differently in Canada! lol
Which is exactly why women are stupid Britexpat. I keep hearing how Palin is a feminist blah blah blah, where was all this stuff when Hilary was running?? Palin is the anti-feminist! She's pro-life and a horrible example of a mother.
The point is that the women who are "switching" to palin have no idea about the Republican policies or how they would be affected. They are only doing do, because "she's a woman"..
that's the kind of logic that you just can't argue with.
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Do these people ever read the news? No, they don't. But they do read the "news" - FOX, and that's it.
FOX puts their spin on it, and propagates the lies, and because so many people on the right think that anyone who reports anything different to FOX is part of the liberal media conspiracy, they don't pay it any attention. That's why so many years later, many Americans still believe Saddam had links with Al Qaeda, or Saddam had WMD, or Obama is a muslim, or whatever.
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No, if I finally give up and make that claim that it can't be generalized to one nation, that's not fair. All women are stupid.
...but you could get away with saying that, I don't think I'd be let off so lightly! lol
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surely you mean american women are stupid?
if that's what you mean, then all the evidence would suggest you are correct.
they are still going on about how she killed that bridge to nowhere. it's been shown to be BS and they are still selling it. hard to believe that people are still buying.
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That's it. I give up. Women are stupid.
Do they actually look at what their candidates have said and done in the past? Do they not see the blatent lies?