U don't know Greeker - he has strong opinions and an erudite gentleman but he gets his point across in a gentlemanly fashion.
If you feel it is perfectly OK to use sexually abusive violent language then you bring shame on yourself not me. You also bring shame on your family because one wonders what sort of environment you were brought up in to make you think that is acceptable behaviour.
I really pity you for your lack of kindness and social skills.
My ignorance can be quickly remedied with a little reading but your social skills...........
swissgirl39, your definition of ‘’Macedonia’’ is partly true. I’m sorry if my text is long, but believe me, what I’ll write below is just a summary:
Macedonia is a historically defined region. Nowadays it covers parts of Greece, Bulgaria very small parts of Albania and Serbia and the whole of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, a.k.a. F.Y.R.O.M. (it was admitted in the UN with the above provisional name. Its CONSTITUTIONAL name is Republic of Macedonia). However, many countries have recognised it with its constitutional name.
The Greek part covers most of the region of ancient Macedonia, including the birthplace of Alexander the Great.
According to Herodotus, the name comes from the ancient Greek (Dorian) tribe of Makednoi. The name presumably comes from the ancient Doric noun makos (makros in ancient Attic dialect and modern Greek language), meaning "length" and the Doric adjective makednos, meaning "tall", because the ancient Macedonians and their Makednoi ancestors were considered tall people.
Slavic tribes settled in the grounds of present day FYROM in the 6th century (in the Byzantine era). These Slavs were assimilated by Bulgarian invaders about a century later.
In the ottoman empire Macedonia was multicultural, inhibited by Greeks, Turks Jews, Bulgarians, Albanians, Gypsies and Vlachs. In the 20th century, '’Bulgarians'’ had become synonymous with '’Macedonian Slavs'’ and, in the last 50 years they identify themselves as ‘’Macedonians'’.
In modern Greece there is a community of around 40,000 Slavic speakers who identify themselves as Greeks and most of them are bilingual.
FYROM was a province of the Kingdom of Serbia called Vardar Banovina. It was only after WW2 that its name was changed to People's Republic of Macedonia and it became part of Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. At that time Greece had immediately reacted to that name, because there were concerns of Yugoslavia would claiming Greek land. It was later renamed the Socialist Republic of Macedonia. In 1991, when declared intependence from Yugoslavia, it became ‘’Republic of Macedonia’’.
The official language of FYROM (named ‘’Macedonian’’ in former Socialist Yugoslavia after WW2, i.e. recently) is closely related to Bulgarian. It used to be called Slavic or Bulgarian before in the whole region, it’s still called Slavic in Greece. The language name dispute with Greece lies in that the ancient Makedonian was an ancient Greek dialect and cannot be related to a language that was previously called ‘’Bulgarian’’.
The reason for re-naming the language after WW2 was because Bulgaria was with the Axis while most of Yugoslavia was with the Allies. A new name had to be created to avoid indication of Bulgarian speakers in Yugoslavia.
The reasons for FYROM’s name dispute with Greece on the use of the name ‘’Macedonia’’ are:
(1) The name can be the basis of future land claims
(2) Concerns for arrogation of ancient Makedonia’s cultural heritage
(3) Possibility of future claims for exclusive rights to use the name and subsequently impeding the right of Greeks from Makedonia to identify themselves as Macedonians
(4) Creating confusion in the trade business
Personally I’m totally against the use of the word Macedonia or Macedonian by FYROM, because I find it historically inaccurate, it has latent territorial claims and is built on fake identity and heritage theories (there are many examples that prove the above point. The most recent one is the decision that their largest airport will be renamed ‘’Alexander the Great’’).
One could just argue that it should only be considered slightly irritating and not utterly disturbing, in a degree similar to let’s say the irritation of a Brit when an American uses the word ‘’football’’ for a different, subsequent sport where the ball is predominantly played with the hands! However, there are more serious issues than just an arrogation of a name.’’
Koufalia, I do get upset with the Macedonia naming issue (because there is lack of information about it that eventually leads to misinformation), but using such words as yours is absolutely not on and I’m ashamed of that. And Oryx said sorry for being ignorant about Macedonia...
And believe me, you don’t know Greeker. Surely he's not a ''yes sir’’ type of person and he can defend himself or his country. However, if you read his post you';; see how rational and civilized he is in his arguments.
Oryx, not all the people are the same. Different people react in different ways. As I said I went overboard with my language. I chose to stoop to low levels, because I got really offended by your remarks.
No need to repeat ourselves here.
If you write "Greeker you Paki" of course he would not reply, but try saying that to an Indian in the UK. I am sure you know how he will reply. I am still not convinced where I am trying to get with this.
Guys, Balkans is a special territory. We had Balkan wars etc etc.
Talking about this sometimes is like walking on thin ice.
Macedionia is a small and poor Country.But a verry beautyful Village is there.Ohrid.I was there for a visit with a friend.It is really a verry beautyful place to be.
And Salax - I have never advocated violence but you have to keep a woman in line..but that is history.
However if someone uses violent sexually explicit language about members of my family I get upset. Maybe it is ok if people say that about your mother...but not about my mother.
If you read my posts you see i do give out a lot of info...and I have a lovely QL sucess story that I keep meaning to post.
I took a lovely walk to day and the weather is fine.
If people from Greece dont like Bulgarians then why do many greek men marry Bulgarians. I know lot of old Greek Men who have young Bulgarian Wives? or Are they Bulgarian women gold diggers? I eveb know many greeks who go to Bulgatia for shopping
Oryx, Paki is a fine word to me too, but if I say it to an Indian is not going to be fine anymore is it? Do you understand where I am trying to get? I preferred to offend you by using that kind of language (which I admit I did go a little overboard with this) instead of start talking about your nation. I am sure some people in the UK will appreciate that.
As far as Macedonia is concerned, please Oryx, go and read some history and check the world news every now and then. As I said before, talking about religion and national issues in a forum like this one, could be dangerous, especially when people have no clue what is going on in this planet.
I used the word 'Bulgarian' not a diminutive like Paki....
And Macedonia is oficially called Macedonia...
Bulgarian is a fine word and do you think you are totally justified in using sexually expicit violent language about my family in a PM because I used the word 'Bulgarian'?
Or is this how your own family behave?...because my family has higher standards than this.
Hey hommie, sometimes messin' around wit people's religion and nationality is not always da best thing to do.
Just give us 2 pairs of gloves and will settle this like Rocky Balboa vs Apollo Creed. Then I 'll go celebrate my victory da greek way, by having some ouzo and smashing some plates.
i know litil greek langwej (not gud like ma inglish) & i say: da abov words very derty bout madar f*** coz u col dem bulgarian & bout PAOK (futbol teem of north greec) mek da.......no no no i cant tok wordz...very bad wordz
I am sure Bulgaria is a nice place, but calling someone from Northern Greece a Bulgarian, is an insult. Is for example calling somebody from India as a "Paki". That is insulting. Furthermore, Greece and Skopje (the country you call Macedonia) have a major dispute about the name.
So please Oryx, although some comments may seem innocent, in fact they could be very....VERY insulting.
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U don't know Greeker - he has strong opinions and an erudite gentleman but he gets his point across in a gentlemanly fashion.
If you feel it is perfectly OK to use sexually abusive violent language then you bring shame on yourself not me. You also bring shame on your family because one wonders what sort of environment you were brought up in to make you think that is acceptable behaviour.
I really pity you for your lack of kindness and social skills.
My ignorance can be quickly remedied with a little reading but your social skills...........
swissgirl39, your definition of ‘’Macedonia’’ is partly true. I’m sorry if my text is long, but believe me, what I’ll write below is just a summary:
Macedonia is a historically defined region. Nowadays it covers parts of Greece, Bulgaria very small parts of Albania and Serbia and the whole of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, a.k.a. F.Y.R.O.M. (it was admitted in the UN with the above provisional name. Its CONSTITUTIONAL name is Republic of Macedonia). However, many countries have recognised it with its constitutional name.
The Greek part covers most of the region of ancient Macedonia, including the birthplace of Alexander the Great.
According to Herodotus, the name comes from the ancient Greek (Dorian) tribe of Makednoi. The name presumably comes from the ancient Doric noun makos (makros in ancient Attic dialect and modern Greek language), meaning "length" and the Doric adjective makednos, meaning "tall", because the ancient Macedonians and their Makednoi ancestors were considered tall people.
Slavic tribes settled in the grounds of present day FYROM in the 6th century (in the Byzantine era). These Slavs were assimilated by Bulgarian invaders about a century later.
In the ottoman empire Macedonia was multicultural, inhibited by Greeks, Turks Jews, Bulgarians, Albanians, Gypsies and Vlachs. In the 20th century, '’Bulgarians'’ had become synonymous with '’Macedonian Slavs'’ and, in the last 50 years they identify themselves as ‘’Macedonians'’.
In modern Greece there is a community of around 40,000 Slavic speakers who identify themselves as Greeks and most of them are bilingual.
FYROM was a province of the Kingdom of Serbia called Vardar Banovina. It was only after WW2 that its name was changed to People's Republic of Macedonia and it became part of Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. At that time Greece had immediately reacted to that name, because there were concerns of Yugoslavia would claiming Greek land. It was later renamed the Socialist Republic of Macedonia. In 1991, when declared intependence from Yugoslavia, it became ‘’Republic of Macedonia’’.
The official language of FYROM (named ‘’Macedonian’’ in former Socialist Yugoslavia after WW2, i.e. recently) is closely related to Bulgarian. It used to be called Slavic or Bulgarian before in the whole region, it’s still called Slavic in Greece. The language name dispute with Greece lies in that the ancient Makedonian was an ancient Greek dialect and cannot be related to a language that was previously called ‘’Bulgarian’’.
The reason for re-naming the language after WW2 was because Bulgaria was with the Axis while most of Yugoslavia was with the Allies. A new name had to be created to avoid indication of Bulgarian speakers in Yugoslavia.
The reasons for FYROM’s name dispute with Greece on the use of the name ‘’Macedonia’’ are:
(1) The name can be the basis of future land claims
(2) Concerns for arrogation of ancient Makedonia’s cultural heritage
(3) Possibility of future claims for exclusive rights to use the name and subsequently impeding the right of Greeks from Makedonia to identify themselves as Macedonians
(4) Creating confusion in the trade business
Personally I’m totally against the use of the word Macedonia or Macedonian by FYROM, because I find it historically inaccurate, it has latent territorial claims and is built on fake identity and heritage theories (there are many examples that prove the above point. The most recent one is the decision that their largest airport will be renamed ‘’Alexander the Great’’).
One could just argue that it should only be considered slightly irritating and not utterly disturbing, in a degree similar to let’s say the irritation of a Brit when an American uses the word ‘’football’’ for a different, subsequent sport where the ball is predominantly played with the hands! However, there are more serious issues than just an arrogation of a name.’’
Koufalia, I do get upset with the Macedonia naming issue (because there is lack of information about it that eventually leads to misinformation), but using such words as yours is absolutely not on and I’m ashamed of that. And Oryx said sorry for being ignorant about Macedonia...
And believe me, you don’t know Greeker. Surely he's not a ''yes sir’’ type of person and he can defend himself or his country. However, if you read his post you';; see how rational and civilized he is in his arguments.
Oryx, not all the people are the same. Different people react in different ways. As I said I went overboard with my language. I chose to stoop to low levels, because I got really offended by your remarks.
No need to repeat ourselves here.
If you write "Greeker you Paki" of course he would not reply, but try saying that to an Indian in the UK. I am sure you know how he will reply. I am still not convinced where I am trying to get with this.
Guys, Balkans is a special territory. We had Balkan wars etc etc.
Talking about this sometimes is like walking on thin ice.
Macedionia is a small and poor Country.But a verry beautyful Village is there.Ohrid.I was there for a visit with a friend.It is really a verry beautyful place to be.
:-D
In fact if I wrote ‘Greeker you Paki’ he would not reply with anything sexually abusive about me or my family.
He would gently correct my ignorance and enlighten me because that is what a gentleman does…..he does say disgusting things about people’s mothers.
You chose to stoop to low levels and other Greeks must be ashamed.
And Salax - I have never advocated violence but you have to keep a woman in line..but that is history.
However if someone uses violent sexually explicit language about members of my family I get upset. Maybe it is ok if people say that about your mother...but not about my mother.
If you read my posts you see i do give out a lot of info...and I have a lovely QL sucess story that I keep meaning to post.
I took a lovely walk to day and the weather is fine.
OK you don't like the word bulgarian...
Sorry I am ignorant about Macedonia..... could you send me some weblinks on this?
I am very knowledgable about many global issues but Macedonia isn't one of them!
Now can you tell me how this justifies you using sexually expletive violent language about members of my family?
If people from Greece dont like Bulgarians then why do many greek men marry Bulgarians. I know lot of old Greek Men who have young Bulgarian Wives? or Are they Bulgarian women gold diggers? I eveb know many greeks who go to Bulgatia for shopping
Oryx, Paki is a fine word to me too, but if I say it to an Indian is not going to be fine anymore is it? Do you understand where I am trying to get? I preferred to offend you by using that kind of language (which I admit I did go a little overboard with this) instead of start talking about your nation. I am sure some people in the UK will appreciate that.
As far as Macedonia is concerned, please Oryx, go and read some history and check the world news every now and then. As I said before, talking about religion and national issues in a forum like this one, could be dangerous, especially when people have no clue what is going on in this planet.
I used the word 'Bulgarian' not a diminutive like Paki....
And Macedonia is oficially called Macedonia...
Bulgarian is a fine word and do you think you are totally justified in using sexually expicit violent language about my family in a PM because I used the word 'Bulgarian'?
Or is this how your own family behave?...because my family has higher standards than this.
Hey hommie, sometimes messin' around wit people's religion and nationality is not always da best thing to do.
Just give us 2 pairs of gloves and will settle this like Rocky Balboa vs Apollo Creed. Then I 'll go celebrate my victory da greek way, by having some ouzo and smashing some plates.
OK bak 2 da subjct boxing:
i know litil greek langwej (not gud like ma inglish) & i say: da abov words very derty bout madar f*** coz u col dem bulgarian & bout PAOK (futbol teem of north greec) mek da.......no no no i cant tok wordz...very bad wordz
now u gyz can 2 go bak 2 da boxing :-)
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I am sure Bulgaria is a nice place, but calling someone from Northern Greece a Bulgarian, is an insult. Is for example calling somebody from India as a "Paki". That is insulting. Furthermore, Greece and Skopje (the country you call Macedonia) have a major dispute about the name.
So please Oryx, although some comments may seem innocent, in fact they could be very....VERY insulting.
You havent' answered my question....
What is wrong with Bulgaria?
Its a really nice place....
What is your problem?????
You should go on holiday to Bulgaria and Romania and Macedonia - they are all really lovely and pretty.
So how have I insulted you?
Did I use any swear words?
Did I threaten you?
Have I said anything that is publically shameful?
What have you written to me?
Did you use any swear words?
Did you threaten me?
have you said anything that is publically shameful?
I am working on it.
Please do settle the matter with HER.
You are not hijacking the post, but you are not helping the situation either. I will settle this with Oryx.
Sorry to hijack your post too.
O.K. then.
You are not helping the situation here.
The issue can be handled between me and Oryx with PMs.
You are not helping the situation here.
The issue can be handled between me and Oryx with PMs.
I hope this message doesn't put Koufalia in trouble with the law.
It is an insult.
I say we end the story here because I think we both got a little out of control about this.
What is wrong with Bulgaria... I have a house and orchard there?
Disturbing?????
Should I report to Qatari
It more disturbing and shocking when someone insults ethnicity by calling someone from Northern Greece as Bulgarian.
Let's end the story here and concentrate back to boxing.
Oryx, believe me, you don't want this translated, what's written here is VERY disturbing and shocking!
This has anything to do with Boxing?
Ah it was in response to this thread where he said I was an Albanian man:
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/62349
I got a PM from this QLer but I don't understand it...
can anyone help me please?
Akou poutanas gie, gamo tin agglia sou re karioli pou tha mas peis kai boulgare.
O PAOK gamaei tin mana sou re mpastarde.