I guess you can't trust anyone

even if the parents didn't have anything to do with their child's disappearance they still should be charged with child endangerment and negligence. it's just irresponsible to leave your young children in a hotel room alone.

Missing time theory: Portuguese cops ask if McCanns were abducted by aliens

Written by queen mudder

Story written: 21 September 2007

The UFO connection may have been inevitable according to Fleet Street sourcces Portimao - (Whodunnit Press): Portuguese cops have claimed that a 'period of missing time' may provide the vital clue to the question every Portimao Polygraph machine operator wants answered: were the McCanns abducted by aliens?

"This could explain everything," one Prosecutor's office source said today.

The Leicestershire couple have born the brunt of dozens of tabloid theories since lip-reading specialists analysed footage of their bizarre audience with the Pope.

But the paranormal angle didn't really emerge until reports that psychics and healers were providing 'vital evidence' in the McCann case.

Today's UK newspapers are focusing on the latest X-Files slant to hit the news-stands in what has been a bankrolling force for the press.

"We're selling millions of extra copies every day," a UK Newspaper Publishers Association source admitted.

"The McCanns have replaced Kate Middleton and foot 'n' mouth disease as the reason why our circulation figures have gone through the roof."

The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious.

I read! I read!

From The Times

September 22, 2007

"In the next few days detectives are expecting toxicology results that may establish whether Madeleine was given sedatives. Tests on hair and bodily fluids found in the McCanns’ hire car and apartment could establish whether she had ingested a large amount of drugs. The research was carried out by the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2507708.ece

I didn't know that. I thought that DNA was still inconclusive. *thinks .... I must read more ... I must read more* :D

Gotta run - going out

I don't know, perhaps it's just the fact that I grew up with my parents working as foster parents and constantly having needy and abused children in the house that I don't believe that just because someone wants or has a child means they will be a good parent. Just because Maddie's parents were doctors does not mean that they couldn't be abusive or neglectful. I'm sure everyone's heard cases of the Town Mayor who raped his daughter. Having a respectful job or organizing a huge search for your kid after they've gone missing does not a good parent make.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

this is going to be the whodunit of the year.

do it right - the first time!

I would say that IF they were involved then it would more likely be a case of accidental death and then a MASSIVE cover up to say the least!

okok Jauntie, careful don't want u biting my head off! lol

ok let me rephrase...what would be their motive IF they were infact involved ?

Innocent until proven guilty? ... we don't know they did, do we!

I'm reading all of this with so many questions and complete disbelief. The most important question on my mind is why would they do that to their 3 year old daughter?

Wasn't there also that woman who said her kid was taken by a Dingo? She was jailed and later released.

In fact I'm sure I read that one of the Portuguese cops in charge of the investigation sent some other woman to jail for murdering her child and SHE has been proven innocent also.

We need to get Waddington's to make a board game for us to play :D

The Vicar, in The Library, with a Candlestick ...

there can be no proof of sedatives. That said, I'm sure I read that after the event it was SUSPECTED/WONDERED ABOUT WHETHER the twins had been sedated because they slept through the kidnap, the mother's hysteria, the people in the rooms after the alarm went up and only came awake as friends were carrying them out of the apartment/villa.

I don't think any child was tested for sedatives and certainly NOT Madeleine.

you understand why i said you have a pessimistic streak....lol gypsy....jk..ok guys i am off for a while catch you all later and hope to meet some of you on thursday.!!!

do it right - the first time!

Will it though? Look at JonBenet Ramsy and OJ Simpson. Perhaps we will never know what really happened to Maddie McCann.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

Wise words indeed CQM

my feeling is ,if at all it did occur ,it was accidental more than purposeful.guess we ll have to wait a while to know the whole story

as they say "for in the end,truth will out..."!

do it right - the first time!

Unlike many other countries, sedation will only be prescribed in extreme circumstances, usually after a serious trauma or attack. You could NEVER prescribe sedatatives in the UK for children to travel, it would be considered irresponsible and negligent. I agree totally with coolquiet, if they found her unconscious, why not just admit that they were negligent parents but not cold blooded killers? Accidents do happen.

According to snippets of Kate McCann's diary she was frustrated by her hyperactive children and the lack of support she received from her husband. Perhaps she hit Maddie or purposely overdosed her sedatives.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

of the fact they were not travelling but what you are asking is a different aspect of the story

here s where the culpable responsibility of the parents begins

would they sedate their own child just so they wouldnt be bothered?.

secondly if they did discover the overdosage why did they not take her to hospital? did they panic and think she was dead when she might have been comatose? why lead this international campaign of deceit?? or did the campaign go out of hand?? were they overawed by the public response??

of course i am just theorising here so no need for any mccann supporters to go up in arms...

do it right - the first time!

They strike me as the kind of parents who would leave their child asleep in the back seat of a hot car with the windows up and then blame the car company when the kid dies.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

trust but with ur guards up......u may get hit but u will b knocked out if ur guards r down.

It may b accidental or in rage but doubt if in cold blood. Husband has a role if they r guity.

not at all.... i know several parents who sedate their children to put them to sleep or during journeys. in fact there is an article which recommends mild sedation for children during long haul journeys......decreases overall stress response....

but the striking thing is neither of the parents were paediatricians...and even for doctors it is very easy to overdose.!!!

do it right - the first time!

Who puts their 3 year old child on sedatives?

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

but i did read about the sedatives...not a big deal because the longer acting ones would tend to stay in the bloodstream a lot longer before being metabolised.it just means she was on sedatives the same or previous days,,,

do it right - the first time!

I'm not so sure the friends were, I think it was easy to convince them that the child went missing. But the husband was invloved for sure.

Thanks PM, I couldn't remember the name of the woman. I remember being shocked it was her though, because she was being so vocal about a carjacker.

I just think of the Elizabeth Smart case in comparison, where the girl actually was stolen from her room, the news went out, but the parents were far to distraught to bring it to the kind of international level that the McCann's did. And in fact, most info put out was done by cops and friends of the family.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

I think that they did it, there was always something fishy about the whole thing. Hopefully it was a tragic accident and they panicked and got themselves into this crazy situation and couldn't dig their way out. Frankly, I hope that this is exactly what happened, the alternatives are far, far worse to consider. I hope that they prove that she wasn't snatched by perverts, that would be the worst scenario for the poor little thing. I have found the whole media coverage really disturbing, there is something "celebrity" about those people, whether caused by the media, a sensation craving general public or themselves, I have no idea.

true crime fan ??

ok sherlock tell us...... is the dna evidence being offered by the portuguese police waterproof?? or will it end up like the chamberlain case?

do it right - the first time!

will catch up on the Agatha Christie stuff when I get back :o)

that would mean everyone around her was involved in [the] cover up also.

on that one, gypsy...in fact the news that they are putting out a publicity campaign to protect thier name struck the wrong chord in me.

some how it didnt jell.

i have a more favourable opinion of the hubby though

do it right - the first time!

I can believe the lengths she's gone through. In fact, that's one of the reasons I think it was her. It just seems to me, and this is from observing other cases, that the ones who seem to make the biggest noise and effort to find their lost kids are the ones who already know where they are. The one's who really lost their kids are usually to distraught and out of it to think of organizing anything to that level.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

doctors sometimes think they are too smart for the rest

(that includes your truly...well only sometimes)...lol

do it right - the first time!

... had they had a load of alcohol? Did she get annoyed cos kid in a strop? accident etc

But to be honest I can't beLIEVE, if that was the case, the lengths she has therefore gone to, to cover it up (unless she has a mental disorder which means she has completely blocked out the incident, which is rather unlikely because then it would have taken her hub and ALL their friends to be involved in the subterfuge)

Will we ever know .......

Nope not at all. It reminded me too much of a similar case in North America where the mother drove her two sons into a lake and drowned them, then blamed it on a car hijacker. I don't know, just something about those people was untrustworthy to me from the start, not the least because they were obviously neglectful enough to leave their children unattended.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

you were not surprised1!!i got a shock when i opened the paper to find the parents as suspects. i didnt hold them in very high esteem because i guess subconsciously i blame them for not using a child minder.

do it right - the first time!

I wouldn't call it pessimism, I think it's more seen it before, not really surprised.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

lol jauntie now your innovative(read money making) side shows...lol

lets split..you take the book ...ill take the film

lol

and even if they didnt do it , it would still be a best seller methinks???

do it right - the first time!

then I wish I had the copyright for the book and film ...

I wonder how many approaches they have had so far (she said cynically)

ah ha your pessimistic side shows itself gypsy

dont give up on the human nature.....yet1!!

do it right - the first time!

and on social websites in the middle east too

do it right - the first time!

I think they did it. I'm just cynical that way.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

has taken over from the 'how much profit did you make on your property this year' conversations at suburban dinner parties around the UK.

Allegedly ...

"Who is advising Kate and Gerry McCann?

British lawyers Michael Caplan, QC, an expert in international law, and Angus McBride, a solicitor who specialises in protecting the reputation of individuals subject to media or criminal investigation. They have also hired a Portuguese lawyer, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, who filed the libel action against a newspaper which said the police suspected them of involvement in their daughter’s death".

I just remembered something about a US connection, that was all. Was the sniffer dog ....

i am not sure of their guilt but now i am not so sure of their innocence either.

i feel very sorry for that sweet girl

i got a daughter the same age.

do it right - the first time!

I retract that then, they've hired a US lawyer.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

From The TimesSeptember 17, 2007

Kate and Gerry McCann send to US for help against evidence of sniffer dogs.

The parents of Madeleine McCann have contacted the lawyers of a man charged with murder who successfully challenged sniffer dog evidence. His lawyers claimed it was unreliable and persuaded a judge in the US to throw out prosecution claims that the dogs had detected the smell of a corpse.

Did I read they have a US lawyer? I can't remember where I saw that ... will check it out. But, yes, Branson has chipped in about £100,000 I believe.

Lot's um, the parents are renewing the search, the Porteguese and British police are questioning them still. Waiting for charges to be laid. uhhhhhhh....Richard Branson has pledged money to their legal funds. They've hired the best lawyers in Britain.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

Just the kind of uplifting news gypsy is famous for...:)

if it werent for u hun , i wouldnt have never fully understood how much misery there really is in the world:)

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"missiles, warships and nuclear weapons cannot establish security. Instead they destroy what peace and security build." Anwar Sadat

any update about the case ..

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"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

I don't believe for a minute they had anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter.

However they are at fault for not making sure she was supervised by themselves or a babysitter.

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Love is the answer...

Don't believe everything you read in the media or from so-called experts

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it does make sense to me .. u r right .. what u say will be taken against u ..

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"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

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http://www.findmadeleine.com/

Written by Madeline's dad.

Ram, if you know that you're tired (the McCanns were kept for long hours, during tiring times of the day/night)... and you've been advised to say nothing by your legal advisors, which is their preogative, then that's what they should do. I know it sounds 'innocent' to say "well if they've got nothing to hide, then they can answer all questions." But the fact is that sometimes what you say can be twisted, re-worded, and re-strung, until its nothing like what you meant to say.

All the time my husband is telling me, "that's not what you said"... and I have to answer, "well its what I meant".

Only if I were in an interrogation room, I would not get a second chance... like I do with my husband! I'd be guilty before I could blink.

A.W.

If the grass is greener on the other side, its sure the water bill is higher !

Gypsy...a couple under 24 hour observation from press, never mind the rest of the population and the police - manage to get hold of a hidden body, move it around, and not infect the rest of their living areas. And. When did they get the time to 'grab the body'...and where did they store it? Where are the other bits of the DNA that is involved in such a maneouvre. They were under watch 24 hours a day... its a bit hard to get hold of a body (that the whole world is looking for) and move it around when no-one is looking. You've got to be kidding !

And not only that, but has anyone asked who had the car during the 25 days before the McCanns hired it?? It could have been someone who had previously hired the car too. A terrible co-incidence but a possibility. It makes sense for someone to hire a car for this kind of thing, rather than use their own. So perhaps someone who previously hired the car was the one involved in the disappearance.

This is so wide-open, and close-minded at the same time, it unbelievable in its making headlines at all - except that it makes good 'copy'.

If the grass is greener on the other side, its sure the water bill is higher !

Unfortunately, there are parents who kill their children everyday. It is sad to think but it happens all too often.

The wierd thing about this story is that the DNA was found in a car that the parents rented - 25 days after Madeline disappeared. Doesn't make much sense to me. That would mean that they hid the child's body then moved it almost a month later. I am afraid that this is another case that will never be solved.

Lisa

But it is still the Portugese who are playing it down.

Call me Maninibat!

if they r planting evidences .. what do u say about 40 questions they didn't answer ?? they can't plant this too .. or the couple would object on that ..

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This was reported by the British police, not the Porteguese police.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

On BBC radio 4 this morning it was announced that the Portugese Police are "playing down" press reports that the DNA was a 100% match.

It is on the BBC news 24 website now, but unsurprisingly it only gets a sentence of coverage.

I hate the British press with a vengance and struggle to believe anything they say.

Call me Maninibat!

but gypsy ... how do you know the police not planting the evidence? they dont any 'bad report' tarnish portugal tourism industry.

innocent till proven guilty???

i do disgusted by how can the leave 3 young kids on their own when they are having a dinner. Surely they can afford babysitter from the hotel?

I do hope that whatever happen they will find the body of madeline and she can put it to rest properly.

Angelwings did you read the story, they found a large spot of bodily fluid in the trunk of the car (it was covered up by upholstry). The Bodily fluid was 100% Maddies, which means, either they carried Maddie dead in the trunk or they carried her alive.

Either way I'm disgusted with the parents.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

if that is true .. why would they kill their daughter ?? she is just an innocent angels .. ohh no could it be like that ...

thanks a lot for the link ..

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You don't say what disgusts you. Have you found them guilty, or is it the investigation that disgusts you?

When it comes down to DNA... you have probably been at the scene of more crimes than you'd care to know. But that doesn't make you guilty. It just means that bit of you are lying around, which is perfectly normal, as you shred millions of bits of skin, hair and body fluids all the time. The nature of those 'bits' are what is important, and that hasn't been established, so hold back on your disgust, unless its with the procedures that have been messy, thwarted, and clogged !

Angelwings.

If the grass is greener on the other side, its sure the water bill is higher !