Self Defence - We Now Have a Teacher!

I should have been there June 07.

Put off to Sept. 07.

Put off to Dec. 07.

So I recon it will be Spring 08.

Hey Ho.

Call me Maninibat!

When will you arrive?

I would reccommend this people.

I will send a PM request if I may and catch up with you when I arrive.

Call me Maninibat!

when i was at turkey i had been working wing chun until 3.degree ( form 11 and pang sao) i am looking for Wing Chun shing in doha. or are there SB interesting in wing chun for together to practice. . . please contact me . .

Ferda [email protected]

We also have an offer of a location also!

Come on Ladies, are we going to do this?

All you have to do is turn up, with some food and drink, have some fun.

If anyone is still interested in taking up asamarji's kind offer then please let me know so I can help you get organised.

asamarji can show you some very good escapes as I have said before.

Please don't let this die off, it would be such a shame if it did.

PM me people.

If anyone is still interested in taking up asamarji's kind offer then please let me know so I can help you get organised.

asamarji can show you some very good escapes as I have said before.

Please don't let this die off, it would be such a shame if it did.

PM me people.

I have heard of an incident where the girl escaped by telling she has AIDS.

Any perfume spray aimed at his eyes in close range should blind him for a few minutes.

Any escape will have to happen within the 1st five minutes after which the woman might grow tired.

One single jab will never do. You may have to hit him 5-6 times at least.

So the List is:

1. Blind his Eyes - Put 2 fingers into his eyes through to his brain. Successfull or not he will grab your hand. next

2. Kick in the Groin - If you hit or miss he will turn you around. Next

3. Kick his Shin. - Kick the shin with your heels & immediately .

4. Head butt - Since he is holding with your back to him a high impact head butt aiming for his nose should make him release you. If he doesnt Keep the combination going. - Shin Kicks & head Butts.

5. If he still doesnt, make sure you have his eyeballs removed, otherwise your life is in grave danger.

6. On release of grip, kick on his knees with intent to dislocate his knee-cap, so that he may not be able to chase you.

If he gets these 6 blows he will run from you rather than the other way around.

All this time be carefull you dont fall over & let him get over you which will put you at a very distinct disadvantage. Then I think the only thing is to go for his throat with your teeth & hold on like a lion does to its prey no matter what ever he does.

But this combination has to be practiced atleast a couple of times. Girl on girl practice will also do (be carefull of the headbutts though in practice).

send me the details JBH that would be really nice thank you!

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Yeah..back in the day martial arts was self defense, however thanks to the olympics and the commercial profits of your average McDojo martial arts have been corrupted slightly into becoming point-sports for those interested in competing and not really helpful in a real life situation.

I'm not saying its bad to compete because i compete myself and i love it, i used to do alot of the point stuff back a long time ago but then i actually did some no holds barred matches and i wouldnt say its closer to real life because its actually alot more technical and advanced than real life.

In real life..at least here in qatar there are basically two moves in a streetfight, the looping punch and the push, and with only these two moves people still have trouble avoiding being hit with them! What a shame.

Well combat sports isnt really something you can just take a couple months course and be safe forever, its a long journey and dont be biased towards one style, learn everything and take from it what you feel you can apply and what u can perform physically, there is no point of learning spinning jump kicks if you cant do them in your casual daily clothes or jeans! Or if u cant do them without half hour warmup before! Thats not a practical move for self defense!

Anybody of any age can learn martial arts and combat sports, dont think of it as a start at white belt and end at black, i dont even approve of belt system, take it as a life journey like i told u, see all styles, all approaches, and beleive me one day your life will be like the Matrix, and i dont mean your life will be a rubbish movie, but i mean that everything anyone will trhow at you will really seem slow motion and predictable.

In the end its all about what u want to do to someone anyway, arwe u just joking around with friends, teaching someone a small lesson, or really in a life or death situation.

I dont like "realistic" self defense classes because they teach you specific senarios, here is one -two and three, and when in real life somebody puts you in senario number 4 which u never learnt you will be screwed! Keeping in mind the number of senarios in "realistic" situations is infinite! Are you really safe learning 20 techniques? 30? 100?

Wing Chun/Kun Fu/Tai Chi Classes Available

If you go to that link, there is information on martial arts/self defence classes at Aspire.

www.aspire.qa

goto link ASPIRE ACTIVE then to mens link (these classes are for men and women)

For more information and advise, you are welcome to contact the instructor: Mr. Farhad Lotfi – ph: 5138177 or email: [email protected].

Try www.aspire.qa

Then click on link ASPIRE ACTIVE

Then men section - the self defence classes are for both men and women

People I agree we need some basic self defense moves rather than a martial art course. I would mainly focus on how to escape from the aggressor rather than how to fight them … having said that, sometimes I wouldn't mind to know how to beat somebody up!

1) Pepper spray or other repellent: You need to exercise fine motor control in order to hit your target with these. Will you be able to do that when your hands are shaking and you are scared witless?

2) T'ai chi: Maybe your intention is to confuse or entertain your assailant?

3) As has been noted previously: Sporting "martial arts". Forget them.

I thought you couldn't advertise on this forum...but since others have done so and no moderator has deleted the posts, then let me refer those interested to:

www.senshido.com

The school is in Canada, but they sell videos (which I cannot recommend enough)...AND they fly all over the world for seminars if there is enough interest. I know it's not free, but people will decide for themselves if its worth investing in or not.

Be safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

Capello – the link doesn’t work …

Charmed – did you guys have a good holiday? Welcome back!

n/m

TTT to rouse interest.

Where have you been? I haven't seen you login for days? have you been away? I'll PM you later!

Little angel

How about you?

Are you up for it?

Shall I PM you the details?

Not as I am a real fast runner during my youth and still can run fast until now so I'll just depend on my feet to escape from bad people! :) my kids are too demanding nowadays, always running here and there to do things for the family. I could hardly get a time for myself

Little angel

i think there would be a lot of women interested in these classes, however if they could be women only then women would feel a lot safer! i know i would!

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Ok Chuck.

Are you interested in the classes?

Sorry! I was just kidding about that Tai chi instructor, I only use my Tai chi with my husband because I know for sure he will not hit me back :) hi! hi! hi!

Little angel

In Saudi they sell them in a sport shops. I will look around in a next couple of days and will get back here for more information. For the meantime bring small can of bugs spray with you it will do the job.

Little angel

Hi, where do you get pepper sprays in Doha?

If you go to that link, there is information on martial arts/self defence classes at Aspire.

http://rel.english.aspire.qa/topics/index.asp?cu_no=1&item_no=2447&version=1&template_id=398&parent_id=396&operation_type=6

For more information and advise, you are welcome to contact the instructor: Mr. Farhad Lotfi – ph: 5138177 or email: [email protected].

Can anyone help with a lace for the self defence training and a time table for when you want to start it.

We have very kind offers from a qualified teacher so lets get it going.

Has anyone a big enough room or a garage maybe?

Are you offering your services also?

Are you the Tai Chi instructor?

Thank you so much.

I will do my best to get it going but I am not there until the last quarter of the year.

If we may, we will post here or PM you.

Many Thanks

i will gladly offer my services. being a black belt in aikido which is a pure defensive art i would love to share the kwoledge with anybody intrested.

all you need is arrange the where ( it can be anywhere) and ill join gladly...

Who is willing to offer self-defense classes for a meagre sum of money?

Can you help with this please?

Ok Buddy.

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Happy to post my opinions JBH, but I don't really know how qualified I am to teach.

More importantly, it's not that object to the idea of teaching, especially if there is no one else more qualified...it's just my schedule. I work 10 hour days, 6 days a week....and then I have night courses 3 nights a week...AND we have a brand new baby girl at home, so I barely have time to sleep anymore.

Wish I could but I just don't see how I could squeeze it in right now =( Sorry.

I still wish you all the best, and hope you will all remain safe.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

I have set up a QL Group for this subject.

I think it is with the Mod.s at the moment.

I will keep you posted.

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Well said buddy.

Can you help with teaching?

The only thing I will add if I may is you only need to learn a few things to become more effective.

For me those are grab escapes, they can put the attacher off because they don't know what else you are capable of.

How to get out from underneath someone, same reason as above really.

Where / how to hurt them, thunb under the cheekbone, under the corner of the jaw bone, down in to the wind pipe where the collar bones meet or better still the eye.

How to be alert and stay calm.

How to use everyday things as weapons, rolled up magazine, mobile phone [but you may not want to break that because you might need it.

I believe those things repeated over about 8 weeks will really change your ability, without making you believe you are indestructable of course.

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It has already been mentioned briefly, but I just wanted to reiterate...most martial arts are sports, and therefore NOT self defense. They are very useful (they teach some techniques which might be used under the right circumstances, not to mention flexibility, general fitness, and discipline), but they have rules and disallowed moves etc...which is not real self defense. In the street, your attacker will not put on a uniform, allow you to stretch, bow to you, and observe "legal" moves only...they will try and hurt you, pure and simple.

I do not want to start a flame war of which martial art is better than which...but I just wanted to point out: be careful, because some unethical people (who just want to make money) will market anything as self defense. Having done Street fighting for 6 years (and no I have no belt in any style, but as JBH said in a street fight people DO eye gouge and spit and bite, they try and crush your larynx, and even may pull out concealed weapons use their environment against you) let me tell you that there is a whole discipline on staying alive....from being aware of your environment...to attacker and victim mannerisms and behaviour... predator and prey psychology...verbal diffusion and de-escalation...to physical violence...and on and on.

As has been said alreay, arm yourself with as much knowledge as you can and hope you never ever have to fight for your life. No matter how tough you think you are, there are just too many variables in a fight...not to mention someone always tougher out there. Let me just quickly say that groing kicks are just pain and you have no idea what your opponents threshold is (or even if he is capable of feeling pain with the drugs out there today). Pepper spray may work on 95% of the population, but repeated exposure renders you immune (My friend was a bouncer and he could inhale the stuff like a breath freshner)...do you want to take the risk that your attacker isn't one of those 5%?

My advice is go for primary targets only (eyes and throat)! everything else should just be a means to strike those targets. Why? psychology and biology (opponents who cannot see and breathe cannot fight, they get scared and become the victim...also those are the only 2 spots that instantly shut down adrenaline production in the body). And RUN away!

I hope you never have to ever use that, but if you do, it may save your life.

I'm sorry this thread is a little morbid and graphic, but this is a real "adult" subject if I ever saw one.

Be safe everyone.

P.S. I would direct you to a website that sells videos and even offers seminars but I think that's against this forums rules...sorry. Besides you'd be surprise how reluctant people are to spend money on info that could potentially save their lives, but will gladly blow cash on tennis or dancing lessons. Boggles the mind!

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

TTT

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If it gets that close then go for the eyes with meaning.

A special one against men is to put a finger in their nipple and push down into their stomach.

Then run like hell.

All of the above when screaming like a banshee.

Most of all forget the why should I attitude.

When you are watching your kids you are aware of everything that may cause them harm, be it table corners, big kids picking on them or care around hot water, it's natural.

So why do we not think we should be like that with our selves, we are someones kids also.

Make the trainig fun though.

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Well I think the first thing u need is basically your self confidence. I am blackbelt in Tae-kwando and have been national champion fot three consecutive years in Pakistan...use to give training also back in late ninetees...but i have observed that watever seld defence techniques we used to teach ...not every girl or boy was able to user it practically...actually the self defence training starts from home...when u teach your child to use the brain to handle the situation...if u knw that u need to survive and u r strongwilled thn only these techniques can help u out...The best step is to develop your concentration...and not loosing temper...then only one can really get benefit od these techniques... Ican say tht bc i have travelled alone to so many places and have successfully used my confidenc mix with these techniques..

so whoever is goin to conduct these trainings must first develop slef confidence in the participants..thts the most improtant factor. and just bleieve u me...its alwys yr brain and thought process tht make things happen..

When u r out one should be ready to face and handle situations bc these situations can be faced anywhere..any place..

Good Day!!!

Cornelian - "here's the best thing to do when attacked : just kick him in the balls and run!" … I was once told by a professional boxer that the best thing to do is to go for the eyes of the aggressor then run as fast as you can!!!

JBH – I 'm seriously thinking about getting into some self defense class so I'd definitely be interested.

The tip I learned and passed on to my (then) teenage children is:

Spit as hard as you can straight into the attacker's face. This gives you a second or two of blindness, since EVERYBODY blinks when spat at.

Perform the aforementioned kick.

Remember that if your adversary gets up quickly, he is going to be very mad.

Run like hell and make noise.

But the best advice of all is do your utmost never to get into such a situation.

Yes, Pope, guns can be very effective, but many people are afraid to carry them and are even more afraid to use them. They require licenses --can foreigners get a license for concealed carry in Qatar?-- and TRAINING. Then you need time to get them out and aim them, and just the right distance: too little and he grabs your weapon, too much and you find yourself looking at a murder charge. In a close-in situation that develops quickly, nothing beats hands, feet, elbows, and knees.

Smith and Wesson is the best defense. I forgot grand-daddy AK-47 for this region.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery

None but ourselves can free our minds..

As someone mentioned previously, you only need a few good moves to defend yourself effectively. You don't need to spend years studying and practicing (or practising). But before we get to that...

You can start by becoming aware of your surroundings: Who is around you and what they are doing. You can avoid trouble far more easily than you can stop it once it starts. Simply STAY AWAY from potentially dangerous situations. This means you may have to forget about your "rights" and err on the side of caution.

Second, if you are approached in a threatening manner or attacked, DO SOMETHING, anything. You don't have to be a skilled fighter to drive someone away. Just MAKE NOISE and MOVE. Make things as difficult as possible for your attacker. If you are afraid of causing a scene or of being wrong in your judgment, GET OVER THAT RIGHT NOW. Predators know how you think and feel, and they are very good at exploiting and manipulating your "secret" fears...

The above will take care of almost every potentially troublesome situation that you will ever encounter. If someone is truly bent on victimizing you, you will need a few good moves, but just a few; I suggest that you learn the most lethal. Kicking a man in the balls *might* work, but there are several more effective strategies that are easier. Please DO take a course in self-defense, but make sure it is aimed at teaching you the most in the least time.

...I'm a delicate flower...really...

JBH...I reckon life is a process and so are most things in life. Aikido, I imagine, is no different. It somewhat depends on our goals...at thins point, I'm at the "what interests me" concept stage. I doubt I'm ever going to have to worry about being grand poobah of any sort.

I don't have to be #1, I just have to be...

I studied Aikido for about 5 years on and off with a very very good teacher.

Terry Ezra, look him up on the net.

He told us Aikido was a very good self defence, if you have ten or fifteen years to spare to learn it properly, but he told us to go and try everything else available also.

I really do reccomend Yoga to get all over fit and flexible, and or Pilates.

The reason I say that is a lot of the warm up in Aikido was yoga based or at least very similar. I did the same exercises in yoga classes.

Taekwondo is [in the vast majority of classes] a sport, not practical in my opinion.

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after meeting you the other night ... i think people will think twice, thrice or more before messing around with u.

good nite and god bless.

Didn't do anything good at all! he eats more after his Teakwondo classes. he cries if we don't buy him 4 pieces of Swarma which is his favorite snack after training!!! Poor thing I really feel sorry for him he'd rather run around all day and do cycling with his friends. at least it keeps him active.....

Got to go to bed talk to you guys again tomorrow!!!

Good night everybody!!!

Have a nice weekend!!!

Angel

i been ... just came back last week. But not crossing my mind to buy it ... since i dont think i would be needing it.

That would be on my shopping list for my christmas trip to the UK. I think i should made some money out of it from the ladies in QL lol.

you're going to UK right? that's a good business for you! kidding! in Saudi they have those pepper spray.. I did say bug spray will do! but please only in a small can because it will take a lot of space to your hand bag.

Angel

...I think it's a great idea...besides, it would be another reason to get out of the house in Doha...and that's always a good thing. Instead of thinking about it as a way to protect yourself, look at it as recreation with benefits.

I, for one, am definitely interested in Akido, (though I imaging learning the proper way to spell it would be a good start).

is the tae kwon do doing your son good or bad then?

I will be willing to join from July onwards and very keen..

Guys let me know

My son joined in Taekwondo back in Saudi but he has to stop because they keep hitting him on his shin, so he backed off! actually the fact that he's big boy for his age nobody will bully him, although people don't really know he's very soft boy afraid of his little sister! at least it's a good bluff to keep him big like a rugby player built!

Angel

There shouldn't be any fees in my oppinion.

Everyone may have to chip in if a room needs to be hired.

But I am sure someone must have a bit of space somewhere.

Remember this is a bunch of friends getting together to help eachother.

None of that buy a suit and take your shoes off crap.

I had my fill of that years ago.

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agree ...

btw ... where can i buy a pepper spray in Qatar?

we all should learn some basics...

If you act tough with man, they will not mess with you! But if they see you're afraid of them, then they think they can get away with it.

Angel

I m willing to join in too but depends on the fees.

Don't get then aggressive, get them scared.

Or damaged.

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Sorry I wasn't being difficult honestly.

But I do think we should all learn some basics.

I believe all schools should teach some self defence also.

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I'm convined that the situation is going worse day by day cause of increase the numbers of bachelor labours and most of them came from the poor region ,,, they look like beasts ,,i note that alot of them stare on girls on scary way ...

I'm convined that the situation is going worse day by day cause of increase of numbers of bachelor labours and most of them came from the poor region ,,, they look like beasts ,,i note that alot of them stare on girls on scary way ...

There is an Aikido thread.

And there is a Ju-Jitsu / Judo thread.

I will try and contact them, but you people try also and ask them to contribute to this thread.

I have to go to bed soon as I have work tomorrow.

If anyone starts talking about high kicks or standing in line punching air then forget it.

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The more you harm them the more they get aggressive! so watch out kicking them in the balls!!!!!

Angel

CALM DOWN..actually i don't think the situation here is bad as u and others imagine ,can u explian why all this scare ?! i believe that there is alot of crimes all over the world and its related on size of country.. i think cause qatar is small country we can hear about everything happens , so when we hear about certian crime it may be the unique one ,, or what do u think?

When you are at home with nothing to do, get on the floor then get up without using your hands.

Keep doing this until you can do it with ease.

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Erm, yes.

We are in the forest, just because we cut the trees down and built houses don't think the beasts have gone away.

If you have a partner ask them to wear a cricket box and you try and kick them in the balls while they try and take you down.

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count me in JBH ... but who will teach us since you are not here yet?

there was a guy on this forum call ahmad44, he is a martial art teacher. I am sure he can contribute something ... unfortunately i havent seen him online for sometimes now.

Pepper spray or mace whenever you're out on your own if you find any bugs spray will do!.

Angel

do u think u r living in forest of something like this, i think that no need to learn martial arts!!! its safe here it may the situation has begun to change,, just take care ... :) as cornellian said kich in the balls and run ,, if there were no balls :P ?!

Sadly Cornellian we men are very wary of being kicked in the balls.

And not being on two feet puts you at a disadvantage.

But I can't fault your spirit.

Any more takers?

Or questions on how we could make it work?

What I have in mind is based on a self defence course I took run by a policeman, but not as part of his police duties.

There were Mums, Dads, kids, teenagers all ages.

We were taught about 7 different simple things over 4 weeks.

He based it on what he saw during his police duties and observing cctv of actual events.

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For any woman that doesn't know any self defence moves, here's the best thing to do when attacked : just kick him in the balls and run!

And I would be interested in attending :-)

If ther is any interest in this I will start a group.

But I would rather someone living in Qatar did because I won't be there until the last quarter of this year.

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