I would never have guessed

But when it comes to being born gay, they strongly deny it.

not my knowledge maybe thelo's

babu your limited knowledge of biology is somewhat shocking. Have you heard of puberty when the human body undergoes changes influenced by huge hormonal surges?

Babies do not have sexuality.

Rip Cord: read the story and he's gonna get screwed abusing and misusing govt money.

(:

Mast the only gays I know are actually very religious people, I don't know any gay atheists. I don't know if there is a correlation between the two but I doubt it.

ok i wont deny what u say if u show evidence of a new born gay baby

Hey it looks like gay acceptance has even landed in Qatar....

http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/qatar/250310-community-in-shock-over-‘wedlock’.html

i think it's ok to be gay (:

You must be handsome (with a helping hand, helping yourself) Brit, not Gay or it might be a new discovery for all of us here in QL that The Cuban Shotputter is a 'puttar' (Son).

Is she a he? lol'z

I feel gay today because I found a romantic letter from my Cuban Shotputter

I feel gay today because I found a love letter from my Cuban Shotputter

Hold on mates, hold on please, enough discussing others private life and likes.

Is there anyone in QL who can come forward and say I am a Gay and these are the reasons??

OK MN would agree with you as your my good friend.......:)

yes ur right...hope the thread posted had some sense

Have a great day

mast kalandar : please , let’s keep this a civilized discussion ye (:

ROFL boxbe ha ha ha ha ha..RC dont likes athiest gays...............:)

this page is good for discussion when leave atheists in closed room to discuss...only want to see the end result when i open the door...rofl...:)))

SA ,,, That doesn't mean everybody will turn into Gay or Lesbian

Feeling, emotions, the way they act and and and

It might be closer to a gender more than the other

Take an example

If you raise a child between girls and gave him girl toys and treat him in a sissy way, what do you expect !! (Superman)

thank you...u atleast u know that..that is enough for me

Adam and eve is a nice story but it's not literally true.

Athiests are gays? haha, what are we 7 year olds at school throwing insults when lost for words...

Boxbi: yeah I know that.

But let’s not mix theology with applicable sciences. Shall we? (:

Iam sure u know about Adam and eve

most of the athiest in doha are as well gays......

BG all of them play games together in one room abu hamour area good human beings

hahahaha MK

Wow, I thought it was a sperm fertilising an egg that made a woman, now I can make them from ribs.

Woman is made out of ribs of man..Not woman from a woman or man from a man..iam sure ur aware about this

in fact two of my very close friends are gay

how can they be best of human beings

Suli:And how can we Really Define(Man and Woman)?

Is it the gender divide? Sexual orientation? Physical appearance/ functions?

kareena is already married...maybe ur talking about the past..rofl..she is now grown up :)

I heard kar BF is canadian gay...............

That the new borns are born balanced and later they will be adjusted.

in fact two of my very close friends are gay and they are the best human beings I have ever known..

Balanced

Man is a man

Women is a woman

If you red my comment well, You will see that i said there are EXPECTATIONS.

Boxbi:Let's not Judge ye (:

All are born normal...but as they grow up few of them become abnormal as many cases u can see here :P

What do you mean by “balanced”?

What makes you assume all the men /women involved are capable of fertilization?

And let’s forget that the term “Gay” also applies to Lesbian women.

Marco , I meant by "Straight" that they born balanced

and It will be Adjusted in the first couple of years!

For all, so the example brought by Miss Mimi is not applicable for all new borns.

seems a deep rooted propaganda against dear Pakistan ...

GG

Lets analyze it

P.S All the numbers are from my mind or consider it an example:

One man can sleep with many (1,2,3,,,10 Depends) women, and you there is a chance to make them all pregnant that time.

While each woman can get pregnant once every 9 months (at least)

So the world needs more straight men that straight women to safe the human being.

what do you think GG?

It is just a guess

boxbe he is correct for him its bad coz alatool jahanaam for him

correct it..islamabad and not islamisbad

why not ask the 20 month old and see his reaction..but dont brain wash him...rofl

saying born gay the modern societies want to wash their hands from doing the corrections in the deviations ....

Suli: People are born straight?

I have my doubts.

In my opinion people are born male/female. Our sexual Identity “homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual “is something that comes along later on in life.

Nurse: hello sir congratulations for the new born

Father: is it a boy or girl

Nurse: Gay

Father : how do u know

Nurse : doctor said so

The questions on this forum are too stupid for words. I get more intelligent questions from my 20 month old.

If people are born gay then what about the females...iam sure ur a female..not a male right :)

As I typed it you didn't hear a thing BoxBe. But yes, I did write that people are born gay.

Mimi...lol

btw where is Darude??? LOL

As per u people are born gay..did i hear it right or wrong..:)

Sulie you are so wise..:) Even men can do that...then no one will know..and they can live happily ever after..:)

Because men find lesbians attractive GG. So it's more accepted. At least till they find out that real lesbians aren't like what they see in porno's and aren't going to sleep with them.

Cheers my friend

gypsy gal ,,, Maybe they play in the dark, No one can see them :)

boxbe science says so

people are born gay..rofl..:)))))))))))))))

did science tell u that too

People born straight, and then the circumstances plays the big rule, but I think there are some expectation when the child born with a problem with his/her hormones.

But anyway, no one choose, Right?

They deserve to live

believe me if science is gona tell me u r Lxxbo or Gxy i wont believe

and who is that "they" say so ?

I don't expect monkey's to believe much, they're brains haven't evolved enough to understand the complexities of genetics.

Why is it being Gay only creates so much issue? Isnt there similar number of lesbians too in this world?

Because science and they say so.

miss mimi i really want to know how do u identify them as born gay

So if these people were not born gay where did they come from in Pakistan and the Middle East? It's illegal and it is not promoted in anyway, you would think there should be none if it is the culture than influences them

Yes BG they were.

mabrook miss mimi i m so happy for them

one question were they born gay

No I wouldn't, but I don't view blogs as legitimate sites.

BG, I could give a crap if any members of my family were gay. In fact several members of my family are.

So in the end, Who is the gay? :O(

Any link which contradicts with your view is a religious site?http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/stats-on-human-rights/statistics-on-discrimination/statistics-on-discrimination-of-homosexuals/

u will accept on forums how abt in real life

Yes, I would accept if my husband or my mother were gay. Wouldn't bother me. How does it benefit me? How does more acceptance and tolerance of people not benefit anyone?

That you Miss Mimi a woman which can accept her husband to be a gay. And also accepts her mother to be homosexual.

Miss Mimi how will you benifit your self when you spread the homosexuality culture?

again google search where does google get the info from

thanks now also tell how cnn and bbc work

Yes SA, homosexuality has been witnessed in every species of animal that doesn't reproduce asexually. Again, do a google search. Of course that would require you not to cherry pick what you read and stick to your religious sites.

I have no issues with my family members being gay.

BG: Are you aware of how Google works?

OK Google is an online search engine and its job is to create index and amassing database of documents that are accessible when queried by users.

They don’t put anything (:

I still remember your article Miss Mimi about homosexuality in animals. I guess you belong to the group which wantd to say that homosexuality should be accepted.

Then those who say it should be accept it must also accepted for their family members also.

A hypocrite person is a person who accept thingx for others and does not accept it for him/her self.

so quite easy to post anything on google, just like they do on bbc and cnn

Don't tell me they were gay :O(

Perhaps you’re right Mismimi.

I will look into it

Larry Page and Sergey Brin.

google is invented by whom ?

there's lots of evidence to say people are born gay.

where is the evidence

No one would knowingly choose to be gay.

havent come across a 2 yrs or 5 yr old gay baby

Google it BG. Surely you know how to type.

Wants to say is that they are borne natural and then they are shaped by the surrounding starting from the parents up to their community.

I disagree MN, there's lots of evidence to say people are born gay. No one would knowingly choose to be gay.

Including USA, Canada, France, Spain, and other countries, the link has charts and tables and showing the acceptance by countries and age also, it is just a fantastic link for knowledge seekers.

LLR: No one is born gay just like no one is born straight either.

Our sexuality is a matter of attraction/preference, and its oriented/ determined at a very young age.

It’s neither inherited nor encoded.

Mods...time to lock this thread...useless posting by a useless user

Straight Arrow: homosexuality is accepted in Western countries?

Try being gay in Moscow lol

Homosexualtiy is accepted in western countries and below link is really one of the best links

http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/stats-on-human-rights/statistics-on-discrimination/statistics-on-discrimination-of-homosexuals/

I think very less of them were born that way, remaining gay community is either seduced by those naturally born or those who are in "Open Relationship with anything both living and nonliving"

Their favorite planet is Uranus . :)

Rizks : Yup

HGL: ever since the band 1 direction started kissing each other on national TV 'n grabbing butts. Life on our planet has never been the same lol!

Rips a little fruity i see

MN...lol...:)

Yes I second Mimi we are not really sure that they really love men and be honest with them, maybe they just need to try all the available options.

After some days maybe incests will be fighting for their rights and part of world will call them more liberating.

Joke I am not sure how many of you will understand it.

Q.Did you hear about the two poofters who went to London?

A. They were REALLY pissed off when they found out Big Ben was a clock.

Gayz are human beings too - right ?

tch tch tch tch ..... the thread never turned out the way OP wants ... though he is really TRYING HARD :-)

well on the topic ... gays are a very common scenario for every country .. and i agree with most of you , its media that now even we are talking abt , and joke abt it ... once it was a taboo ( atleast for me) , but with the passage of time , i also has started taking it easy n even jokes abt it with frnds ....

all is ok but m just scared of the pope's u know safety concern abt the small children

It is quite subtle how its done. The same "technique" was used in Western countries..

Take a popular TV show.. quietly introduce a gay character into the background.. Gradually give it more prominence and acceptance. Then make it a primary character..

I would wonder if they are as heterosexual as they say they are Kareena. Or they could be bi.

Maybe this is why Pakistani visas are hard to get in Qatar now....

I must agree it does seem that we are force fed gay propaganda now, it has gone a bit over the top. Go do what you want, but I don't want to hear the details....

MN...may be. Oflate I have been watching the Indian film award shows from 2010 onwards which I missed and in almost all the shows somehow the pranks played by the host(s) would be directed in more than one instance into gay related talks/actions. So yeah, looks like media is trying to get it accepted by pushing it through in an unassuming way to the people.

Britexpat: Did you feel a rush in your heart? LOL’z

..and after chennai-express (It did big business there), people will be doing Lungi-Dance in meena-bazar LHR :)

Kareena74 said Miss Mimi ...

I know many men thats interesting how many

Brit maybe he thought you are sweating :))

I guess kareena has a point...most of dance reality shows on Indian TV have gays as judges and fashion designers are almost all gays. I am not sure if they are born so or they work towards it to be seen as different or is it some kind of fashion statement.

P.S.: I do not want to divert the discussion towards India...it was just and observation. Let us remain with what is at hand...:)

i think the producer and director of Dostana are gays...ban them for humanity sake....:(

going by how much one hears about them, they presumably exert quite a bit of influence..however, one also then must wonder about the level of acceptance they have from the mainstream..you still hear of attacks in the US/UK, societies which are well on the way to fully accepting it..it will never be fully legalized in the Middle East but they will look the other way for the most part as they do now..and while i do have a strong opinion on the practice itself; i rather not judge the person practicing it..live and let live works for me

happygolucky : or maybe that’s what media wants to have us believe.

Remember Lot’s of gay material is being forced down society’s throat especially from the entertainment industry.

I was always worried about my Dance Teacher, Derek. The way he cha Cha'd and held me close didn't seem right "O(

I know many men who are friend and colleagues.. They have told me themselves that eventhough they are happily married they still like to have that occasional evening with the guys.. They admit it that they started it young and now they can't get out of it eventhough they are married..

you nailed it right..

I guess it is widespread after the release of 'Dostana' :)

RIP: you're all over the place (:

Take a chill pill.

Kareena, what you just described is called "Prison Gay" in the West. It's not real gay as they'll "revert" back to heterosexuality once they have access to women again.

I think he did not prefer baldyysss. :))

and what about Nehru ?

Don't forget Ghandi was gay as well.

In some cultures where there is segregation of boys and girls from early childhood, the boys end up being with boys because of unavailability of girls and then they end up liking it so when they do grow up and get married to women, they still continue doing this on the side.. But then in the west, there is no segregation whatsoever between sexes and women are freely available and yet there are gays there out of free choice.. So you can't really say what the reason is.

Tinks, but no gays in Iran, Ahmed-Dinner-Jacket said so! It's an evil western thing...

There are no more gays now than there was in the past, it's just that now they can actually be open about their sexuality in most places and are no longer forced into sham marriages or to live our their lives as spinsters and bachelors.

Do they exert influence? Well many artists, military leaders, writers, etc have been gay, perhaps having to lie about themselves pushed them into exceeding in other ways, so I would say that yes, there have been many influential ones.

There is currently a strong LGBT lobby in many countries pushing for equality, and they exert a lot of influence, that I personally believe is in the right direction, as they promote tolerance and equality.

GGal: it’s disorientation not a defect.

Why to pick Pakistan? It’s everywhere.

let's not be fanning the stereotype flames

History has recorded homosexuality from centuries but what is important to know is "How many of them are really Gay?" and how many of them are trying it just because they can't afford to have a women or they are afraid of their poor manhood? or they just want to try all possible options to make their little Johnny sleep well?

it's because of 'vulgar' Indian media :)

ban them!

I think it was always a thing, it's just people talk about it now...

britexpat : Gays percentage around the world is ambiguous but the influence is immense.

what is the psycology behind being a Gay? Is it bcos of the lack of interaction with women or its a manufacturing defect? :)

For instance fashion designer, hair stylist, interior designer, an English or Drama teacher.. My husband who is a teacher used to tell me that male English teachers or Drama teachers are mostly gay..

Valid point. I always wonder about the percentage of gays in society and the influence they exert..

good point..its just a global thing now..i imagine some folk even see it as being in fashion

The article was being written for QL and to be picked by RIP :)

As all over the world, Homosexuality is on rise and its acceptance too and so is the case in Pakistan. In the metropolious cities in Pakistan the GAY parties are on rise and many media persons in Pakistan are gays.

But it will remain taboo.

HGL ~ LOL at DJ :)

This is why I stay away from the Scientologists and Tom Cruise :O(

Kareena: Molesters will disguise themselves as many things.

In which religious persons used to come home to give private lessons to children about a particular religion and used to teach them read the Holy book and then ended up molesting those innocent kids.

Yeah I was surprised at the shrine bit, surely that is the place you would stay away from, but then again a lot of Catholic priests turned out to be gay so maybe that is where the action is.

I don't think the writer has changed much except the names of the boys and some personal details.. Even with the lesbian couple I am sure the names have been changed.. Other than that it sounds pretty resonable.. And I used to think its only around this part of the world this thing is going on but good to know that Pakistan is finally coming out of the closet.. Well done>

Interesting article. I find the bit about the goings on at the shrine a bit too much to fathom. I think the writer has used artistic license - especially in the story of the two boys.

Having said that, It is clear that gays are coming out and enjoying a more active social life in Pakistan.

i wish life didn't take me to doha jadeed as often as it does

"that gay Pakistan has to offer"...tats rude !

My favourite bit of the story was the two boys caught in a field, the parents couldn't get the police to drop the case so they wanted the report to state he was the 'active one'......

yeah that is what they do.. Blame it on the Jews..

It is nice to see that my country has come this far and has become so sexually liberated.. I have not been to Pakistan for over two years now but the last time I was there I did notice some men who seemed a bit queer.. In any case, I don't suppose I am ever going to visit Pakistan ever again as long as I live so won't be able to witness this dramatic change myself..

Many same sex couples have left Pakistan to live in a more LGTB friendly counties like the UK and Canada.

Doesn't surprise me at all. It's no different here in the GCC.

Well Thelonius they have a lot of stones there and lots of anger... (repressed homosexuality)

I'm waiting for the first Pakistani to come on and say it is all lies spread by Israel...

It may not have been published but it is a known fact for as many years as I started understanding this stuff. Doha Jadeed jokes revolve around the same on QL..:)

Seems somebody was typing the word G-A-Y in Google and found this , lol :)

But i didn't get the message RC, what we have to do?

I think this case is the same in the conservative countries, G-A-Y-S or any other group will find a place to do whatever they want.

Miss mimi, if it is opposssseedddd, then they are continuing the passage of denial and hiding it.

You should read the whole article, very interesting....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/23811826

Will be Oops in 5,4,3,2,....