Where is the Justice ?
I realise that the lady with the scales wears a blindfold, but this is sheer stupidity......
The killer of headmaster Philip Lawrence has been arrested for an alleged violent mugging months after he was freed from prison.
For those who don't know the story - Learco Chindamo, knifed and killed the teacher in 1995, when he tried to prevent him and his gang attacking another boy.
He was controversially released in July after serving 14 years of a life sentence for the murder.
Chindamo had claimed on his release he would spent the rest of his life "atoning" for his crime.
Mr Lawrence's widow Frances said last night that the news was "very, very distressing on many levels".
She said her family had been "hung out to dry" by the British justice system.
I agree with her....
To those who mock the Saudi justice system, I say - "Just look at the mockery of ours"
HA HA HA
Yuck..... Ewwwwww stop the soap dropping business will you.
Pilgram ... I can be that big man... and have all the fun ;)
Still better than Indian courts, we never get any decision.. right or wrong.. Cases go on forever :(
flor,
things that you know ;)
lol
flor,
U hit the nail
is toward their law. What about their (Saudis or other GCC countries') view on western's laws? It's good they are not that impulsive active in QL! Lol!
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britexpat,
In that case I apologize.
I just can’t understand how anyone from a democratic country would praise Saudi Arabia’s justice, thus my impulsive reaction.
If you want to spend the next 14 years trying not to get raped in the shower by a very big man then more power to you jackmohan.
These guys must be made to do hard work for 14 yrs... at least
not sit on their ass and get ration for 14... they would even enjoy it for lifetime... as if on pension... with tax benefits and complete medical security.... lol
Damn... I think I am going to kill someone... to get Life term... from there may be I can even do QLing without any hassles....lol
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That's due to lack of evidence and lying witnesses s_isale. Like it or not Canada can't punish someone without proper evidence.
where do you get justice? In Nic's own country. no way. the kanishka killers are living scot free in Canada.
Perhaps Nic. Perhaps he's just a bad seed and always will be. But it seems from the media (and I know the media exaggerates) that Britain's public service has been under quite a bit of strain for awhile now.
There is no disguised agenda. Perhaps I was wrong to use Saudi as an example.
If you read the complete posting, I agree with Timebandit on most of his comments. The only disagreement I have is that I believe that life should mean life or at least 40 years.
Pilgram,
Isn’t it a bit unfair to take such conclusion based on a case that went terribly wrong?! How about the so many unreported that went wonderfully right?
No system is perfect because they are "systems" and not personal assessments, case by case!
Hypocrite
Personally I think the fact that he recommitted a crime again so quickly is a sign Britain's post-prison support system is woefully inadequate. You can't release someone who's been in jail since he was 16 and expect him to know how to live and be an adult in society without help.
timebandit,
because i have little patience for disguised agendas.
Nic why are you making this personal?
It's the Union Flag not the Union Jack.
14 Years is a Short period for Such a crime .
But what was the real age for that killer when he made his crime .
most justice systems around the world today are all messed up. So ok, the decided to let him out early on parole, but based on what? were not the necessary psychological tests etc conducted before his release? The fact that he has re-offended so fast proves the man is still a threat to the society! Hope he will now be put behind bars and off the streets for a long time..like maybe forever! At least he's not a minor anymore and hence will get what he deserves, Inshallah!
I was under the impression that is was shut already... :-(
Colt & Tinker
Not yet, that was a political message, delivered by Mr. Obama.
and Yes, the reference link is of 2003, does it make it less harmful?
even that i love Qatar
Britexpat,
For a Muslim like you always promoting Saudi Arabia, I wonder why you call yourself Brit and even choose to display the union jack all the time.
Wouldn’t it be easier just to show us in a more direct and consist manner your real identity?!
Seriously, how can you compare UK with Saudi?!
If I'm not mistaken, Guantanamo Bay has been closed down by Barack ;-)
have a look here for a 16 years teen prisoner of Guantanamo bay
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/23/usa
Put him in Guantanamo bay, he'll have a company of same age prisoners.
The murders were premeditated and wiped out an entire family :-(
14 years in some countries :-(
That depends on the circumstances Colt. The murders usually have to be pretty horrific for a minor to be sentenced as an adult. And life in prison actually means 25 years in most countries.
Yes they are... I have seen it on TV where minors as young as 15 have been tried as adults for 1st degree murder and handed out life sentences without parole :-(
I just read another article on this and the guy was 16 when he committed the murder. Hence the lenient sentence.
Minors are never given the same sentences as adults.
so where are whingeing group and their tail enders from sub continents???
Brit I agree 14 years is very lenient, and someone has made a call that has backfired on them (the parole board). But I must still place my faith in professionals who are supposed to know better than me in such matters.
And I do understand your take on the situation, but for the moment I am standing by my beliefs.
I agree mostly with your sentiments.
However, I truly believe that in clear cut murder cases such as this - He should have got life without parole - which to me should be at least 40 years.
Talking about all of this brings to mind "The Shawshank Redemption"... wasn't that a great movie? :-)
but is there a periodic review of prisoner's behavior if they applies for pardon or parole? or the review itself is part of the system?
I don't like the fact that he winged and managed to stay in the UK. But I'm afraid I am one of those liberals who believe in second chances. Of course this is one of those occasions where everyone can point out to me how wrong I am, but it remains my belief. As for life for life, each case is different. Sometimes life should mean life, other times there may be a chance of bringing out the good in someone.
Of course I know there are exceptions where no second chance should be given. There are even cases where I think the death penalty should be returned to the UK. But for most, a second chance could be extended.
Oh one last thing.... my mind, and my liberalism could possibly be changed if one of my family was murdered, and their murder was let out early. Hopefully I will never be put in a position to find out.
If there is sufficient real (not circumstantial evidence) e.g. DNA + Witness + CCTV etc. to prove a violent crime was committed be it rape, murder then kill them in the same manner or by chopping the offending bits off, or something that would provide sufficient torture so they new they did wrong before dying, why burden tax payers if there can be absolutely no question of doubt. Where doubt may exist life should mean life in a dark hole with no comforts, then if new evidence comes to light they can appeal, but if they appeal and fail then kill ‘em.
For theft, fraud and other serious non violent crimes life should mean life, but they should have to do some manual work in order to pay their way in prison and reimburse those they stole from or the insurance company, if they won't work (whatever it may be) they starve.
jack, what is the assurance that they maintain that "good behaviour" when they get out? :P
They get out earlier than 14yrs for "good behavior"... sometimes 6yrs early ...lol
It always depends on the situation, that's why we have judges and juries rather than just handing out sentences. How old was he when he killed the judge? If he was 18, then perhaps 14 years would have been enough if he'd received the proper rehabilitation in prison. For every case like this, there are more that finish their sentences and never commit a crime again. It's all about perspective.
In India I think 14 yrs is a burden to the authorities and tax payers. It should be life for a life if proven guilty of willful and premeditated murder.
I know, an eye for an eye will make the who world blind, but who needs people like that when we're already over-populated :-(
No I dont think 14 yrs is enough for killing someone...
I thought he completed the term...How many yrs is life sentence there?
Do you believe or agree that "Life" should be only 14 years ?
By the way, he was released on parole ....
After 14 years they can kill again. Its pity that the boy whom this noble headmaster died saving has also turned into a criminal.
I agree with UKEng....
Even in India Life sentence is for 14 yrs and after that they will be freed and can live as they please...
why should a killer be given a second chance? Unless the killing was in self defense.
He will always be a menace to a society.
Ah... posts crossed Brit... PC Brigade now wish to remain silent.
I believe most (yes I did say MOST) people should be given a second chance. But never a third. Now he has shown that he is beyond saving I have no problem with him being returned to jail until he is deemed safe to return to society (no mater how long that takes).
Two things..
For a start , Life should mean life.
Also, Chindamo, who lived in Italy as a child, was allowed to stay in Britain after he successfully argued that to deport him would infringe his human rights. I wonder what the PC brigade have to say now ...
He has done his time for the crime. Once a criminal mostly likely always a criminal.
He will have to face new criminal charges for his latest crime.
BritExpat this is the law of the country we all have to abide by. I am in certain cases all for capital punishment. But if the British justice system only give 14 years for murder then this murderer has done his time and is back into the society.