Milk from Diary Farm - Dangerous?

Milk is indeed the perfect diet for humans. Which is why 0 out of 100 nutritionists recommend giving cows milk to infants.

1. milk is 'the perfect' diet (contains almost all needed ingredients) for humans, I know it, believe it, period

2. Raw milk is really tasty, sweetish, no cow dung smell as such, surrounding dung may have its effect though. BUT a lot depends on WHAT a Cow has been FED,

britexpat last time Rizks went for Wakrah Milkathon... the opposition tried to cheat... they blindfolded him and gave him an oxen... he still won... lol

“What shall we do”

Cherrukan... here we cannot do much.. but how many acres of land you have back home? You surely can put a Gir cow that will make do with the grass available from the field. Your family back home will be healthy and you can not only rediscover the art to make butter and ghee at home but make sure the kids have as much ice cream from it as well. I am sure your grandparents used Ghee liberally. Actually we will become more healthy if we discard “refined sunflower oil” “refined corn oil” “refined groundnut oil” etc and cook all food in home made Ghee as today it will be difficult to find PURE coconut oil or PURE groundnut oil.

My next “research” will be on the bad effects of “refined” oil.

I am not sure about the dung taste... that Frenchies claim about... but I have heard about people who have consumed fresh milk without boiling... especially the people who come to milk the cow... and they never had any problem with either the taste or the smell... in fact I have even seen it milked in front of me and never encountered any bad odour as such...

“Milk is not good for humans, period. It’s meant for baby cows, People are not supposed to drink it.”

Baby cows don’t drink full. If a cow is unmilked and is producing a lot of milk then the pressure would be exceedingly uncomfortable and infection could occur. This is true for women also who suddenly have to stop breastfeeding.

All the topic relating to people being allergic to cows milk is due to the A1 type of milk which is not healthy at all. In fact it is truly unhealthy and not fit for human consumption.

LP... at least till 5,000 ago Indians thrived on milk and its by product.. Ghee... all Indian ayurvedic medicines are based on ghee. And I don’t think these morden day guys were around there to check that out.

Best Almond milk ... ground almond into thin paste add to milk... add sugar to taste... awesome

“Are you saying milk can cause these disorders?” – not by ALL milk, but by A1 type of milk. A2 is excellent milk and is even medicinal; there are scientific evidence for it. A Zebu cow can not only withstand Arsenic (a potent poison) but the arsenic doesn’t pass into its blood stream, nor to its milk... meaning the milk is pure and has low fat content.

Soy milk is completely different. Soyabean is vegetable. As Nomerci rightly says, there are claims that Soyabean available today is genetically modified... anyway that’s a completely different subject.

Oval tin or complan as are all milk supplements fooling people... see here:

Lactose intolerance... is a symptom consumption of milk from Jersey cow or similar breed... and should not happen with the Zebu breed. Gir have a set of nerves in the hump, getting energy from the sun... that is what sets them apart. Their milk is slightly yellow in colour too. They are also very strong yet social. Some bulls have been known to kill lions that have tried to attack the herd. Gir the place of this cow’s breed is also the abode of the Asiatic Lions.

Yogurt and cheese, milk shake, Ice cream all use A1 milk so they are equally unhealthy. But they would have been so much healthier if it had been made from A2 type of milk.

“scholars didn’t have milk in their child hood” Which scholars?

“That zebu cow does not even look like a cow!” – that is exactly my point. Both these breed look entirely different. Their properties are also entirely different. An European will say that Zebu is not a COW.... Indians also say the same... Jersey cow is not a COW.

“There has been way so much controversy about MILK for a very long time and the truth no one can assert if it is good or bad for you”.

The discussion ends when one is aware about the two breeds and the vastly different quality of MILK & MEAT of both these breed. Jersey’s Meat is good & Zebu’s Milk is good Period.

“I heard that you can go to a camel farm in Qatar and drink fresh camel milk straight from the udder..”...

there are people on QL who attempted to milk a camel unsuccessfully at Darude’s farm outing ... lol

There are farms breeding cow in Qatar. Some years back, Oman made an unusual request to India. The oil-rich Middle East country was looking for four purebred animals of the cattle breed – “Tharparkar” — found only in the dry and arid regions of Rajasthan. Tharparkar derives its name from its unique genetic ability that enables the animal to walk across the massive desert of Thar in Rajasthan, India. It took India several years to procure four genetically pure Tharparkar bulls. Thar-par-kar means the one who can cross the Thar Desert (possible on limited feed).

Milk is also know to be a good cleansing agent. The best way to bath is to bath in milk. It is also environment friendly. Kings and Queens used to bath in it.

I suggest that we need a QL Milkathon..

We should arrange a trip to a farm and then prove if one or the udder is right.

Frenchies, I grew up in a village, next to a farm...trust me, I'

ve had that kind of milk. And non merci from me....

No merci.

I like the dungy taste of milk because it's the taste of rawness. It shows that the milk is fresh and has not been processed in anyway.

All raw milk has that strong dungy taste and milk that doesn't (supermarket milk) is highly questionable.

You people do not seem to have ever drunk fresh raw milk in your life as even we Muslims are told in the Quran (16:66):

"And indeed for you in grazing livestock is a lesson. We give you drink from what is in their bellies - between EXCRETION and blood - pure milk, PALATABLE to drinkers."

This is where real milk comes from. You people are so used to the fake ulra-pasteurized zero-nutrients supermarket milk that you've lost all notions of what fresh raw milk is and has always been like.

That is fine, high regards to you , my sister.

Molten, I have it in my garden :)

sorry, I did not mean to hurt you...my humour is a bit "deft" at times...

call it 'chui mui' plant in local parlance in my rigion ..

I request you to find a plant called Mimosa Pudica [ We had it at my home in India few years back ] and try to just touch its leaves very softly and see their behaviour..

Human emotions are much more sensitive than that ..

Molten...hurt? How so????

She said she likes the taste of dung....her words, not mine! And dung is sh i t...as simple as that.

Even I got hurt by your comment to Frenchies ..

Nope, no soda for me...don't do aspartame as well as shi...errmmm, dung. Oh, and when it comes to milk, let us not forget puss, blood and piss...it's all in there too. YUMMm...NOT. lol

Cow milk.

Romulus and Remus drank milk straight off a she-wolf udder.

They became legend...

"If you never have problems drinking milk, go for it ... It can't be as unhealthy as soda"

I couldn't agree more with you. I bet many of those who are coming down hard on milk binge on carcinogenic soda.

Frenchies,

what kind of milk you like most?

I heard that you can go to a camel farm in qatar and drink fresh camel milk straight from the udder..

Its supposed to be good for you..

Come on, Brit! Don't be so squeamish.

There was a time when mineral-rich dung fertilized the soil that grew our food which basically means that there was a time when dung was in our food.

Now dung's been replaced by chemical fertilizers but I still have not forgotten the dung taste...

Joke aside, I know how something tastes like from its smell and if the word taste bothers you this much then replace it by smaste or smelly taste.

That zebu cow does not even look like a cow!

There has been way so much controversy about milk for a very long time and the truth no one can assert if it is good or bad for you. Some people have no problem drinking milk and others do.

Milk has protein/Carbs/Fat + other minerals etc..

The protein of milk is a mix of 2 protein (casein & whey)

Now as we age, our body stops needing casein and even if you are young and you do not drink milk for a while, the body also starts to get used to not needing it. When this happens, the body reacts in a weird way when you suddenly consume milk because it thinks it is something harmful to you. So it tries to attack those protein molecules which is why you feel like crap when you have milk after a long while of not having it...(this protein issue has to do with your immune system attacking casein or whey or both)

The other problem is with milk is the simple carb (Lactose), now that bad boy can cause very frequent and unpleasant toilet visits if you are lactose intolerant ( meaning your body does not produce the enzyme lactase that is supposed to break down that car in your small intestines).. therefore, the molecules move into the large intestines causing your lovely bacteria to feed on them and this is what makes you poop like a shameless soldier...

If you never have problems drinking milk, go for it ... It can't be as unhealthy as soda or coffee!

I still don't understand how one knows what dung tastes like ...

Apnu jo xahm dye he

dil pe jo xulm kye he

bula nae sakte hm kabe ose

osne hmpe barre setam kye he...

...hä$îß...

Frenchies...moi? Pc ? Non merci ;)

I heard that milk gives a kind of laziness in body enzymes and no wonder a majority of leading scholars of India comes from a poor background where they were not able to have milk in their childhood....

But I stopped giving milk to my kids in India and here too because I know they give steroid injections to animals and that is why Hyper kids are common now days....

NO MERCI!?

WHERE'S YOUR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS???

Sure it was female goats teat and not something else?

Well Frenchies, some people savour the taste of s h i t, others don't.

(sorry people, could not resist :P )

Fathimah, have not soaked the almonds, but will do that and see what the difference is!

My sister's just back from a school ski trip in Switzerland.

They went to a farm where students took turns in grabbing a goat's teat and squeezing it while aiming the milk straight in their mouths.

She confirmed the dung-taste to me.

I wish I was in her place!

Now that's milk...

Hellooooo???

My extended family and I can digest RAW milk straight out of a cow's udder with no problem whatsoever.

Stop stating your views as facts, my friend.

While some people might be allergic to raw milk and its derivatives, not everyone is, so stop generalising!

I have never understood why flavoured milk is so cheap. Farmers must feed their cows a fortune in chocolate and strawberries.

Oh yeah..I am quite unique! Seriously though, from infant-hood I've had a lot of problems with many milk products, that I just tend to avoid them. Besides the taste of plain milk has never been my cuppa!

Somehow I find it far more tolerable for my system than other milk products.

BDW I am really interested in trying my hand at homemade almond milk. And your recipe is really easy. And you don't soak them overnight, do you?

I've heard a lot about the benefits of rice milk but don't recall seeing it available around here.

Fathimah, yoghurt is fine, as it is easily digestible due to the process of making it and the live bacteria in it, which, in fact is very good for our digestive system.

I do love yogurt and cheese, and enjoy an occasional milk shake, but not milk as it is.

In India Mughals and Rajasthani Kings used to drink almond milk. Soaked overnight in rosé water and in the morning a paste with kesar used to boil with water for several hours with Shakkar in it.... Cow or buffalo milk was for the lower public.

I heard that a legendary Australian cricketer is running a campaign to become egetarian and he is also against milk consumption if it is animal generated.

I don't give milk to my kids since their birth and by the grace of God they are pretty healthy.I give them Oval tin or complan in warm warm water. Milk is used only for tea purposes in our house.

My requirement is about 500 ML daily ..

One enthusiast [ farmer ] opened a milk dispenser in the SAME way as we see Petrol Pumps or Gas Filling Stations here . He sells in retail as well !

I would like to shop from him if got a chance ever in my life.

ah ok fubar.:)

Religious turn...?

Can't wait for the river of milk that never goes off that we Muslims have been promised in Paradise.

I was directing the question to the original poster.

Seems like everything these days causes kids to get autism... strange, where are all the kids who were born with autism from a generation ago? No one wants to blame excessive TV watching and sedentary lifestyles for any negative health outcomes but we're quick to blame milk, and measles inoculations.

As for the idea that cows milk is best when fed to baby cows - completely agree.

Perhaps, and here's a revolutionary idea, kids (and adults) could go back to just drinking water, instead of all this nonsense with soy milk and cow's milk and diet sodas.

now, when is this post gonna turn religious?? all the good threads are being highjacked by fanatics

Fubar,don't know about vaccinations, as I am all pro vaccinating. Am not sure about the diseases either, may be possible though. Still, my main reason is that milk is meant for baby cows, not humans. Digesting it is very cumbersome for our system.

Plus, the way cows are treated and miled now is far from ok.....I've been told that many cows have infections on the udders due to milking, and all that goes into the milk, which is one reason why it needs to be "killed" pasteurized...so, vile stuff, IMHO.

Are you saying milk can cause these disorders?

Autism,

• Diabetes

• Sudden death Syndrome in infants

• Ulcerative colitis,

• Cardiac problems

• Multiple sclerosis,

• Mental disorders

• Parkinson & Schizophrenia.

So does that mean that vaccinations aren't the cause?

Brit, most welcome:)

I always thought the cows milk here was just made up from milk powder; one cup of powder for two litres of full-fat, and half a cup for skim, sold at the same price. I drink soy anyway, so no dung tasting milk for me...that is unless a rogue cow has been wandering through the soy beans.

There are not enough cows in Qatar to supply almost two-million people with fresh milk. I have driven all around the place and the only cow that I have seen was some random, poor excuse for a cow at QAWS. Nor have I ever seen a milk tanker on the roads.

TFS.. will try it..

Nonsense! It is perfectly digestable. Me and my entire family are a living proof it is.

By the way, I used to drink a giant glass of raw milk daily.

Thank god, we are healthy.

Brit, it is quite expensive to buy here in Qatar, plus, some have soy in it. You DO NOT want soy, as it is, in most cases, gene manipulated. Nasty stuff!

Tell Mrs. Britexpat to buy almonds with the skin on, to put them in a blender with water, and to blend on "high" for a few minutes, then strain it through a cloth or sieve. It keeps for about 4 days in the fridge.

If you do not mind a little crunch, skip the straining

:)

She can also put a little vanilla beans in it, tastes very nice!

Never knew that - will try it.

Brit, use almond milk, it's better for you and tastes better too!

I know Theo. The stuff is vile!

They didn't have Alpen and Muesli in those days..

Milk is not good for humans, period.

It;s meant for baby cows, and only for a little while.

People are not supposed to drink it.

All fresh raw milk tastes dung-like.

You poor people have never tasted any...

A while ago, I used to drink fresh milk straight [after having been milked] from the cow's udders that tasted just like cow dung.

I used to let it simmer very lightly, not ULTRA PASTEURIZE it like supermarket milk, and drink it along with the cream and I absolutely loved it!

I never got sick by the grace of Allah.

The reason i don't do that anymore is that fresh raw milk is not available in Qatar.

All we have here is, excuse me for saying that, DISGUSTING white sewage water milk, ultra pasteurised until all the good bacteria are destroyed along with the bad ones and compensated for with synthetic vitamins.

So repugnant that I almost cancelled milk from my diet.

Now in the US, the police harrasses farmers selling freshmilk and even outlawed it in several states.

Makes you wonder...

Boy. What with snails, frogs legs and now dung tasting milk, the French are indeed strange :O(

It tastes pretty much like it smells, I guess.

straight from the cow's udders means "straight after having been milked from the cow's udders".

No, not straight from it! I am not a sicko!

How the hell do you know what cow dung tastes like :O(

You have to have tasted fresh creamy dung-tasting cow milk to realise how disgusting supermarket milk is.

How do I know milk is real? Well, it tastes like cow dung and yes, I miss the taste...

"A while ago, I used to drink fresh milk straight from the cow's udders that tasted just like cow dung."

Why would you do that ?

As a connoisseur of Al Marai full fat milk, i take great umbrage at this slander..

"DISGUSTING white sewage water milk"

..hhmmmm

thats tooo much

frenchies, didn the cow ever kick u for doin that??

okay!! a friend of mine is coming from India and he has been asking me wat shud i bring 4 u??

Thanx blist,, am gonna ask him for a humped cow :)

perhaps u can do some research on GM-food too !!

(i doubt the food grains we use is not organic, and unhealthy)

gr8 work, blistering :)

we cant get good fruits (shining outside-rotten inside)

cant get good milk even.... :(

perhaps paying too much price for few riyal?

aha! :)

OK so therefore i'll go back to my GF milk. :)

What shall we do? There are no A2 Milk producing cows in the region. Camel milk is very good.

so does the camel give A3 milk?? its got 2 humps

All diary farms produce A1 milk... after all the difference is 10 times the profit.

is the milk from almarai a humped 1??

Will depend upon the Captian's mood...lol

will indian cows get RP and family visa in Qatar??