Kashmir is a nuclear flash point

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Thank you MM,

Thank mm,

Guys Smile please.

I have listen news and experts talking about this issues last couple of days. Most of the time the experts from both corners points in this fashion,

Side A :

Says, The side B killed 5 People

Side B :

Say’s, The side A blast 10 Bombs

Side A :

Says, The side B destroyed the Houses

Side B :

Says, The side A destroyed the roads

It, continues…

How the expert should talk,

Side A:

We have constructed 100 Houses

Side B :

We have redeveloped many roads within the village

Side A:

To what extend are you going to tolerate to provide jobs for the jobless youth in the village C

Side B :

We will provide 1,000 jobs, How many of the Village D people can be accommodate in your territory

This is how the communication should be. What is happening is different. Going back near to a garbage bin and pulling the waste of both sides.

The result will be bad smell to smell by the entire globe. That’s why I say, even on a small communication in this type, show characters. Give up. Forgive. Be brothers and sisters. Use the knowledge of both sides to win the world. Don’t try to defeat each other. If there is a quarrel defeating each other, That means someone make a very strong fundamental seed in the blood to fulfill their earning an desire.

Note : When prophet Moahmed Sallahu Alahiwasalalm said, to His companion that any of the property or belonging which you love most, and if you give it on to the poor, you will get rewarded.

Immediately one companion gave up his most loved and well worthy property to the poorer.

This is what required. Practice what is preached. The creator know’ s how to protect what He created. Our duty is to practice. Practice from our house. Let’s make good thoughts to our children. Let us make our house first.

No individual life can be found completely good in the past. So our days are present and future. Let’s take this present and future on best of spirits.

(Our countries were ruled years back, due to lack of efficiency and knowledge by our forefathers/rulers. Now if we the present generation have knowledge, use it in the best of spirits. Accept to gain knowledge from people who has knowledge. And win the world along with them & show them the correct path as well. Show spirit. Making rival’s every corner for nothing will not make us great even if we are great)

Now: Let’s take this communication to see how much as an individual we can tolerate in good way. I like to see someone say, yes me from country A willing to tolerate and give up this much. (No need to talk past). Country B, Yes I will give up this much for the betterment of both parties.

Shall we propose in this fashion and go further? Or talk again about who is right and who is wrong to benefit the politician and the money maker.

Dear zainmzubair,

"sudden generation wipe out" is not a practical solution.

What is required first of all both countries should stop their propaganda machinery which is brainwashing its citizens from facts.

Army should be under control of elected representative of people, who when sign any agreement should honour rather than start its own militarily adventures.

India

Budget FY 2016: US$51.3 billion (ranked 6th) (excl. Paramilitary and CAPF)

Percent of GDP FY 2016: 2%

Pakistan

Budget $7.6 billion (2015–16) (ranked 25th)

Percent of GDP 3.5% (2015)

Both the army should be accountable for the budget it gets.

Pakistan's economical parameters are in negative but GDP v/s armed forces expenditure is high and increasing but till did't won any intelligible and clear-cut victory.

India should forget about "akhand bharat" & Pakistan should forget about "takmeel pakistan"

India should not try to make Afghanistan border till Durand Line & get independence for Baluchistan.

Pakistan should not try to get independence for Kashmir & Khalistan(Indian Punjab).

What Britishers did to Indian subcontinent can't reversed. What happened so happened.

Pakistan with its economical situation and loosing of key allies, the best solution is getting along with India.

This kind of logic is indeed binary. However, humans don't think digitally in One's and Zero's. The chemistry obstructs the simple binary logic.

Dear acchabaccha & Logic0and1,

Please don't take such interesting topic to personal level.

By the way

Logic Levels 0 and 1

In binary logic the two levels are logical high and logical low, which generally correspond to a binary 1 and 0 respectively.

Guys,

We need a sudden generation wipe out from both countries and allow a youth leadership to throng. We are playing in their hands for decades now. The status-quo must be broken, so we can start up fresh.

True, very true Mufti. The world powers get benefited by keeping the two sides warring. Keeping countries in turmoil and fighting each other, helps to lubricate their war industries.

Kashmir will be peaceful if there is a friendship between India & Pakistan. Unfortunately my homeland has become a battle ground for both the countries. The ultimate sufferers are Kashmiris.

Logic0and1: Your name in your post says it all. Your logic is really 0. And that is not all, Even your grandfather advised people not to argue with birds! Who would ever do that unless he had the brain of a bird? Ha! Ha!

Secondly, your comment that people are arguing because they have unlimited access to the internet, reflects that your are young man who has not seen much of life. I write based on my thinking, experiences, and from what I have seen in life. I saw how the world politics and not just how India alone, worked together hand-in-hand to breakup Pakistan. I can present to you questions with regards to the breakup of this country whose answers you will not find over the internet. As for your arsenals of defensive weapons which you have stated that you have stored in your backyard, Pakistan knows how to get past them or neutralize their effectiveness. Pakistan is not paying a price for what it has sown. It is facing the politics of some nations which are working overtime to remove this country from the world map.

God forbid a clash between India and Pakistan takes place which I firmly believe would be devastating for both nations, your S-300, S-400, AAD and PAD would all look very SAD.

Dear Expert panel and the QL members,

I personally believe and it’s my very own personal view that we should not talk about the good or bad of politicians over this issue here.

Why?

Just imagine all the subcontinent politician leave office with huge amount of wealth. They step in nothing, but go with huge rewards. How can a politician earn such amount of money when the wage is so small.

Please specify a politician who travel through bus and live in a rental house. Or else living a very normal life. We will not find. Based on this, how we educated people talk the good and bad the politician did.

My point is, me as a person who travel extensively more than 100 KM to 150 KM a day in this hot sun 45 to 50 degrees, and earn my wage, Where as another politician or business magnet who sit’s and making propaganda against the religion to earn money, What is the difference in this.

I am announcing to my kind of people who keeps the legs on the ground and live. Please don’t mix humanity with politics. Solve the issue with Humanity. Except for few politician, most of them did many thing to fulfill their desire, not people desire. So why we should praise people who does not worthy.

Let’s talk to ourselves and start from our house to talk on public forum on humanitarian grounds. Not on political grounds.

(I am out again, may be See you later in the day or tomorrow)

Mary-vani you are trying to have a meaningful dialogue with folk who have unrestricted access to INTERNET. They just don't want to accept recorded history. My grandfather once told me, birds of the same feather flock together and a wise man/woman should never argue with birds. You reap what you sow. Pakistan is reaping what it has sown. No one escapes the logic of Karma. This is just a Hypothetical Scenario. When Pakistan launches its nuclear weapons on India. Most of them will be intercepted by the Russian S-300 and shortly S-400 system. The few which get through will be intercepted by the Indian made AAD and PAD interceptors and newly developed Indian-Israeli surface-to-air missile or LR-SAM. India's response cannot be predicted.

Dear Equin0x,

If "the fighting spirit of Pak Army is unbelievable and un-matching in the entire world" then why did

They did not captured complete Kashmir when they had first mover advantage of entering into Kashmir which was ruled by Maharaja Hari Singh who had weaker army compared to Pakistan?

They had first mover advantage of entering into Kashmir under Operation Gibraltar, why there not able to capture any land?

Why they were not able to save East Pakistan becoming independent of it.

India captured all of the Siachen Glacier but why was Pakistan was not able to dislodge them even after trying three times?

They had first mover advantage of entering into Indian territory of Kargil but why did they retreat?

Mohamed,

The contents presented here were useful and very informative, but Mr. Mary Vani, forced the discussion to tilt and land in the biased mode, despite many attempts to prevent its wavering direction.

Yes, you are right the purpose of contents should be meaningful and EGOLESS, so that the countries under discussion, get to know the grass root level sentiments directly from the horse mouth.

However we would be miser if we do not appreciate the valuable inputs of particularly Mr. Mary, Mufti, AB, MM, Mohamed, Brit, Zain and WT etc.

Thank you all.

Ladies & Gentlemen,

Knowledge is not to win a situation. End of the day the humanity should win. It’s not time to check who is right and who is wrong. It’s time to solve the issue directly.

I respect the amount of knowledge this forum got. However if we are not proposing a solution, then why should one need so much education. Are we educated only to defend our points and win a session in this fashion.

In my opinion, it’s time to think points relevant to give and take policy. I don’t see any one winning or losing on this. The humanity should win. The people in the affected areas should win. What is the solution for that? What kind of harmony people should develop in those areas including ourselves?

Mary Vani,

Your comments and opinions seem bias and tilted against Pakistan, which is contrary to the historical and ground facts. United India was ruled by Mughals till 1857 and then by the Britishers. Before that India was not a country rather thousands of local Rajas had their small kingdoms. That was not India.

And further head back to Harrapan/Mohenjodaro history that only founded the Ganga and Jamuna society. So, Indus valley people are the real owners of sub continents if you take the ownership case to the root of history. But it is a modern day and Pakistan is now a formidable nuclear power. It would never never and never budge down by India. The fighting spirit of Pak Army is unbelievable and un-matching in the entire world.

And do not forget the prediction of prophet of Islam, who said that before the world's final dooms day, there WILL happen a "War on Hind".

Dear zainmzubair,

In this forum Mufti Shahid is Kashmiri, read his opinion and there many Bengalis in Qatar, please meet them in person.

Dear Equin0x,

Don't forget East Pakistan fiasco and make it dead issue because with four consulates and an embassy working in Afghanistan and India's development of Chaubahar port in Iran pointing only to one thing East Pakistan part II.

India is trying to help land locked Afghanistan with sea port reclaim its land till "The Durand Line". As per the treaty between British Empire & Abdur Rahman Khan, the Afghan Amir, as on 12 November 1993, Pakistan should hand over the area on east side to of The Durand Line to Afghanistan which Pakistan did not did till now.

As Pakistan had started Army Operation Searchlight, same wise they started Operation Zarb-e-Azb on the west side of The Durand Line.

Looks like East Pakistan part II can happen in coming years.

Dear Equin0x,

Referendum UN Security Council passed Resolution 47 on 21 April 1948, stating that Pakistan should withdrawal from Kashmir & India to reduce its forces to minimum strength, after which the circumstances for holding a plebiscite. Nether Pakistan pulled its forces neither India reduced its troops.

Dear Equin0x,

Referendum UN Security Council passed Resolution 47 on 21 April 1948, stating that Pakistan should withdrawal from Kashmir & India to reduce its forces to minimum strength, after which the circumstances for holding a plebiscite. Nether Pakistan pulled its forces neither India reduced its troops.

No, brit. He was great!!

As an outsider, this is a good post.

It highlights the simple issues faced today - that both sides believe themselves to be correct and both sets of supporters cannot concede an inch.

History is subjective and facts are oftenwise shaped to suit the needs.

For example.. Genghis Khan to the Eastern perspective is a hero and military leader.. To western eyes he is mainly regarded as a cruel warlord and murderer

Apologies for the typos!

Mary Vani - Your information is regarding Kashmir Conflict and Bangladesh is loosely based on Wikipedia and some articles. You need to meet real people and take their views, which will enlighten you further.

As for the Pakistani Part, whatever your theory I am just curious to see when Indian side can demonstrate that flexibility instead of massacring them.

India must change their strategy to deal with situations like these. There a many uprising taking place in India and they must review their strategy of suppression. Must act diplomatically rather than using the barrel of the gun.

Mary Vani - Your information is regarding Kashmir Conflict and Bangladesh is loosely based on Wikipedia and some articles. You need to meet real people and take their views, which will enlighten you further.

As for the Pakistani Part, whatever your theory I am just curious to see when Indian side can demonstrate that flexibility instead of massacring them.

India must change their strategy to deal with situations like these. There a many uprising taking place in India and they must review their strategy of suppression. Must act diplomatically rather than using the barrel of the gun.

mohamed800: The world does not run on philosophies but on realities.

Exactly ............

Thank you for the thoughtful communication and fact full writing. I hope over a period of time, most of the people In that region would able to write and propose their facts in a peaceful manner like in this forum.

During this communication we all understand education is required to think transparently. So I hope one of the major point’s to concentrate in this region is characterized education system.

Over a period of time people will understand the benefiter for the fight of religion would be the politician or a power hunger. To eradicate this tool of grabbing power & expanding business through the religious disparity need to be successfully taken in to the mind of public.

This can be done only through a proper education system which develop good mentality from the child hood. This can take time.

Going Good ...............

Mary,

Everyone is reading your version of the events of B. desh. While many may not agree to this version, yet there is no harm in noting that Pakistan was ruled by military dictators for most of its history, who had total military mind, that only talked about guns and none. Let us postpone the B. desh issue for taking up some times later in a separate and exclusive post, and talk more about the Kashmir, which is suffering on piles of dead innocent Kashmiris.

Let them go for a referendum. If Ranjeet Singh Raja was there today, he could have agreed for such a referendum after seeing so much of resentment and sufferings.

Dear acchabaccha,

For centuries, every country wanted to eliminate its enemy by one way or other. Most of your points are correct on the part that West & East Pakistan would have become nightmare for India, so India had to break Pakistan but as all countries which are in this situation have counter-action plan, with different Ministry Of Interior department to foresee and curtail plans of enemy country, but dominion of Pakistan had none. It simply played in the hand of India by not giving power to East Pakistan leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman who had won land slide victory and top it had declared that "Urdu, and only Urdu" would be the federal language of Pakistan. The Bengali-speaking people of United Pakistan constituted over 50% of the country's population wherein even toady West Pakistan has only 7.59% Urdu native speakers.

Although East Pakistan had a larger population, West Pakistan dominated the divided country politically and received more money from the common budget.

Bengalis were under-represented in the Pakistan military. Officers of Bengali origin in the different wings of the armed forces made up just 5% of overall force by 1965, of these, only a few were in command positions and you should not forget the response to the 1970 cyclone by the people of power sitting in west Pakistan.

The initial resistance to Operation Searchlight (March 26, 1971) launched by West Pakistan on East Pakistan was given Bengali nationalist only. India openly came in picture May 25, 1971 therefore what started at civil war escalated into international war. Always your enemy try to take advantage of your weakness, it up-to you how you cover your weakness.

It is high time that West Pakistan stop the blame game and do introspection of loosing to East Pakistan.

The majority and deep Kashmiri sentiment is that, what may come in their way, they would not remain under the rule of India. That is why the people despite living in the largest democracy are reeling and suffering from a long time.

Kashmir's largest glaciers of fresh water to be shared with the definite consent of Kashmiri people, that may perhaps change the economic face of "Kashmir Janat Nazeer".

Why Kashmir's most wonderful natural monument of "Dall lake" is heading towards disaster?

"Both countries propaganda machinery works over time to brainwash its citizens from facts."

The above sums up the reality. Each side's supporters belive their version of the truth..

Those who lose out are the ordinary kashmiris

Dear Equin0x,

Both countries propaganda machinery works over time to brainwash its citizens from facts.

Being educated person it our duty to read between the lines.

Education and economy wise IoK is better than PoK.

Yes you are correct to an extend that things are bit peaceful in PoK compared to IoK because as Pakistan is concentrating its resource in PoK for them to get "Azadi" and India is concentrating its resource in Baluchistan & Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The day India starts to concentrating its resource in PoK then the state of both Kashmir will be same.

And more over, as I said earlier, the area which was captured Pakistan from Maharaja Hari Singh, Pakistan was dived it into Gilgit-Baltistan (72,496 square kilometers) and Shaksgam tract, was provisionally ceded to China in 1963 therefor only 13,297 km2 remains as of so called "Azad Kashmir" the narrow, 400 km long, with a width varying from 16 to 64 km.

Wherein India has given the IoK separate flag and through Article 370 of the Indian constitution, grants special autonomous status to the state of Jammu and Kashmir through which they have allowed to have its own Constitution.

Mufti and AB, let us not argue on the B.desh for now. That is a dead history.

Kashmir is burning, and Embassies of both the countries tend to gather media input for reporting to their seniors back home.

Whatever the reasons, the simple thing is that Bangalis were never trusted. Even their mother tongue was never allowed to flourish. Whole Bangladesh protested after Mujib was detained. It was very foolish of Butto not to compromise.

Regarding atrocities I standby what I wrote earlier. There is mass evidence available about massacare of Bangalis.

Yes , urdu speaking biharis were persecuted because of their support to Pakistani army and opposing Bangladesh freedom struggle. It is sad that they are living as 2nd class citizen inBangladesh. They thought that they would be relocated to Pakistan but they were stabbed in the back. Nothing of that sort happened. Parvez Musharaf tried but he had to face stiff opposition within his own country.

Mufti: Your two question are good ones and I am happy you asked.

There were several reasons why Mujib was not handed over power. First of all, the country was being ruled by a general with little foresight and zero knowledge of world politics. Secondly, with Mujib winning a landslide majority with the backing of a neighbouring country, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and his party would have been forced into the opposition. A very clever politician, Bhutto did not want that to happen. It is fact that he is said to have stated "Mujib tum udhar, hum idhar" which reflected what was up in his mind.

As for the Pakistan army being accused of killing "millions" and raping "thousands" you may be knowing that it is the victor who always writes the history and the vanquished is always the villain. If the Nazis would have won World War II, by now everyone would have believed them to have saved the world from a treacherous attack from inferior people jealous of the Aryans. There would have been no talk of the Holocaust.

The Pakistan army is a disciplined force and for it to go on a killing and raping spree is nothing but conjecture. By the way what were the rag-tag force of Mukti Bahini with very little training and guns in hand doing after the fall of Dacca or even during their fight for freedom? Did this force comprise of just "holy" people? Nobody talks about them murdering and raping the unarmed Biharis..

Even our side has a Chief Minister, cabinet, separate constitution, separate flag, assembly and annual budget. Btw AJK has a puppet govt. Gilgit- Baltistan was separated from it and has become China's extended territory.

Pakistan side Kashmir is very well independent with PM, Cabinet, a parliament and annual budget.

Yes, both the sides of Kashmir needs to be demilitarised. Certain degree of independence ie full fledged internal autonomy be granted to both sides with out changing the existing borders. That would be the best solution.

Let us keep our focus on Kashmir only. Kashmir can become the Switzerland of Asia, if the Indian army is withdrawn and locals are allowed to take care of their affairs with certain amount of independence.

This unattended flash point is not in the interest of Kashmir, India, Pakistan and the entire world, due to its massive impact.

Why wasnt Mujib led Awami League allowed to form govt. That led to the division. Btw how can one forget the massacare of Bangalis by Pakistani Army. Bangladesh govt says more than 2 million people were killed and thousands raped.

Mary-vani: While you have given a list of figures, some of the things you have stated is not correct. First of all, there was no civil war taking place between West Pakistan and East Pakistan in 1971. The entire problem in East Pakistan was fomented by India alone with a total view of breaking up Pakistan. India had trained and armed the "Mukti Bahinis" (freedom fighters) to infiltrate and create civil unrest in East Pakistan. There were some other hidden reasons behind the breakup of this country. A united Pakistan would have emerged as a strong power on the world map which was neither accepted by India or some other countries. Secondly, from the military point of view, India did not want to fight Pakistan on two fronts in case of another war between the two countries. The breakup of Pakistan would allow India to keep its armed forces lined up in its western borders with Pakistan. Furthermore, India was just not contented after it split Pakistan in 1971. It had plans to split the remaining Pakistan and it is said it was moving it forces to the borders of West Pakistan after the fall of Dacca. It planned to overrun the remaining of Pakistan possibly with the intention of wiping out this country from the map of the world as Pakistan has always been a thorn in India's eyes since it came into existence. True, Pakistan was in dire straits during that period in its history with no political leadership present (the generals were ruling), a demoralized nation and an armed forces in shambles. India could not achieve its dreams thanks to the intervention of President Nixon. The developing scenario could have led to a confrontation between two major world powers and Russian was forced to ask India to stop. Lastly, East Pakistan was not "liberated" as you state in your comment. It was "occupied" by an invading army from the western side of its borders. This was recently acknowledged by none other than the Indian PM Mr Modi.

Mary-vani: While you have given a list of figures, some of the things you have stated is not correct. First of all, there was no civil war taking place between West Pakistan and East Pakistan in 1971. The entire problem in East Pakistan was fomented by India alone with a total view of breaking up Pakistan. India had trained and armed the "Mukti Bahinis" (freedom fighters) to infiltrate and create civil unrest in East Pakistan. There were some other hidden reasons behind the breakup of this country. A united Pakistan would have emerged as a strong power on the world map which was neither accepted by India or some other countries. Secondly, from the military point of view, India did not want to fight Pakistan on two fronts in case of another war between the two countries. The breakup of Pakistan would allow India to keep its armed forces lined up in its western borders with Pakistan. Furthermore, India was just not contented after it split Pakistan in 1971. It had plans to split the remaining Pakistan and it is said it was moving it forces to the borders of West Pakistan after the fall of Dacca. It planned to overrun the remaining of Pakistan possibly with the intention of wiping out this country from the map of the world as Pakistan has always been a thorn in India's eyes since it came into existence. True, Pakistan was in dire straits during that period in its history with no political leadership present (the generals were ruling), a demoralized nation and an armed forces in shambles. India could not achieve its dreams thanks to the intervention of President Nixon. The developing scenario could have led to a confrontation between two major world powers and Russian was forced to ask India to stop. Lastly, East Pakistan was not "liberated" as you state in your comment. It was "occupied" by an invading army from the western side of its borders. This was recently acknowledged by none other than the Indian PM Mr Modi.

Super input by Mary ........... No match till now ....... ! ......

All facts .......... No hollow arguments { which are sadly so common here } ...........

Pakistan's efforts to get Kashmir their right, has in fact harmed Pakistan due to three wars and bad

relationships with India and Russia.

Kashmiris on both side of the frontier recognize it, value it, and that is why they wave Pakistani flag in the protest against India. India is keep Kashmir occupied under the brutal armed force.

Kashmir is burning but it is occupied Indian Kashmir. Pakistani Kashmir is peaceful independent and progressing. Pakistan is only helping Kashmiris to get their right of self freedom, but Indian press had twisted Pak efforts to seed hatred in India, because they want dominance like on Nepal, Bengaldes, Sri lanka and even Afghanistan.

With the arrival of Modi, secular India has virtually become a religious Hindu India, which is why Muslims, Zakir Naik and Kashmiris are being marginalized.

But Modi is playing against the collective wisdom of India's founding fathers, who made India a "Secular Country" and for sure he would be on the wrong side of history.

Sadly Yes, Kashmir issue will not be solved anytime soon. A neighbor of mine was shot dead yesterday evening. Fearing more voilence during his funeral my parents have have abandoned home and have taken refuge in another locality.

Not in the near future, Mufti. (Police in Indian-administered Kashmir say at least 30 people have been killed in clashes between protesters and security forces following the shooting of a well-known militant leader.

Burhan Wani, 22, died in a gunfight with the Indian army on Friday.

More deaths were reported on Monday after a weekend of violence left 23 dead, including a policeman.

The violence is the worst seen in the region for years. Some 800 extra troops are being sent to help restore order.

More than 200 other people have been injured in the clashes, in which government forces have fired live rounds and tear gas.) BBC today.

Kashmiris were betrayed by both India and Pakistan from the very beginning. Indian didn't let democracy to take roots in Kashmir. Governments were toppled and installed. Artcle 370, which provides special powers to JK has been eroded by GOI from time to time. All this caused resentment in Kashmir.

Pakistan from the very beginning used it's agencies to foment trouble in Kashmir. With the help of local Islamists, this politics issue was converted into religious. Jihad was introduced which caused mayhem. Top leaders like Maulvi Farooq, Ab. Gani Lone, Qazi Nisar, Dr. Guru etc were assassinated by pro pakistan militants on the directions of ISI. Pro-independence JKLF militants were killed by much power pro-pakistan jihadis. In the origional UN resolution, there were three options for Kashmiris i.e India, Pakistan and independence. On the insistence of Pakistan independence option was dropped thinking that muslim majority Kashmir would opt for Pakistan. Etc etc

Both the countries have ruined Kashmir. I hope sanity prevails and Kashmir issue is solved at the earliest.

All nations who own nuclear weapons are enemies of the human race! May God kill them by their own weapons.

The world's 20 strongest militaries

Apr. 21, 2016

No. 11. Pakistan

Budget: $7 billion

Active front line personnel: 617,000

Tanks: 2,924

Total aircraft: 914

Submarines: 8

Allies: China - Ranked 3

No. 5. India

Budget: $50 billion

Active front line personnel: 1,325,000

Tanks: 6,464

Total aircraft: 1,905

Submarines: 15

Allies: USA - Ranked 1, Israel - Ranked 14 & Russia - Ranked 2

Pakistan

Last nuclear test 30 May 1998 (Chagai-II)

Largest yield test 25–40 kt in 1998 (PAEC claim)

Total tests 6 detonations

Peak stockpile 130 warheads (2016 estimate)

India

As of early 2013, India was estimated to have had a stockpile of around 90–110 warheads. But presently, complete information about India's current nuclear deployment and future expansions are highly classified.

Indo-Pakistani War of 1947

Started by Pakistan against Maharaja Hari Singh. When saw that he was loosing war signed Agreement to the accession to the Dominion of India to get Indian military aid.

India gained control of about two-third of the state including (Kashmir valley, Jammu and Ladakh) whereas Pakistan gained roughly a third of Kashmir (Azad Kashmir and Gilgit–Baltistan)

Indo-Pakistani War of 1965

This war started following Pakistan's Operation Gibraltar. The hostilities between the two countries ended after a ceasefire was declared following diplomatic intervention by the Soviet Union and USA and the subsequent issuance of the Tashkent Declaration. Both India and Pakistan claimed victory.

Indo-Pakistani War of 1971

Started as civil war between West Pakistan & East Pakistan. India intervened and liberated East Pakistan from West Pakistan. Within two weeks of intense fighting, Pakistani forces in East Pakistan surrendered to the command of Indian forces following which the People's Republic of Bangladesh was created from East Pakistan.This war saw largest number of prisoners of war since the Second World War after the surrender of more than 90,000 Pakistani military.Pakistan lost half its navy, a quarter of its air force and a third of its army.

Siachen conflict 1984

India launched Operation Meghdoot capturing all of the Siachen Glacier. Further clashes erupted in the glacial area in 1985, 1987 and 1995 as Pakistan sought, without success, to oust India from its stronghold.

Indo-Pakistani War of 1999

Pakistani troops infiltrated across the Line of Control (LoC) and occupied Indian territory mostly in the Kargil district. India responded by launching a major military and diplomatic offensive to drive out the Pakistani Army. Two months into the conflict, Indian troops had slowly retaken most of the ridges that were encroached by the Pakistani Army.

GDP:

Pakistan

$285 billion (nominal, 2016)

$982 billion (PPP, 2016)

India

$2.40 trillion (nominal; 2016)

$8.73 trillion (PPP; 2016)

GDP rank:

Pakistan

36th (nominal) / 26th (PPP)

India

7th (Nominal) / 3rd (PPP)

GDP growth

Pakistan

Increase 4.71%(2016)

India

Increase 7.9% ( FY 2015-16 Q4(Jan-Mar 2016)est.)

GDP per capita:

Pakistan

$1,561 (nominal; 145th;2015)

$4,902 (PPP; 135th; 2015)

India

$1,820 (nominal; 129th; 2016)

$6,664 (PPP; 108th; 2016)

Population below poverty line:

Pakistan

17.20% (2015)

India

12.3% (2011)

Unemployment:

Pakistan

6.5% (2015 est.)

India

3% Urban

2% Rural

Total=10.8 million

(2013, NSSO method)

It appears that Kashmir could once again become the flash point for another devastating war between India and Pakistan. The word "devastating" now carries greater weight than before as both countries are nuclear powers. A solution to the problem of Kashmir through talks is just a pipe dream. So many of them have taken place over the past six decades. Yet the deadlock continues to remain.

India, as it appears now, has gone on overdrive to put Pakistan "in order." It has four consulates and an embassy working in Afghanistan where there are hardly any Indian nationals present, while it has just a High Commission and a consulate in the UK where thousands of Indians live. This definitely raises questions on the function of these consulates in Afghanistan. Pakistan believes India is involved in fomenting the current unrest in Baluchistan just the way it did in East Pakistan. Just recently Pakistan claims to have arrested an Indian spy in Baluchistan. Add to it, the rapidly expanding of India's war machinery. It is perceived India would soon be having a blue-water navy. Then, after decades it has managed to get the US on its side which wants India to keep an "eye on China." The Chaubahar port which India is developing in Iran could be another step to keep a watchful eye on Pakistan as it is being built at a stones throw distance from the Pakistani port of Gawadar.

Pakistan with its limited resources and being a smaller country in size area wise, may not in a position to match India's rapid expansion of its army, navy and air force and its firepower. Its only defence lies in deterrence.

The question of the hour is: Will Pakistan be able to sustain any Indian attack in future should it ever take place?

In view of the developing world politics, Pakistan will eventually forced to fight a defensive war holding on to the territory it now occupies. The question of it getting the Kashmiris their independence through the use of force does not arise. If the Kashmiris want their freedom from the yolk of Indian hegemony, they will need to stand up for themselves and one they have achieved this, they can then decide which country they would align to.

In such a scenario with Pakistan confronting India's superior firepower, it may be forced to roll out its nuclear arsenal to defend itself. As Pakistan's ex-president Pervez Musharraf recently commented that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is not for fireworks.That will definitely invite retaliation from India. It will be then that the world powers along with sane nations across the world would step in to solve the outstanding issues between the two countries.

No one would like to see another Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And the tribal Lashkar looted Kashmir, killed men and raped women.

Dear zainmzubair,

The area which was captured from Maharaja Hari Singh, Pakistan dived it into Gilgit-Baltistan (72,496 square kilometers) and Shaksgam tract, a small region along the northeastern border of Gilgit–Baltistan, was provisionally ceded to China in 1963 therefor only 13,297 km2 remains as of so called "Azad Kashmir" the narrow, 400 km long, with a width varying from 16 to 64 km.

Dear zainmzubair,

Pakistan did't liberate Azad Kashmir from India.

Pakistan launching tribal lashkar (militia) from Waziristan when Kashmir was ruled by Hindu King Maharaja Hari Singh not India.

When Maharaja Hari Singh saw that he was loosing to Pakistan then he signed Instrument of Accession to the Union of India. The Indian and Pakistani armies entered the war after this. The fronts solidified gradually along what came to be known as the Line of Control till date.

The Azad Kashmir a "self-governing" state under Pakistani administration as much under suppression as Jummu & Kashmir a "partial autonomous" state under Pakistani administration. Kashmirs on the both side are suffering.

Dear Mary-Vani

I have no problem with Kashmir being independent. But you cannot imagine the pace with which Kashmir is getting radicalized. I live there and it feels like hell. Most of the natural resources fall under non-Muslim areas (Jammu & Ladakh) and they will never support an independent Kashmir and would like to be with India if Kashmir separates. It leaves us with 7 million people living on 16000 sqkms-Kashmir Valley with no natural resouces except few mountains. Believe me we cannot sustain on our own. Kashmir is no Switzerland. It is just a hype in media.

As I said before those who demand independence or accession with pakistan are mostly Islamists and their armed groups(Jihadis). And when they rule, we cant expect Kashmir to be peaceful.

In my view the best solution would be to give maximum Autonomy to both the sides of Kashmir without altering borders.

Dear Mufti Shahid

For hundred of years till 1947 Kashmir was independent country so it can remain independent again.

Switzerland is smaller than united Kashmir,

It is land locked like Kashmir.

World wars I & II were fought around it but could mange to remain neutral.

Kashmir's economy is predominantly dependent on Both countries economy is dependent on tourism, agriculture and allied activities with very less industries.

Switzerland is Multi-language & cultural country so is Kashmir.

Many small small countries with same parameters around the world are haply surviving so can Kashmir.

People of Kashmir rose against Maharaja Hari Singh under the leadership of Sheikh Mohd. Abdullah. And Shiekh sb was instrumental in making Kashmir part of India. Hari Singh signed the instrument of accession and Sheikh Abdullah ratified it.

Jihad in Kashmir stared only after Pakistan was divided with Indian intervention and in return Pakistan vowed to bleed India through thousand cuts.

The basis of Indo/Pak partition was to separate the Hindus and Muslims which was under British rule in 1947 but Kashmir was independent country under Hindu King Maharaja Hari Singh.

Yes India is committing atrocities Kashmiris who don't to be under Indian rule but even West Pakistan also had commit atrocities on East Pakistan when they wanted independence and now Pakistan is committing atrocities on Baluchis who want independence for their natural resource rich Baluchistan.

Equin0x: how can you be ignorant. There is a treaty call INDUS-WATER TREATY which gives Pakistan exclusive right over Kashmir rivers and Indian Punjab rivers to India. Kashmiris have suffered economically because of this treaty.

Pakistan does not have any objection on Kashmir's independence. The basis of Indo/Pak partition was to separate the Hindus and Muslims, because they have been fighting on cultural and religions mismatches for centuries. On top of it, Hindus were never willing to treat Muslims at par on equality. Based on the core basis of partition, the Kashmir had to be with Pakistan. It is not that Kashmir is rich in minerals or anything else, it has the most previous commodity of "Fresh Water" that gives life to India's economy and religion both.

so, the fresh water has in fact become something that has put Kashmiris under Indian slavery.

Let the Kashmiris decide on their free will.

Independent Kashmir is simply not possible for reasons below:

1) Economic reasons: Kashmir cannot sustain as an independent country. There are no. resources. Currently Indian govt. is paying salaries to 4 Lakh employees which amounts to 135000 crores. Then thousands of crore are spent on developmental activities, education, health care, social welfare, mega projects etc. 80% is borne by India.

2) Geography: Kashmir is nestled between three nuclear powers-India, Pakistan & China and is a land locked place. It will become a battle ground and every country will have proxies there.

3) Political reasons: Most of the leaders who lead the resistance movement in Kashmir are Islamists. You can understand we will turn into theocracy. Misrule will become order of the day.

4) Natural resources: All the Kashmir rivers flow to Pakistan. They will never allow us to make dams for irrigation, simply because Punjab's agriculture is dependent on Kashmir waters. Existing Indus-Water treaty, which gives all the rights of Kashmir water to Pakistan has created havoc to our economy.

Beautiful input by Mary ........... So nice of you .......

Dear Equin0x,

Please update your knowledge.

1) According to the Indian Independence Act 1947, British at the time of giving independence to British Indian had made a rule that

a) Region under their rule with Hindu majority will become India ( Union of India)

b) Region under their rule with Muslim majority will become East Pakistan & West Pakistan ( Dominion of Pakistan)

c) Already independent region can remain independent or join Pakistan or India as per the ruler wish.

Kashmir was independent country ruled by the Hindu King Maharaja Hari Singh who initially wanted to be interdependent but local Muslim majority population revolt against the Hindu government as it had started to commit atrocities & massacre of Muslims citizens then accordingly, seeing this revolt and the interference of Pakistan the king signed an instrument of accession with India on 26 October 1947. Legally speaking as per British set of rules Kashmir belongs to India but on religious, moral & humanitarian ground Kashmirs should have their voice heard.

2) UN Security Council passed Resolution 47 on 21 April 1948, stating that Pakistan should withdrawal from Kashmir & India to reduce its forces to minimum strength, after which the circumstances for holding a plebiscite. Nether Pakistan pulled its forces neither India reduced its troops.

3) Now Kashmiri are divided not just between India and Pakistan but some want to unite Azad Kashmir (Pakistan controlled) & Jummu and Kashmir (India contronl) into a single country with complete independent neutral country for which both India & Pakistan don't agree.

Independent neutral country is best option as it can become Switzerland of Asia.

Love & regards,

Mary Vani

I am from Kashmir and situation is very tense there. Govt. has imposed curfew across the valley to stop violent protesters from attacking police stations, army camps and public property.

Let me make it clear, only few Kashmiris want to join Pakistan. A lot of us are for independence, though some favour India.

Kashmir issue is very complex. There is no easy solution to this issue.

Pakistan backed Jihad shattered everything there, so did the brute response from India.

The biggest problem Kashmir faces is the religious extremism. People get easily provoked in the name of religion. My biggest fear is after separation ,it may turn into a theocracy.

Anyway, let us pray for the peace and hope India and Pakistan talk to each other for early settlement of this issue.

Kashmiri people must be given the right to decide. Pakistan has already played its part. Pakistan had already played its part. Pakistan seize part of Greater Kashmir in the first Kashmir war b/w India & Pakistan liberating it from Indian Occupation and turned it in to an independent administrative unit. The People of Azad Kashmir (Called POK in India) are independent with their own flag and parliamentary system. When do we expect such a move from the Indian side ?

Let the Kashmiris decide, they deserve it.

India has also huge greed towards the fresh waters of Kashmir, that irrigates their lands and rivers, on which Hindus base their religion.

This is the first time in months that muad-db has written something sensible!

The only answer is an independent Kashmir .. But that is not possible in the near future

Kashmir dispute is a recognized international dispute between two countries, that shall continue to smoke, if not attended.

India is keeping a huge army of 700 000 in Kashmir in order to curb the local sentiments, and also trying to habitat the valley with Hindu population in order to reduce the majority of Muslim Kashmiris.

Since Kashmiris do not want to live with India, they should be allowed to live as per their free will, the justice demands.

Neither side is concerned with Kashmir anymore.. They fully realise the consequences and more importantly have other things to focus on..

Kashmir is "rolled out" every now and then to divert the public attention

Equi, Do not worry , people of both countries are not serious on this issue because of illiteracy, unemployment, poverty and twisted media reporting ........