Illicit Relations & Murder - Same same???

i think we're more concern about this country than the people who should be.

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veni, vidi, vici.

I understand every ones concern,

I believe that we need to be more knowledgable of the law in Qatar before we say whats on our mind,

as I do know that the law here is even and clear,

the only non clear thing is that we dont know it..

so lets first educate our selves then make our minds about it.

Math 4 All

smeonenew, better to keep your chinkens in safe place :)

From what I've been told Qatar hasn't carried out corporal punishment in 10 years. In every case the punishment has been quietly changed to prison sentences or deportation.

Isn't that the case in any country, Brit?

I'm surprised doesn't Qatar have an eye for an eye policy? Or was that saudi? I remeber some years back abt an Indian blinding a qatari and the gov was trying to gorge his eye out or something.

I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown

Another thing to remember is that the "discretion" of the presiding judge has a major bearing on the sentence..

Well it's a given that a non-Qatari will be deported, so that means the non-Qatari in this case got a lighter sentence than the Qatari in the recent case?

there was a case 2 years a go , of an Indian expat causing the death of one teenage qatari & and serious injury of his brother. As i recall the verdict was 6 months & deportation.The deceased father is a lieutenant

From a legal perspective the law is clear and equal..

However, in many cases, especially where non-western expats are concerned, "pressure" is brought upon victims' familes to accept smaller amounts than normal..

All the expats will be deported lol

Different values or no, the state needs to start using their brains when sentencing people. In the case of the vechicular murder, as much as I think the sentence should be harsher as a deterrent to others, the likely hood of this guy repeating the crime is slim. In fact, if he's any kind of a decent human being he's so scarred from this he will probably never drive again. However in the case of the woman who tortured and killed her maid, that's a habitual crime, this woman WILL do this again. And the state of Qatar has freed her to do it again. Therefore the next time she beats a maid to death, the state of Qatar should consider themselves the one's responsible.

That's what the QLers in the other thread were wondering. I think some were trying to find a case where a non-Qatari had killed people because of reckless driving, for comparison.

Abu - that's a good explanation of the different "values" I was talking about.

This is how they look at it in the lovely state of Georgia:

"This is a felony, that upon conviction will result in a sentence of between 3 and 15 years of imprisonment (or between 5 and 20 years for habitual violators), with no parole for at least 1 year. A homicide is first degree homicide by vehicle if the driver "unlawfully met or overtook a school bus; unlawfully failed to stop after a collision; was driving recklessly; was driving while under the influence of alcohol or drugs; failed to stop for, or otherwise was attempting to flee from a law enforcement officer; or had previously been declared a habitual violator".

(Source: Wiki)

It depends on the case Brit. I just did a google search of vehicular homicide in Canada and people get up to 15 years for killing their passenger, much less a family of four.

Sadly, the UK is one of those countries..

"Vehicular homicide" comes under "Reckless driving"..People usually get their licenses revoked for a year and possibly a year or so in jail..

is it possible to corrupt a society were it's ok to torture and murder someone? Sounds like the society's already pretty corrupt to me.

From what i heard, Last year the public prosecutor office at MOI have raised amendments to the criminal law with suggestion to create dedicated criminal law that clearly defines crimes like murder, rape, harassment,etc.

Brit:"Vehicular murder" carries similar "light" sentences in most countries of the world..

am still thinking about a country where a murderer can get away with a slap on the wrist 2 years plus some blood money...

any ideas??

2 years is not even a 'light' sentence...its NO sentence. Less said abt the torture case sentence, the better!!

Well then why don't they bloody create and enforce some laws???

With a no identity law (part British, part sharia wannabe), any lawyer can negotiate any deals they want.

I don't see that difference in values, tallg. Christians and Muslims both have the same law: Don't kill. Both have the same law: respect the other as yourself. Where are the differences??

So just because this is a different country with different "values" makes this ok? Great. I'm going out to torture and murder some people. See y'all in 3 years. Even less if they just deport me after I pay the blood money. :P

Agreed, it makes no sense to us, but that's because we're coming from a different society with different legal system and values.

This clearly indicates that there is "some" success in implying the Human Rights. Otherwise the torturer would have walked away free.

Fine, leave aside the vehicular murder and lets look at the fact that someone who willfully tortured and murdered someone only got one year more.

I would really like to understand how torture and murder is on the same level as consensual sex.

Even though, brit, it still makes no sense.

"Vehicular murder" carries similar "light" sentences in most countries of the world..

As far as ilicit relations are concerned.. I am not condoning the legal system here, but the fact is that it is a legal system of a sovereign country and we as "visitors" have to abide by it.

So let me get this straight, under Islam I'm better off killing someone then I am having consensual sex?

Its subjective, because one is based on "religious and cultural" aspects and the other isn't..

I have always voiced my opinions in the UK regarding the silly sentences passed for murder using the car as a weapon..

And I can't find the Gulf Times article about the maid's torture and murder, but here's the link to the qatarliving topic: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/288250

Sorry, can't seem to edit my post, here's the link to the Qatari driver kills 4 article: http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=259536&version=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56