It's Ramadan and yet, we are working 8 hours a day (8-12am;4-8pm-Working Hours, break time at 12-4pm).
No changes in the company working hours and schedule this Ramadan.
Is it fair? :(
good luck with your flights. when are you going home? It seems like you have been here for long and you need a break. I will request your boss to give you exit permit if he is not allowing you to leave.
By the way you do not need to teach your people at your home country as there are millions of good Muslims in Your India to teach you and your companions.
All companies should follow the law of Qatar.. which says 5 Hrs for Government Sector & 6 Hrs for private ....
Moreover no one stopping non-muslim to eat, but not in public places... that is it. But if still they havesome problem simply they can resign and go to their homelands, where most of them will be killed by shortage of jobs and food and dust and many more things...
Mr. Lafanga ... if you really dont like the rules of this country so why dont you go to your poor country where people are dying for food even without fasting,,
Pilgram..dont they allow you to even eat in an enclosed area like a pantry or a room or your own office room with doors closed... or do you work outside I mean you have a field job..
I really find it funny that some complain about not being allowed to eat food or drink water during the day being non muslims and on the other hand some also want to get the benefit of less working hours... lol....:)
unlucky employed by this company. Lol! But you are not alone. It's a reality that more companies are breaking this law and so far, no one have ever been prosecuted. So if you want to do the honor to report it, maybe you'll make history! Lol! Not recommended!
Only 6 hours permitted during ramadan for all workers in Qatar according to labour law see above article 73. You are entitled for 2 hour OT, if working 8 hours.
LOL. I love the naivety of some people. Just because it's a law in Qatar doesn't mean it's followed. And good luck going to the Labour Dept...just make sure you get there during the 2 hours they actually work during Ramadan and don't expect anything to happen till after Ramadan when it doesn't matter anymore anyway and your Qatari sponsors wasta will probably clear it up and keep you slaving away with no food for 8 or more hours anyway.
As per Labour law the working hours during the holy month of Ramadan should be six hours irrespective of religion. Some companies are asking their employees to work extra hours and in that case the extra hours should be considered as over time.
Thanks FathimaH. i am also aware of that, because i work in the same field as your husband. :) sometimes also, i have to work until dawn, but not this Ramadan times, as it is not allowed by the government. you're right, some companies really don't follow rules and laws. :( sad.
You are still better off than my hubby's working times. He went to work at 9am yesterday and is yet to return home! he's being working more than 24hrs and he is fasting too. as a project manager he's job requires long working hours in order to keep up with unexpected deadlines,Regardless of it being Ramadan. Mind you no OT. Don't get me wrong though..he loves his job so this is no rant rather just to tell you that not all companies keep up with the whole 6hrs policy. Likewise not all employees can be given the same working hours.Cos in my husbands workplace many staffers have shorter working hours too.It all depends on their line of work and tasks on hand. Fair or not Allahu 'alim.
How can religion be kept out of a topic on Ramadan??
tinkerbell I can kill someone more openly with my car and guess what I will get- 3 months imprisonment, drinking water will get me greater jail term. You find it funny?
We have given up complaining about it as we know it doesn't make a difference. If only one person is writing about it here, it doesn't mean that only one person thinks that way.
saeed bro u alwez get me wrong bro.i m explaning him in a better way.but he starts argung abt religion.which is nt at all fair.v r nt here to make arguement on any religion either islam,hinduism,christanity,buddist,etc...
No one is forced to fast during Ramadan... all offices have somewhere where the staff can go for a coffee or glass of water etc. and if you are not working ramadan timings then you have a lunch break to go home and have your lunch.
supermarkets are available in the morning...if restaurants are not... even restaurants reopen at 1 in the noon... to prepare food to sell out... no one is bound to eat unless he should comply with the state's law!
last 2 days ago i was having some problems with schedule too coz they were planning to make it as 2 Shifts 6 working hours were divided 4 hrs in the morning 9-1 and in the evening 2hrs 9-11 whew :((( and yesterday only they decide to make it 8am - 2pm :)
Lafanga...it is generally considered intelligent to run a check on rights and wrongs if you are going out of your country to work or even for vacation...it saves lot of heart burn not only for yourself but for the people of the country you are visting.
Considering that the fast ends at around 6pm, then technically you are working only 6 hours during the fasting period. So therefore the company is compling with Rules. :)
tinkerbell I have just realised that Non-Muslims don't matter in this country so I am going to resign today and head back ASAP. I don't want to die in this heat keeping a forced fast for a religion I don't even believe in.
lafanga u r here in doha becoz u dnt get in ur own country..so learn to respect the country.n dnt bring religions in arguemnt.like u said abt islam..n u r nt working free here , thiz country is paying u hansome salary,n first educated to ur self if so dnt cumback ..then later u go on educating others..becoz of u ppl.there is communal riots in country.u r jes narrow minded.n try to creat disharmony in the society n among other religions.grow up dude
I think there are laws out there just to stress the need and respect for the fasting ritual in the culture but never heard anyone punished that way. Have you heard or witnessed lafanga?
FYI everybody, the law of Qatar makes no difference between muslim and non-muslim employees in this matter; according to the Emir's decree a few years ago, working more than six hours a day during Ramadan is ILLEGAL for all, unless it's a life and death situation.
There are many private companies who do not follow the law and invent restrictions such as the idea that only Muslims are allowed to have shorter hours.
You could always complain to the Labour Dept (if you think it's worth it).
Abu nobody with half an ounce of common sense will eat in front of you while you are fasting but that will be out of their own choices.
Making laws to throw people in prison for eating, closing down all the eating places and it's not just food. Drinking is punishable in this weather??? Not everyone has a job sitting inside the AC office whole day.
Lafanga, I might not feel discomfort if someone ate infront of me during fast but I have no such friends or colleagues who do this being aware of my fast. Is it my fault?
tinkerbell it's not difficult at all actually but it's a matter of choice. I don't have any for one month and I don't like living my life without choices.
I think I will pack up during Ramadan, I know I won't be missed in Qatar but I can't live this way where even my eating and drinking is forced.
I will of course educate all my countrymen back home about how tolerant Islam really is.
no 1 is force here to fast...i m sure e1 u r not lafanga bro.u might b trying to creat ambigious environment..bro.wherever u r living try to respect those ppl n those country law.n neither law nor ppl force to fast non muslim.i have 40% of non muslim colleage.
not many but some restaurants are open during day time... you are not permitted to eat food outside or in public area... at home you do anything none of others business!
lafanga u might b having habit of eating 24hrs.in midroads,everywer wer u shudnt.but itz better u can take leave n be in home.have a healthy food.
thinkerbell no company is unfair my dear,in case of timing fr non muslim,if one is at work mean he has to work watever the timing might b,e1 u ll find worst timing in case of BPO,in india,hope u know that.but still ppl work....
Whichever way you try and put it, I am being forced to fast and I would have liked people to atleast accept the fact and not lie during Ramadan but all of you are obviously comfortable with lying during Ramadan.
I am not going to eat in front of any Muslim, noe can they open the restaurant opposite my office so that I can take some food and go home and eat?
arman, btw who said you n-m can eat or drink within the offices or away... and what for they need to drink or eat, take breakfast at their homes... can't survive without eating/drinking for 6 hours... a logic
Atleast stop lying armanek4u, Non-Muslims can't do anything they want in Ramadan, no drinking water outside in 50 degrees heat and 100 degrees humidity, no eating. In my office even inside you can't eat or drink.
thanks gloomy.... there are some companies that only implement the shorter working hours to Muslim employees, could it be that your office is one of them.?
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All wanna stay at home , no one wanna work ... even it is 2 hours still wil find complaining :P
good luck with your flights. when are you going home? It seems like you have been here for long and you need a break. I will request your boss to give you exit permit if he is not allowing you to leave.
By the way you do not need to teach your people at your home country as there are millions of good Muslims in Your India to teach you and your companions.
No rooms. We're all in an open office. No place to go and get food either. Sucks to be me.
All companies should follow the law of Qatar.. which says 5 Hrs for Government Sector & 6 Hrs for private ....
Moreover no one stopping non-muslim to eat, but not in public places... that is it. But if still they havesome problem simply they can resign and go to their homelands, where most of them will be killed by shortage of jobs and food and dust and many more things...
Mr. Lafanga ... if you really dont like the rules of this country so why dont you go to your poor country where people are dying for food even without fasting,,
Go to hell why you dying for money....
why you still here????
Pilgram..dont they allow you to even eat in an enclosed area like a pantry or a room or your own office room with doors closed... or do you work outside I mean you have a field job..
Maybe my boss is waiting for the baladiya to come over for a VISIT... :p
I think the complaint is that non-Muslims are not allowed to eat and are still working full hours happygolucky. I know that's my case.
I really find it funny that some complain about not being allowed to eat food or drink water during the day being non muslims and on the other hand some also want to get the benefit of less working hours... lol....:)
unlucky employed by this company. Lol! But you are not alone. It's a reality that more companies are breaking this law and so far, no one have ever been prosecuted. So if you want to do the honor to report it, maybe you'll make history! Lol! Not recommended!
So, there is the law, and then there are criminal companies which ignore the law. And nothing happens to them. Is that typical for the Gulf?
our company even have the full copy of the Qatar Labor Law, dohaonline, yet still they don't implement that. :(
Only 6 hours permitted during ramadan for all workers in Qatar according to labour law see above article 73. You are entitled for 2 hour OT, if working 8 hours.
Article 73
The maximum ordinary working hours shall be eighty four hours per week at the rate
of eight hours per day with the exception of the month of Ramadan when the
maximum working hours shall be thirty six hours per month at the rate of six hours
per day.
The time spent by the worker in transportation to and from the place of work and
residence of the worker shall not form part of the working hours.
The working hours shall include an interval or more for prayer, rest and taking of
meals which interval or intervals shall not be less than one hour and shall not be
more than three hours. The said intervals shall not be taken into consideration in
calculating the working hours in fixing the rest interval but the worker shall not work
for more than five consecutive hours.
The Minister shall by a decision specify the types of work in respect of which the work
may continue without stoppage for the purpose of rest.
that's what i know also cheru, but neither the overtime pay is not given.
i'm not ranting on this, just asking if this is right or valid in some sort.
btw, welcome to your new dancing baby, but why the face is like that? :)
LOL. I love the naivety of some people. Just because it's a law in Qatar doesn't mean it's followed. And good luck going to the Labour Dept...just make sure you get there during the 2 hours they actually work during Ramadan and don't expect anything to happen till after Ramadan when it doesn't matter anymore anyway and your Qatari sponsors wasta will probably clear it up and keep you slaving away with no food for 8 or more hours anyway.
Ramadan Kareem... stay well!!!
As per Labour law the working hours during the holy month of Ramadan should be six hours irrespective of religion. Some companies are asking their employees to work extra hours and in that case the extra hours should be considered as over time.
not really saeed, i'm dieting. :)
Rizks... you're in luck!!! :-P
Thanks FathimaH. i am also aware of that, because i work in the same field as your husband. :) sometimes also, i have to work until dawn, but not this Ramadan times, as it is not allowed by the government. you're right, some companies really don't follow rules and laws. :( sad.
6hours working in govt. sector coz huge # of locals working in these sectors... they can't work more than six... no matter they work or not ;b
Colt i do help only por gals :P
I need a salary increase, can i PM you too? :-P
gloomy yes ,, just PM me :)
You are still better off than my hubby's working times. He went to work at 9am yesterday and is yet to return home! he's being working more than 24hrs and he is fasting too. as a project manager he's job requires long working hours in order to keep up with unexpected deadlines,Regardless of it being Ramadan. Mind you no OT. Don't get me wrong though..he loves his job so this is no rant rather just to tell you that not all companies keep up with the whole 6hrs policy. Likewise not all employees can be given the same working hours.Cos in my husbands workplace many staffers have shorter working hours too.It all depends on their line of work and tasks on hand. Fair or not Allahu 'alim.
Pajju, are you seroius? :)
How can religion be kept out of a topic on Ramadan??
tinkerbell I can kill someone more openly with my car and guess what I will get- 3 months imprisonment, drinking water will get me greater jail term. You find it funny?
this thread is not created for religious bashing, so please make sure to clear out those points which one have reservations over it!
gloomy PM me ur company name .. i will take action
We have given up complaining about it as we know it doesn't make a difference. If only one person is writing about it here, it doesn't mean that only one person thinks that way.
saeed bro u alwez get me wrong bro.i m explaning him in a better way.but he starts argung abt religion.which is nt at all fair.v r nt here to make arguement on any religion either islam,hinduism,christanity,buddist,etc...
Agree with Tinkerbell,
No one is forced to fast during Ramadan... all offices have somewhere where the staff can go for a coffee or glass of water etc. and if you are not working ramadan timings then you have a lunch break to go home and have your lunch.
Stop whinging and accept it... its only one month
supermarkets are available in the morning...if restaurants are not... even restaurants reopen at 1 in the noon... to prepare food to sell out... no one is bound to eat unless he should comply with the state's law!
good.happy journey lafanga.n try to do a good thing fr atleast ur own country
last 2 days ago i was having some problems with schedule too coz they were planning to make it as 2 Shifts 6 working hours were divided 4 hrs in the morning 9-1 and in the evening 2hrs 9-11 whew :((( and yesterday only they decide to make it 8am - 2pm :)
happygolucky you are right, I have made a mistake.
tinkerbell do what?? Can I make these people realise that Non-Muslims are humans too???
I doubt. I have got better things to do which are more likely to happen.
Lafanga...it is generally considered intelligent to run a check on rights and wrongs if you are going out of your country to work or even for vacation...it saves lot of heart burn not only for yourself but for the people of the country you are visting.
Good for you
never take back your decision.
Considering that the fast ends at around 6pm, then technically you are working only 6 hours during the fasting period. So therefore the company is compling with Rules. :)
tinkerbell I have just realised that Non-Muslims don't matter in this country so I am going to resign today and head back ASAP. I don't want to die in this heat keeping a forced fast for a religion I don't even believe in.
Have a happy peaceful Ramadan
Lafanga
to be honest i'm working with Christians Lebanese owners.
i've to work from 7:00 to 15:00
a water dispenser lying inside my office is rushed with non muslim staff drinking water continuously
nothing bothered me, as my fasting is not for them.
Its only a matter b/w me and my Allah, so why should i bothered about those non Muslims, who are eating and drinking infront of me.
but hey,
don't u think, those non Muslims (including Christians, Hindu's and Buddhist) must respect and at least avoid these things in front of me?
>>>>Shorter working hours is for Muslim only.(fasting and prayer)
>>>>Longer working hours is for non-Muslim.(eating only)
that's good WOF. my hubby works from 8am to 2pm only this Ramadan... :(
Dot.com biased???
They let me eat, I shut up. Simple as that.
Abu yes I have heard of people who were fined and punished for drinking water in 50 degrees temperature and 90 % humidity.
OK
Lafanga
carry on
with your biased trial.
lafanga u r here in doha becoz u dnt get in ur own country..so learn to respect the country.n dnt bring religions in arguemnt.like u said abt islam..n u r nt working free here , thiz country is paying u hansome salary,n first educated to ur self if so dnt cumback ..then later u go on educating others..becoz of u ppl.there is communal riots in country.u r jes narrow minded.n try to creat disharmony in the society n among other religions.grow up dude
Jack, i hope i can do that. i'm just peeping on QL this days. unlike before. :(
thats bad gloomy
we have 8am to 1noon time
yes unfair...
bye for now
gotta do some work...1hr left only!
I think there are laws out there just to stress the need and respect for the fasting ritual in the culture but never heard anyone punished that way. Have you heard or witnessed lafanga?
Calling QLer "Eyecandy"...didnt I tell you yesterday on another thread...the story continues....:)
Dot.Com you can doubt all you want, I really don't give a damn.
FYI everybody, the law of Qatar makes no difference between muslim and non-muslim employees in this matter; according to the Emir's decree a few years ago, working more than six hours a day during Ramadan is ILLEGAL for all, unless it's a life and death situation.
There are many private companies who do not follow the law and invent restrictions such as the idea that only Muslims are allowed to have shorter hours.
You could always complain to the Labour Dept (if you think it's worth it).
Lafanga
i doubt if you are living in Qatar.
saeedkhan, I am sure you don't know anything about black cumin seeds. or do you?
Abu nobody with half an ounce of common sense will eat in front of you while you are fasting but that will be out of their own choices.
Making laws to throw people in prison for eating, closing down all the eating places and it's not just food. Drinking is punishable in this weather??? Not everyone has a job sitting inside the AC office whole day.
Lafanga, I might not feel discomfort if someone ate infront of me during fast but I have no such friends or colleagues who do this being aware of my fast. Is it my fault?
tinkerbell it's not difficult at all actually but it's a matter of choice. I don't have any for one month and I don't like living my life without choices.
I think I will pack up during Ramadan, I know I won't be missed in Qatar but I can't live this way where even my eating and drinking is forced.
I will of course educate all my countrymen back home about how tolerant Islam really is.
drmana, if i take heavy breakfast in the morning then i dont eat anything the whole day... logic ;b
no 1 is force here to fast...i m sure e1 u r not lafanga bro.u might b trying to creat ambigious environment..bro.wherever u r living try to respect those ppl n those country law.n neither law nor ppl force to fast non muslim.i have 40% of non muslim colleage.
Gloomy ...think about the benefits...You have 8hrs to QL :)
religious but i have to admire the discipline of the muslims who are able to fast in this environment..
not many but some restaurants are open during day time... you are not permitted to eat food outside or in public area... at home you do anything none of others business!
sorry, quite busy...
Rizks, i can't accept ur invitation, i'll be sure worried about my life, if i'll do that.
WK... shall i ask for my NOC now?
Lol Colt... that's why i'm Qling now.
Tinker... let's put our companies on fire, literally. :)
armanek read my previous comment and stop giving illogical arguments
tinkerbell I work for my salary, nobody is giving out freebies here.
rezyz, did you skip your lunch for a whole month any other time of the year just because you can survive without it? Logic???
gloomy Qling 4 hrs then you will be wokring only 4 hrs for your company.
lafanga u might b having habit of eating 24hrs.in midroads,everywer wer u shudnt.but itz better u can take leave n be in home.have a healthy food.
thinkerbell no company is unfair my dear,in case of timing fr non muslim,if one is at work mean he has to work watever the timing might b,e1 u ll find worst timing in case of BPO,in india,hope u know that.but still ppl work....
Whichever way you try and put it, I am being forced to fast and I would have liked people to atleast accept the fact and not lie during Ramadan but all of you are obviously comfortable with lying during Ramadan.
I am not going to eat in front of any Muslim, noe can they open the restaurant opposite my office so that I can take some food and go home and eat?
NO I have to fast as well.
101% agreed with kayani...
arman, btw who said you n-m can eat or drink within the offices or away... and what for they need to drink or eat, take breakfast at their homes... can't survive without eating/drinking for 6 hours... a logic
They didnt force u 2 fast.They want u 2 respect their fast.Dont Eat anything infront of Muslims thats all
tinker and gloomy i really feel pity abt ur timings totally unfair.................
yes armanek4u Non-Muslims should not be given Visa to enter the country.
ok if come to think about it Gloomy, you spend more time in QL... hi hi hi hi
Atleast stop lying armanek4u, Non-Muslims can't do anything they want in Ramadan, no drinking water outside in 50 degrees heat and 100 degrees humidity, no eating. In my office even inside you can't eat or drink.
Lying doesn't suit you during Ramadan.
lafanga..if that case non muslim wud not have been here,
no fasting MJ.
Rizks, i hate you for being able to go home early... :(
LAFANGEY they can eat in office there is no restriction on non muslim,they can eat they can do anything they want.
They can't eat so looks like they are being forced to keep the fast.
Poor Non-Muslims, consigned to hell and forced to fast and work long hours as well.
gloomy come to my office, we never work :P
no, not at all... they cant eat in the office & we dont force them for anything...
why are you asking lafangay...
tinkerbilli join me anytime anywere...:)
rEzyz are those non-muslims allowed to eat or are you forcing them to keep the fast?
its not that way pilgram... dont behave negative...
we have non-muslims working in our firm ... and they are allowed only 6 hours to work.
Report it to the concerned authority
Gloomy one more idea....but we can emphasise this idea after Ramadan...:)
You spend 5Hrs in ur office and spend the other 3Hrs with Me...Howz Tat ? :)
Welcome to the world of a non-Muslim during Ramadan.
you teach the company a lesson... you work only 6 hrs and spend the other 2 hrs on QL :-P
I'm sorry, I hope you can at least go to the pantry and have your meals :-(
Forced to fast? I don't know about it. Wat u mean by non muslims are forced to fast?
why hate me gloomy ? :(
wat am i suppose to do if ur company is making u work like a dog for 8HRs ? :(
bolo bolo ? tell tell...
gloomy, are they requiring you to fast as well?
Colt, no overtime pay. :(
Rizks, go away. i don't need your comment. hate you. :(
no idea about the private sectors, some have their own timings... but in govt. working hours are 6, either 7 to 12/ 8 to 1...
maybe you'll get 2 hrs overtime paid to you???
my office working hrs is from
06:30am till 11:30am...Eeeehaaaaa !! :)
thanks gloomy.... there are some companies that only implement the shorter working hours to Muslim employees, could it be that your office is one of them.?
What about Ramadan is fair in Qatar?
Non-Muslims forced to fast, that part is fair?
thanks donald.
good for you MJ. enjoy the vacay. :)
if there is no exceptions on the rule. If not then its totally unfair.:-)
check this link...
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=379439&version=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56
maybe they're only implementing it for Muslim employees?
this year, I work 0 hours during the Ramadan.... :)