Why PIG is Haraam in ISLAM...?
Why PIG is Haraam?
(Most scientific conversation) sent by British Minister
Bob : Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the words Halaal and Haraam; what do they mean?
BM: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which is not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quran which draws the distinction between the two.
Bob: Can you give me an example?
BM: Yes, Islam has prohibited blood of any type. You will agree that a chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an abundance of uric acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human health.
Bob: You're right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human
being it is excreted as a waste product and in fact we are told that 98% of the body's uric acid is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed through urination.
BM: Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed method of animal slaughter in Islam.
Bob: What do you mean?
BM: You see, the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name
of the 'Almighty', makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving all other veins and organs intact.
Bob : I see, this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of blood from the body, rather than an injury to any vital organ.
BM: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the brain crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its blood would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today did our dieticians realize such a thing.
Bob: Again, while on the topic of food; Why do Muslims condemn the eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine
BM: Actually, apart from the Quran prohibiting the consumption of
pork, bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus Chapter 11: Verse 8, regarding swine it says, 'of their flesh (of the swine, another name for pig) shall you not eat, and of their carcass you shall not touch; they are unclean to you.' Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it does not have a neck; that is according to its natural anatomy. A Muslim reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck. Nonetheless, all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about the harmful effects of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it pork chops, ham, bacon.
Bob: The medical science finds that there is a risk for various diseases the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and potential diseases.
BM: Yes, even apart from that, as we talked about uric acid content in the blood, it is >>important to note that the pig 's biochemistry excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content, the remaining 98% remains as an integral part of the body. Plus as everyone knows that swine (pig) eats its own excretion, which means that of all the uric acid and the other waste products excreted, most of it goes back inside again.
Cigs and sheesha are both not permitted Islamically and there has been fatwa issued on this. Good point that some things are permissable to sell in Qatar but others are not.
Smoking was considered offenseive before but has now been ruled as haram. Perhaps as this was at one time permissable people have an easier time with it as pork has always been haram. even if this is the logic, the alcohol bit gets me. Pork cant be any more harmful than drinking.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Shannaisha...its really informative to read this clumn...and impressed about atif242 polite way of answering all questions! Keep it up!!!Thank you for the website information too.
They say you are what you eat.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 173:
He (Allah) hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah; but if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.
Ref: Prohibition of ‘wine’ in the Bible:
Lev. 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
Numbers 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
Deut. 29:6 Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.
Prov. 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Prov. 21:17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man: he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich.
Prov. 23:20-1 Be not among wine-bibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.
Prov. 23:29-30 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
Prov. 31:4-6 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Prov. 23:31-5 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.
Is. 5:11-12 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them! And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.
Is. 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
Is. 28:1, 7 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!...But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Exek. 44:21 Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court.
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother`s womb.
Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Eph. 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit...
1 Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
Ref: Prohibition of ‘swine in the Bible:
Deuteronomy 14:8 The pig also because it is a splitter of the hoof but there is no cud. It is unclean for you. None of their flesh must you eat and carcass you must not touch.
Leviticus 11:7-8 And the swine, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must no eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.
Your Question: Please also explain why is pork is probihited so i am answer questions to my non muslims friends/collegues
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 173:
He (Allah) hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah; but if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 5 Surah Maidah verse 3:
Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah, that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not, but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any forced by hunger with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.
Allah Subhanah has categorically forbidden the believers the flesh of swine as food; thus for the believers, who sincerely believe in Allah and the Last Day, this one reason should suffice.
But as with everything in Islam, one is allowed and encouraged to look and search for the wisdom behind the commands of Allah and His Messenger (saws); for that will make our conviction firm and strong in obeying their commands. If for the limitations of our confined knowledge and understanding, we are unable to grasp the wisdom behind any commands of Allah and His Messenger (saws), it is still our duty as believers to obey and follow each and every command of Allah and His Messenger (saws); for indeed, every command of our Lord and Creator is based on His Absolute and Perfect Knowledge.
The swine family in general is an extremely filthy, dirty, impure and unhygienic animal by nature. It is a scientific fact that the flesh of swine has a particular worm, and is a known carrier of several harmful parasites, which if the swine is not reared in proper hygienic conditions, or not cooked to a certain temperature, is harmful and sometimes even fatal to the humans when consumed. Some people argue that in today’s modern times, the swines that are to be consumed by the humans are properly reared, and their flesh cooked at high temperature to mitigate the risks to human health. But Allah Subhanah, Who is the Creator of everything in existence, knows all the evils and impurity of the flesh of swine, which even today man may not be aware; and thus the All-Wise, All-Knowing has declared the flesh of swine ‘haraam’ for the believers to consume.
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I doubt if you can classify Ciggies as haram.. That would mean that the Sheesah is haram too?
Ingredients
1 lb. pork picnic or side bacon belly (cut into bite-sized cubes)
* 1 cup white vinegar
* 1 head garlic (finely chopped) portioned into two
* 3 pcs. laurel (bay leaves)
* 1/2 cup soysauce
* 1 cup water
* 1 teaspoon peppercorn
* 3 tablespoons oil
Directions
In a deep skillet, brown pork in oil.
Add vinegar, soysauce, first portion of garlic, laurel, peppercorn and water.
Bring to a boil, lower the fire and cook uncovered for 10 minutes.
When it gets too dry just add 1/2 cup of water.
Cover and let simmer until pork becomes tender.
In another pan, cook remaining garlic until golden-brown.
Add pork and pour the rest of the adobo sauce.
During Lent (from Ash Wednesday, to Easter Sunday), Christians should not eat meat on fridays, only fish, and are supposed to fast from the morning till noon. The very orthodox christians do not eat meat any Friday, but it is not required for everyone. It is a personal decision to do it or not.
That's the only time of the year I know we are not supposed to eat meat.
up again!
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Quality dude! Quality!
Go for it love. Hungry here. Do you come with chips and onion rings???
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Any cut you want love, but you better have an appetite!!!! 8-O
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I say what I like and I bloody well like what I say
Are you offering??? Is it loin or flank?????? Or do you have a bone in it???
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Popcorn girl, are you missing the pork sword? 8-/
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I say what I like and I bloody well like what I say
then double standards then?
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
It's just the way their regulations is, just as the case of United States with dog meat.
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
So why sell booze and fags and not Pork?
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
I was replying to the second part only:
you said
"My problem with Qatar is...................why sell two things that are banned under Islam and not the third."
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Is a Polynesian word meaning; something that should not be mentioned.
Pork can be and has been mentioned.If you don't eat it, that is because you can't or don't like that meat.
Nothing wrong with that, but please don't use words that do not equate to the debate.
Just tell them; we can't eat Pork, it's against our religion....now f&ck off. Simple really.
This quoting thing from Koran makes it look like, 'they potest too much'.
Nobody should justify what they eat or drink.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
It's a taboo and illegal, just like dog meat is in US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat#United_States
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
really who gives a stuff? Come on, who cares about whether anybody eats anything or does not. What the Jesus H Christ has it got do with anybody else. I hate melons, I don't eat them. Where is the 'you should all eat Melon lot'. Just bloody leave it. If they dont eat Pork, Beef, Fish, spoons, lemons, small crispy kids or dogs...whether it is religion or by choice who gives a toss?
My problem with Qatar is...................why sell two things that are banned under Islam and not the third.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
up!
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Quality dude! Quality!
Well all I would say then is that they should check their facts first, because putting out disinformation doesn't help anyone.
That why I put quotes "information", because they're false.
However, he probably thought they're genuine and true.
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
No the problem Gyspy here is that an oridinary Jew will not go on about his/her religious belief compared to a an ordinary muslim. I grew up with jews back in London and no one ever mentioned any thing about their religious belief etc.
On the other hand an Ordinary Muslim will argue with you until the cows come home about his/her religious belief. The Jews get on with it and abide by their religious belief without making a big fuss about it or try to impose it on others.
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HE WHO DARES WINS
Meat scientists?? Really?
Well UK, I went to a school that was 75% Jewish, and they never distributed anything scientific to prove the validity of Judaism, so I base my comment from that, if there are some out their that do fine.
Also the-prince 95% of the information he's sharing is false. Frankly that goes more towards DISPROVING his beliefs then proving them.
Gypsy.. Jews have used scientific reasoning to show that the slaughtering of the animals in the kosher way is no painful to the animal then it the normal way of shooting or stunning the animal.
I found this link that might counter your argument that Jews don't use science.. Just for your info..
http://www.grandin.com/ritual/kosher.slaugh.html
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HE WHO DARES WINS
Not proving, sharing the "information", supporting his point of view
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Not just Catholics dmighty, Baptists and Anglicans aren't supposed to do it either. Baptists aren't supposed to drink alocohol either.
Yes UK, but they don't try to prove the scientific validity of it, they just do it cause God said so.
I am Christian and we eat meat any day including Fridays!
"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
"dgoodrebel is not plastic"
Infact Jews go even further by cleansing their meat Gypsy.. Salted beef for example, the animal is slaughtered in the same way as the Muslim do. They even go further by cleansing the the meat by applying salt to ensure that there are impurities in the meat left from the blood.
So the question to all is that. Is the meat from animal slaughter in the halal or kosher more cleaner than meat from animal not slaughtered in the same way?
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HE WHO DARES WINS
OK, Muslims don't eat pork because God says so.
Jezmir saw something that he believed to be a "genuine scientific fact" that would show Islamic teachings wisdom, thought to share it with QL society.
But don't we all?
I'm sure Jezmir never tasted pork, even before coming across that "genuine scientific fact" that cause all this headache
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Why can't you just say, cause God says so... Jews don't try to justify scientifically why they don't eat pork, Christians don't try to justify why they don't eat meat on Fridays, etc.
Not THAT reason, otherwise, a cow would also be HARAM:
No father ox ever marry a mother cow
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Father pig did not marry mother pig......
;-)
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Popcorn: i know, but i wanted to see the topic that was made here in QL concerning that video, my wife seams to belive in it. I explained her that we had discussed it here and wanted to give her the link.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
If you go on You tube it is called Coke and Pork -Disgusting. I saw that ages ago and it is a fake.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Some months ago someone posted a youtube fake video where someone dropped coca or pepsi cola on a pig steak and there would show larvae coming from it, anyone remembers the name or link to that post?
I call it fake because we all discussed about it.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Doesn't seem to be much bashing on this.. Just discussion.
As long as it's bashing free
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
So....Maybe we're enjoying it.
I can understand why pork is considered taboo, or why, especially since it's banned in the Quran, people here don't eat it and think it's dirty.
I just don't understand the need to try and prove it scientifically.
if u read the whole thread from the beginning, almost everybody is saying the same thing again and again with little bit extra lines. THAT'S WHY i have said like that
Same impression
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
I'm not saying that you consider it a taboo. It just is in western culture.
However, using your own reasoning, I, don't care neither about whether the original post is or isn't true !
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
I don't see why, I think the conversation is pretty tame and informative.
guys, for GOD SAKE, leave this thread and move on. Even the creator hasn't typed a single word about its own forum topic.
This topic is just like a ROUNDABOUT where you can encircle around it for infinity but never will reach to an end. So there is no conclusion for this topic. Just leave it and comments on other numerous new topics.
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I request to MOD to delete this thread at once
You sound like my grandmother, mariam.
In some jurisdictions, not the whole US. Usually the reason for making it illegal are health reasons associated with the butchering.
Social taboo, sure, unless you're part of the Koren or Chinese communities.
Magic D, God forgive you, You don't know what you are saying,
God made every women beautiful, so be contented to one, coz all is the same...hhhmmp!
"There's nothing we can do to change the past, if it teaches you a lesson profit from it then, forget it."
I don't care what is taboo and what not. My mother tried to convince me that girls are taboo when I was sixteen. I just ignored it. It did not kill me and it did not make me sick either. So, why worry for 'taboos'?
Illegal in US, same link, pls read on:
"In the United States, it is considered a social taboo and illegal in some jurisdictions to eat dogs or other animals traditionally considered to be pets or companion animals."
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
He said taboo, not illegal. It's perfectly legal to eat dog in Canada so long as it's butchering meets Health Canada standards.
Not only in Canada, but western culture in general, according to wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat
"Though the consumption of dog meat is generally viewed as taboo in Western culture, some Westerners support the right to eat dog meat ..."
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
They make beautiful "Sauer Braten" from horse meat in Germany and Austria. It's a regional delicatesse. "Taboos" are cultural values, not legal laws! You may or may not obey them. At least in the West!
There's a place in Cambodia where you can even pick your weapon of choice and kill it yourself.
Culture, beliefs and sensitivities..
A friend went to China last year. In one restaurant , they had all sorts of animals in a pen outside. You could pick and have it slaughtered / cooked on the spot..
It is "taboo" MD, same as eating horse. Westerners don't like the idea of it because they are pets, not food. There are even certain types of pigs that are pets not food and to eat one would be considered by many to be gross.
So, prince? What is "mainstream culture? It can only mean that there is a lot of other 'streams' of culture, too. And that again brings us to the point where we don't know what is "the truth". Do what you like and take the responsibility for it. That's a much better way to live.
This is quoted directly from the link copy/paste
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
That's nothing to do with religious laws or taboos, that's just because Canadians don't like the idea of eating Fido. Korea is 80% Christian and eating dog is quite common there.
It's not a taboo, prince. You can do it as you like it!
Gypsy, no meat on Friday! Because Jesus died on Friday! That's for the Christians. I normally eat a filet steak on Friday.
Gee, I thought only Muslims had taboos
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Thank you for your answer.
But why is "Consumption of dog meat is taboo in mainstream Canadian culture" ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat#Canada
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Christians can eat whatever they want...except Fish on Fridays...or is only fish on fridays?
So, does Genesis 9:3 mean a christian is can eat cats & dogs as well?
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
"but I argue that the prohibition against eating pork was given specifically to the Jews and never applied to non-Jewish Christians. In general, pork is no more harmful to the body than most other meats if it is properly preserved and prepared. I never have said that anyone has to eat pork. If you choose not to for religious or other reasons I will never insist that you eat it. I just maintain that in Genesis 9:3 God said, “Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.” This is the first mention of man being allowed to eat meat, and God allows all meat. It was only under the Law of Moses that he restricted that for the Jews. "
"Friendship is a single soul dwelling in two bodies."
"If everyone abstaining from pork and certain other foods was part of God’s plan, then he clearly changed that plan sometime between Noah and Moses. If refraining from cheeseburgers was part of God’s plan, then so was circumcision of all male eight-day-olds. And yet, in Acts 15, the apostles and elders in Jerusalem missed a great opportunity to say those were part of God’s eternal plan. Instead they refrained from requiring the gentile followers of the Messiah to be circumcised or to abstain from certain foods"
"Friendship is a single soul dwelling in two bodies."
we will not be judged by the food we ate....
"Friendship is a single soul dwelling in two bodies."
Mintus, oven-ready dog is not available here in Qatar but it is in China. Shall the Chinese embassy contact the Humans rights commission and complain that their beliefs are being compromised?
I also dont think that because pork is not available here people dont eat it or dont eat it when they leave here.
I cant find donair sauce here either, which pains me a great deal. where do I lodge a complaint?
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
britexpat
said We are all here with ...
We are all here with differing beliefs, ideals, viewpoints. Why does it cause so much consternation that a Muslim does not eat pork ?
Its a matter of belief and choice. This should be accepted
We accept this, but there belief is forced upon everyone else here. That is the issue.
beef, fish, lemons or spoons. If they can't they can't.
I was asking why, if fags and booze are not allowed in Islam but sold here, why cannot pork be sold for non-muslims? It happens in other Gulf Countries or it did until the fiendish hyped up flu thing.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
donosa,
We're on the same page.
If somebody wants to go to hell, and refuses to listen, it's their choice, nobody can force somebody to believe in something or to do something.
I think that believers should concentrate on themselves, before thinking about others. Nobody has a guaranteed place in Heaven, and we need to work hard to get there, resisting temptations, and refusing to commit sin. It's a personal thing. Telling people about one's religion is good, if they're interested. Otherwise, they'll probably make fun of it, which is something I don't accept.
i think the quran needs an update:
1. pigs provide us with heart valves, they save lives.
2. pork is very healthy for you, get some pork on your fork!
3. a bacon double cheeseburger is great cure for a hangover
As Brit said, i am not sure why people get so wound up because Muslims justify why they dont eat pork. jews dont eat pork, the reasoning is pretty much the same. When it is a discussion regarding Judaism is is accepted as their belief.
Instead, the thread turned into childish arab muslim bashing and how some of them are bad muslims?
Damn people, I am blinded by the halos atop your lovely heads.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Yes, I would get you a conclusion, for everyone: RESPECT!
Why do we always try to make others think or believe what we do? STOP IT!! Even if we don't like it, even if we feel we hold the absolute truth, even anything... we, each one of us have the right to believe in whatever we want, and follow those beliefs, and hold on to them. Just because you do, doesn't make you a better person. The same, if you don't, doesn't make you a bad person.
We will always agree or disagree in a lot of things, but respect for others beliefs and opinions is what we should always stand for! We live in a Muslim country, so why do we have to criticize them? And why should they make us see why they believe in something? Everyone, no matter where they live, has the right to believe in whatever they want AS LONG as it doesn't hurt in anyway to any other person.
"Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace" Benito Juárez
I might go to hell, but at least is something I chose to do...
we are all passing , we all gonna die anyway.. just have faith in your beliefs... whatever it is,everyone will respect it.... We will not be judge on things we eat... We will be judge on our deeds....
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Pigs are our friends, so it is haraam to kill them for food.
simply religion islam is faith
on Allah Quran & Muhammad (PBUH)
they say yes so just obey
they say no so just Stop
questionings in religion like islam is it self unfaithfullness and signs weekness
I know it against religion to drink and smoke but they allow that but not the sale of pork.
Platao, sorry, I thought they just cut the neck.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
"I do not agree with how animals are killed using the Hallal way as it can take up to two minutes for the animal to die and I think that is wrong."
Not really, if you split head from body they'll die right away (except chickens)
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
the_prince, it doesn't work that way. It's very ineffective.
All converts between religions do that for one of two reasons:
1-They are already converted in their mind.
2-They are fake converts who do it for benefits.
Well if booze and ciggies are also haram and are still sold here, i say bring in the bacon and frown all you want!! You still have a choice not to eat it but dont deprive us peaceful pork eaters :D
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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pcg, almost all Islamic countries, but it still doesn't make it right or "frowned upon". It's against the religion.
If pork, like any other meant is cooked well, there is no harm from it. Cooking kills bacteria. That is why we have to be careful when eating anything raw(fruit and veggies) we wash them well before eating them. All food is good food if it is cooked in a healthy way.
I do not agree with how animals are killed using the Hallal way as it can take up to two minutes for the animal to die and I think that is wrong.
I realise that smoking and drinking is frowned upon in Islam and yet both are sold in (some) Islamic countries.
If those are available I can't see why pork can't be here.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
If anyone tells you it is for medical reasons and that pigs spread deseases. pls axplain how Asia and esp China hv such a population problems... their food is mainly based on pork yet they dont die that easy ...lol...
Gypsy ur right chicken are a million times worse then pigs ..
guess its a culture thing
I haven't preached ... yet :(
Don't know if I even can
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
prince, you should not consider yourself a missionary. Why don't you just say "pork is haram, because pork is haram!" Anybody of your faith will take it and not doubt it. Anybody not of your faith will not take it, and even your "scientific" explanations are not sufficient. So, why all that cheese?
For the same reason missionaries travel abroad, to advocate their believes.
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
I wonder,
Why do some Muslims come here on QL, and try to explain parts of our religion to non-Muslims who don't agree with what they are saying?
I accept Islam, with all its teaching, and I don't need to explain it to anybody.
I have confidence in its truth, and don't need any fake proof.
Atif- you ddnt answer me :(
Why did god gave all of us the Foreskin???? was it a mistake while creating human? later wrote n the book to cut it off??
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I would accept:" In general smoking is hazardous to your health because the hemoglobene molecule which binds the oxygen and transports it to where it is needed doesn't make a difference between oxygen and carbonmonoxide." Therefore in some cases the brain gets less oxygen. However, if a person who smokes breathes faster and more often he can make up for that confusion. (By the way, this explanation is from Prof. Perutz, a Nobel Prize laureat in Chemistry.)
Don't blame him. I once came across a an atheist forum who where discussing how to plant a false proof into the non suspecting simple Muslims, and after a while of circulating, they tell them hahaha, you believe in nonsense, and using fake evidence.
You seem to be a very reasonable person, however even some atheists are extreme fanatics, and would fake evidence
I can say this: Humans are the same in any system of belief, and would have all spectra of mindsets.
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Yes, Azam. Not everything is good for anybody!
That's a fine trace in your character, prince.
Good for you, but thought to clear any doubt
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Azam, your "science" tells you pork is not good. Observation tells that billions don't suffer from the consumption. Therefore that "scientific" theory is not "scientific". One observation that contradicts the prediction falsifies a theory (at least a scientific theory).
prince, who do you think you can threaten? Not me, that's for sure.
So is theft, so what makes it any different
We'll be getting nowhere discussing like this
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
I got that strange feeling that you think I'm threatening.
So, I'm changing kill to become theft
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
"eating a meat without dispersing their blood that much could harm our health and thats based on science." Then how come I'm still live???????????????????????????? And my kids, too. And another 80 million people in Germany, and another 3.2 billion people in the world (according to UkEng). What kind of science says things when the observation speaks against it? That's not science that's charlatanery.
Some items i want to emphasize from my prev. comments.
1. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
2.Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant?
3.Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
4.So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
For God so loved us much thats why he cited some meat that could harm us physically, eating a meat without dispersing their blood that much could harm our health and thats based on science.
anyways at the end of this world, in the final judgement, well not be ask on what we had eaten...
for 'that Day', God will judge the righteous
"Friendship is a single soul dwelling in two bodies."
We will get somewhere, prince. You'll go to heaven and I'll go to hell.
MD and lot of uric acid as mentioned in the above thread.. Accessive uric acid intake that mean most of the people that eat pork should have gout?..lol
Funny enough I only got gout when I got here where there is no haram meat available..:)
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"It just another form of meat." UkEng, I would go even further, it's just a different combination of protons, neutrons, and electrons, or even further if you don't mind, a different combination of quarks and electrons. So, what makes it really bad is just the "organization" form of elementary particles. Ain't that funny?
Yeah right Sadia (chicken) we know "these" people too who just come here and say go read Quran and all problems will be solved...no sensible discussion coming outta them either.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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Atif, let it be full stop here bcoz as usual non-muslims ARE non-muslims since Adam-Eve ...............
I knw these peoples jst ............ no sensible discussion ............ only ............... time pass.
for the hijack. It is still about pig (swine?). Lol!!! Got it, too! the message, not the flu! Lol!!
"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
"dgoodrebel is not plastic"
Just got a Text from Hamad Medical Corporation annoucing a hotline with numbers 4311342 and 4430438 for Medical Inquires regarding the Swine Flu.
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Maybe they're trying to become "civilized", in the western terms, or perhaps they're modernized already.
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Well Smoke/Alexa if there are driving Landcruisers their salaries must be high.. lol
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You must be joking Alexa are you seriously asking this? its hard to tell :P
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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So Alexa there are laws that forbid eating human flesh but there are no laws (civil, man made laws) that forbid anyone from eating any animal (unless of course it is an endangered specie's). So therefore there are no civil laws (not religious beleifs) forbidding of eating of Pigs.
The only two religions that forbid eating pork are Judism and Islam and certain sects in Christianity. So those who do not follow these religious belief's are not required to refrain from eating pork.
So the point here is that if you do not follow the above groups/religions then refraining or eating pork makes no difference. So if the pigs is clean or dirty what difference does it make. It just another form of meat.
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Yep well its just like we see the "muslims arabs" drive up to QDC and send in their drivers to get the booze.
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Not all Arabs are Muslims
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
It good that in the civilised world we do not enforce our food beliefs on others. Come to think of it we often respect other religions to much, Like cancelling the Nativity in many uk schools for fear of offending Muslims.
Live and Let live.
My funniest recollection of recent years is all of bthe Arabs sitting in the car park at Spinneys sending there maids in for Bacon and pork products.
Hypocrits
If someone uses wrong evidence, just tell him the facts (specially scientific), it serves the purpose, no outrage needed.
e.g.: like someone have stated here that a pig is a clean animal, more than a chicken. stating a fact, no more.
No one argues with fact (if they are facts)
Regardless, I will still eat chicken, not pork.
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
Brit buddy no one is questioning their beliefs or viewpoints, do WE really care if they eat pork or not? More for us i say. What i do have a problem with when they come to discuss "scientific" ways why their religion said eating pork is bad for them, so indirectly they mean to say we are all bloody fools and secretly they laugh at us. Pigs dont have necks so they cant be made halal, pigs eat their own sh*t, thats why god forbid it, at the same time its God the creator of even the pigs, i mean use a little brain and think what you say to others. when we say God created the pigs they say we have a choice to eat what we want, when we say what IF you really dont have a choice and pork is all that is available they say then we will just have to eat it to survive.. WTF?
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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I don't think there is any law against eating other humans? or is there. I am not refering to religious belief. I am asking about if there is any laws against eating human flesh (cannibalism)
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I take your point. To me there is no need for a Muslim to justify why he/she doesn't eat pork or a Hindu as to why beef is forbidden etc etc.
Perhaps it does show a weakness of faith.
Cannibalism is a fact, UkEng.
Why don't humans not eat other humans? hmmm . I am sure that the flesh of human is more tastier than the animals especially piggies..?? lol
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certain people and certain time. That's how they view it. Mine is aonly suggesting offering pork on places where liquors are also served! I think it's fair!
"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
"dgoodrebel is not plastic"
In the time of Adam & Eve, God also created Snake not to make it evil, but Satan makes it evil to deceive. I suppose Pig comes in the same line.
But what comes out of from your heart"
"Masunod nawa ang iyong kalooban!"
The question is again, why do some Muslim try to justify their religious rules through science? It doesn't work, but they obviously can't stay away from it. Is their faith so weak?
just read QURAN & saying of PROPHET MOHAMMAD [SAW] and you will get your answer & your mind clear
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We are all here with differing beliefs, ideals, viewpoints. Why does it cause so much consternation that a Muslim does not eat pork ?
Its a matter of belief and choice. This should be accepted.
So, what about those 3.2 billion, UkEng. All sick? Or dead?
Well, philpinos, vitnamese and chinese eat all those kind of strange food (dogs, cockroaches (so I've heard), etc, and they're not sick or dead either?
So, it's plain stupid that you don't each such types of food
So, you "should" try them as well
Same rule applies
"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the
longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
William Blake
MD 2 billion (2,000,000.00) lol are Vegeterians.. now that leaves only 3.2 billion...lol
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Thats it Alexa, he cant answer. He has no issue with drawing out something he can answer.
It miffes me when people can judge so quickly and be blinded by the fact that they are enabling the convictions they detest.
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LOL, MD, all sorts of people eat all sorts of things, might not kill them but maybe not the best thing for them. I dont think it is that pork will make you die, that is obvious.
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DMS i gave a specific scenario to understand that man in the end will eat anything to survive, and not come up with scientific excuses about their forbidden products. your religion will tell you many things but in the end its man's survival instincts that will prevail.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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It's plain stupid. 1.3 billion Muslims don't eat pork, 5.2 billion do. How come they all survived so far? They should be sick and dead by now.
Your name really proves one thing that if we put off the fire, the smoke will never end for many days ahead.
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Yes Amoud even in an extreme case for survival if offered to eat a dog i would eat a dog to live, I'm just still confused if God put restrictions or MAN put restrictions. Hmmm.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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Atif, why do you have to make it drawn out, you say they are doing wrong, making haram profit yet you stay here in Qatar and take such money.
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and collate it with the general thing? Is that how you think of it?
"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
"dgoodrebel is not plastic"
the question has a long answer which i have to cater with Quranic verses & hadiths which will make this thread so long. That's why I'm not answering it which doesn't mean that i don't have any. Moreover, I believe in verbal conversation for such topics as writings can make false meanings. May be i might wrong or the reader might read wrong too.
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Its an extreme case smoke, thats all.
Still waiting for Atifs answer.....
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
so then you guys speak both ways and we just cant win, you can eat it for survival but then ur sins are forgiven after you repent for it. Yet its "forbidden" so why forbid it in the first place if you know you must eat to live and not live to eat?
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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"Life is very precious and we have to protect it by all means". Drive carefully!
saying about RESTRICTIONS set by each & every company. All company gives specific rules & regulations list which we have to read them, sign them & have to follow them too
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our religion does allow to eat any thing when we are about to die or for the sake of survival. We can eat anything but only that much quantity which can make us survive. We cannot have a feast of such forbidden things or in other words we cannot fill our stomach with such things. Still after eating them, we have to repent to our ALLAH to seek his forgiveness coz this was done as there was no other choice for survival.
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To protect our lives is the the number 1 priority by our ALLAH.
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Life is very precious and we have to protect it by all means
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Atif, I asked you if you think that all the muslims leaders and such are such wrong doers why do you stay here and take their money? This is the only question I ever asked you and the only thing you cant seem to answer.
Smoke, if a muslims has no other alternative he can eat pork, as in die if you dont eat it.
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Atif the company i work under allows me to eat pork, your company doesnt. Does that mean you can come and tell me my companies rules are wrong?
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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Smoke, the whole situation is 'haram'.
sorry i will not answer as it will never end. You will keep on asking me questions & i will keep on answering them on my belief & teachings of ISLAM whether you agree or disagree.
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That's why please consulte QURAN & HADITH.
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Hypothetical situation, lets say a muslim was stranded on a island with a box of alcohol and piggies (ok so i have wild fantasies about booze and oinks). How long would he stay without eating or drinking? Its not actually a funny situation but think about it seriously what if you had no other choice of food? would u starve?
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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Sorry, "four".
When you are working under any company or person, you have to follow his rules & regulations inorder to work with him or company
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To work with that company is your CHOICE but still you have to abide by his rule too which for us is called RELIGION.
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God is mean. He made all the beautiful women and then he said: "You can have only one."
Atif I asked you a question... which you still havent answered.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
never be a blind follower!
"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
"dgoodrebel is not plastic"
Almost all of your questions about MUSLIM FAITH will be answered if you READ HOLY QURAN & saying of our prophet MOHAMMAD S.A.W.
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I'm not a PIOUS guy who can answer each & every question. If you didn't get your answer from Quran & Hadith, consult any famous scholar in Qatar or in your home country
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Moreover, you may visit websites like
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www.askimam.org
www.islamweb.net
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SIMPLE...
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Choice..he gave us choice which is exactly what the Muslims need to understand, we have a choice to eat any or no meat, doesnt matter if your religion forbids it or not.
Also GOD didnt make religion, he never said "Adam I've created you, go and follow this religion called Islam, you ate the forbidden fruit now I'm telling u don't eat piggies.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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Lol, Stone, God created a lot of things we arent supposed to eat. Should he not have created those as well? _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
You have right to disagree with me. You have your own point of view.
"Always Keep Smile"
And while God forbid eating of pork, why does he takes all the trouble creating the animal "Pig". Is that part of his engineering misadventure?
Tears I cant agree completely with you. Islam isnt intended to be about blind faith, everything has an explanation. questioning Islam is healthy, you learn through the pursuit.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
If Muslims would take their religion seriously, no Muslim would work in a bank. Their business is taking interest. Haram!
Muslims just have to sit back and wait. Sooner or later all non-Muslims will die from alcohol. What's the hurry?
Good Question and thinking?
So many Rubbish things on the earth which can not eat it.
For example a cow give milk and u drink it but u did not eat the cow's waste.
So it is important that no questioned every thing on the earth. In some cases we should accept it without any discussion and doughts.
"always Keep Smilling"
Muslims just have to sit back and wait. Sooner or later all non-Muslims will die from the diseases pigs carry. What's the hurry?
UK I think it has something to do with choice. If God made everything permisable to us, then how would we practise our faith? Choosing between what is deemed as right or wrong is something to classify a follower of the faith. If nothing God put on this earth was not permissable than everyone would be doing the same thing.
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Question about why did God create Pig, and then commanded human's through religion not to consume it. It's bit like telling Adam don't go near the apple tree.
Well if God did not want Adam to go near the apple tree, why did he put the apple tree there in the first place.
Just mind baffling???
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If Quran said about anything is Haram then no question about it. Haraam is Haraam no explanation required for this.
"Keep Smiling"
the link below::
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http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/blog/?p=79
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After seeing the above link, you can surely say that WHY we Muslims are in so miserable position on Earth as we do have a fabulous history of Peace & harmony
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I know that's why i'm just thinking to move on to other topic
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a never ending debate......:(
go on !!
It is really very sad that we muslims do not follow more than 80% - 90% (50% is very less) of ISLAM but still what i have said is RIGHT.
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Atif do you even read what you yourself are typing?
"GOD has made Humans both vegeterian & non vegeterian by nature. So it is not healthy just to be only VEGETERIAN as both type of foods have their own significant role in our health."
So if God made man to eat both meat and veggies then why not eat pork? Pork is also meat. In fact if we all go by what u say eating of any animal should be haram as we have to KILL the animal in order to consume it. Killing is also haram. I dont have to be a muslim to know sense from nonsense, but you be happy with what your book tells you to do, half of which i'm sure you dont even follow but you are here to preach to others.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!
this haram that haram everytin haram ... and at the end u see all muslims around do everytin haram ... but its haram!! wheheh :) am sorry for the 2% who are real muslims! not pointing at u :)
Not really Atif. I grew up around chickens, if it's on the ground, they'll eat it, shit, worms, bugs, other chickens, anything they peck across.
Atif, I am muslim, and find your answers to be conviluded. this isnt an Islamic site and your explanations lack clarity.
You still havent answered me. If you feel that these leaders are such wrong doers and such, why are you here taking their money? in your reasoning arent you supporting the ideology?
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this could be an exception or incident. We have to give example of animals with natural habit.
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Example is that there are humans who love HUMAN MEAT so i think it doesn't mean that we all love HUMAN MEAT by nature because it's totally unantural for a human to do that. ISN'T IT ???
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Quran and Bible comes in. The instruction regarding pork is in Leviticus which is an instruction during the pre-Christian time. I posted the instruction in the Christian era!
"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
"dgoodrebel is not plastic"
GOD has made Humans both vegeterian & non vegeterian by nature. So it is not healthy just to be only VEGETERIAN as both type of foods have their own significant role in our health.
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Chickens eat meat. They even eat other chickens.
which meat do you prefer the most
meat of all time.......
*****grrrrrrr!grrrrrr!grrrrrrr!*****
Amoud, I think it is the issue of the pork touching the plates and pans and things. I know in Oman they serve pork but you have to ask for it specially because they will fry it in a special pan.
you can fully understand the obligations of muslims & orders of ISLAM if you do research on it. Read HOLY QURAN with english translation & also the sayings of our PROPHET MOHAMMAD [SAW]. Then you can UNDERSTAND what I'm trying to say.
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In this forum, it will keep on going on and no body will endup at any conclusion
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Hehe, People have Canine teeth :O)
Atif, it isnt about "eating from claws" it is that the bird eats meat.
If your Islam is sound you have no worries of what others are doing, and by judging these "leaders" you may in fact be commiting sin yourself. Leave the judging up to the one who knows best.
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any bacon restaurant around the town?
I wonder if this subject or Landcruisers is the most repeated on QL..
Perhaps someone could provide stats..
that's what i'm saying that all MEAT EATING ANIMALS are HARAAM to be consumed by Muslims.
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Also,all such birds which eat food from their claws like eagle,falcon are also HARAAM to be consumed by MUSLIMS
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http://www.fitnessandfreebies.com/christian/bibleonmeat.html
Often we are encouraged to give up meat by some groups or people, but this is not necessary for any religious reasons. Should anyone try to tell you that giving up meat is the Christian/Biblical thing to do, I offer you this reference, which should clear the issue up once and for all!
Romans, Chapter 14
Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God' ".
So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Therefore, let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
"Friendship is a single soul dwelling in two bodies."
Atif if you feel this way why do you live here and take the money of such wrong doers?
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wrong as expatriates are living for the past many decades in GCC especially when there were no HARAAM OR UNISLAMIC things.
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When Muslims got greedy & forgot to follow ISLAM, then they have accepted all UNISLAMIC things or means to become prominent in the world. We have ignored the wrath of ALLAH and hence have to bear all the hardships & shame in this world & the next world too
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SMOKE, You cannot understand as you're not 'MUSLIM'. It's related to Muslims so you don't worry.
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On the pork thing, I am not sure maybe someone can enlighten me. Perhaps pork is not served in its restaurants as people do not want to use dishes or have their food cooked along side pork? Jews use seperate dishes for meat and cheese right? Maybe it is the same premise?
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Atif.. Then how come the dog is having a neck!!!!!!!
As per the post it shoudnt be having a neck?? AND I dont know why we are having a foreskin tooo..or was it a mistake in creation???
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beast hate beast...dont eat haram in your beliefs and avoid also haram doings..lol!
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Atif, it is animals that eat flesh of any kind, the K9's are a characteristic of a meat eating animal.
Heres a thought, why not let people choose for themselves? The official airline of Qatar serves alcohol, but not pork, that is a good point DMS
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three kinds of food is "haram". Blood, animal who died without blood coming out and all foods served to other gods!
"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
"dgoodrebel is not plastic"
thats why a lot of peple here in qatar abandoned dogs at the street.can you explain that unnecessary doings?islam preaches not to harm animals right?
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Atif if it werent for the UNISLAMIC stuff in these Muslim countries no one would bother coming to work here to develop these countries. No one is asking u to indulge yourself in such things but a smart ruler will not only look inside the well but also outside. Its YOU who are the ignorant one. Why dont u go and live in some cave like the taliban?
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
"dgoodrebel is not plastic"
Dog is also forbidden in ISLAM as it has the habit of eating DEAD ANIMALS. Muslims are ordered to wash a dish 7 times touched by a dog with his mouth as it's full of bacterias.
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Also, any animal having K9 teeths are FORBIDDEN in Islam
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it will still be in controlled situation? Right?
"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
"dgoodrebel is not plastic"
It's so lame to say that just accept it because of religious beliefs ...
One should have reason to believe ... and if you have no reason .... no logic .... then you should try to find one .... Alhamdulillah .... Islam has never taught anything against nature, or science, or anything that can harm us ... it has been protecting us from harmful things even when science could not prove they were harmful !!!
So yes it does matter ... reasoning matters !!!
for my daughter before as a pet....so it is haram also as a pet???
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BTW, http://www.upprs.com/health/skeleton.htm clearly shows a neck - it's there between the shoulders and the head - badly flawed argument matey!
its tasty indeed.......
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"Plus as everyone knows that swine (pig) eats its own excretion"
News to me - what's your source for this gem?
I used to be friends with a pig farmer in UK. He told me that in essence they are pretty clean animals and will set aside an area of the sty to use as a toilet!
All animals eat their own excrement, cows, goats, chickens especially. Chickens are far dirtier than pigs.
GOT IT....Sorry I misunderstood u
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Dog has neck, lets eat dog then!!!
Gime a break!!!
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who have allowed ADULTERY,ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION IN DUTY FREE SHOPS & many other things which we all do in our daily lives.
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along with us, they will also be held accountable for all these UNISLAMIC things so common in MUSLIM COUNTRIES/NATION.
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sex outside wedlock is already forbidden in ISLAM as proved by below verse in HOLY QURAN
“Do not even go close to fornication. It is indeed a shameful act and an evil way to follow” (17:32)
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was it just to tempt us?
As for pigs eating their own excrement well so do rabbits so they can digest the food twice. Is rabbit meat banned as well?
What about fish blood? Do fish have to be slaughtered at the neck to drain the fluid? And what about lobsters?
well! am just anticipating only.we dont know maybe someone make a thread"why sex is haram"...lol!
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Atif it is forbidden in all the major religions, not just Islam.
I am wondering what ignorant muslim leaders you are referring to in your previous post?
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Yes pit_bull, Islam will forbid sex, but only for Muslims... lol.
Not just Islam forbids some acts of sex...
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Pigs don't have necks....that's a new one. Hate to break it to you, but yes, they do have neck, or jugular vein (which is what you slit to make meat halal and drain the body of blood).
such HARAAM products must not be acceptable by Muslim countries at all.
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Earnings from the trading of such HARAAM products is also FORBIDDEN/HARAAM too.
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IGNORANT MUSLIM RULERS--- HUH!!!!!
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I think a lot of people try to convince others with science as a lot of people who do not believe in God and such believe in scientific evidence, hence the reasoning. Islam explains some of the science but I am not sure about this post.
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sex maybe it will be forbid soon??....
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Yeah, cigarettes and smoking in general is forbidden in Islam as it is detrimental to the health. In essence you are committing suicide. Muslims are commanded to take care of their health as much as possible. There is even a hadith about how much you should eat along the lines of having 1/3 of the stomach for food, 1/3 for water and 1/3 to remain empty.
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lol GT, you know perfectly well there's always an invite for religious bashing in QL.. not a day goes by without it eh...
somebody pointed it out already... Muslims dont eat pork for religious reason: God forbids eating it.
plain and simple, why complicate it with reasons which God did not gave when he commands it???
lol pit bull
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TCOM...
Indeed again, some people never give UP !! :(
after being discussing a billion times, again they come up with the same question....Jerks !! :(
dont bother me..i will bite your ass..lol!
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Well lets look at it this way, Islam is the fast growing religion in the world...that means more Booze for us and more Piggies ribs, bacon and sausages!! Woohooo!!!
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Ohhhhhhhhh no not again
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whatelse?..if it is haram.why we bothered..
move on guys!just a matter of beliefs.....
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how many times now we discussing pigs thread here?
haram!haram!haram!mamnu!mamnu!mamnu.....ohhh..
what a pig......
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
how about the explanation on liquors?
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Quality dude! Quality!
explained the concept of Halaal and why pigs are haraam in Islam.
What is halal meat?
Halal (or permissible) in Islam is the meat of animals that have been slaughtered reciting the name of Allah on them and all the blood has been drained from the carcass.
Additional criterion that make meat halal are that the animal should not be dead prior to slaughter, since carrion is forbidden and that the animal is from those that are allowed according to Islamic teachings.
Can we just accept that "IT IS" because of religious beliefs, or is that too simple ?
really Amoud?
Why don't you add one more point about SWINE FLU....lol
Cigarettes are also not allowed in Islam :)
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why smoke cigarrettes?
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