Proofs of the existence of our creator (Allaah)

On discovering the STRONG HTML TAG.

Could we be a bit more sparing with it please.

it is people like you (and richard123 who invited me earlier, and apple who was kind, and azilana who offered me an olive branch) that I feel equal with.

As for religions, the Jews say: we are the chosen people of God, the Christians say: our Jesus is the son of God, and Muslims say: Mohammed is the last of the prophets, thus every human must convert to Islam.

I say: everyone is free to belive what they want. No wars should happen due to these reasons

does god exist...what is the true relegion...where do we go after death....etc all the questions the humanity spent thousands of years without reaching a definate answer...and propably will never do

I like that. Don't know how you could really argue against it.

Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary. Mahatma Gandhi

Pantheism

Pantheists believe that nature itself deserves to be called "God" since nature itself deserves our feelings of reverence and awe. For the pantheist, nothing is more worthy of reverence, or even worship, than the awesome power and beauty of the cosmos itself.

Pantheism caters to the emotional need that many people feel for so-called "spiritual (as opposed to materialistic) values", a need to value something beyond themselves or even the human race.

Pantheism has a long and distinguished history. It has included several philosophers such as the seventeenth century philosopher Baruch Spinoza. Certain versions of Taoism are pantheistic. So is Therevada Buddhism. As Einstein pointed out:

[Therevada] Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural and spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity.

Einstein himself, it turns out, was a pantheist. In his own words:

A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestation of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this sense alone, I am a deeply religious man.

Moreover, Einstein strongly resented having his religious convictions misrepresented:

Xena & PM...the prophet was talking about humans, not trashy "Garveys Race" who claime that arabs are racists & should be treated with discrimination. Such trash will always be smashed by arab boots. (Do we need to discuss the white-design of the black-aparthied once again?)

Others..here is something interesting about the exsistance of God..no specific God..just any God:

Did God create everything that exists?

Does evil exist?

Did God create evil?

A University professor at a well known institution of higher learning challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?"

A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"

"God created everything?" The professor asked.

"Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are, then we can assume God is evil."

The student became quiet and did not respond to the professor's hypothetical definition.. The professor, quite pleased with himself,boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.

Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question, professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?"

The other students snickered at the young man's question.The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break

white light into many colors and study the various wave lengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a

certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but

evil.

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what

happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name -- Albert Einstein

A true story.

Oryx isnt this forum topic....how come it comes under classified

is Abdul Wahab selling islam here? the link is for your awareness only

You can always wear your tinted glasses and drive away too cooler zones

Hahaha..

"At least we coth read our own posts several times now and know them by haert! ;o)"

This was a nice one.

Yeh!..I can repeat it even in my sleep!

Cheers Mate!

OKay, now let me quote you:

Original post line 3:Let me clear in the beginning itself that this is not about one GOD or Other. It is a question in general to everybody.

This is what I am referring to with greek and romans.

Anyway, I tried to give you a picture on the topic from another direction! Hope it worked, despite from our little communication problem! At least we coth read our own posts several times now and know them by haert! ;o)

I have just "cut and pasted" your following comments.

"Furthermore you yourself say that this has to do with greek and roman religion"

I don't remember saying it.

I only said (Again cut and paste)

"I am not talking about Greek, Roman or Egyptian beliefs and philosophy.

By the by, it is the Greek mythology which makes ask more questions than any other.

Because it more mythical than most of the civilisations."

More over I never blamed you for anything.

Once again I am saying please do not take these questions addressed against one individual.

Mine is only Questions and NOT arguments.

I haved edited for clarity and spelling now !!

I keep my statements broad so as not to offend, plus all religion is an act of faith so therefore all the same.

Religion was used to inspell fear into people and control them. Years ago without Television or Radio to communicate a mass message to people, the church or places of worship were a great place to get across their messages.

This still happens now in Mosques for example, where Imams communicate their messages to their followers.

Some religions also warn against gaining information from other sources to protect the religion.

Although the rules laid down by all religions now look quaint and antiquated, in their time they were very powerful and kept large numbers of people under control.

Of course now we have mass communication, hence many religions warn us against the perils of this. It stands to reason that if we could debunk all the claims of a religion we wouldn't follow it.

So again its an act of faith.

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Hey!

You have just edited your previous comment.

This is bit different and some of the comments are relates to particular religion.

I AM KEEPING MY SELF AWAY FROM THIS COMMENTS.

I don't subscribe to this.

I agreed only with your previous post(Which was later edited)

which had some broad statements.

I understood your post exactly the right way I think, and that sentence you are referring to was not to offend you!

If you read your own post, you might recognize that the first paragraph could be interpreted as arguments against god. You state that religion is something bad, because a lot of people were killed during the ancient times and even nowadays.

That is why I am asking counter questions and why I said that you have no clue on the things you are stating, as in my opinion you didn't take a look from all sides.

Furthermore you yourself say that this has to do with greek and roman religion, becasue in line 3 of your post you said that this is general!

I am not blaming you or trying to provocate, I just can't take it when someone blames me on not understanding a topic of dscussion, after I referred in a proper way when writing the answer. I am just answering on your arguments!

While having a discussion with my spouse in the car one day, (we were discussing the people who take the Bible as directly coming from God and the other view which is to believe, just not literally) and we were talking about creation and the making of the world in 7 days. After a bit, out of the backseat, my 4 year old pipes up and says...who knows how long God's/Allah days were???? We fell silent...he was right... Point taken...

Oh yay... there goes Airsupply's argument....

Sorry... had to add my two cents worth...

:-)

your point above is exactly what i am saying.

this is my third year living in a muslim country (2 years in egypt and now qatar). to me, praying 5 times a day and then treating africans or indians like dogs while looking down on and abusing/harrassing women does not make you a good muslim.

i agree with the quote you posted, but i meet many seemingly religious people who don't even try to follow that message.

going through the rituals without internalising the values is useless. i think God/Allah would look more favourably on an atheist who treats all people with respect.

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Relegion is just an imaginary things,Neither there is god nor Allaha.relegion is just made to crime in ancient people.This is only the law to control crime.

You have mentioned

“You are explaining things you don't have a clue about!”.

Dear friend that is the very reason I am asking question.

If I know answers, then I won’t be asking question. Will I?

Please read my mail from the first line.

I am once again reiterating that I am neither for one or other.

This question is genuinely in my mind for the some time.

I am not talking about Greek, Roman or Egyptian beliefs and philosophy.

By the by, it is the Greek mythology which makes ask more questions than any other.

Because it more mythical than most of the civilisations.

Please think about these questions internally, analytically before answering in a bit of emotional way.

I am neither an Athiest nor a person with ulterior motive.

It's the Marxist view of religion that it's the opiate for the masses.

Which is exactly what it is, you are right a couple thousand years ago without science to make sense of the world religion filled a gap and explained all the things that couldn't be explained. Egypt started worshipping the Sun, this made sense to them as it brought then warmth.

All religion was created out of a very human need for people to make sense of what was going on around them.

Since then though science and our knowledge of the World has progressed to the point where we now know the world was not created in 7 days and we evolved over millions of years, not just placed into a garden.

Even knowing these things we can still choose to worship a particular religion, To believe the world was not created in 7 days doesn't mean you cannot believe in God.

As I say Its exactly why its called faith, you can't prove it but you believe it. I take nothing away from those who want to do that, I do object to people trying to claim one is greater than another. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

Jesus is the son of god, not a prophet! Tahts a main difference between islam and christian religion.

No offense, just want to clarify it!

I say: Look on the story from every side! You are explaining things you don't have a clue about! If you ask why there are so much bad things, I ask you, if you have ever looked at the millions of people that are happy with their belief and their relationship to god and believe in him. People just question god because of the bad and do not see the good things he does.

2000 years ago in the christian bible (referring to this, coz it's my religion!) he clearly stated why we have to suffer from that and we committed a sin. That is the reason why we are not in paradise and why pain, sorrows and hate exist. If you read further on (it is an amazing book by the way) he also stated that this will be over for those who are willing. The punishment of living in an non-paradise environment is timely, he even provides us instructions how to get back to paradise.

If you say: Yeah, that is a book with fairy tales! Why do you believe in scripts from the greek philosophers on which the western society is based in its values? Where is the difference?

I have a very serious question which needs some answers.

Let me clear in the beginning itself that this is not about one GOD or Other. It is a question in general to everybody.

Does God exist? If so, why for the hundreds of years humans, who are suppose to be his/her creation has to suffer.

If this is the process then it is useless to pray to him for our betterment.

Does any body know that on whose name most of the humans were killed in the history of the earth?

GOD.

Nothing comes anywhere close to it.

Please do not talk about two world wars (Which took less than 10% of the total killings).

My view is that God has been created by humans to channalise their fears, ignorance and as an answer to their so many unanswered questions.Fear was a tool in those times (Even now!) to effect the control of the community.

The more questions are anwered (Like the world is flat) and those questions are removed from the realms of god. For an example, not long time ago, the lightening (Thunder!) was taught to the humans as the wrath of God. But after it was found out how the lightening happens, our childern or no longer taught that it is a wrath of God. It is explained more in scientific theory and not as myth.

Ofcourse, more questions are there to be answered. So God will be there with us for long time..

What do you people Say?

If you are a true "believer" do you need proof, I thought that was the point of faith. Nothing can be proved but your faith.

Also proselytising in this country for religion other than the "one" is illegal and we could go to prison for doing it.

Isnt it strange that all religion claim that their holy scriptures were given to them by God.

If you go deep in all religion with a open mind it comes to a point where the scriptures were revealed to Human by God.

In all Religion.

all treat each other as brothers, regardless of religion, that it certainly would make for a much more loving world.

The Creator looks upon us all as equals among ourselves...and in the end, we all have to answer to that force. so..be kind and just.

here's a part from the prophet's last speech. it is one of the important speeches according to islamic beleifs..

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone"

so that makes clear.. a man is judged by his deeds and submisson to the Almighty

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I'm sorry but there was absolutely no proof of the existence of God in that link.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

prosleytising drives me insane!!! I would always just say something really off the wall that I really didn't believe in and I'd get this shocked look and they'd almost run off my porch.

If I wanted someone to tell me how and what to believe, I'd be a sheep...I'm not though..I have a brain and can choose what I want to believe in. I just don't care to shove it down someone else's throat. bahhhh bahh..

i would just be bored stupid as I am with all prosleytising.

but I may have to counteract with prize website I know!

One the great things about Qatar is that you know you won't get Jehova's Witnesses or Mormons or 7th day adventists banging at your door 'to share the message' with you.

proving that Christ and our God is real? Not trying to stir up trouble,just curious...

but regardless, i found this part interesting:

"But, this Fitrah sometimes becomes latent, especially when the human being is in a corrupt and spiritually degenerate environment, which is devoid of reminder and exhortation towards the Lord."

as i read it, this part was a reference to atheists and westerners, but I would argue that it applies equally to people who go through the motions of their religion without internalising its values.

someone who prays 5 times a day (or goes to church every sunday) and then lies, cheats, degrades, or other wise treats people, including women and people of different racial groups, in a mean, aggressive or harmful manner is no better.

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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I

He was just sharing somthing.. i dont think he was advertizing Islam Web... like how alot of people post picz and videos with a link....

it was a good link indeed for those who wanna know somehting about the religion.

whome, christianity and islam has manythings in common. we have the same prophets.. jesus was one of our prophets.. and our holy books say manything alike..

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Please dont proselytize here - instead contribute by joining in discussions.

If you want to advertise something..such as islam web then use the classified ads please and don't block our forum topics.

I thought there are some 'proofs', by people that have an experience with Allah. Couldn't find one of those! What is strange is that one proof is, that Allah proofs himself, by saying that he's proofed! (Sounds weird but follows the principle that you can't explain a word with the word itself!).

This differs from my christian religion. This is shall be no offense, I just put my thoughts here! In our religion, people can tell about experience they made personally in having a relationship to god. That is something that is missing in my opinion. I don't say that this is bad, I just compare to the religion I know!