A message for the man who follows me

Sorry to hear what has been happening to you by this sicko. I agree you shouldn't have to change your lifestyle because of some pervert who has nothing better to do with his useless life. I have a couple of suggestions!

Write to the peninsula, gulf times etc. or better yet, go and speak to a journo, with the pic, and number plate.

Print out pictures of the sicko, (hundreds of them), with a description and post them everywhere around Doha. I'm talking the Corniche, malls, sign posts, roundabouts, EVERYWHERE. Sure, some of them will be pulled down, but I have found this to be very effective from past experiences. Get a group of people to help...I'm in...

Try to find out where he lives. Next time you see this sicko, follow him with a group of friends back to his house. This will scare him, as you will have an advantage....Get your husband to approach his family or send letters to the house (translate in Arabic if you have to). Tell him that he isn't intimidating you, and you will send the police over there.

Another thing is to scream on top of your lungs if he comes near you again. Arab's don't take harassing woman lightly and he will be disgraced if you did this around them.

It makes me sick thinking that this guy is giving Arab's a bad name. I have spent years around the region and know that this is not common behavior in the Middle East.

Best of luck and don't show this sicko fear or intimidation.

peace xx

truth will be home after 3.30 if you want to try then! Many thanks for your help on this it means a lot.

I called your land line no. several time but no responce. Appriciate if Truth can e-mail your mobile no to me.

kiara, the fairy is working her peace magic on you full force(not that you are not peaceloving:-)), felt nice to read you comment.

charmed has already posted her positive thoughts on this matter.

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Calm down!!!

Whew!!! why attack each other by talking bad languages?

That's not the solution, if someone offended someone try to response in a nice way and let her/him realize what she/he has done a mistake!!! Don't start talking bad words as people don't appreciate and entertain aggressiveness.

Pity! people in this board are too curious to meet each other, now, if you don't like someone's way of talking and you have to meet them personally what's going to happen?

Don't you think it's nice to meet people to keep our social life active so we don't feel the boredom?

Do unto others, what you want to do unto you!!!

These fairy is a symbol of light!!!

xena thank you so much for writing on this!! bless you for putting what you wrote thats so nice of you and very well put!

secondly Gypsy - why are you being so nasty about this. What is your problem? I didnt come crying to qatar living about this as you put it, i wanted other people opinions on this and to serve as a warning to other people about what can happen out here and how nothing will be done about things if the person who commits these is high up. Your being very mean about this i just hope one day that your not in a situation like this and you dont have to go throuhgh this. The one thing i am trying to learn in life is patience and forgiveness to people - therefore i forgive you for calling me a liar and saying i go crying to qatar living. Fair enough you have already made your mind up you dont want to know me thats fine too.Your are entitled to your own opinion everyone is but calling people names and making fun isnt appropiate behaviour and i hope one day you will understand this.

oh and when i walk my dogs people i wear these huge baggy clothes fully covered so im really not inviting the attention! And i love the idea of setting up either a dog walking group or a womens self defence classes thats a really positive idea.

You're right I did. When the same thing happened to me I didn't come crying to Qatar Living. Sorry if I thought it was bullshit.

Perhaps I dont like to hear my wife being called a liar?? But then it wasnt you sat shaking and scared witless by this man was it, so I couldnt possibly expect you to understand!

As for other opinions yep they are welcome and are taken heed of but your statement "I think she is making it up" is clearly stating you think she is lying!

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Calm yourself truth321. Unlike Xena I don't have the benefit of knowing you and charmed in person (and judging from that post, no offence, I don't want to) I simply thought the post sounded like baiting and voiced my opinion. If you don't want to hear peoples opinions don't post your problems on a public forum.

Gypsy, for one I did post his car registration plate on this forum to warn other women, we dont know his name as my wife was to busy getting away from the sick pervert!!

Are you stupid or something as you cant read what has been put!!!! Or are you one of the women that would welcome such attention from a fat stinking letch??

Sting, thanks for the info, however, the CID were given this guys number plate and then it all went cold i.e. this guy is high up in the Qatari class tree one would presume.

However, rest assured I still watch or walk the dogs with charmed and await him to show up again....and if he does pictures will be posted on here and many other web sites so everyone can see who he is!

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Do unto others, what you want to do unto you!!!

These fairy is a symbol of light!!!

charmed & the truth, please report this matter to the CID. I know someone who had the same problem a coupla months earlier went to the CID directly.They accosted the guy & put him in jail released him only on a very hefty bail. He was a qatari in qp fromm a hgh family s well. all the best. peace

and if you looked at Truths post, you will see his number plate details there.... but if you read on and if you know anything about how qatari's are protected here... you would understand why nothing is happening with this guy...

Why on earth would someone make up something like this? It clearly hasn't happened to you....

Something similar has happened to me.... oh and Gypsy.... I know the couple personally.... this is not something that either of them would make up.... They have actual lives to live, and don't have time to sit and make up stories to put on this site....

X

So why post it on a forum? If she's serious she should post his name if she knows it. Otherwise, I think she is making it up.

I have been aware of this situation as it's been happening on and off for a few months now.....

1stly..... while walking dogs.... one is not dressed up sexy or invitingly.... more like trackpants, jeans and sportshoes and NO sexy tops....

and whats more, i take offense that women invite trouble when dressed up in a sexy way.... it should be their own prorogitive as to how they dress, without it being a sign that they are trolling to be picked up..... Its just a sense of style in most women....

Its like saying a man walking around with a knife is looking for a fight.... When all he uses it for is to whittle a piece of wood...

Don't generalise.... Charmed has every right to walk her dogs without being harrassed..... and bbksiu, "Maybe he feels insulted that you do not cover." Yeah right.... thats why he askes her "does your partner satisfy you?" (and thats just mild wording to the other stuff he has said).

What exactly has that got to do with covering up?

X

Ya no offence, but I can't beleive a word of this. It sounds like baiting to me.

Initially it was not but later on it turned to be like that.

Sorry fellows!!

Ijaz

Does anyone else besides me think this sounds like a load of bull sh*t??

I m a MM ( as u call it) and i dont use that lame line u mentioned...

and this is not a battle between islam and christianity nor should it be...

and in that respect, i think there is NO SUCH THING AS CHRISTIAN socities in the world unless u live in the Vatican...

my point is simple and clear...

YES CHARMED, its is way too naieve to expect that ALL MULSIM MEN will act like angels...

like all other societies and communities, mulsim societies have rapists and killers and stalkers and all sorts of wierd people...

Islam is a religion that teaches us how to carry ourselves and how to act, that is no gurantee that every person who is born muslim will abide....

some muslims are good, some r bad, and some r down right rotten...

and Mr.Ivanhoe

any woman any where in the world who is walking alone dressed up in a sexy way ( which is relative from place 2 place) is inviting trouble...

i ve been to a dozen US cities and many european ones, and in some of them, a single man walking around would be inviting trouble...let alone a woman walking in the dark with no one around.....

so dont give me the hollier than thou lecture will yah...

cheers

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"missiles, warships and nuclear weapons cannot establish security. Instead they destroy what peace and security build." Anwar Sadat

Maybe he feels insulted that you do not cover. These are not excuses though for teasing.

I do NOT agree with the following statement. "The point is that MM use the line - the women should cover up or they are inviting it."

True Muslims must avoid harming, teasing women. Even if the women are not wearing properly, true Muslim men should not tease them.

To Charmed and her supportive husband...I just wanted to wish you the best. I applaud all the efforts you and your husband have undergone thus far. And I truly hope that in sha'Allah, "sl" will be able to help you get the result you need.

Back home, I instructed a full-contact self-defense course for women. It focussed on feminine empowerment - where we focussed on our strengths and learned how to use them on their weaknesses...And I agree with the idea that some folks have suggested re verbal defense. It is an important key to de-escalating a situation and staying safe.

Another important key, is to DENY PRIVACY. Only if you think it is safe for you to do, get his picture, get some video...post it on youtube. If there are people around, shout to attract attention. Even if he doesn't know it, calling attention to his behaviour is not part of his plan. And once something happens that is not part of his plan? The power shifts, and there's a very good chance that it may stop there.

However, if I may suggest one more thing - trust your instincts no matter what. My only intention here is only to offer some support and advice. And with the repeated number of incidents that you've described, PLEASE PUT YOUR PERSONAL SAFETY ABOVE YOUR LOVE FOR YOUR DOGS.

Unfortunately, attackers do try to create a relationship with someone so that they may keep testing how far they can cross your personal boundaries. And in sha'Allah, his intentions go no further than the verbal. But from what you've described, he's been testing how far he can go with you: knowing his 'wasta', knowing his strengths...

While waiting for the bureaucracy to put a stop to this, would driving yourself with your dogs to a different location for a walk be possible? Or, if you have social dogs, perhaps starting a forum for the other dog-lovers out there to maybe try and get a fenced-in off-leash area started? Or getting a dog-walking club started? Just throwing some ideas out there that you may have already possibly entertained...I know how hard it is for them to be home all day while we're at work.

Take care, stay safe and good luck.

A muslim guy with a beard was riding his bicycle while approaching on an intersection a woman appeared in front of him. He tried very hard to stop the bicycle but unfortunately the woman got hit.

Woman says: You should be ashamed, you have beard and hit a woman.

Beard Muslim with innocence: Sister! this is beard, not the brakes of my bicycle.

:)

Good and bad people do exist in all type of communities. What I request you and everybody reading the post, just because of a few corrupt people don't blame the whole community.

Have a nice wheather,

Ijaz

if i was back home i would have been able to get a restraining order on this guy, i dont even think this would happen back home - i worked in a pub for many years and dealt with plenty of sleazeballs in my time but nothing like this guy hes mental! han19 i like the idea of recording what he says thats a good idea! i really want this guy off the streets cos if hes happy to do this to me - it means he does it too other people too. the main thing which worrys me is what else is he capable of i worry about the housemaid which he probably has and other women he might approach. Am i naieve in thinking muslim men wouldnt be like that? and then christan men too i believe that they wouldnt do things like this either!

on another point someone suggested a lwalking group along the corniche! That would be a great idea if we could arrange that!

thank you everyone for reading this and taking the time to reply its very good of you all. I just want people to be aware that its not so safe out here as you think!

muslim men are just like other men, they know stuff!!!

Come on. And not all non Muslims are Christians. The point is that MM use the line - the women should cover up or they are inviting it. Get real. All men should treat women with respect. At least if this happened in a Christian society the culprit would be dealt with by the law and not be allowed to hide behind his family skirts like a child.

look lady,

i totally sympathise with u , and no it is not fair that u get stalked...

but seriouslly...

there are only 3 things u can do

a) change the time and/or place u walk ur dogs( even though it is perfect as u say, i m sure there are other places that are good as well)

b) Confront the man , if he speaks good english and u feel up 2 it, just stand up for urself and be firm in telling him that u dont appreciate what he does..

c) Go old school and find a few guys who would beat the shit out of him...

it doesnt matter who he is, ...at the end of the day, this is a culture in which women are crown jewels and are always percieved to be the vulnrable side...

u have already filed 2 police reports u say ( i recommend u keep formal evidence that u did)...

now if u were to get ur husband or any other men 2 beat this guy up real good, there is no way the police can do anything about it cuz it was self defence and u have evidence to prove he stalked u before....

and please give me a break!!!

muslim men are just like other men, they know stuff!!!

its redicilous to assume that all muslim men are angels simply bec they were born muslims!!!

to my humble knowledge, christian men are not supposed to drink and fornicat outside the institution of marriage either, no one seems 2 complain about " christian men knowing 2 much about sex and drugs!!"

any ways, stay safe..and take care of urself..

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"missiles, warships and nuclear weapons cannot establish security. Instead they destroy what peace and security build." Anwar Sadat

will email you via your contact page.

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Please contact me through my e-mail. I may be able to activate my contact who is at the high end of the establiment here. This guy may do the same things to my wife also although the chances are slim.

its nice to know your relation.

i still feel you should approach the police with this matter and see what they say. no can just pick you up and throw you out of the country. cross that bridge later. since you have the plate number and the pattern is usual, the police will take the matter seriosuly, even if he is too influential for his own boots, they may atleast try to warn him off.

i have only one point, if this man harrasses you today, tomorrow he could be doing it some other woman who does not even have the chance of this forum to advise her. she could be all alone in this, while you are not. since you dont react, he thinks he can just get away with it and no one can do a damn to him.

i still feel you should try to capture this act on your mobile camera.or try getting his converasation recorded. even if the police cant get a person to the spot on time, they may give you a hotline number to call the minute this creep comes up to you.they may catch the conversation.

happy heart

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Thanks for the offer of help to my wife!

Central security division is a lot lower than the people I work with and actually went through to get this man.

But thanks for the offer of help none the less.

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If that doesn't work out. I will try to help you by an anotherway. I assume we are not alone here.

Try Central Security Division> try to arrange for a meeting with Sultan XXXXX. may be he will help you. contact me through my e-mail to get the name.

I am so sick of the childish mentality of these Muslim men (and I am not saying ALL Muslim men). We had a problem with this on holiday once, when a group of Muslim men came to our secluded beach and aggressively hassled and leered at the women. Do they not have the mental capacity to be able to go about their business and leave others alone. When my wife/sister/mother go out on their own they deserve respect from these 'men' regardless.

Perhaps a video of this 'morally retarded' individual posted on the Internet may embarrass him sufficiently.

As some of you will know from QL get togethers I am Charmed's other half.

What she says is true, the number plate (606X where X equals 2 divided by itself) and vehicle description (white Toyota L/Cruiser with gold writing, just so everyone knows to beware this THING)has been handed over and relevant governmental agencies were involved, however once they had the plate number the whole situation disolved??!!

I have tried chasing this but to be told nothing further, yes I want to meet this man...although man is not really the correct word, from description he is more a gellataneous blob who has eaten 3 square meals (super sized) from McDonalds every day of his life.

From what charmed has told me has said is tantamount to a man watching beastiality porn and worse everyday.

However rest assured it would be good if others walked with Charmed, I will carry on being present in one form or another as I am intent on finding this sick individual and having an effect on his life in line with smoking 200 cigarettes a day and playing on the C ring road with rush hour traffic!

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thats the thing what can we do? The police wont do anything because of who he is! As soon as they had his number plate from me nothing! They know who he is and wouldnt do a thing- even thou he has iliegal substances in his car!! which to me means he is someone very important someone untouchable. So what can we do, i feel that we have no rights out here because of this! My husband wants to meet him ( if you catch my drift) but what will happen to us??? what can we do we could end up being thrown out over this. its just not fair. I cant change were i walk the dogs as the reason i take them there is its perfect , i can let them off the lead and generally no one is about in the area - thou its by a big road thats how he spotted me. i did think about the veil - then realised that would be worse a veiled lady walking two dogs would stop traffice! i dont know why hes doing it! Thank you everyone for writing on this and offering all you help! its so sweet and makes me feel a lot better about the world! Its just i feel that i have no rights here!

Faz favor

It is NOT about being horny. That is wrong. It is about power, bullying and control. He has pinpointed his victim and he is getting a real power trip. If it was about sex drive he could just visit a prostitute. It is more that that.

And BBksiu and Terramax wearing a veil won't help that much. I really don't think the veil is great protection - but I think a cattle prodder is. Wearing a veil can make you seem more vunerable sometimes as they think a veiled lady is less likely to complain than a western lady.

Instead of telling charmed what to do I want to know charmed what would you like us to do for you???

What place is that where men are so horny that the only protection for women is to use a veil?

If there would have been no separation of genders from the beginning, if there would have been norma interaction between boys and girls, men and women, it would have never got to this extent.

BBksiu - not drinking you should worry about, but the fact that your lifestyle is a fertile ground for creating such perverts.

The number of abandoned dogs in Qatar is increasing. An ill dog could bite one of the people. Then, the people would bite us. As I know, a Yemeni man who was bited by an ill dog, bited a child and the child died.

I suggest giving your dog to the police, not walking alone outside house (i.e. with brother, husband, father, uncle, old son) & completelly cover yourself when going out.

He & other men should not bother females even if they are not completelly covering themselves.

Aisha, ur right!

We are the one who will show reactions first.

Either physically , by showing w/ our face, shouting at him!

I've done these too, many times i just ca'nt hold my temper, should i wait for a police to come?

Really i hate these kind of men! (kelby!)

It's common here but it's very hard for us..as women.

He still up to his tricks.....

Damn, now I really need to have Anex here.... This guy would be the perfect protection work target....

Hehehehe..... I can see him running down the road with a great big german sherpherd in full fight mode behind him.....

Will have a car soon, then I will come with you daily... k...

X

There is a New Idea to be used here in qatar ... actually it's used in egypt from many years ago ...

This is way is to embaress him in the following way:

First of all while u r walking just stop at once ... ofcourse he will think that "wow i did it" when he comes close to talk to u shout at his face with the louder voice that god have given to u .. this will embaress him i'm sure .. if there is any body walking in the street at least wil be looking at the idiot .. ur dog(s) will smell ur adrenaline which is secreted in ur body when u r in action mode .. the dogs r very smarts to understand that he is bothering u ..and may be they attack him.. i'm very sure he wil never ever do it again ...

but keep it silent .. This is the egyptian's gals top secrets how to deal with an idiot following u ..

"A Daughter is a Daughter till the end of life, But a Son is a Son till he gets a wife"

one thing that is a bit gross but always works, next time you see him, screw up your nose, hock up a big lugie and spit it on the ground. he'll be grossed out and probably put off.

the veil doesnt help matters if you are walking alone, when i do that i just get stalked by guys in beards rather than guys in bling.

he would recognise your dogs and know its you anyway.

big and scary german shepard dog or labrador at least..hehehe which is bark alot. I'm sure those guy wont come..not even dare to stare at me.

Where do you walk your dogs? And at what time? I'm sure that there are some ladies on the forum (if you'd prefer female company) who'd be glad to help out.

This brings up an idea that I'll probably make a different thread but would there be any interest in forming walking group to go walking along the Corniche? At this time, I'm thinking of just ladies...and this would be for exercise.

for the comments and the offers of help, i just needed to get this off my mind and get other people opinions on the situation. The main thing is i have his number plate and went to the police and they didnt do a thing - i then went higher than the local police station and they didnt do a thing. i have reported this twice now to them, the first time i didnt have his plate ( hes very clever and keeps the car pointed so its hard for me to see ) and they helped out and tried to catch him, then i finally got the plate and gave it to them - when they found out who he was nothing happened and i dont think it will happen. I now know the rumours that if someone is a certain person they can do anything are true. The thing is i have to walk my dogs at a certain time as i have work all day - my husband now comes with me which means he has had to change his work hours, but he wont be able to do that everyday- so far we think we have seen him hanging around the area everyday this week! But what can we do - if the police wont do anything then we have no rights to do anything to him to make him stop. how can this be fair that we have no rights against someone who is percieved to be untouchable? And also he offers iliegal substances too which i told the police about and nothing! And he knows things which i didnt believe a muslim man would know about and says things which are beyond disgusting i dont know how or where he has learnt these things. it really worries me not only for my safety but for other peoples safety.

Just grab him by the balls and say he's not even close !

(just kidding by the way)

definately get this guy's license plate and report him.

I'll be glad to keep you company as well...I need to get out and exercise so this'll be good.

And I do not agree that because of some sick men outside women HAVE TO cover their faces. The solution is that sick men should get a recovery or a punishment.. Women ,on the other hand, should know how to defend themselves and stand for their rights..

Charmed, I do not hesitate fighting “verbally” with the guy and stand for my right to be respected. As long as you didn’t do anything wrong be strong and stop him with a serious reaction on your behalf.. Threaten with a police call..etc.

The most important thing: LOOK SERIOUS, girl!… make him know for sure that he has no chance.. some times men of this type get stupid accepting rejection so they just don’t get it.. BE CLEAR do not confuse that creature.

Contact me if you need a help.I’ll be more than happy giving you a hand in this.. Gosh, men like him make me sickkkkkkkk…

Report him to the police.. believe me it's the right thing to do. Men like him get extremely cowered in theses situations. If I were you I would've done it. Not that I didn't do it before with my own police :-) (my brother hehe)

Alone in Doha... you are wrong and your belief in the veil is naive.

Women who cover/wear veils get hassle too.

Yes men do dare to do those things to a women wearing a veil - you are completely wrong.

I have seen men leer just as much at veiled ladies as unveiled.

Men who do this will not be that deterred by clothing.

The onus is on the idiot to learn some respect and social skills not on charmed to cover. If the pervie realises she has veiled up he will probably get a real kick because his actions are having power over her. So actually veiling could have a worse consequence.

Charmed: change your routine.

Is this happening along the Corniche?

If you want a walking buddy let me know. I often go there.

Dear Vasquez,

Veil is something that can protect her from being recognized easily. Rest is upto her own cultural and religious practices. I suggested one that is practiced in our culture and religion. But I can assure you, I'm not talking about the west but if someone is going veiled in this country, nobody dares to do such things as she mentioned above no matter how bad he is.

Though it looks tough job but women practicing veiled can better explain the comfort.

I'm sorry charmed for what have been happened to you and I never said with an intention that you must wear a veil. I just told you what I found helpful. Rest is if you really have someone in power then putting him behind the bars will be a quick remedy

Hmmm....sounds like a job for AHMA.....diamond watch and private plate you say? i think he would outbid you for my protection services...better call the police.

Wrong attitude is very common here. If you have the right wasta you will be above the law.

if this behavior is really bothering you then you could try capturing him on your mobile phone, if you have camera with it, record it, and if you plan to report it to the police, well you have proof then.

wee bit risky, dont know how far it will succeed, but why not try. get his plate number too on the phone camera.its just a suggestion, but do be careful.

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if he is following you, and its a pattern, then why are u still walking out alone.

why are you inviting trouble to yourself, nothing may happen to him, but you need to look after yourself. somehow having dogs with you doesnt deter him from stalking you.

get someone to accompany you while you walk your dogs, and dont walk in the evenings or in isolated areas.

oh please try reporting to the police, so what if its a private plate, they may at least give him a warning.

happy heart

drive safe because someone is waiting for you at home

Why should a veil help that she is being stalked by a pervert? He should be put behind bars instead - that's such a wrong attitude!

When the s*** hits the fan...

Either you live your life your way and let him bother you or put a veil on your face and seek help from God and pray for him to become a good guy. God has created us and He can change anybody provided you pray sincerely.

Wish you good luck!!

Either you live your life your way and let him bother you or put a veil on your face and seek help from God and pray for him to become a good guy. God has created us and He can change anybody provided you pray sincerely.

Wish you good luck!!

This guy wants a date with you so badly. Try not to go out alone. Always go with friends or family. Is he Arab anyway? Take care.

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just note down his plate number and report him to police. Thats all.

You know what they say? Too many Clowns not enough circuses!

pity on them that god who created beautiful things on earth created these ugly creatures too..

Ignore them as they are mentally challenged!!

wish god will help them

insha allah

I would offer to walk with you, if the time permits, as I work till around 7pm.

Hopefully I will have my dog by then as well!