Go back all - Read the original premise - the truth - one way or the other - its not about economics, its about ecology, physics and the biomass pyramid!

A belief arrived at without logic, learning and science - cannot be changed using logic learning and science.

One doesn't believe in logic - one understands it. Democracy is a belief, as are other social constructs, none are logical. Every specie exists because it found its ecological space - our belief that we have the right to destroy anything because we are humans is killing it all at a rate beyond belief.

65% of the fish in the sea have been fished in last 25 years - leaving just 35% for our children for all time.
Belief vs Logic