Why can’t Qatar do the same?

nothing to worry about.

I'll give you a good example why this 160 is not a problem (really EXCEPT it is violation of the limit):

In corniche or in may parts of Doha, the speed limit is 80, you go beyond that, technically it's illegal. But you can drive 100 or 120 (at nightime when there are less car)BUT of course you will pay the fine.

In areas where the speed limit is 120, you can drive to 140 or 160 BUT again, you have to pay the fine if caught.

For me, the 80, 120, 160 are just numbers, it's the attitude (the discipline) that counts.

Who will say that driving at 60 you will not die if you met an accident? No one is sure!

Kuya Flor NO you did not recommend 160..

I said will you recommend if the US and Britain have these limits as you've inquired about their speed limits..

But digesting what u have said, driving at 16o is the same as driving at 120 which for me your not against driving at 160 if your not reckless..

My reason why we should not drive at 160 is because its less manageable and you did not agree with it rather you said using big cars its manageable..

Now if you dint mean it these way then I guess were on the same side.. So I guess we stop arguing and help install many dummy cameras..

("naniniwala pa din aku ang pinoy ay magkasangga di ung nag lalaglagan kasi pang skwater lang un kuya")

That will be all kuya..

when did I recommended 160?

ohh dear this is goin really ugly....

you mean your so brilliant that i cannot comprehend what your sayin???

nahhh.. maybe its our age gap and im young to dispute things with you..

well i guess its my bad.. i respect the elderly..

long live Flor..

try to digest my comments properly, ok?

Did I ever recommended 160? How many times did I say 160 is ILLEGAL? or you still can't understand ILLEGAL?

Flor..

what if the speed limit of freeways in the US or Britain is 160 - 180 MILES per hour???

will it back your claim and recommend these limits here???

what's the speed limit?

I never said 160 is fine, I said, for big SUV, 160 is manageable but illegal. If you still can't figure the difference, I gave up!

I think someone needs to attend basic math classes again.

Work out meters per second at 120kph and the same for 160kph. Then work out how much ground you cover due to your reaction time to an incident. You will see a big difference.... or maybe not as your car is wrapped around a concrete posts with your brains all over the dash.

I also think there should be equally high fines for those who drive UNDER the speed limit...especially on the left lane.\

And those who are in the inside lane in a roundabout and cut through all lanes because it just hit them that they need to turn.....

What about those who don't care about fines? Or those who have their fines "eliminated" ?

I support the dummy cameras approach, cheap and equally effective as real ones, if they look just as real ones from outside. Spread them all over the country so that speedy drivers get tired of guessing

good drivers don't go against traffic laws..

so don't you worry well be owkie..

the thing is you wont be enjoying your big car that is manageable at 160 if cameras will be all over..

do you know who suffer more on these cameras? The good drivers or shall we say, the poor drivers!

why dummy cameras if they can afford to install a real one..

they all have the means..

well one reason could be, since most of locals drive big cars they won't agree on installing many cameras for them to enjoy driving at high speeds..

from breaking the law. We were discussing a speed that is manageable. I said, in big SUV, 160 is manageable BUT that is beyond speed limit so it's still illegal.

I commented that, actually what I suggested was to bluff the motorist by installing dummy cameras. Since these undisciplined drivers are fooling themselves, then why not fool them by fake cameras.

Let me try yours??? nahh no need...

manageable at 160 still beyond the speed limit..

I still go with my thoughts that adding more cameras will lessen accidents..

Your suggestion of "discipline" is not feasible these days..

And I won't agree with your thoughts that you can Over Speed if your not reckless and driving a SUV ..

and you'll know how it is!

ahahaha.. ohh boi..

No wonder LC are so fast.. becoz its still manageable at 160kph..

sorry man i don't go with your thoughts..

but of course it's beyond the limit. Now if you still don't get it, hard to explain if you don't understand driving!

Saw 3 accidents in a row on d Ring today...no cruisers involved though...was those people who drive 40kmph in the left lane...MORONS

Its quite clear to me . You need all the help in understanding ,you are the one cracking your head to get a grip

ohh boi..

i said 120 is manageable than 160 coz u ask the difference..

so getting the insight of flor..

you can speed up till 240kph as long as your not reckless is that what you mean flor???

do you drive? Are you a disciplined driver? What's your speed?

flor thats fallacy . and you are really bad at that .

Highway Engineering?

What's the difference between 120 and 160, of course the numbers but when you are driving, NONE! Whether you are driving even at 60 or 80, if you are reckless, it is the same thing.

Tigabaguio, if 120 is manageable, the you will agree that 100 is more manageable. And very manageable for 30. You think it's safe to run at 30 in that part of Mesaeed road (the 18 kms stretch you're saying)?

Flor..

I work in Mesaeed..

From Wakra last round abount to Mesaeed first round about is 18kms where the 3 cameras are located..

Reaching QP, QASCO, QAPCO, Mesaaed Industrial City would average to 12kms with no single cameras installed..

MIC to Mesaeed Sealine beach dont have cameras either..

Ofcors 120kph is more manageable.. 40kph difference from 120kph-160kph is not the same as 0kph-40kph..

At 160kph cars have lesser grip of the tire to the asphalt road than 120kph..

so it matters..

I consider the number of Qataris killed to be a national health emergency. And the difference between 120 and 160 is certainly significant. That's why engineers build the roads to the standard of a 120 kph speed LIMIT!

Mandi

and 120 is not slow. Is there a difference between a 140 or 160 and 120 if an accident will happen? The key is discipline.

And I doubt about the numbers of locals getting killed in road accidents be a good start-up for the government to do something.

Qatar will become extinct..

Like that statement..

The government should prepare for these then..

Build a safe breeding ground to save their specie..

LOL..

You would think that Qatar didn't have that many young men to spare. I would imagine it's getting to the point of a national emergency. What percentage of young men are being slaughtered on the roads in Qatar? Surely it is significant. When it becomes a critical mass something will be done. I worry about the gene pool even now. It has to be severely diminished. Each young man who loses his life leaves a void of an average of, say, six children. That's a lot to lose with such small population. Qatar will become extinct just from auto accidents. Makes you think ...

Mandi

hahahah...replace a cruiser with a bus..THAT I'd like to see!

How about improving on public transportation so that ppl’s reliance on privately owned cars becomes less and relatively also car accidents.

Good suggestion brit..

imprisonment or car confiscation will do..

but these has a slim chance coz it will endanger the locals of jail and a parking space for cars that are confiscated..

Adding more cameras can also help..

Like my way to Mesaaeed.. it only has 3 cameras for 30kms span.. like 1 cam every 10 kilometers..

If a LC memorizes the 3 cameras they can speed up to 160- 240kph then just slow down on 3 spots for 120kph..

Qatar has the means, they can put as many cameras if they want to lessen accidents..

Agreed . Confiscate te car and lock them up for a minimum of 7 days..

Fines aren't going to work here. The rich don't care and the poor can't afford them!

Fines don't work either. Imprisonment is the answer!

Seen many many awareness organs. They don't work. What s needed are heavy fines and enforcement of laws..

It's all about mentality.

that he or she won't answer his/her cel when it rings while driving? Honestly I said!

I think what would be best would be instead of the beeping sound

The car should say " BUCKLE UP " over and over again lmao

Awarness wont do anything, people are not interested, its implementation which matters like

* Speed Governers.

* The person shouldnt able to drive the car until the seat belt is buckled.

If these two things are done then there will be a substantial amount of decrease in accidents.

Conventional awareness methods are no longer effective, they became old. We need to step up the approach. Publishing daily statistics of accidents in all national papers, including identities of those involved in fatal accidents, for example. Some social responsibility must be introduced.

Incidentally, Toyota agent in Qatar put a quarter page ad today in Al-Raya of which they say that they have arranged 5 daily prizes to be handed out to best drivers, and that would be decided by traffic police. A good start, one can make statistics and involve other dealers to do something and reduce the accidents of car brands they sell.

The Salem Cinema awareness features a National - thats not a coincidence. You want to get serious about public awareness - start with the root causes - speed and irresponsibility.

As has been said before - the law should come down heavily on irresponsibility on the roads - it doesnt - therefore the law and its upholders together with the judiciary are at fault. You address one side of the equation and the other will come into balance soon enough - whilst certain elements of this society drive secure in the knowledge that they will NOT be held accountable for their actions on the roads, then nothing of any significance will change. I would like to see custodial sentences levied across the board proportional to the offence irrespective of nationality. Until that happens, threads like this are pi..ing in the wind.

Chairboy :I’m talking about public participation in creating this awareness and the spreading of thereof.

In the US they made a campaign showing the bloody, torn bodies of accidents. But, people get used to it. It's what they see on the bloody TV series every day.

Well if the two accidents on my way to work this morning are any indication, it didn't work.

Also, we had a presentation lately from the Yas Marina Circuit (they go around before the F1 every year to schools and uni's to promote safe driving) and apparently only 14% of Emirati's wear a seat belt and 98% don't buckle in their children.

When parents will still have kids in their cars just roaming about and not in proper child seats and not even a seat belt, while would they car about themselves or others on the road?

Awareness is one thing but most campaigns are ignored here by certain communities who believe it does not apply to them. Take smoking in the malls, some people will sit underneath the signs saying no smoking and just carry on.

Until the police implement, stop and fine and then jail time for repeat offenders nothing will happen.

A simple one to start. If you are speeding and hit a pedestrian then its a minimum one year in jail and 3 year suspension of your licence. This has to be applicable to all, local and expat.

Awareness!!! Do as much as one wants to, but nothing is going to change until alongwith awareness the public is told that the rules would be implemented too irrespective of wasta and who you are. Until the later is taken care of none of these awareness campaigns or anything else is going to work.

We have Salem!!!! Dont you GO to the Cinema - what more deterent do you need?? Its all there - Land cruiser, mobile phone, seat belt not being worn, token Indian guy looking in with nothing better to do.............

If people paid attention to the warnings in the cinema Qatar would be a much safer place...............

in france they even invited car crash survivors with permanent disabilities, to warn u of speeding, and careless driving. when an overspeeding car is stopped, and being booked, a child in wheelchair will look at u and just ask u one question: "sir, why were u speeding?".