Teacher exodus in DMIS

Kick baazigar's

It is not about the state , it is just about the quality.

Some examples are :

Usually North Indians say "Etty" for "Eighty"

Hour is pronounced as "HHawar"

It is not just the syllabus, the Indian syllabus is not bad.

The western teaching style has some good advantages over the normal Indian style.

The Indian approach is more of mugging up and spitting it out on the exam answer sheets, this needs improvement.

Teachers keep changing in DMIS due to less pay......hardly 2500 QAR to 3000 QAR only......but more load.

thats y!!! every 3 to 4 months keep changing. Management has to revise the salary structure as what they earn from Students/ companies.

Yes I am aware of the same and it is a huge step and indeed needs a high will power and dedication.

What i meant was compared to other international curriculam, Idian teachers are paid less while the amout of dedication and work remains the same!

I've seen a parent talking to one of the teachers in raised tone while all the other parents and students were present in the same room.(I had accompanied a friend to her child's open evening). What impression would that have on the child? Would the child and other children present there respect this teacher after such a scene. While its the right of the parents to know what is happenning at school and intimidate their apprehensions to the school management they must also try to understand the cause of certain situations.

Megan, in India salary for government jobs (school) are decided by the Pay Commision. It is good but taxable at source. Private school salaries in India are pathetic. I personally feel that salary alone can not be a motivation for teachers to perform or for that matter in any job. (I say with experience as did some odd jobs with high salary package). Teaching is a job which requires tremendous dedication - a thankless job. The school management can do a lot to uplift the spirit of teachers.

As far as parent interference is concerned, I am not sure what exactly you mean by that. You should be happy as a parent. I feel parents have a right to convey their opinion, ofcourse in a decent manner.

Do you know that in India teachers are taking special training to absorb 'Special Needs' children in mainstream schools ? You may imagine the amount of dedication and patience required for that.

Hi All,

Much has been said about the above topic. Yes, I too agree that there is a serious decline in the teaching standards of teachers appointed there. Whle one or two may stand apart, all others have poor communication skills in english and the tone is 'malluish'. It doesn't matter from which state the teachers have been appointed as long as it doesn't affect the education of our children.

And, here I would also like to add about the state of teachers. They are all stressed out to the very core and paid a mere scale of 2500-2800. Do you think this is a respectable pay scale for the 'elite group' the teachers belong to? How will they get the motivation to do their best for this amount. Of. course the management immediately converts the figure in INR and says they are paid higher than what the teachers get in India. But according to the living conditions here is this amount sufficient? When the fee structure is the highest in DMIS, why shouldn't the teachers (here I mean all the teachers irrespective of what level they teach)out of it? That could be a capsule to boost their morale and motivate them to do more and which ultimately would benifit our own children.Also, parental influence should be kept to minimum unless utmost necessary.

Also, I would like to add that I find the principal of the school very fake. I have personally met him twice on different occassions and both the times he tried to impose his thoughts on us (me and my husband) without actually listening to what we had to say.

I would like to know what you all think about the points I mentioned above.

Thnx

All I can say is keep your head in the sand if that is what you want. Good luck to you.

Different parents have different perception about what is right for their kids, so they choose the schools accordingly. You conclude that Indian parents choose western curriculum over Indian as it is not globally competitive, --------

((When given a choice many Indians choose a Western or international (read Western) curriculum. Westerners, when given a choice, do not choose the Indian curriculum. Given this fact, it would suggest that the Indian curriculum needs serious improvement in order to be globally competitive. This is not much different than what a number of posters have already written.)))-----

This is misinterpretation. Other posters are suggesting ALL curriculum need change (whether Indian or western)with time. All over the world in every school there are same topics taught. There is not much of a difference. The difference lies in evaluating the child . Indian curriculum lacked a proper system of evaluation but it has incorporated a lot of changes recently. Anyways, education alone can not create the likes of Amartya Sen and CV Raman.

My point is íf most people buy a certain brand soap (say "soap A") and some people feel that it is 'The Best' the brand "soap B" does'nt automatically becomes 2nd grade.

WTF?!?!

When given a choice many Indians choose a Western or international (read Western) curriculum. Westerners, when given a choice, do not choose the Indian curriculum. Given this fact, it would suggest that the Indian curriculum needs serious improvement in order to be globally competitive. This is not much different than what a number of posters have already written.

Mr Frenchieman - Quotes

""-----I am not arguing about the ability of a race. I am arguing that the Indian curriculum does a disservice to those forced to study it, which is why Indians flock to Western schools and universities in droves. How many Americans travel to India to study at Indian universities; how many British-born kids in Qatar are at Indian schools? Now how about the reverse?-----""""

I do not buy this logic. Indian parents have an option of putting their children in schools other than Indian schools and they do so. This does not make the Indian curriculum inferior in any way. I would equate this as westerners coming to India and learning Indian culture, sanskrit, mystesism, yoga. Do I ASSSUME that their culture is missing something (don't think so).

Moderators - You have issued me a warning (Inbox) --- 'stop racist bating' for my response to Frenchieman's comment !!!! I teach Indian curriculum and hence the loyality and urge to clear misconceptions related to it. Please feel free to do remove me if you feel I am instigating racial comments although I think not. However, as a last wish to the 'KILLER MODERATOR' (last wish should be granted as an obligation) please remove all my comments and thread started by me. Atleast I get killed for the right cause. An 'educationist martyr' of sorts. :)

Mr. Ratan - I apologise in advance for my blood all over your thread in case I am murdered.And for the little DEBATE. If it is any consolation, I saved your thread from sinking. May be more DMIS parents will approach you.

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Mom_me..Frenchieman is so right..Even in India, IB/ IGCSE schools are in great demand. the question is "as parents/ teachers, what can we do about it?"(other than enrolling our kids in an non-indian school that is..)

Sorry, I thought we were talking about school curriculums.

I am not arguing about the ability of a race. I am arguing that the Indian curriculum does a disservice to those forced to study it, which is why Indians flock to Western schools and universities in droves. How many Americans travel to India to study at Indian universities; how many British-born kids in Qatar are at Indian schools? Now how about the reverse?

Seen westerners lining up for Indian doctors (who have studied Indian curriculum) and indian scientist being absorbed in west. Never seen any Indian or other naionality making medical tours to western country though.

You're saying Westerners routinely line up to attend Indian school? Please. In all my time here I have not heard of one, yet Doha College's upper school is effectively South Asian by ethnicity, much like the rest of the English schools. The only exception is DESS, which preference British passport holders, but even it seems to have every Indian in the country that can claim a UK passport.

Don't get me wrong. I don't blame these parents for a second. I would do the same thing in their shoes, because the Indian curriculum is archaic.

many non-indians are lining up to go to Indian schools the same way Indians are lining up to get into non-Indian schools

No one outside the Indians are lining up to go to Indian schools here. But Indians line up in droves to get into DESS, Doha College, etc. Not so much ASD.

Lots of flaws in any curriculum, and depends largely on the teachers implementing it. But the best judge is how many other nationalities flock to its schools. In other words are the Indian schools burdened with long waiting lists of English, American, Canadian, South African, Qatari kids trying to get in to take advantage of a grade curriculum. Or is it the other way around? I am betting that the good British schools are packed full of kids from other nationalities and the they American school has some foreigners.

@s_isale wat type of dance they want:

hip hop

salsa

belly dance

or wat???

and wat music:

jazz

classical

disco

nowadays CBSE also want the kids to sing and dance as to improve their expression skills.

CBSE is good but the thing is we had to memorize one or more paragraphs for a 6 or 8 mark questions especially in history and geography.

dipping tie in holy water and monthly tests - what a relation

MOM_me- dipping one's school tie in holy water before the exams...ROTFL

I guess the word morals threw me for a bit - social values I'd term it. yeah, we do that.

Morals as in compassion / empathy / bit on anger management in young children / respecting others .....no trouble uptil now. The nuns in my school taught me something called 'Moral Science' which was more than the 10 commandments and dipping one's school tie in holy water before the monthly exams.

Just a question - whose moral values?

In a culturaly diverse environment who is to say that a parent wouldn't object to you instructing their children in what you percive as moral or immoral?

That's a mine field I tend to avoid. Acceptable and unacceptable behavior in school, yes. But morality is a touchy subject - it can be discussed but I wouldn't impose my values on a student.

:)

Adey, you may be a passionate teacher (and so am I to a certain extent), but my focus is more on moral values in between my science lectures. What ever you mentioned are very important set of values. (BTW, I went thru Sir Ken Robinson - very educational)

Edifis : All is not lost - we do have yoga.

Secondary education is for (in no particular order):

Learning how to think

Facilitating flexabilty in thought

Fostering an attitude for, and ability to, engage in life long learning.

Being prepared for adult life, not a specific job as such.

Fostering a wide range of interests and talents

Promoting self confidence and self motivation.

All of the above under the umbrella of the 'traditional' school subjects - but other students may acheive this and are better suited to more 'alternative areas of study

I think post 18 education is where ant specific job preparation should take place.

The other two vids are slower, more informal and have less jargon.

CBSE curriculum had no many flaws during my school years that I can't even begin to type.

Good thing is that they have paid attention to them and there have been many welcome changes in the past decade or so.

Oh and CBSE or ICSE boards don't follow the traditional Indian education system.

Indians do not follow the traditional Indian system of education, as we do not learn much about the Vedas and the Sastras and the great epics like Mahabharata & Ramayana.

Sir Ken Robinson , funny and educational - agree 100%. Some problem with the second one.

Adey, your first clip was - how should I put it - a bit too fast and heavy for my slow system - snippets and jargon , so I did'nt dare to open the next two. I have been exposed to two systems 1. Indian tradional educational system as a teacher 2. Arabic school while helping my boss make a few educational flash clips.

I ask you - Should the purpose of educating a child be

a) preparing him/her for job

b) just pleasure of learning things.

Cause a teacher has a limited time and your clip suggests the first.

Wasn't just knocking the Indian education system - undoubtedly it has been successful(I would still say for a small minority)......rather all systems have to wake up to the changing nature of oppotunities and work in the future.

A one size fits all approach will no longer cut it for the future.

:)

Yes..real nice video.. as parents we must change our traditional views on education.

Im waiting for my son to experience CBSEi. from what ive heard, it is really stress-free and dmis cbsei is really doing good.

The traditional system of education has given India loads of Nobel laureates. So it must be working. Although I must say things have changed a lot from when I was a student.

Adey, just went thru'the first youtube clip. I do agree with your views about Indian parents dictating career paths of their children, however many things in India are cultural and hard to explain. Some random info :

1. The CBSE eductaion system has added 'Çhinese' as a third language.

2. Indian government has made education free for girls upto secondary level.

'Thats the demand of the indian curicullam'.....

I am going to stereotype now,sorry about that, but in my experience Indian parents have a very old fashioned view of education, no doubt based on their own experiences. They also dominate the future educational/career paths of their children in a most dictatorial way regardless of the ability, apptitude or interests of said children.

Just for a different outlook, have a look at these:

:)

Thats the demand of the indian curicullam. cbsei is different,I have good things about it. I wish all classes have it. My son is in grade 4 so he missed it, but i think next year all classes will have the option

If by "best" you mean DMIS is the best of the typical Indian schools that overburdens student with silly amounts of homework and teaching memorization rather than creativity, then I agree.

Raise your standards!

I think DMIS is the best Indian school in Doha ever! We all have Indian accents or Indianisms, some of us who r lucky to have been educated in metros are much better off. I havent seen any indian school in doha which has strict quality control measures. Last year they put an Academic Auditor in place.

And no school is perfect..but whenever I've raised concerns in the past, through a call or an email, those have been taken care of. We should think of the school as a family. When you have problems with the family, do you stand on the rooftops and shout or sort it out so that you can help? If you have a problem, you should take it up at school rather than talk nonsense here.

Overall I think it is our typical indian mentality..we 'talk' about things rather than asking ourselves what we can do to change things. I consider myself to be an active parent who feels involved in what the school does, and make it a point to talk to the concerned people.

How do we know you are not one of those disgruntled teachers (or her relative) who were kicked out of the school because you couldnt meet their standards?

Did anyone notice...Oooops...shanawazt the bug owner

Yup I wanted to give an answer to his dumb comments but he was already gone.

Brit remember being able to sign your name is considered literacy in India. My state lags far behind on every parameter of literacy so I am not the best person to pass comment on this

I've always been told that Kerala has the highest literacy rate in the country...

If it is factually accurate that the standards of a Teacher are lower if they are from Kerala, how is that hatred exactly?

p.s, I don't know if that is true, it just seems to be the consensus on here.

I would accept blind mis-information as hate, but if is accurate that they are of a lower teaching standard, how is that vitriolic?

Qhris wrong thread :)

ghazalaz I think hate & love are two most abused emotions in the world, hate is not as common as we think it is.

wrong thread. carry on.

So, in your opinion whyteknight, they're doing right as this type of hate has proven globally :(

ghazalz it is normal in every country. In Spain people from Basque country look at Catalans differently, in Canada people from Quebec behave differently to the people elsewhere, in England people from London think of themselves as superior to the people in north, in USA southern states are seen differently. The reasons vary from country to country but people from different parts of a country don't necessarily get along even though they may rise as one in front of external forces.

Why do some people hate the south?

and my question to the OP do you speak similar to natives?

TLS is looking for a job. Tinkerbell, i suggest you forward the CV ..

Ant01 why would you want your kid to work in a BPO?

Well if you want your kid to be a failure then it is your call, who am I to object.

To the OP, all Indian schools in Qatar are below par, you want your kid to get a quality education then make some sacrifices and enroll him/her in a school in India.

I personally will never ever enroll my kids in Indian schools in Qatar.

One of Laxman's cartoons showed a meeting of the U.N. in progress. The speaker was an Indian and one delegate was saying to the other, "There should be an interpreter to translate his English into English."

Fact is a fact. If you want to get a good job in a BPO you need to speak clear, faultless English.

Also the same if you want to join an airline as Cabin Crew.

Don't make fun of other's hanidcap.It might be you one day

Why Indians want british kids?

Nallade.......

lol ROFL LMAO

Please do not use this wonderful site to criticize educational institutes...at the end of the day you are not going to achieve any thing. The good schools stay as strong as they are.

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1773340

Slman let alone ql u might wanna check YouTube ipl comment page

Indians suck every where

Hei You guys.

What is this. You guys are displaying bad side of the country in public....

First, why didn’t this one still not closed by the MOD?

BUT it will be more advisable to stop bashing each other and find a solution for this issue.

I feel that parents are worst than new teachers. Teachers will be with the students only 6-8 hrs. rest they will be with you. HOW U ALL GOING TO TEACH THEM...

Than ENGLISH ur child need GOOD ATTITUDES and HABITS. first make ur self good in those and then think abt the English or what ever.

I'm so disappointed to read this thread. and asking from all to respect ur country. this is a public forum and all are reading though they dont comment.

so please, keep the respect of ur country first.(INDIA)

NOTE: this is not to check my English. DO NOT COMMENT ON MY GRAMMAR, SPELLING…

@bazigar im just giving my suggestion but i would not reccomend sir like VS PILLAI

dont you think you are demanding stuff which is impossible

Asif khan I cannot see the pic

but they need to stop their racism, reason:

1.Where are you from - Kerala.

2.Because of the above India and kerala seems 2 different nations to other nationalities.

3.mallus are biased.

4.me myself was M.E.S ex student 90% student and teachers are kerala , how can sumone who dont know abcd of hindi allowed to teach hindi.

i dont care if a teacher is from kerela or non-kerela but he must have a good teaching quality.

asif_khan hahaha

@bazigar did someone say PILLAI SIR???? oh he was the best in ..........................

I feel sorry for Ratan.

Indigo-res : I am not sure what you mean by teachers are housewives and not professional ? Do you mean they do not have valid degrees/training for teaching. Or are you suggesting that those who teach should not have a family ? Please clarify.

Relived to rajnikanth

Sir exactly how many jokes have been made on you

Rajni:2 or 3 jokes

Repoter: sir 2 or 3(shocked)

Rajni :yanna rascalla rest all are facts

i m ready to shake hand. wht about coconut oil

I see this thread getting locked

Ketan and shraddha please don't get personal. I am sure you both are having friends from different parts of India. Now shake hands and be good. :)

i m fine buddy.. check ur PM !!

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Two girls' death linked to Kerala sex scandal : http://www.sify.com/news/two-girls-death-linked-to-kerala-sex-scandal-news-national-ldrsOghfdgh.html

Sex scandal forces Kerala minister to go down " http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/feb/12keral2.htm

I completely agree with tinkerbell. If accent is the only problem, north Indians have there own set - Bihari accent, bengali, punjabi, gujju .....Teacher should be compassionate and help guide the child.

As for accented english I have heard australian english (accent) which is completely different from an american or british or 'Irish' or german. I had to strain my ears in order to understand and make sense of what exactly they were talking about.

As Tinkerbell says, you can correct your child if they are pronouncing a word in an incorrect way.

pls stand up pls stand up and sing the National Anthem and dont you dare google :)

Ketan parekh long time no see where have u been buddy

Vikram Pandit (born January 14, 1957 in Nagpur) is an Indian-born American CEO of Citigroup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram_Pandit

[Nagpur is a city in the state of Maharashtra,]

LIB ur comment is too offensive and I see it getting it deleted and so this thread

This topic was opened with a genuine intention, but there appears to be lot of bashing. Mods may please remove this thread.

ru baazigar's sister

You are correct red street in mumbai

All corruptures are from mumbai, Delhi, Bihar etc......

Yeah DPS ! School of Deposit Fee + Fee.Recent news that they are going to increase Admission Deposit Fee which was already 1000 and now one more.(i will pay them dam).They have a big poster of the new school building but since three years haven't seen even a brick of new building as said in Wakara.Why not their salaries should 13k or whatever.......

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all of them equally good in gossiping,dividing and of coz back stabbing..what do they do other than eating chat and having chat.....phew...

no wonder u don't see any north people in any CEO position.

I don't understan

During in vs Pak they wrote sheet every where,rude comments for Pak

And now ipl in csi vs ktk one idiot called dhoni a gawar n another one wrote no one can beat mallus

Indians they suck every where :(

Ok Baba... All Peoples have a nice weekend. Have a nice bash baba. All peoples will never Yarrrr...

Excellent..... I seconded you

True fact

Baziger is not an Indian , he born and Broughtup in Qatar, ie a Popcon Boy, he doesnot know what is India

Baziger - get life

langueage-language

A bashing thread after a long time.............

shall we continue &*^%$$^7 ^%%$&&*

Happy to see that ppl are bashing each others states on ql for a change

Indians u suck every where ,on forums ,comment on YouTube ipl match yukk

change your kid school, i suggest any Pakistani or Arabic school.

well said

Baziger if you dont like other nationalities, get lost you moran

Tinkerbell.. I do agree with you.

Mod pls close the thread

our company fired such hinglish speakers out.all ppl from Mumbai or Delhi act too smart.but all are useless.

you can check with our boss,who is an Australian national.he fired these so called Delhi ppl due to hinglish.come on this isn't joke.one of my ex-colleague while drafting a business email wrote "yaar please do the needful (she actually wrote nedfull)and the worse part she spoke to a Filipino in hinglish who complained.whew

I thing you got screwed by some mallus.

Don’t Bark , go and listen the conversation of Dhoni and Sachin, it is horrible

if you want Better English send your child to European countries, else shout up

Ratan... I understand your point. Do you know how much DPS, DMIS or BPS pay a good teacher.. 12 K to 3K. There is a high turn over of teachers for this exact reason.

Dear Kallivalli, I feel betrayed because there were good teachers in the school when I chose that school. Now the situation has changed, and that too soon after everyone paid the fees.

Sorry for any mallu bashing that has resulted from this topic, my intention was not that. I feel bad because the school could not keep its teachers and went for cheaper options.

Poor baazigar... Another Non Keralite Indian in GCC who has developed the malluphobia......

show me a delhi or mumbai guy/girl pronouncing YUM instead of M blease

go tone it urself

I agree with Shradha.. Mumbai or Delhi English is nothing better than Mallu English when it comes to a native English speaking person.

My kid went to DPS for one year and I paid the same fee as DMIS but my kid was going to a porta cabin class with window A/C and not even basic facilities. I took out the kid from DPS to DMIS only since they dont even have a proper escape route in the school (leave alone a proper fire alarm system). The teacher was from Mumbai in DPS and she speaks horrible English.

Teachers are paid penuts and every one knows that most of them are house wifes and not professionals. Considering the number of Keralites in the country it is expected that more number of teachers will be them.

Sorry Ratan... You can not take legal action with some one for employing teachers from Kerala. My advise... Take the kid out and go some where else...

now i know from where you are (where lungi is the national dress )

go tone it urself useless

personally i feel only English shd be medium of communication.Hindi is no worse than Malayalam.

of coz non mallu teachers have a hinglish tone which is so disgusting..

first tone your english

shradha999

persoanlly

?????????

is the national language keeping this in mind kick out all non-hindi speaking staff or make it mandatory and then hire them

The standard has gone down this year.I do not have problem with teachers being from particular state.But looks like the quality has further gone down.When we pay so much we expect a high quality education also.Otherwise we can send our kids to BPS or DPS .Why do we have to send to DMIS?We were thinking will wait for a month and take up the issue with HM.A lot of parents in DMIS feel the same.The teachers speak pathetic english.

I hope the management will look into this matter.

loading teachers from kerala doesnt mean that the school standard has gone worse.

when your kid will pronounce YUM for M, YACH for H, YEN for N you will come to know the fact

whats the problem acutally?how did you summarize by saying that the standard of the school declined?my kid is studying in dmis ,so i really want to know if there is detoration of standard.

if the teachers are good in academic and performance thats fine even if they are from kerala or any where else.Mostly mallu teachers are low in teaching standards.but there are good also.

please expalin in details why you felt that u are betrayed by them.many parents of dmis are reading your comments.so we want to know the fact.loading teachers from kerala doesnt mean that the school standard has gone worse.

he was a real torture , do you remember Pillai Sir ( the original bluff master ) ;-)

Why don't all the affected & back stabbed parents join

together and call for a management-parents meeting to

sort out the problems ? End of the day, only the childrens

would suffer despite paying hefty fees every month.

What about Indian Embassy, pull them if its a fact.

teachers always move on. if they've brought in new teachers, then what is the problem - apart from the fact that they are from Kerala..

You know education is so commercial and the managment seem to take things for granted. It is a pitty that education is so commercilised-GOD SAVE THE CHILDREN

to all Indian Schools for English and Hindi language sake get non-mallu teachers

here lies the problem