Girl Tortured To Death ...:(

thats wat i said nomerci

that boasting that we r naturally good human beings

and that we dont harm anyone and we r naturally kind

and so on

so wat ?

and yes arrogance that dont do for ourself (to earn brownie points) but for u - as u need our services!!!

why make them feel low?

why cant it be said that serving u is our need ,

it is going to benefit us more than it will benefit u

rather we take pride in being a good human being, rather than knowing that it is obligatory for us to be good to them

it is not a problem for them eventually , even if they suffer in this world they will enjoy the reward in the hereafter, only joy and happiness

whereas we will be the losers , and suffering for the carelessness we imparted towards them

5 years and you have seen 3 handicapped??

I've been here for 2 months.. and have seen..hmmmmmmm(counting in my mind)....1-2-3-4-5-6-7.. sheesh lady.. I think you should get out more!

Inshallah the poor girl is in a far better place now. But as for the brutes who did this to her then I hope they get their comeuppance..pronto! Evil scumbags..Disgusting family was ashamed of having a handicapped child but not ashamed to torture her randomly to death. What a screwed up bunch they are,indeed! And so far away from the actual knowledge of right and wrong..sickening!

Rawda, that it comes naturally to care for somebody is not boasting. Well, IMHO...but praying for a "righteous" child...well...what is there left to say.

As I said, I do not do things to earn brownie points here or for what you call the "hereafter". I do happily what comes naturally :)

it is sister ...lol ...:))

cabbage

yes i know brother

"You see, these parents do not view their children as a 'burden' - they love them very, very much."

u r right and i agree with u

the post however is focussing on the cruelties done by those gaurdians who r ashamed of having such children

and condemning their actions and discriminations

yes nomerci

things coming naturally

isnt that boasting?

oh im so humane

oh im so charitable

im this and im that

as if we r doing a favour on a disabled child?

rather than humbleling ourself and offering ourself to their servies willingly and as something which we should do

we actually boast abt being a good human being!!!

it is as if charity for her, not our duty

Enjoy Rome :-)

Loved the Vatican City it is so beautiful.

Chuck a coin in the Trevi Fountain for me x

Cabbage... in 5 years 3 disabled people - the one gentlemen in a wheelchair I see often, since he is a friend of a mutual friend...

I am done here... I can see that people are just here to put others down for there beliefs and ideals....

Rawda.... read my post before jumping to conclusions... I never accused you of saying anything of the sort....

*Returning to my haven of Rome.... spent a lovely day yesterday at the Vatican City, off to the Colesseum and Trevi Fountain tomorrow... My vino and pizza await:-D

Just no way way to treat another human being. Everybody is born different and this people just did not give her a chance to live her life.

Animals

rawda, please explain to me what a righteous child is.

Well I hope hand on heart that first of all you are blessed with a child. There is nothing more wonderful than having a child.

I also hope there is nothing 'wrong' with it.

You see, these parents do not view their children as a 'burden' - they love them very, very much.

What is a burden - is people not accepting them and loving them the same as a 'normal' person.

cabbage im praying to Allah for one - a righteous one

inshaallah

Sorry rawda, I do not look at things the way you do.

Need could only be implied for me if doing something that comes naturally , does not even need thinking about is a need.

yes nomerci

sibling meaning a brother or a sister

i understood that from ur post correct me if im wrong

yes nomerci

and let us go a step above love and human decency-

and make their care our need

wat say?

Have you got children?

rawda, no, not a sibling. A family member.

yes cabbage i missed out

but if u see i wanted to imply the gaurdianship of these disabled children

they were cousins to tinker bell

and a sibling to nomerci

u see there is a difference

no doubt their gaurdians have made positive impact on them

im talking abt responsibility

although i admit i forgot they had family involvement with these children

rawda, i did grow up with a disabled family member. I did not love and care for that person to earn brownie points.

I did it out of love and human decency.

Of course she can comment never said she should not.

However, she needs to read the threads more carefully (this could be a language thing).

She also needs to understand QL is for ALL people from different cultures and religions and as much as we respect hers; she seems to struggle with respecting our religions and culture.

Debate is two- way traffic.

tinkerbell

yes dont ram to people abt ur faith

but at least let them know the benefits of ur faith

the mercy and justice that faith demands

the love and compassion that faith demands

ur right and rawda is right...so dont try to proof rawdas comments as wrong....every one has right to comment...

Yet again you amaze me! Both of these ladies have told us they have family members with a disability.

You really do need to start reading the threads more carefully.

tinker and nomerci

u will understand the meaning of these words only when u have a disabled child in ur homes

yes there r people who do these good works out of compassion and sympathy

but we should know that showing compassion and sympathy is not enough

wat we should realise that more than these children need our assistance

we need them!!!

we need them, it is our need to look after these people

they r the source of mercy, they r wat will bring us success and victory and ease the pains of our lives

it is because of them that Allah will look at us with pleasure,

so from just an humane act now it has the status of a "act of excellence"

an act which will make us the best of people !!

You do not need to be religous to take care off and love people who through no fault of their own are different.

Surely that is down to tolerance, love for another human being and patience.

i doubt abt that for sure ur bluffing...i doubt u dont even know the meaning of faith

u dont believe in god for sure...then why do u comment...

tinker...SPOT ON!

rawda, ...a f u c k.....why do I bother.

yes nomerci

i know we have the judicial system

but do u have any faith in them any more???

with nothing but corrupt people who have no fear of God and his punishment in the judicial system?

that is why this is a collective effort

the gaurdian,

the society,

the judicail system.

and all these people should know that they might shrink in their duties in this world but they will not be avle to do so in the hereafter

let all of them bear this in mind, and take heed and do justice

Interesting that you say you have been here 5 years and seen 3 disabled people?

There are 10,000 registered disabled people in Qatar that is 12% of the population; and that is the ones we know about :-/

u will never understand even if u scratch ur head...u need to know islam to understand that

About point 2. i think we had a discussion about this a long time ago. See, the thing with the schools here is that parents and companies pay a s h i t load of money for kids to attend...plus, spaces are scarce.

Plus a disabled child, of course depending on how severe the child is disabled, can slow down a class. Which causes a problem because they already have problems fitting the curriculum into the year, due to several added local holidaysIn my son's class is a child that needs special help, due to several reasons...but his problems are minimal...still it causes disruption.

Now don't get me wrong, I am all for disabled kids joining mainstream schools...I am just mentioning some resons why this does not happen much here.

Would it not be great if there was an ignore button on the thread?

people here r suggesting that the society should accept the disabled child willingly and care for them?

tell me why will they?

wat benefit will they get?

except for expenses there is nothing

who is there to appreciate their efforts?

of course it is a humane act i know everybody knows , including their gaurdians

have u ever thought of the immense amount of patience needed to take care of disabled people?

the emotional stress the gaurdian has to go through??

it is not as simple as charity!

it involves physical involvement, mental involvement, monetary capacity, struggle, and much more

it is like having a 2 year old dependent upon u all the time

the only way a person will suffer all these extra efforts is when he will realise the importance of such a humane act- an act par excelence in the sight of Allah

he might get nothing but struggle in this world taking care of the disability of his child in this world,

but after death he will be compensated in ways never know to any man - an unparrelled reward

Now, it is the duty of the whole society to establish schools for those persons and secure them due care so that they become good members of the society and that they benefit themselves and their families.

In the West, great care is shown to the disabled. It is duty of we Muslims to shoulder the responsibility of showing the utmost care to those people, for, according to the teachings of our religion, those persons are sources of Divine mercy and blessings being showered on us now and then. They are the weak for whose sake we are given sustenance and made victorious.

In his Hadith, our Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: “You are given sustenance and victory for the virtue of those who are weak amongst you.” We, should show mercy and care to the disabled out of both human and religious motives. In Islam, we are commanded to show mercy to everything in this world. In the Hadith: “Show mercy to those on earth so that He Who is in the heavens (i.e. Allah) bestow mercy to you.”

these children r the very source of mercy of Allah on us

may Allah grant us the strength and the pleasure in taking care of such babies and help all in overcoming the hurt in the hearts

There are two major obstacles to overcome and lots of minor ones lol

1)We have to change the mind-set of some people that see a disability as a weakness or something to be ashamed of. This is, shall we say ‘a problem with culture and communities’.

2)And this may come as a shock – schools (mainly ex-pat schools) refuse to take children with special needs.

Money is not a problem at all; and there are budgets are in place ONCE we can convince schools over here that children with special needs do learn – it is just in a different way.

There is lots to do and when I say slowly; it is not just a ‘local problem’; you ring the likes of D*S* and D*h* C*l*eg* and tell them you have a kid with special needs and you will not even get a foot in the door.

We have justice systems in our societies to use them. What happens after we are dead, should not come into it.

peoples here are understanding u very well...but when islam comes in between they dont want to understand or deliberately want to ignore it...so waste of time telling them...

look at xena comment...

Forcing people into your way of thinking is not agreeable with your relgion... and Rawda, we've had this same discussion before

the same once saint told that we are brainwashing peoples here...this is what these peoples are thinking...so it is difficult for them to understand what ur saying

nobody here including me has ever denied that many people regard handicapped children not only as burden but also as a shame.

but islam has taught us that:

it is a apparent human perception that disability is a weakness - however the fact is that Allah ignores the mistakes of such people immensly and showers them with mercy - and He fills the heart of many people with mercy towards them - that is why many people become outraged ass soon as they know that injustice has been done to a helpless human being!!

in the sight of Allah the one who totures them is the worst people and thier punishement is also tremendous

though they might get away with it inthis world they will crtainly have to answer for their behaviour in hereafter - on the day of resurrection

when these very handicapped peope would be happy and their torturers will be severly punished as well as those who failed to render them justice

that is why the position of "judge" is most freted one in islam - equivalent suicide

because even if he judges a case wrongly by mistake - not purposefully he will have to reply for that and compensate

Cabbage, I can't quite understand why things are changing SLOWLY. There are disabled people, they need help and support. As simple as that. Why not simply do it? Money is as sure as heck not the problem. Why do people have to be educated about the blatantly obvious????

Hate to sound like a saint - because as we all know I am not lol

I love my work and it's a pleasure seeing to and helping these people :-)

I know - but things are changing. It is a slow change but it is.

It's a hard task but worth every wrinkle and grey hair lol

Yet again you astound me; you're so annoyed at everybody who does simply not agree with you. You are so right about EVERY topic under the sun. You truly are an enigma.

You know so much about NOTHING; unless it is to shout abuse at people and rarely do you provide concreate proof for your diatrades.

I, Xena or exiled did not PRESUME anything - they have been here longer than me but I WORK FOR AND WITH THE SEC and MADA to support ALL children with Special Needs. Of which there are plenty.

So WE do know what we are talking about. Unlike you.

Btw, I have not seen one single place or facitliy here in Qatar that is geared towards ,or easily accessible in any way, for disabled people.

I have seen some people in wheelchairs, but I can only imagine how difficult it is for them to go places over here.

Having grown up with a disabled family member...I can't even start to voice my feelings about this.

Hell is too pleasant for people like those.

yes xena and exiled saint

who said there r no disabled children here and that many parents r ashamed of that fact?

who told u i dont know

did i tell?

wat right do u have to persume such things?

so first of all u make false allegations against people

and then behave as if u r right!!!

and accuse people imposing their thoughts on someone?

well if u reread ur comments right now - this statement of urs is more applicable to u and exiledsaint

Well said! I wish there were more people like you who can see that.

My job would be a lot easier.

Helping people who have disabilities is irrelevant to you? That shows the problem this part of the world has in dealing with it's shame.

Learn to embrace those who are different do not hide them away. They may not walk or talk like the rest of us but they have feelings to

u both are one...so keep ur irrelevant comments with u

Good points xena and maybe rawda will accept them as they did not come from me.

How long have you been in Qatar? have you ever actually seen a disabled child here?

No, because they are hidden. I do hope what you say, Cabbage is true and that things are changing, but talking from my 5 years experience here, I have seen about 3 people in wheelchairs and no mentally handicapped kids out on the streets - except for the time I spend at the handicapped school near Al Arabi club (cannot remember the name)

Rawda_k.... you really need to start looking at the otherside of the coin if you are to be well informed. You need to stop being so defensive and attacking people for their beliefs and their ideas.... I would give what you want the same advice.

Forcing people into your way of thinking is not agreeable with your relgion... and Rawda, we've had this same discussion before.

wantuwant i back u in ur statements

at least they have some logic and justice in them

whereas those arguing with u just want to adjust themselves with all the wrong things happening in the world and make accept them too

and when some injustice is seen somewhere they sream at the top of their lungs abt injustice

and actually do nothing abt it

they know to accept every evil but dont know how to crub these evils !!!

the surprising fact is they even defend this ignorance of thiers!!!!

Really Sad.... I hope these 2 men should be burned to death....

I pray to Allah that Girl goes to heaven, and i am sure she will be in peace up there....

May She Rest In Peace.... :(

OHhh.... cudnt even imagine how much pain she had suffered... i demand the same brutality as punishment to the culprits... why .. .why ... why r thy doin such cruelty... where love and care was essential, there thy submitted brutal murder...

That poor child!

Can I just add something here re- 'hidden children' in Arabic society.

They do have a long way to go with regards the situation they have.

Syria actually keeps the best statistics for the number of special children they have.

Was speaking to a local lady last week; who was so frustrated with regards her son’s needs. He is not 'bad' enough for the Shaffalah Centre; but can't get main-stream here (yet).

She mentioned the fact it took her 'community' a long time to accept this child’s condition. Quite sadly she pointed out to me - 'ex-pats can take their kids home; this is my home and I get little support from family and schools'.

Things are changing though and remember it was not too long ago in the West that children/people with disabilities were locked away, used for medical experimentation and abused by their carers.

for sure laws shouldn't interfere with that! and you shouldn't be improsined for it... don't you have some laws back home that you wish to change??

well, again every society has flaws.. and we sure hope that we can change them for the better! however, again.. don't blame the whole society or culture for the faults of few..

yes.. culture might be frustrating for some.. or maybe most.. but only time could change culture...

SURE!

THANKS

Each to their own. If they have pre-marital sex then they breach the terms of their religion however you should not get arrested for it and taken to court in any country

Sure, ONLY YOU know the truth. It's your private property, and everybody else logically must be wrong. Enjoy your massive responsibility.

yes me and only me know about MY culture and MY religion.. you don't know a hoot!

newsflash.. you're here now.. so get over it and stop making it look like it's shameful to teach kids to reseve themselves till after marriaga...when you're there(where it's normal to have pre-marital sex) you can argue about how normal it is!

Oooops, I forgot. YOU, and ONLY YOU know the truth. Sorry.

Because it's not normal in your culture that doesn't make it right either. Newsflash.

sure.. whatever... again.. just because it's normal in your culture.. that doesn't mean that it should be normal everywhere in the world! because newflash.. it isn't...

Premarital sex is natural. Only 'ideologies' brand it as shameful.

I read exiledsaint.. and he's blaming society for a shameful act of few...that's what I read..handicapped is not shameful in Arab's eyes.. I'm of Arabic descent.. even though I'm from the U.S.. and I sure know about this culture more than you..

we don't need education to believe that handicapped kids are from God and we should appreciate what God sends us and be thankful no matter what.. I've had friends with handicapped kids.. and the mother used to find her daughter the most beautiful intellegent kid in the world! I praised God when I saw how her family appreciated their kid being alive after all what they've been throug..

my cousin is handicapped and is very smart and funny.. his mom and sister and brother.. do everything for their son.. who is 45 years old now.. yet they never complain..

again.. exiledsaint.. an incident you heard about in the news has nothing to do with Arab's culture!

as for .....pre marital sex(which is off subject btw)

premarital sex is shameful in each and every religion.. and just because your "culture" ignores that.. that doesn't mean it's right... sex outside of marriage is not right.. and many non muslim cultures believe the same..

just because you feel something is "normal" for you.. that doesn't mean it's normal for others..

meansss,,, they are both psychologically ill as well..

Sad Stare

exiledsaint, are you saying that having a handicapped relative can be considered shameful in this culture? Sorry I did not know this.

may she rest in peace.

I hope the morons are brought to justice and prosecuted for murder.

Not more than 2 years.

Frietizal's daugher was not handicapped so you cannot compare the two things.

If a woman has sex outside of marriage in the arab world it is called shameful, if you children are handicapped for some that is shameful as well. If you don't understand that then you have a limited knowledge of the arab world. However its not something they like to talk about.

what do u want...relax...there should be nothing here for you to fight for...and read what TES has said again & again till u understand... no need to feel so insecure ....

can u please read back his comment...he mentioned society needs educating...

can you please read 100 times his comments

sad....its really shameful act.....

society and culture does not consider handicapped to be shameful.. my God.. who the hell told you that??? or where do you live? in a cave somewhere in the desert!

freaks and sickos, consider handicapped to be shameful.. and last time I checked there were freaks in every culture!

we sure do hope for a fair trial.. and a severe punishement for those sick men and the family who didn't do anything about it..

oh.. there was a man who improsined his daughter and was abusing her and raping her for 20 years.. and he had 7 kids with her, too..... (googel it) oh.. oh.. that wasn't anywhere near the "culture" you were referring to!

STOP GENERALIZING!

I feel sad, very sad.... reading this.

We can't wait for the resurrection, we need justice to be handed out in this world to people who perpretate such acts.

Yes these people should get sevre punishments but the society and culture needs to change. For them to consider someone handicapped to be shameful on their family is wrong and the society needs educating in that fact.

man is behaving like an animal

or even worse!

how can a human being think that he can torture an poor helpless soul and then get away with it?

yes even after such a gruesome crime has been brought to our attention

yet we r not sure if the poor girl would ever get justice

- in any part of the world

this is an unavoidable fact - happens with millions around the world - suppressed and tyrannised and nobody to help them get justice

no doubt God has taught us that

bearing injustice is a sin

inflicting injustice is sin

aiding injustice directly or indirectly is a sin

and if the injustice is against a helpless person the sin is all the more gruesome

no doubt mankind will obtain true justice only on the day of resurrection - otherwise this world can do nothing for us

the day of judejement is the only hope for the poor soul

so that the criminal can be punished for every single bruise they inflicted upon her

the guys were mentally challanged. how could the parents let it happen to their own daughter.

Waiting for Qhris' comment.

And it is not an honour killing,,, in such cases it is either death penalty or life imprisonment

people..

Stop generalizing about the law and punishments!! haven't you heard of criminal trials to be unjust, even in the U.S?????????? aka.. OJ Simpson... and many many others! unfortunately..there are incidents where killers can get away with it everywhere in the world..... but let's be optimistic and hope for a fair trial in this incident and all others..

No lets wait and see what Law says.....they may not be guilty in the (blindfolded) eyes of law....

freaks and psychos!!!we have those sickos in the U.S, too! well everywhere in the world! sadly.. most aren't even discovered until very late :(

They should not see the light of day again.

Probably they will pay blood money to themselves from a Qatar charity...

really sad...they are worse than godzilla