jail terms for women in swimsuits
You think Dress code in Doha ridiculous, check out Kuwait
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/11/29/127866.html
Five Islamist MPs in the Gulf state of Kuwait on Monday proposed a one-year prison term and $3,500 fine for women who wear swimsuits at the beach.
The lawmakers, representing various Islamist groups in parliament, also said in a proposal to amend Kuwait's penal code that the same penalty should apply to women who reveal their upper chest or take part in "indecent behavior."
The proposal, a copy of which was received by AFP, calls for a ban on women wearing swimsuits at beaches, islands and swimming pools. It does not specify if it covers private beaches run by hotels and resorts.
The amendment would need to be approved by parliamentary panels, by parliament itself and also signed by the conservative Muslim state's ruling emir to become law.
I think we need to holed on to see parliament design first
shut ub ;O)
lol
ya batroooneh
to be honest we Ya'ni muslims in majority are a century backward in these kind of stuff from U Ya'ni infidels, so could U please tell us, what will be the status of women next in ur educated society,,,,,,,,,,bikini in same shape or a sunny plast to hide only spots?
This might help us for educating our upcoming generation to avoid conflicts.
Probably, it was like that!
Too bad we wont be here when bikinis will become common sense in muslim countries and men there will be educated to respect women without the need of hidden them from their sight.
Well it was bound to happen. History does repeat itself. I'm sure if there was a Qatarliving back around the time Christianity was spreading through Ancient Rome, the advanced pagan Ancient Romans were probably complaining about the early Christians lack of critical thinking.
Change is inevitable. Sometimes it happens not as fast a we hope. Other times, societies take one step forward and two steps back before moving forward again.
Look at Saudi , or even Qatar. Ten years ago , most women wore full abayas. Now many show their faces.
Earlier this week a major Saudi cleric said that covering of he face is NOT obligatory and that women in the country should be allowed to drive. Again signs of gradual change.
Some will balk at this and issue fatwas or start movements against .. but in the end , society evolves and moves forward.
Pilgram,
Too bad (for them and for us) that the evolution path of both religions, didn’t take place at the same time!
Today both sides are suffering because of the huge mentality gap!
We have to sacrifice and they have to face what they are not yet prepared to dare!
I agree it will. Change is natural and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. Also the more aware we become of the importance of education, the quicker that change will happen.
Sadly, that will also be when things like this happen as people fight back against change.
Pilgram,
I agree, that would be the beginning of the end of the control in question! And the powerful ones who hold control don't want that!
It will happen to their religion, the same what happened to Christianity, where people are today generally freed from the sin-fear-punishment control weapon.
That assumes that they are willing to accept that there's anything wrong with their methods of teaching. Most wouldn't be.
Pilgram
That is a sad fact. Maybe instead of fighting their reaction, the root causes should be publicly exposed and addressed (utopia?).
I understand that, but it doesn't make the women's fight any easier. Not to mention many of these women are equally as brainwashed to feel ashamed about themselves and their bodies.
Pilgram,
We must understand that those men are victims of brainwashing. They were conditioned to think that way, it’s not entirely their fault.
It's sad men should feel so threatened by women period ex.
It's unfortunate that anybody would feel threatened by a burkini anymore than they would by a bikini. In fact, with some women's bodies, I would rather they wear a burkini. ;)
France:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6017524/French-ban-Muslim-woman-from-pool-for-wearing-burkini-swimsuit.html
Italy:
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/08/italy-mayor-bans-burkini.html
where people in Europe have tried to prevent it. I think you are confusing it with a burka covering the face. The burkini doesn't. It is more like a wet suit and doesn't cover the face.
Not everyone is afraid of people that are different. But I can see that you are.
people are afraid of people who are not like them
Ask about the borkini and why a lot of people are trying to prevent it in europe.
please answer this question "why they are trying to prevent Borkini??"
the respect flows only in one direction.
They can be controlled and question you, but watch out if you are on the other side, all free and in your swim-suit, questioning them :-)
one_shot,
Understanding what causes the behavior of a certain group, is acknowledging the existence of that group, isn’t it my friend?
why you don't understand that that u r not alone in this planet?
that is why they call it multicultural so please don't wear ur white pinned mask and trying to correct everything doesn't look like u in this planet.
ex.ex.expat / Qhris
The insecurity and unpreparedness noticed in some comments here show how handicapped people become to face today's world when they are victims of brainwashing processes from an early age.
This type of education does not allow emotional maturity and thus the need of external devices to disguise and "control" desire (Segregation, hiding completely the body with clothes, sin, guilt, fear and divine punishment as control weapons, etc...).
People are told from early ages that showing skin is evil and shameful. With such education, there is no argument here on QL that would liberate them to think otherwise or for themselves. This coercive education is the secret for maintaining strong, the ideology in question. Removing it, would be the beginning of its modernization, which is against those who control it.
The saddest part is that they will never know what we are trying to tell them, thus this fuss and continuous attack on women's rights.
And I suppose it would be a good idea to keep this mp's on the beach to impose the fines. They could have the best of both worlds
own laws so those of you who are whingeing about "double standards" need to learn how to read.
who can't handle the notion of your and your gf's freedom. People like him are only secure in a world where everything is dictated to them and men have control over women. How much experience do you think he has had in thinking for himself in Syria? ;)
disgusting because?
Let the BILL to get accepted by all the members of the parliament first...
Why there is need for hue and cry from now on??
You are right. It is subjective and these five are being the judges in this case.
what u said is really disgusting
From britexpat, "From what i've read, the five MPs are miffed at a "noticeable increase in indecent behaviour by women" along beaches. They say that "Some women wear outrageous clothes, commit indecent acts and engage in emotionally provocative behaviour". Oh, dear, I do worry about the interpretation of the "emotionally provocative" behavior. I don't know what that is and I tend to suspect it's in the mind of the (male) beholder.
Mandi
Other men can sit and stare at my girlfriend with their hands down their pants all they like; she is a free thinking, independant woman who chooses to come home to me every night.
If people with no life or unhappy want to fantasise about someone they can never have, they are pathetic, why waste energy on them?
The desperate ones will stare whatever the woman wears, and to decline the woman the right to wear what she likes based on some sadistic principles of 'decency' is pretty stupid really.
Just because a woman is comfortable with her body, doesn't mean you should be comfortable being a pervert over it.
my first comment was about the topic in general
out of sight is not out of mind?
but visual improvement some times required lol ;)
who? what double standards? your post made no sense.
Do u accept her to check other men's body ? or what?
or u can and she can't , please don't be so double standards ;)
Actually some would say that dictating what people wear, being pathetically Orwellian, sticking your nose in other peoples lives, whilst being closed minded, miserable, and sexist is 'indecent behaviour' so Kuwait needs to be careful with its language.
both are at extreme ends.
One must try to act a moderate.
she was ur lost sister in disguise
As a general question, do Muslims think that out of sight is out of mind?
When my girlfriend wears a jumper, do I forget about the existence of her breasts?
You cannot police peoples thoughts.
I saw a young (20's) woman in abbaya today at an un-named mall, with the hood part back, showing her hair, sleeves rolled up to the elbows and the abbaya clinging, very tight fitting, getting stares from horny men.
This is acceptable, is it? She is trying to be her own version of 'sexy', so what if other women choose to do that in a bikini?
Hypocrisy.
rdsouza
In Qatar almost every villa have 2 to 4 Dish Antennas and bla bla blaaaaaa............ What to do Ya'ni???
Hippocracy at its zenith.
I was in Kuwait for ten years , and seen that practically every villa has Dish Antennas, and TV showing everything under the sun :-), There is liquor flowing abundantly for those select few, and abuse of maids perhaps should go to the guiness book of records.
Fat Gurls will follow happily
Of a savage country, yes.
So, it's actually a law against men. Cool.
The selfishness of the men cannot be blamed for the nakedness of a women.
Bummer ...
the mayor forbid smoking on the beach there :(
What about the beaches of Sochi on the Black Sea :O)
too bad i like watching topless woman and bikinis! its too cold for us in Russia to wear bikinis and go topless.
That is not 100% correct, one_shot. Light exists within a black hole, but it can't leave it due to the infinite escape velocity required. But it still exists.
Saj, I agree 100% and promise I'll never wear my bikini ever again.
it is like comparing light and darkness , darkness exists when light is absent
I just want men held to the same standard. If women can't wear bathing suits, show their knees or chest, men shouldn't be allowed either. Equality all round.
Oh dear WK, read yourself also....
LP I like it....
Not really "double standard", sajmarhab. The veil is a religious symbol, the bikini is a sexist symbol. You can't compare these two.
sajmarhab read those threads again and see what was being said
this is the same platform (QL) where a long bashing is done about Nicab (Veil)ban in France, most of the Qlers who commented above, they said very LOUDLY that it is the french goverment rule, so everyone in France should follow this.
So it is the rule in Kuwait, follow/Obey or else leave, then Y it is a double standard dear QLERS...
make bikini complusory moan moan u suckers
no,keep them stealing u ;)
Bingo, WK.
That’s the point. The proposal is targeting Liberal Kuwaitis & Arab Expatriates ( particularly Lebanese )
Should shut down all the banks charging interest too
Wish they get approval in the parliment.
Well done guys....
Pass what? The joint?
ok, thanks for clarification ,pass it to others too please.
:)
avatar you are genious ! :(
You should, one_shot. And you should also ban the sales of alcohol in your Islamic country. And you should ban hashish and prostitutes, and not allow those people who have 'wasta' and/or money to circumvent these laws.
i am confused now , should we or shouldn't ban bikini at our beaches since we are Islamic countries !!!???.
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and if we did, can it be considered against freedom of choice to wear what u like , or we can use the same reasons that Europe and USA used against veil?
It's supposed to be for all women - not just foreigners. Also, It's for public beaches and not private ones.
The Kuwaiti women I've met rarely even wear abaya in public. So I'll be surprised if this passes.
It only applies to foreigners, ex.ex.
in swimsuits were Kuwaiti women! Should be interesting to see the jails full of Kuwaiti women. :P
qatar is not koweit...fortunately!
janab, I am sorry, what? Stopping me from what?
sumone stopping you
Well, if that's what they want, their business.
Thing is, the Western expats will leave if they they can't wear appropriate swim wear in hotel pools and private pools.
But again, it's Kuwait's business.
Kuwait comes up with great restrictions.. the last being DSLR'S being banned in Kuwait for the local public.. it can only be used by Journalists ...
It's so simple. Leave Kuwait and go to Cannes. Topless is required there. Uh, yeah, but you won't go to prison if you wear jeans while swimming.
Thanks for the info. I did not think about the power of the conservatives in the new assembly..
From what i've read, the five MPs are miffed at a "noticeable increase in indecent behaviour by women" along beaches.
They say that "Some women wear outrageous clothes, commit indecent acts and engage in emotionally provocative behaviour,".
They say they want the banning of inappropriate swimming suits on beaches. So perhaps they are talking about skimpy bikinis.
Given that the Lady MP says it's un constitutional - perhaps the wording and bill will be watered down before going to parliament..
respect!
just a proposal its hardly worth much discussion as such proposals are made regularly in many countries around the world. Its only when approved is it a matter to be considered, which I really doubt at this point.. will be interesting to note though. Who thinks the dress code in Doha is ridiculous? if anyone does I doubt hearing such news will make them all go down on their knees and swear never to rail against the dress code of Qatar again!!
Sadly, the Proposal can easily be passed. The liberal party hasn’t many voters in the Kuwaiti Parliament.
kuwait govt. is not that much strict as compare to other GCC countries... infact kuwaitis are seculars and liberal minded.
every country has the right to declare the dress code.i think abya should be must for all women in muslim country
Anyone who visited Kuwait knows that till the late 1990’s the majority of Kuwaitis are very liberal. Even now, not many Kuwaiti Women wears Abbaya ( even if they were Hijabis). Islamist Parties are dominating the social scene in Kuwait ever since the parliament election started to take place in Kuwait in 2006
I say they dont make any beaches...:(
I say just ban the women from the beach
great, that's always when QL gets interesting ;)
no Nic, but someone else will do tat part....:)
rizks,
are you bashing me?
If i ever see someone at public beach with yellow speedo's on i will report to the fashion police immediately! so watch it buddy! :0)
the begining of bashing now, just sit and enjoy the bashing.
Interesting development..
For a start , it shows that Kuwait's parliament is able to debate such issues.
Aseel al-Awadhi rightly condemned the proposal. I can't see it passing through parliament.
LIP: I stil have a pair of Yellow Speedos - but too gutless to wear them.. :O(
and the bashing begins.....:(
no wonder islam is seen the way it is!
do u wear any inni stuff i doubt
Swimsuits only should be worn, when they go to any Malls or shopping centers....:)
I lived in Kuwait for 6 years and the sight of a woman swimming in her abaya no longer fazes me :o)
The blokes there should be forced to cover up their ugly hairy chests though as a gesture of equality!
Radiculous...
where are they supposed wear swim suits then?? Maybe in the bathtub..
men should be jailed for wearing speedo's in any country!
dont they know that womens should be in a 3 piece suit and wear an abaya when they go for swimming ? :(
naansense i say ! :(
Quite right too!! It's disgusting seeing all the female flesh while your trying to have a swim.
What about men? Why are only women being focused on?
Reminds me of one of the latest episodes of the series Weeds with Ahmad Ahmad in it, when Nancy Botwin asks why Muslims are all about subjugating women and he responds "Cause you guys scare us man!"
Men are allowed to wear swim suits, right?