SICK - there's no other word for it !!!

My bed is calling me too.

cu

"I am not really into conspiracy theories that Mossad is everywhere or the Illuminati is controlling the world"

Neither am I, but I try to read about a subject from different parties, POVs and angles, then analyze to get the truth.

But hey, that's just me :)

But I don't assume everyone who doesn't support everything Palestinians or Arabs do is a Jew ;)

I am not really into conspiracy theories that Mossad is everywhere or the Illuminati is controlling the world. But that's just me.

Not surprised.

But we see them on QL.

another thread and here using them as an example of extremism. I made the reference to "out Jews" here because Qatar walks a very fine line between having relations with Israel and the pressure from some Arab states to cut off all ties. There are Jews here (and were even Israelis) but they keep a VERY low profile :0

Well, I noticed that you mentioned the jewish settlers,then said:

"And also because there are no "out" jews in Qatar"

Well, I didn't understand why did you suddenly bring the jews to the discussion, or what did u mean by "out".

So, I thought to see what you mean by jews in the first place, then ask about out jews :)

Some Sunnis don't think Shia are muslims and some shia don't think sunnis are. And both sunnis and shias are often declaring some muslims not to be muslims because they don't agree with them and are convinced they are apostates.

I know Catholics who don't think Protestants are REAL Christians. lol

What's your point in this thread? I still don't follow you.

Let me say it in a simple way:

As per jewish virtual library website, wikipedia, this question is a subject to a lot of controversy.

And when this is the case, then it is by now means a simple question.

There was even a prominent and controversial court case in this regard:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%28E%29_v_Governing_Body_of_JFS

I said either through ethnic descent or conversion. What about that are you taking issue with and maybe I can understand what you are implying?

is that so? then you don't know what I mean. Check these links first:

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/whojew1.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

countrystudies.us/israel/46.htm

either through ethnic descent or through conversion. It's not as hard as you are trying to imply prince.

but who is a jew? it's not a simple question if you know what I mean.

And also because there are no "out" jews in Qatar. Only the ones who are on the down low ;)

As for the wack preacher from Florida, I don't think his followers have ever travelled outside their trailer park. lol

just because tune and frequency differ for each extremist ;)

as you seem to think. I hate extremism in any form -- be they extremist Jewish settlers, that wack preacher in Florida who wanted to burn the Koran, or extremist muslims. But I refuse to be politically correct and pretend like there are no Muslim extremists simply because someone will call me Islamophobic ;) BTW, nobody complains when I call that Florida preacher "wack" or refer to the jewish settlers as extremist... lol

xxxpat

my misperception :)

the prince

i must say, this thread should remain longer, every time i open it, a smile comes on my face, and feel petty for some bias Qlers.

I am saying that Islam does not set a minimum age and not saying that the religion needs to because as FathimaH explained it falls under the leadership of the countries to do so. You asked about minimum age for legal sex in my country and I responded. Unfortunately in some countries the fact that Islamic scholars don't set a minimum age for nikah is used to stop the government from setting a minimum age for it. This was the case in Yemen, if you followed the case of the 8 year old Yemeni girl who went to the court by herself to ask the judge to give her a divorce from her 30+ year old husband. The Parliament tried to pass a law setting a minimum age for marriage and were thwarted by the "religious authorities". let me reiterate that I don't think this is desirable (child marriage) in Islam.

I also know that decent Afghanis don't WANT to marry a child off to an old man. It's very sad that some do, because of poverty or any other reason.

Several QLers were expecting you to remove this post because it is a proven hoax!

Are you still there?

thank U xxxpat

the report shows poverty is the main cause of early age marriage in some areas of Afghanistan, i didn't find in report if someone is saying, this is because of Islam.

simply correcting an incorrect statement by hawk. But yes, in many countries there is a minimum age for legal sexual intercourse. In my country it is 16. Underage sexual activity CAN lead to prosecution (although it rarely does except in the cases of one person being much older than the underage person).

You might find this interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

What is the age of consent to get married in Afghanistan? 13? 10? 9?

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2008/04/15/child-brides-sold-in-afghanistan.html

but calls for such posts to be deleted because someone might just read the OP is ridiculous.

Banning/censoring/deleting something just because some ONE might etc.... would have every post deleted because we can never tell or know about one individual. This is an example of treating people like children....best to shut down the whole site in case some ONE is offended/confused/brain-washed/takes things too seriously/doesn't find some thing amusing/gets upset etc

People on QL need to grow up and stop trying to police the world IN CASE SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, is far too sensitive or an idiot.

Rant over....carry on

:)

doesn't seem true..........should not post unless sure of the source

Hawk was misinformed no doubt. Yes scholars have not strictly set ages simply because they have no authority to do so.That is the rulers/lawmakers responsibility,according to the time and situation.However if we are to go individually and ask them regarding child marriages they will of course never support an underage immature child being given in marriage to some older man, and Allahu alim. Problem is those who value the opinion of scholars will not want such marriages and those who want such marriages will not bother with scholars!

DP

Some will only rewad the first post...

xxxpat

a very simple question

" is there any age restriction in west (particularly in Christianity) for a girl where she is free to have a sexual life, and how many are agreed on that and following strictly???

if not, everyone is free to live their sexual life, when and where they want, doesn't matter if a sound percentage of teenager are going through abortion, then why all the puss about sharia laws???

Ever Muslims force U to stop non marital sexual relation???

should be deleted...

Some will only read the first post.

disagree on setting an age for nikah and that is why it is difficult to wipe out child marriages in places like Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi and recently Syria. I also do not think it is right and I believe Islam is meant to be applied accordingly with the times. But Hawk says that Islam doesn't allow a girl to marry before 17-18 and that simply is not true.

as it is known to be a HOAX its request for MODS to delete this thread to avoid controversies........

this thread of the poster shows how biased people here we have on QL.

I agree with mandi.

It's a no-brainer that all Hamas brides are in fact Hijab wearing and some are niqabis . The group pictures of the couples was published throughout the Arab media and filmed by aljazeera

mandi... but on seeing ths thread by any one(who never does home work) will surely believe..

It doesn't need to be deleted. it's a good example of a hoax and how to de-bunk a hoax. All it takes is a google search, i.e., homework.

Mandi

thread has to b deleted!! its sure hoax...

and wat a clause

"

Mass Muslim Marriage in Gaza

Poor kids - what a terrible fate to be born as a girl in a Muslim country"

pls... its really not tolerable...

I think most people have figured this by now but wish to keep the thread going =D

until and unless there is any sufficient evidence for it..

Hoax, people, that means fake. These girls are part of a large wedding, but they are "flower girls" not brides.

Mandi

This is what I believe, based on evidences,what the situation as far as child marriages go. See there was a time in many societies and among many religions, when it was perfectly acceptable for girls to be married at puberty. this was the norm many many years back. In fact my granny(who was an Indian) married around sixteen or maybe even younger. There were reasons for this as well. The low life span of men and women being one.( at least this is what the older people say)and the fact that back then kids were not considered kids after puberty and they were brought up accordingly.

However now times have changed. Children at even eleven and twelve, though they may reach puberty, lack the physical and mental maturity of the the young ones years back. so its not practical or advisable for such youngsters to be having sexual relationships which can in turn result in pregnancy and child birth. Allahu'alim.. but this is a fact today.

this is absurd.... if this is true how couldthe parents allow their young daughters married at that young age.....and why there is such law as this that allows youngs girl to get married with guy 3 time olderthat them... are the those people out of thier mind???????i can't believe it

dont thik its true.... they wld never allow tht... those photos must b of some national parade r somethin!!...

"Islam doesn't allow the girl to be married before they are grown enough (17-18 years)."

Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1418095#ixzz13wbNsjqk

Scholars have agreed that there is no minimum age required for nikah except that the girl give her consent. That is why some countries cannot rid themselves of child marriage.

thank You lost Marbles,

this kind of your fake stories keep reminding us, that U only lost your previous ID.

will U be fair enough to post a story of your sweet home Britain where teenager girls are smuggled from eastern europe and forced for prostitution???

Islam doesn't allow the girl to be married before they are grown enough (17-18 years). If somebody do this type of acts, doesn't mean that all Muslims do the same. Just a common sense, how somebody will accept such a child as his bride? There is always law in each country and if somebody violates, he can be arrested and punished for it.

if this is a fake or Hoax info, then this thread MUST be removed at once.

"Muhammed married a six year old bride. But he was kind enough to wait until she was nine years old to consumate the "marriage".

So, nine years is old enough???

Sickos.

Looks like a conflicting report..

It is just worth for crying for these innocent girls..

I am disappointed that so many good people on QL have fallen victim to Israeli propaganda. It is obvious that these photographs are fakes. These "weddings" in Palestine never happened. If you look carefully at the photographs, you will see that in fact these photos were taken in Los Angeles. The "men" in the photos are really Mossad agents and there is no place called Gaza. Houmous is not spelled with an "a" and it is a food made from some kind of bean, I think.

The Israelis have put all of this misinformation onto the Internet to hide their evil actions.

A hoax..

Example...

The article says ..

"The International Center for Research on Women now estimates that there are 51 million child brides now living on planet earth and almost all in Muslim countries."

From the ICR Website -

"No one religious affiliation was associated with child marriage, according to a 2007 ICRW study. Rather, a variety of religions are associated with child marriage in countries throughout the world."

Please check stories before posting .. Thanks..

how easily even the so-called educated falls into a hoax...

Wait for the remaining muslim bashers to turn up....

MODS should delete this hoax post....

soo we know whats true and not ! ...it is really intentional to portray a wrong image about Hamas, or just an honest mistake by 'lost marbles' ?!?

Thanx Mandi and Zana..that's a relief. Though my opinion of Hamas and their supporters remain the same its good to know these lovely girls are not a part of their misdeeds!

are really sick,who`s their praising?what a hell of a world they are living,i love being with my religion,although a lot of negatives public fames i heard,but for these kind of doings as they are is a mortal sin;

marrying a innocent child?what kind of behaviour they have?

Protest message, supposedly supported by photographs of child brides, claims that 450 girls under ten were forced to marry adult men in a mass Muslim marriage recently held in Gaza

Messages like the example included above are currently circulating via email and have also been posted to a great many blogs, online forums and social networks around the world, where they have generated a flood of often vitriolic anti-Islamic sentiment and very heated debate. The messages claim that hundreds of pre-pubescent girls were forced to marry adult grooms in a recent mass wedding ceremony in Gaza organized by Palestinian Islamic organization, Hamas. According to the messages, 450 brides, most of whom were under ten years old, were married to 450 grooms most of whom were in their mid to late twenties. The messages accuse Hamas of actively and willfully promoting pedophilia and condemn the act as "bizarre & shameful".

Support for these claims is centered around several photographs supposedly showing tiny "brides" dressed all in white and holding the hands of their much taller, grown-up "grooms". However, while a mass wedding did indeed take place in Gaza in July 2009, the claim that the photographed children were actually the brides in the ceremony is untrue. These photographs represent virtually the entire "body of evidence" that supports the claims in these indignant protest messages. However, this supposed photographic "evidence" is in fact meaningless because they do not actually depict child brides at all. Instead, they show young family members of either the bride or the groom. At such Muslim wedding ceremonies, it is a tradition for young girls to dress up and play a role in the celebrations in a way similar to how flower girls are used in Western wedding ceremonies. Although these young girls do look like little brides, they are certainly not the ones getting married.

Hamas has vehemently denied that any children were married at the event. In fact, a Hamas official told WorldNetDaily that the youngest girl married at the ceremony was 16 years old while most were over 18 years of age.

These scurrilous and inflammatory reports began circulating soon after the Hamas sponsored mass-wedding took place.

A 30 July 2009 AFP news article notes:

Nearly a thousand Palestinians celebrated marriage on Thursday night in a ceremony organized by Hamas in the north of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas dignitaries including Mahmud Zahar, one of the militant group's top leaders, were on hand to congratulate 450 grooms who took part in the carefully stage-managed event.

"We are saying to the world and to America that you cannot deny us joy and happiness," Zahar told the men, all of whom were dressed in identical black suits and hailed from the nearby Jabalia refugee camp.

Each groom received a present of $500 from Hamas, which said its workers had also contributed five per cent of their monthly salaries to add to the wedding gift.

Much has been made of the fact that no photographs of the real brides have made it into news reports about the event. This seeming omission has been seized upon by many commentators as more evidence that the children in the photographs really are the brides in spite of denials by Hamas and others. However, the absence of the brides is in fact just a reflection of how Muslim public ceremonies are conducted. News reports indicate that "the 450 brides shared none of the glamour, taking seats among the audience" while their grooms actively participated in event ceremonies. And a SkyNews video report about the mass wedding notes in reference to the brides that "The women are elsewhere". Tim Marshall, the journalist who presented the SkyNews video, was actually there at the mass wedding ceremony. In a blog post about his attendance, Marshall reiterates that the brides were elsewhere, noting that some of them were among the guests. He also writes:

The men and women are sitting, Most ignore the speeches, some even ignore the prayers. Then the fireworks explode, the cheering begins, and in march the Hamas scouts, bashing drums, looking every inch the future Hamas fighters many will be. Then the grooms, aged about 18 to about 28. They are holding hands with their young nieces and cousins, little girls aged from about 3 to 8, made up to the nines, wearing white wedding dresses.

Up they all go to the stage, the cheering and music grows ever louder. The girls were having the time of their lives, but, getting a little bored after a while, came down off the stage to dance with each other and play games.

Our report on this put it into context saying that it took place just a mile from the Israeli border and was a message from Hamas about its strength confidence and future fighters. Oh and that the brides were elsewhere. Pretty straightforward. It never struck me for a moment that the little girls might later be described in the bloggersphere as the brides! How naive I am.

Moreover, the 2009 mass-wedding is not at all unprecedented. An October 2008 New York Times article reporting on a Hamas sponsored mass wedding held in that year, notes that it was the tenth such event held in Gaza. The article also mirrors reports about the 2009 event, noting:

The 300 grooms were dressed in black pants, white shirts and colorful ties but no jackets, because of recent budget cuts. The brides, sitting separately among the women, wore head scarves and black robes over their evening dresses but were easily spotted by their heavy makeup. The couples had all signed marriage contracts before the event.

Ironically, reports about the 2008 event also featured photographs of young girls clad in white bride-like dresses. The New York Times article shows such youngsters dancing in front of the grooms. Apparently, the poison-pen denizens of the blogosphere saw no reason to conclude that the children in photographs of the 2008 mass wedding were actually the brides, so one wonders why they have so rabidly done so in 2009.

Perhaps the 2009 images are a little more compelling and it is, I suppose, at least possible that whoever first perpetrated these inflammatory falsehoods did so out of genuine misunderstanding. What is less forgivable - "bizarre & shameful" even - is that many hundreds of bloggers have gleefully perpetrated such errant nonsense in their publications without taking the few minutes required to check the veracity of its claims. While free speech is (or should be) a fundamental human right, perhaps even home-based citizen journalists should take at least some responsibility in ensuring that the information they publish is factual and accurate.

HOAX! Do your homework.

Mandi

Source needed first

That said this statement of yours cannot be right :" what a terrible fate to be born as a girl in a Muslim country"

Surely countries like Qatar, Dubai, etc are far different than countries like Palestine!You don't get such barbaric practices here,do you? I would say its only a great trial to be born a girl in any country or to any family that oppresses female off-springs, period. For just as you might get such injustices in Palestine you may also find gross acts of violence against females in other lands as well and not just Muslim countries!

Talk about innocence lost.

There is nothing anybody on this forum, or in this world, can say to defend this.