A condom with teeth?

now you are confused too.... :-(

So would that make you stupidly confused? ;-P

Reminds me the "TEETH" movie.

I already told what is on my mind much earlier in this thread. Rather than thinking about how good or bad this device is, I am more disturbed by the fact that women feel the need to wear something like this to go outside.

I am a bit confused, on some threads people tell me, I have opinion on everything, you tell me, I have no real thought. This is confusing :-/

I think the point is that even if this "silly" device stops one rape, then it has served its purpose....

Stupid is asking women to walk around wearing female condoms with teeth on them. generally, people with simple responses like yours have no real thoughts, they just throw out reprocessed phrases like yours. Think for yourself....what's on YOUR Mind...if you have one. Stop being lead around by the nose.

general I think stupid are those who feel the need to call others stupid to feel good about themselves but then we all have different opinions about everything :o)

Stupid, as I said earlier.... the funniest part of this whole thing are the idiots that keep on with the debate about this ridiculous thing for an entire day....LMAO!!

what is rape (a forced intercourse with a woman) so if man desire only touch her and make her naked then is it not rape then how a condom can stop him

FU;-)

Xena - You need to look closer a bit. Maybe there's one emotion hiding somewhere there.

So I am just stupidly seeing SA being bashed;-P

Lol FU.... playing with my emotions... I don't have any... emotions that is;-P

Its always better to test the waters....before you take the dip :(

I'm sure the US is behind this !!!

Xena - People are trying to play with your emotions ;P

Thats why I said... "If I didn't know any better" ;-P

Apprantely Xena you have stupid women there who develop stupid things to help other stupid women.

What? Country bashing on QL? NO NO NO, that does not happen !

a South Africa bashing thread;-P

Olive - I rest my case. Thanks for being a gracious debater.

It's your opinion its a stupid device. I think it's quite ingenious and I hope it becomes popular.

Olive - Yes she does sound like someone on a good mission. I take my statement about this doctor being funny back.

Now I just wish someone shows her a better way of committing herself to the cause. Spending her life and savings in developing this stupid device was a total waste. I would still like to see the results of the planned distribution though.

Thanks for sharing.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/20/south.africa.female.condom/index.html

Ehlers said she sold her house and car to launch the project, and she planned to distribute 30,000 free devices under supervision during the World Cup period.

"I consulted engineers, gynecologists and psychologists to help in the design and make sure it was safe," she said.

After the trial period, they'll be available for about $2 a piece. She hopes the women will report back to her.

Yes, a wopping $2 a piece. She sure sounds like a woman out to make money.

Ah yes, at some point the true colours are shown, no way around it.

Vindication is a great thing!

Olive - Which CNN article are we talking about? I only see the dailymail link that you have posted here.I would be happy to respond to that if you could provide the material you are referring to. I still think it's funny how one could sell a house and car at the pretext of helping others.

The things some people find amusement in...ah well!

If you read the CNN article FU, she's sold her house and car to market this. She's not looking for money and fame, she's looking to help women. I don't think that's funny and I'm disgusted with anyone that thinks it is.

Olive - And I thought we are talking about men in SA one of 20 of whom say that they have raped someone. Not the same.

To answer your question - I don't find rape funny. I find people like this doctor funny. The desperation to earn money and fame can drive people to such extremes.

I think any man that would laugh at this has some serious issues, since basically he's laughing at rape. You find rape funny FU?

Nomerci - Thanks for clarifying that you are a woman. I was confused all this while. Seriously. Now I wouldn't argue about the reality part coz obviously I can only talk theoretically on the topic. If I can get a clarity on the actual design and the use part of it,maybe that will help me in getting the idea.

FU, that is your opinion, mine is , obviously, different. AND, I actually AM a woman.....you are, obviously, not.

Plus, I think any woman that actually has been raped or threatened with it, will agree that having this contraption is better than not having it.

We can talk about this theoretically, reality is a different story though.

Nomerci - It will help only in diminishing the image of women in SA further. It has the potential to become a mockery to say the least.

They did try him Fu, he was acquitted. Money and power can buy you a lot of things, especially in a struggling African country. He's no role model for anyone. And I would hardly say this is useless. At the very least it will help catch rapist's.

FU, as I mentioned before, this condom is not a solution, it is not meant to solve anything. As I understand it, it is meant to help a little in certain situations.

And looking at the history of that country, and not only the recent one, it seems rather obvious to me that planning ahead and estimating potential reactions and consequences, is not one of the strengths of the inhabitants. Any of them.

Nomerci - Resorting to potentially useless means in the name of 'something is better' is not gonna solve anything. Raping babies and potential mates taking revenge are rooted in the mass illiteracy which needs to be tackled differently.

I am with Olive here. Also, this is not a solution to prevent rape in general, I also do not think it is meant as that. It is a device that may help a little.

What has not been mentioned though is this...what about girls being upset with their potential ,chosen, mates using it as a means for revenge etc?

I mean in a country where some people believe raping babies is a means of curing HIV, anything can happen!

Olive - He should be made the role model to teach a lesson to the rest. President being a rapist in a rape infested country is the biggest opportunity for the judiciary to put an end to it. Forever.

Who cares about teeth or no teeth, this issue is valid in SA who cares about it in ME.

Well when the President of South Africa stops raping 15 year old girls I'm sure he'll get to those things.

Olive - Something is better than nothing. i agree. It's just the contaption which doesn't fit into the logic. Somethings I would recommend:

1. Educate the masses.

2. Teach women - Self Defense.

3. Punish the criminals harshly and make it public.

And a $2 toothed condom is a much more reliable deterrent then a gun that costs more then they make in a year.

Sadly, many don't realise the extent of rape and abuse that women suffer in Africa and many other developing regions. I went to a gathering recently in London which was focusing on rape in Congo, SA, Kenya and Darfur. Kenya has made great strides, but in other places a woman has a higher chance of being raped than learning how to read :O(

Thank you Brit. Finally someone who see's that something is better than nothing!

Is it made up of steel.... :D

A great idea.. Not just acts as protection, but can peel cucumbers in your spare time ...

On a serious note, rape is quite prevelant in parts of Africa and anythin g that deters this is worth trying.

Well I guess it's a better option for the women using razor blades in their private parts.

WK - Not many rapists would get down straight to penetration if they know something might be in there which might hurt their junior.

Well FU, if every rapist started carrying carrots, then they are rapists and they deserve to go to jail.

Found the article again on CNN, and it goes a little bit more in depth. Basically this is to help CATCH rapists rather than prevent rape, as the men MUST go to a doctor to have it removed.

South Africa has one of the highest rape rates in the world, Human Rights Watch says on its website. A 2009 report by the nation's Medical Research Council found that 28 percent of men surveyed had raped a woman or girl, with one in 20 saying they had raped in the past year, according to Human Rights Watch.

In most African countries, rape convictions are not common. Affected women don't get immediate access to medical care, and DNA tests to provide evidence are unaffordable.

"Women and girls who experience these violations are denied justice, factors that contribute to the normalization of rape and violence in South African society," Human Rights Watch says.

Women take drastic measures to prevent rape in South Africa, Ehlers said, with some wearing extra tight biker shorts and others inserting razor blades wrapped in sponges in their private parts.

Critics have accused her of developing a medieval device to fight rape.

"Yes, my device may be a medieval, but it's for a medieval deed that has been around for decades," she said. "I believe something's got to be done ... and this will make some men rethink before they assault a woman."

I like eating carrots, doesn't mean I'm a rapist.... Why do I end up steering some threads away from the original discussion unintentionally?

Olive - That way you'll end up putting alot of men in jail because:

A 2009 report by the nation's Medical Research Council found that 28 percent of men surveyed had raped a woman or girl, with one in 20 saying they had raped in the past year. It is also believed that 16 percent of the population is living with HIV.

FU everyone knows that at gun point, you can generally convince a girl to have sex with you, how many guys do you see carrying around guns or even knifes. As Olive said, If you are faced with a real desperate guy who has got enough time to first shove a carrot in and then wait to do the act then nothing is going to save you anyway.

The we can arrest any man walking around with a carrot.

Olive and WK - Come here. If this becomes GK won't the rapists start carrying carrots? Think about it.

How many guys walk around with a carrot with them ;)

Fu if you've come across a rapist who's got enough time to be sticking carrots up your vajayjay, then you are well and truly screwed and there's nothing that's going to save you from rape at that point.

Lol deepb :)

Olive - deepd's really got a point about the carrot. If it's designed like a mousetrap,carrot trick would work. Then what?

Positive, the article is written to well, but no it doesn't stay stuck in the girl. And obviously there are ways around it, there are ways around everything, but for some unsuspecting dickwad, it will work.

FU, if he does he still can't remove the condom without the help of a doctor, so at some point he needs to go to the doctor and then he can be caught.

Comeon guys, obviously it is not a foolproof rape prevention device but it can work in certain one on one situations.

Olive - What if the rapist has friends waiting in the car?

Are you sure it doesn't stay stuck in the girl? So all he needs to do is poke a carrot in before raping her? I don't think physical pain will immobilize either...

Well it can act as a deterrent in theory.

The condom doesn't stay stuck in the girl FU, he can pull it out, but he's in such pain he's basically immobilized and can't walk or run away.

LOL Alkhater...nice wordplay.

I am condoming rape... not condoning

pepper spray, knife, gun, alarm sound are better options than this weird inventions.

Causing further harm will not cure the problem.

Best to prevent, not to retaliate!

Eat a goat?

Wear a steel condom....

look what I wrote.... solution to stop harm to either party... no rape, no penis cut off, no vagina slicing.

Anti teeth condom or device

Guys! Definitely someone will invent some short of device which can protect rapist from teeth condom. Say Anti teeth condom or device which can be wear in penis or insert to defuse the teeth before the action.

So best protection is the self precaution.

Alkhater are you condoning the rapists?

It's not needed here Darude. Qatar is a safe country and Doha it's capital.

I will pay a scientist to create this.... to reverse the effects of the vagina teeth. that way, no harm is done by other party, and no harm is caused.

Better solution!!!!

Lol!

online order.

Alkhater - I'am out of work.

You people should be working... hahaha

I heard that in South Africa even brids also fly through one wings. LOL

Alkhater - LOL...Don't tell me you are gonna 'invent' that.

Where are all of you messaging from? Work?

The rapist can get a set of teeth for his penis.....

Anything can happen in this world... ;)

Olive - Not sure if you are wrong or I'am. Just to clarify, the guy 'will' run away whether it's him or his shaft that's stuck,either in the woman or in the contraption.

deepb - It wouldn't be. The rapist would have calmed down by then and maybe he would try to talk his way out of it.

Wouldn't it be just a more traumatic situation with the rapist penetrating and stuck inside the victim for god knows how long till the authorities arrive?

I'm assuming the thing is no more uncomfortable for the woman to wear than a normal female condom, diyaphram or tampon. As for emotionally, the woman is already being raped, surely it would be worse if he could finish the job?

The rapists shaft isn't stuck in the woman, it's stuck in the condom, he's basically in so much pain though that he can't flee the scene, she however can.

Olive - It's difficult to think clearly even while peeing but this contraption will make things worse for the women for two major reasons:

1. It would be uncomfortable for the women - Physically and Emotionally as drmana mentioned.

2. If a rapists shaft is stuck in there, he might as well kill the victim.He can't keep lying there waiting for the cops to get it out for him.

Pain to whom?

IF there's multiple rapists FU, then it already is violent for the woman. This things doesn't promise to stop all types of rape, but in a one on one situation where the guy is un aware of the condom, it could help. You telling me you're going to be able to think clearly with teeth ripping into your shaft.

And as she said, there are women putting razor blades in their vagina to protect themselves, surely this is the better option.

reythiel - This thread is meant to stop people from going to SA.

Also, you can't wear this everywhere and it would cause more pain than solve the problme itself.

Also, you can't carry a gun with you everywhere, you can't bring it to bars, where you have the highest likelyhood of meeting a rapist (date rape drug) you aren't likely to bring it to a party, or a World Cup game, a concert, etc. There are loads of places this is more practical then a gun.

By reading all your threads, if i were in South Africa carrying a gun is better and shot directly the one who will try to rape me ;)

Olive - I have doubts about the design itself.I know it would be something like a mousetrap but then it would be very uncomfortable for the women. Also, if it can be removed easily,then there's no stopping the rapist from removing it forcefully. Incase there are multiple rapists,it might turn more violent for the victim.

I doubt it would be more uncomfortable then a tampon.

it would be so uncomfortable to walk around with it ?

Al Khater you're supposed to put it on before you go out.

This is a dumb article. How is the woman going to get it on in time. Is she going to stop the rapist, and tell him to put it on? Is she going to walk around with a set of teeth down there all the time? Is she going to agree with the rapist to have sex, but only if he puts it on? Is the rapist going to use her condom before he rapes her?

Cmon.... this would never work, and is clearly just a load of crap.

If a 200lb guy decided he wanted my gun, chances are he'd have it before I'd have a chance to shoot it. So I'd rather have that.

WK - I agree. But it's still better than having that teeth thing inside you.

FU not everyone is comfortable around a gun even if it is for their own safety.

Maybe not but his family is.

Besides the point is - Would someone rather carry a gun if one knows you are exposed or would you want to wear that ridiculous thing?

If he calls people "locals" and carries guns he's not what I'd call nice.

Well then he's not very South African is he.

We hang out on weekends at his place with his family Olive. I guess he's the Nice kind of South African :)

My friend has an Irish Passport Olive. So that should explain the 'locals' part.

From what I've been told FU, most South Africans don't carry guns because it's more likely the weapon you carry will be used against you then used by you. And yes FU, well all women are targets of rape the black women in South Africa are more at risk, do to many factors. And I've never heard of a South African refer to the blacks as "locals", every South African I know refers to themselves as South African, regardless of skin colour. Perhaps you should check what kind of South Africans you're hanging out with.

Once the news is out with one or two men actually caught with it, others would be alert and remove it manually. After all, it can be manually removed while still inside female I suppose or else how would females themselves remove it. Hence, useless after sometime.

Olive - By 'locals' he meant the people other than whites.And probably they are perceived as locals eve today. The ones 'who are bigger targets of rape' don't exist. All women are potential targets.

The conversation above is to emphasize the importance of means,like guns, machhettes,knifes,pepper spray etc.which will actually act as deterrent and not act as 'making it difficult for the rapist'.

Arien - Thats where 'prevention is better' comes in. I guess the political situation,mass unemployement and crime go hand in hand at SA just like everywhere else.The cure should involve much more than measures like this 'invention'.

There are areas where whites lives , which are considerd comparatively safe.

Let it be , joburg, Nairobi or Lagos.. if you are in a wrong place at the wrong time, you will walk home nude. they wont even spare your used underwear.

I know none of my husbands family carry guns.

FU the statistics speaks, rape and armed robberies are common in SA and not all of them has a gun with them.

Locals? I'm assuming they mean their fellow South Africans. While it's nice to know that the whites carry guns, what about the women who aren't white and are the bigger targets for rape?

I just spoke to a friend here who is from SA and I asked him about this. His two sisters and a younger brother are in Jo'berg and this is what he says:

"You gotta be kidding me mate. My sisters carry guns and it does the trick.Most locals know that whites have guns and no one tries to hurt.The woman ( Doctor ) must have lost her mind"

If indeed it works(if proved effective in trials), how about reducing the price and make it available easily for everyone. Its single use one I think and price tag doesn't look much encouraging.

I doubt the validity of this story and/or the doctor in the first place. Second, this is just stupid....it'll never be something that will become mainstream in any country......stupid...

And this isn't in the right direction? What would you suggest is?

LP - Yiikkkes!

Olive - Small step would be better if it's in the right direction.

But these guys have a weak immune system, FU. Just kiss them and they'll die from the bacteria you transfer.

Sometimes women have to venture into dangerous places as a necessity, hell, they might live in a dangerous area. If the condom did permanent damage it would never be allowed on the market. Surely a small step is better than no step at all.

As I said earlier this is a good thing for some situations. And if it is advertised as suggested by the article then it would help in preventing rapes for sometime. Not all rapists are going to debate about it like what we are doing here.

So the publicity that the rapist will get his organ confiscated and held inside is enough to make some think twice till such a time when there would be a failure of such a condom to prevent rape. So any step to prevent rape is a good step however functional it is.

LP - Not necessarily. HIV Positive women still run the risk of getting rapped by HIV Positive Rapists.

The question is whether is it any protection or not. Would the necessity of needing a doctor prevent potential rapist to back out? If women feel safe to venture out in dangerous areas thinking they are safe wearing it, then it is more dangerous. It would have been better to invent condom causing permanent damage. That could at least have caused actual decrease in rape.

A sticker saying "HIV Positive" would also do, FU.

Frankly drmana, if I were living in South Africa or other places with incredibly high rape rates I would have a fearful state of mind and I would use these things. I don't think we can put ourselves in the shoes of someone who lives in a country with the highest rape rate in the world and tell them they shouldn't do everything possible to protect themselves.

It would be better if all the women intending to use this just put a tag on their back saying - "Beware! I'am wearing the Teeth Condom!"

That will be a bigger deterrent than this one. And rape can happen anally too. So does this doctor expect women to wear two of them?

ok lets be serious

the best way to prevent abuse is to use ur knees on his groin bcoze rape doesnt mean only penetration but physical harm as well. women should do the following:-

learn self defense

pepper spray

sharp nails

and so on

It's a silly idea...in case of violence against women, better to use a knife and get rid of the offending instrument altogether.

Olive, what would be the state of mind of girl putting these condoms on. All fearful and terrified of everything. It should be traumatic to her just to put these on.

Also, putting these may give her false sense of security which would be so so wrong. It doesn't prevent rape just the penetration.

In an ideal world drmana, they would have something to prevent all of that, but surely this is better than nothing and is a step in the right direction?

Mana - I agree with you 100%

But then doctors like this one need something to keep them busy and hopefully make them rich and famous.

I still think a pepper spray and a big knee up there works better than anything else

FU the fundamental of the plumbing are scarcely known and the functions rarely investigated by a common person !!!!;)

If such is the situation, then condoms causing permanent damage would be better. If these guys are not afraid of committing rape, why would they be afraid of such toys. Sooner or later, they would find way around it.

Also, rape doesn't mean just penetration. How about the psychological trauma the lady goes through. Measures should be directed at preventing rape not preventing penetration.

soon im gonna invent a condom which will be the father of all condoms

Mehnis - Great men think alike ;)

In the understanding of how this works on a base level seems to suggest that the condom probably contracts to tighten around the penetrated object.

So it has to be fixed to something inside to hold on. It has to be attached to the female body. If it is going to hurt the man then it will definitely hurt the woman inside too. And it could cause serious damage to tissues because of the force a man can project.

In places like South Africa your backyard can be considered a dangerous area.

is it battery operated ?

drmana - Sometimes it's inevitable. Women have to go to these places for sevveral reasons. Blind dates are meant to be exciting. These 'teeth' only increase the excitement IMO.

If a girl is scared of "going out on some kind of blind date ... or to an area she's not comfortable with"...she should go to these places at all. Thats the best solution. Wearing such condoms and going on blind date anticipating danger or going to dangerous area and then wearing these condoms looks kind of silly.

Mehnis - I thought as much. It would be difficult to fix and use and easy to remove IMO.

this is getting Nasty now.....

It should atleast deter some of the intending rapists but may not work with violence involved. A knife at the throat will ensure its removal.

Besides if the penetrated object cannot be removed then this condom has to be fixed rigidly inside. Not sure how this will work.

i say they should invent TOBASCO CONDOM for extra boost for fire

Good one FU, LOL!

well, it would still be better if it cuts it off permanently..

it may prevent the rape but any damaged to the rapist organ might also be a disaster to the victim. In the article, the item will prevent any skin damaged so no fluid can also transfer to the victim which might be a source for HIV. The doctor should be commended!

MJ - It will teach 'him' a lesson. Others will still continue.

chocoholic, you got it.. ;)

wonder if that will teach them a lesson.. :P

mj, sort of like a mini-guillotine!

they could've made the teeth sharper.. sharp enough to castrate him.. :P

plus me have more weird and nasty ideas :P

Men should use the chastity belt.

Da they should wear a condom which generates 5000Volts electricity when they are being attacked or being raped....:)

Well it is South Africa which has one of the highest rape rates in the world...and actually it doesn't stop rape, as the man does have to penetrate her to get "caught" however it does lessen the risk of her getting hurt & catching a disease. Frankly I think it's a good thing.

who gets raped by girls???

what should they do to avoid it.

It's a bit disturbing to hear that women need such drastic measures to avoid being raped. The males there should be ashamed of themselves.

Invention is the Mother of Necessity!

Tatz a cruel invention for a man kind....:)

might be doing new research in creating device to identify person who is wearing such condoms like "Bluetooth" to be cautious

let guys, dedicate this thread to Gurlzzz :P

I dont this this will deter any rapists from raping...I actually think that as they get a thrill out of doing it it might actually increase it as having a sick mind they will look at it as a kind of dare - come on do it and see what happens...

not sure,.. I think I prefer a gun... :P

This is extreme and might not work if the rapists are aware or doubt that the woman might be using it. They might force the woman to remove it before they actually assault. However, some passionate criminals might become the victims.

Reminds me the "Slankyou story" :)

If women are living in the constant fear of getting raped then they need more than a condom with teeth to be safe.

Ooouchhh !!