Saudi Arabia to behead "sorcerer"
No this is not an April Fool's joke. Sadly.
Lawyer: Beheading planned in Saudi sorcery case
March 31, 2010 -- Updated 2227 GMT (0627 HKT)
(CNN) -- A Lebanese man charged with sorcery and sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia is scheduled to be beheaded on Friday, the man's lawyer said Wednesday.
May El Khansa, the attorney for Ali Hussain Sibat, told CNN that she and Sibat's family were informed about the upcoming execution. She said she heard from a source in Saudi Arabia with knowledge of the case and the proceedings that Saudi authorities "will carry out the execution."
The Saudi Ministry of Justice could not immediately be reached for comment on the matter.
El Khansa said she has appealed to Lebanon's prime minister, Saad Hariri, and president, Michel Suleiman, to stop the execution. Amnesty International, the human rights group, has called on Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah to block it as well.
Sibat is the former host of a popular call-in show that aired on Beirut-based satellite TV channel "Sheherazade." According to his lawyer, Sibat would predict the future on his show and give out advice to his audience.
El Khansa told CNN her client was arrested by Saudi Arabia's religious police (known as the Mutawa'een) and charged with sorcery while visiting the country in May 2008. Sibat was in Saudi Arabia to perform the Islamic religious pilgrimage known as Umra.
Video: Man awaits death sentence for 'sorcery'
Sibat was then put on trial, and in November 2009, a court in the Saudi city of Medina found him guilty and sentenced him to death.
According to El Khansa, Sibat appealed the verdict. The case was taken up by the Court of Appeal in the Saudi city of Mecca on the grounds that the initial verdict was "premature."
El Khansa tells CNN that the Mecca appeals court then sent the case back to the original court for reconsideration, stipulating that all charges made against Sibat needed to be verified and that he should be given a chance to repent.
On March 10, judges in Medina upheld their initial verdict, meaning Sibat is once again sentenced to be executed.
"The Medina court refused the sentence of the appeals court," said El Khansa, adding her client will appeal the verdict once more.
Thanks for the update drmana. Hope this is a indication of progress in Saudi.
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/lebanese-not-to-be-beheaded-for-witchcraft-lawyer-says-1.615774
deepb, He should have known better and not admit it like that... at least he could say that he did FAKE sorcery not REAL sorcery and was an extortionist and is now repentant and that's why he came to the holy places. To ask for forgiveness from god.
Open dialog regarding what veri? I do not see any reason as to why this person who came to Saudi for religious purposes should be beheaded. And if you believe Saudi is right in what it's doing then we can agree to disagree.
He is just arrogant.
deepb... its obvious that you have already made up your mind and don't want to have an open dialogue...
1. My parents are not Indian.
2. My ignorance??? You can obviously read, but do you actually have any level of intelligence? If you do it really doesnt show which leads me to point 3.
3. Read my posts again - i certainly am NOT trying to justify anything. What i was trying to do was... ahhh forget it - you're not worth it you ignoramus!
4. I'm not your mate.
That's what I said before "Bleu". I said exactly what you said, only in different context.
John of Arc >>
Pig's ear purse is evil? That's cute. When I say evil I'm talking about complete evil. Not selling pig's ear purses. There isn't as much evil there as there is in the rest of the world. There might be alcohol, but not with the consent of the country. Rape exists, but doesn't go unpunished. Stuff like that just slides around the rest of the world. It's ridiculous. You don't have to buy anything I'm saying because it's not for sale. It's the truth.
I was born and raised in the USA and just left there 3 years ago. I spent a year in Newcastle at Law school then came here and I have to tell you...I liked better in England. Not because of the surroundings, but because of the people. They're so real. Muslims are Muslims and they fight for their religion. I know there are some that are hanging out in bars, but for the most of the Muslims there, they're just trying to be the best they can be. Everyone else just does what they normally do without being two-faced. I learned that people here are VERY two-faced and it's quite irritating.
But back to the subject:
These so-called Islamic countries are too busy worrying about self-proclaimed psychics and "wizards" and aren't doing their job at catching the murderers, rapists, thieves, etc. It's stupid.
qtreze,
Just to emphasize on a few points:
KSA is a Kingdom because it is under the rule of the Al-Saud family, who named the country after their family.
There is no such things as a country becoming a Caliphate.
Just to emphasize on a few points:
KSA is a Kingdom because it is under Islamic ruling. There is no such things as a country becoming a Caliphate. When someone is a "khalifa", it is a status one holds in society. However, when someone is chosen to be a King, it is a position. All Muslim and Arab countries are run under a Kingdom ruling. As you can see, the UK is also a Kingdom for its religious background as well.
For the comment of KSA being the "Devil's Kingdom":
Consider this world as it is. The devil is everywhere except for KSA. Madina is the home of the prophet, Mekka is where the Ka'ba is. Millions of Muslims from around the world migrate there to perform Hajj...to get away from the evils of the world.
I don't think I need to go into detail about other places in this world that are the Devil's playground. KSA is following Islamic rulings on things such as sorcery (not saying the guy is guilty for it). But I will say that as much as I agree that rape, robbery, murder, and related crimes should be punishable by death, I do not condone innocent people going under for a crime they didn't commit and were just accused of committing.
On the same note, keep in mind (for you non-Muslims and non-Arabs alike) that you are in an Islamic part of the world (or so-called Islamic part of the world) and should respect whatever rulings occur. You are here living freely as if you were in your own home country.
They claim it was by request of the minister of interior. Probably part of the action to "catch him".
Nope wasn't asking about this broadcast, bleu. I was asking about the initial broadcast of his horoscope show on the Saudi Sports Channel. Why was it broadcasted when it was against Saudi's rules?
deepb, they broadcast this while he was in jail... to show people a "criminal"...
deepb, they broadcast this while he was in jail... to show people a "criminal"...
I couldn't follow the video on youtube completely as my comprehension of the Arabic language is not that great. It's the Saudi sports channels claims against what the rest of the news sources are saying.
Bleu, can you tell me if they gave any explanation as to why Saudi Sports Channel broadcast his television programme when horoscope predictions are considered to be illegal?
bleu...no matter how many videos or links you post here, "they" will not agree. They will come up with some new (irrelevant) points. :-)
dup
While QL was "read-only" I searched on youtube, and found some videos of the Saudi Sports TV channel's interview (which was was after the arrest).
The arrest was done after they caught him working on "witchcraft" in a Saudi Hotel.
(It's all in Arabic)
Wow !! You can either choose to believe what you want to or you can choose to look at the facts and come to a conclusion. You discount the credibility of two of my sources on what basis? Because you haven't heard of them ? Or because you don't want to accept what they report?
Stem is not a suitably vague term. Stem when used as a verb means - to arise or originate. As used in - This project stems from last week's lecture. So it means as a result of his appearance in the show, he has been arrested for the crime of sorcery.
Was he the one who broad casted the show on Saudi sports channel or was it the Saudi Sports Channel people, who were at fault to broad cast the show? According to your reasoning, all the websites and newspapers that publish horoscopes, and are available on the net in Saudi, are guilty of the same crime ?
yes, now we are getting somewhere...
the CNN link you have posted just says he was sentenced AFTER claiming to predict the future, that doesn't mean he was sentenced FOR predicting the future... I may eat food after I read the newspaper, doesn't mean I ate food because I read the newspaper
The other two links you have posted are not really credible sources
BBC says... "He was arrested by religious police on sorcery charges while on a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia in 2008"
AOL says... "A popular Lebanese TV personality who hosted a show where he predicted the future and gave callers advice is awaiting execution in Saudi Arabia for witchcraft, his lawyer said this week. "
VOA says... "The charges stem from Sibat's job in Lebanon, where he has hosted a popular television show in which he made predictions on an Arab satellite TV channel from his home in Beirut."... 'stem'... again a suitable vague term...
My point is not that I am certain he was sentenced for crimes committed on Saudi soil. My point is that no one has any details. the links you posted from are just speculation. No one knows for sure...
Besides, the nature of the crime is not personal, it is public... If a mastermind plans a crime in the US from foreign soil, you can count on the US to hunt him down... the same logic applies here as well... By being public on TV, he has perpetuated his crime in Saudi
In Islam, there is a big difference between a crime that is personal and one that is publicized, i.e. for instance drinking in a hotel room or your home as opposed to drinking in public... i.e. in the former, the person exercises the discretion not to corrupt or bother those around him whereas the latter doesn't care and advertises his offence...
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Any ideology, government or individual who defends the killing or the killers of a human being, can never expect to be received in the kingdom of God!
versi, did you even read any of the articles? All of them say that he was convicted for predictions made on the tv show that was recorded in Beirut and unfortunately for him broadcasted on Saudi Sports Channel.
Here are a few excerpts .
CNN's story highlights - Convicted of 'sorcery' after claiming to predict future on TV show LINK - http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/03/31/saudi.arabia.sorcery/index.html
About.com excerpt - In May 2008, Sibat was arrested in Medina, Saudi Arabia, while conducting the hajj pilgrimage. He was recognized by members of Saudi Arabia's vice police, who remembered him from his show. What were members of the vice police doing, watching the show (in itself an offense in Saudi Arabia), and watching it so often as to have an engraved memory of Sibat in their mind--a memory good enough to be recalled even though the show had been off the air--nobody asked.
LINK - http://middleeast.about.com/b/2010/04/02/saudi-arabia-stays-sword-over-lebanese-sorcerer.htm
Daily Star excerpt ( Lebanon Newspaper ) - According to Amnesty International, he was sentenced to death by a Medina court in 2009 for practicing “sorcery” because he “gave advice and predictions about the future” on a Lebanese television program.
LINK - http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=113395#axzz0kK28zo1t
I fail to find one single reliable source which says otherwise. Can you show me one reliable source which says the crime was committed on Saudi Soil now ?
No human have right to punish someone other than Almighty God, those who take Sword they will end by Sword" it is a true fact. We are none to judge others, (even you are a judge, judgement may not be correct in all case they only looks evidence and witness, so many people are punished/killed by arranging fales evidence or eye witness (for money). Which law can bring back them to the world if they caught the real killer later after an innocent man punished or excuted by law.
Source please... How did you arrive at the conclusion that he is being punished for crimes he committed outside of Saudi?
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Beheading in th 17th century in Europe is totally irrelevant to the topic
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Em... forget the part of the painfulness of the execution. Why should a person be punished for crimes he did not commit on the country's soil?
A bad reaction is in a minimum of cases Versi, If I had a choice I'd still choose lethal injection of this barbarity:
"Painlessness
If the headsman's axe or sword was sharp and his aim was true, decapitation was quick and was presumed to be a relatively painless form of death. If the instrument was blunt or the executioner clumsy, however, multiple strokes might be required to sever the head. The person to be executed was therefore advised to give a gold coin to the headsman to ensure that he did his job with care. Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex, and Mary, Queen of Scots, required three strikes at their respective executions. Margaret Pole, 8th Countess of Salisbury, required ten strokes before the fatal blow.[citation needed]
The Beheading of Cosmas and Damian, by Fra Angelico
To ensure that the blow would be fatal, executioners' swords usually were blade-heavy two-handed swords. Likewise, if an axe was used, it almost invariably would be wielded with both hands. In England a special form of axe was used for beheadings, with the blade's edge extending downwards from the tip of the shaft.[citation needed]
Finland's official beheading axe resides today at the Museum of Crime in Helsinki. It is a broad-bladed two-handed axe. It was last used when murderer Toivo Koljonen was executed in 1826. All subsequent Finnish executions were made by firing squad. Capital punishment is no longer practiced in Finland."
Sorry I couldn't find any links about the current painlessness of beheading but this is the 21st century and very few places still behead.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
A bad reaction is in a minimum of cases Versi, If I had a choice I'd still choose lethal injection of this barbarity:
"Painlessness
If the headsman's axe or sword was sharp and his aim was true, decapitation was quick and was presumed to be a relatively painless form of death. If the instrument was blunt or the executioner clumsy, however, multiple strokes might be required to sever the head. The person to be executed was therefore advised to give a gold coin to the headsman to ensure that he did his job with care. Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex, and Mary, Queen of Scots, required three strikes at their respective executions. Margaret Pole, 8th Countess of Salisbury, required ten strokes before the fatal blow.[citation needed]
The Beheading of Cosmas and Damian, by Fra Angelico
To ensure that the blow would be fatal, executioners' swords usually were blade-heavy two-handed swords. Likewise, if an axe was used, it almost invariably would be wielded with both hands. In England a special form of axe was used for beheadings, with the blade's edge extending downwards from the tip of the shaft.[citation needed]
Finland's official beheading axe resides today at the Museum of Crime in Helsinki. It is a broad-bladed two-handed axe. It was last used when murderer Toivo Koljonen was executed in 1826. All subsequent Finnish executions were made by firing squad. Capital punishment is no longer practiced in Finland."
Sorry I couldn't find any links about the current painlessness of beheading but this is the 21st century and very few places still behead.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
My point was in reference to your earlier statement... "The first injection puts you to sleep, the other two kill you painlessly."... yeah right...
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really those how are interested will watch even at home, but those who do not want or say they will waste their time.
Guys do not watch it at work but watch it at home as simple as that.
You didn't post the link for what Amnesty international says about beheading. Perhaps you could do that so we can compare.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
like I implied in any way that Amnesty condones beheading...
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Saudi blocks all forms of entertainment. QL is a form of entertainment :P
now with this topic Saudi arabia will block QL in KSA :/
Thank you all.
Don't have YouTube at work so I can't watch it. But Versi you should point out that Amnesty International is against ALL forms of capital punishment.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
Everyone has conveniently side stepped the electric chair... yeah right on...
Here is what Amnesty has to say about lethal injections... http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/lethal-injection/page.do?id=1101012
"I wonder how many thousands ( Actually I believe the number is in the tens of thousands) have died because of fanatical Imam's have urged people to commit suicide bombings?"
Actually that fits in perfectly with the point I was making... people perpetuating wrongful beliefs and misleading people spiritually is a serious matter...
And while we talk about needless killings... here something on the topic... and in the news TODAY... Watch till the end, don't miss the bit about the children
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death by lethal injection will take only half of the life?
or will it make less harmful?
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Actually Beep I've met many lovely Saudi's, however their government has never done anything respectable or smart.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
So that justifies your generalization against all Saudi's
Very intellectual indeed
no need to waste any more of my time here
Aim for the stars..
Reach the roof
Olive, you are right. The first shot of the lethal injection process puts you to sleep, then after you are asleep, the other drugs are administered that kills you. No, your head is not covered. You are laying strapped onto a gurney (hospital bed).
Heartcollector...what country do you think we are from?
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
I did not make any claims unsupported claims versi. As I clearly stated, that is what news sources have reported. How they report it or why they report is to them. I believe journalists are not required to name their sources.
This on the other hand is what you said -"Not one person has spoken in appreciation of the decision to not execute the individual, while everyone was on the Saudi criticism wagon less than 24 hours ago... what does that say about people?"
Now that is based on no source and pulled out of thin air.
Yes BeeP Saudi and their stupidity. Sorry but Saudi is the last place in the world I would want to respect me.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
i quote "Can you not separate Saudi and their stupidity from Islam?"
saudi and their stupidity to be exact
abit too carried away generalizing perhaps?
if you expect respect, show respect
Aim for the stars..
Reach the roof
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
"Resident Attention Seeker"
Your head isn't covered I don't believe. The first injection puts you to sleep, the other two kill you painlessly.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
sure the first case is more frietening and they will be more scared, then some of those people who are watching the cut of the head may turn and change their life for better in order not to have same punishment.
Here are two cases:
case one stand and cover his head and cut the head direct.
case two put him on a chair and cover his head and inject him direct.
If he was injected will he/she die directly?
Ya, there can't be much emotional torture involved in dragging people out in front of a screaming crowd and having them wait for the sharpened blade to come down and their neck and HOPEFULLY cut through on the first time. No emotions involved there at all. :P
Jeez people wake up.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
While they are sleep and they will not wake up at all and will not try to run for their lives.
Or they will simply be on a chair tied to it and inject them.
I think they suffer more emmotionally by the lethal injection.
But beheading is direct.
OLIVE & MIKAY, MAY I know u r from which country ?
There Is No Present or Future, Only Past Happening Over & Over , Again
BEFORE POINTING OTHERS MAKE SURE UR HANDS ARE CLEAN!
Whoever has mentioned that KSA is Devils Kingdom must revert back to his/her own country & start giving those nasty kind of comments.
Ppl come to GCC and enjoy the life which they DEFINATELY CANNOT AFFORD in their own country.
Even themselves they must be ------- but pretend to be the most wise ppl on planet but bunch of idiots.
I will request u all stop giving those nasty comments abt others and choose a topic by which no1 will be hurt.
There Is No Present or Future, Only Past Happening Over & Over , Again
Right on Olive! Great point, but they won't see that.
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"I prefer this any day to what happened at Peoples Temple, Solar Temple or Heaven's Gate... How many black magicians or sorcerers have Saudi executed? 100? 200? Cult suicides in the US has lead to the death of more than a 1000 people and misled, confused and ruined the life of millions more and billions worldwide... people who perpetuate wrongful beliefs and mislead people spiritually is a serious matter..."
I wonder how many thousands ( Actually I believe the number is in the tens of thousands) have died because of fanatical Imam's have urged people to commit suicide bombings?
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
"Resident Attention Seeker"
If you go back to the first page of this thread, I listed all the info on what happens when you are lethally injected, which is far more humane than beheading.
And while I am at it, the suicide cult deaths in the US was brought up. Those people committed SUICIDE, the government had NOTHING to do with that. That is why it is called SUICIDE - the taking of your own life.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
and i'm the wizard of oz.
You choose to criticize beheading because it is graphic in nature to onlookers... but as far as the person who is being executed goes, the best we can do is to make death as quick and painless as possible...
In that respect... beheading is probably better than lethal injection, hanging and definitely better than the electric chair which is still in use by the way...
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sources please... you are making random statements with no basis... let me show you open ended statements from the press that may suggest otherwise...
from the link I had posted earlier...
"Ali Hussain Sibat, the father of five, was to be executed after noon prayers Friday, but a frenzy of media coverage, appeals by international human rights groups and intervention by several Lebanese government officials, 'MAY' have saved his life, at least temporarily."
Observe the word MAY, very vague and conveniently slipped in to the context of things. For all we know, this whole episode may have been choreographed carefully between the judiciary and the ruler to make a statement... why not?
I prefer this any day to what happened at Peoples Temple, Solar Temple or Heaven's Gate... How many black magicians or sorcerers have Saudi executed? 100? 200? Cult suicides in the US has lead to the death of more than a 1000 people and misled, confused and ruined the life of millions more and billions worldwide... people who perpetuate wrongful beliefs and mislead people spiritually is a serious matter...
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wahabis have a very conservative and reactionary approach in applying the sharia..
The system has not reflected on its decision. The King has decided to step in stay it for now due to pressure from International Human Rights organizations. This is as reported by news sources. Why should we appreciate the Saudi Judiciary system for that? We will appreciate it, if the person is sent back to his own country so that they can try him for the crime if necessary.
How do you know that the decision to not execute the individual was taken because of the criticism?
And even if it were, shouldn't the system be given credit for being bold enough to reflect on its original stance?
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But the decision to not execute the individual has been taken because everyone was on Saudi criticism wagon less than 24 hours ago. Not just here on QL but everywhere.
What do you mean by 'your counter claim'... I have not mentioned that this man has committed a crime on Saudi soil... I have said that there is a lot of ambiguity about why this man has been sentenced thus...
Anyway, I did refer to 'certain individuals' eagerness to jump to conclusions
Also, bear in mind that whatever has caused for this sentence to be stayed is within the judicial system, regardless of where the pressure may have come from so you should give credit where it is due...
Not one person has spoken in appreciation of the decision to not execute the individual, while everyone was on the Saudi criticism wagon less than 24 hours ago... what does that say about people?
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Again doesn't say that he committed the crime on Saudi soil. He did it on a tv show which was recorded in Beirut. It also happened to air on the Saudi sports channel unfortunately for him.
By the way the link doesn't seem to be working.
The following report was in Arabian Business.com dated 3rd April and the Url is given below. I trust this would bring more clarity to all who have commented
Saudi ‘sorcerer’ gets temporary reprieve - report
by Neeraj GangalThis email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it on Friday, 02 April 2010
SAUDI SORCERER: The magician was arrested at a hotel in Madinah two years ago. (Getty Images)A Lebanese man sentenced last month to death in Saudi Arabia for sorcery has been given a temporary reprieve, according to a report.
Ali Hussein Subat's execution was scheduled for Friday but his lawyer, May El Khansa, told the BBC that she had been assured by a Lebanese minister it would not happen.
In March, the General Court in Madinah had upheld its verdict against the 46-year-old accused. The court had said that Subat (also called Shahrzad) deserved death for publicly practicing black magic, thus spreading corruption on the earth, the Arab News daily had reported last month.
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In a statement last month, the court said it was not convinced by the appeal bench’s rejection of its verdict against the sorcerer and its attempt to ask the man to repent.
The court insisted that the magician deserved death in order to make him an example and deterrent for others, especially for foreigners who come to the Kingdom to practice sorcery.
The magician was arrested at a hotel in Madinah two years ago. Members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice seized a talisman where he had written the name of a man, his mother and wife, Arab News added.
Shahrzad admitted in front of the general court in Madinah that he had presented a black magic program on the Saudi Sports Channel. However, he claimed that he was practicing black magic during the past eight years in order to treat patients, Arab News said.
But Lebanese prime minister Saad Hariri had been urged to intervene on his behalf, according to the BBC.
"The minister of justice for Lebanon called me and told me that nothing would happen [on Friday]," Shahrzad’s lawyer told the BBC.
"But after that I don't have an answer as to if he will be alive or not.
"Time is passing and if they don't kill him this Friday maybe next Friday," Khansa told BBC’s World Today programme.
refered by ...... ->
url is -> www.arabianbusiness.com%2F585127-saudi-sorcerer-gets-temporary-reprieve---report
This was in Arabian Business.com on February 12th
Saudi court upholds death sentence against 'sorcerer'
by Neeraj Gangal on Friday, 12 March 2010
SAUDI SORCERER: Shahrzad admitted in front of the general court in Madinah that he had presented a black magic program on the Saudi Sports Channel. (Getty Images)
General Court in Madinah upheld its verdict against 46-year-old accused Arab sorcerer Ali Hussein Subat (also called Shahrzad), according to a report.
The court said that Shahrzad deserved death for publicly practicing black magic, thus spreading corruption on the earth, the Arab News reported on Friday.
In a statement on Wednesday, the court said it was not convinced by the appeal bench’s rejection of its verdict against the sorcerer and its attempt to ask the man to repent.
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“All evidence proved that he was practicing black magic,” the court said.
The general court has now passed the case back to the Appeals Court in Makkah, Arab News said.
The court insisted that the magician deserved death in order to make him an example and deterrent for others, especially for foreigners who come to the Kingdom to practice sorcery.
The magician was arrested at a hotel in Madinah two years ago. Members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice seized a talisman where he had written the name of a man, his mother and wife, the daily added.
Shahrzad admitted in front of the general court in Madinah that he had presented a black magic program on the Saudi Sports Channel. However, he claimed that he was practicing black magic during the past eight years in order to treat patients, Arab News said.
veri, the nature of his crime has been clearly documented and reported in many news sources. Your counter claim of him being executed for committing sorcery on Saudi soil has not be supported by any such sources. If I have missed any such source, be so kind as to share the link with us.
His stay of execution was due to demands from International Human Rights organizations and not due to Saudi courts reconsidering their decision.
He is not executed because of the large scale protests this decision generated. Some of them had similar comments that are expressed in this thread.
Actually, the exact nature of his crime is not clear and besides, he may have been sentenced to death but he hasn't been executed... that is not a minor detail that you can just brush aside...
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I don't see any reliable news source reporting he committed the crime on Saudi soil. On the other hand I've seen most reports contradicting that.
BTW update - He has been given a stay of execution by the King. No news of what will be done with him though.
http://middleeast.about.com/b/2010/04/02/saudi-arabia-stays-sword-over-lebanese-sorcerer.htm
Dear Sonia,
Great stats...... what's your point once again????
In most cultures around the world, there are somethings, stupid things, even silly things, such as this poor lebanese man predicting the future, that are absolute taboo in Saudia.
This poor harmless man was doing nothing more than entertaining people. I have had my future predicted by fortune tellers so many times. It is all in good faith and with a pinch of salt of course.
And the fact remains that he was doing it back home and of course his government did not mind it otherwise he would not be doing it. Then what is the problem that the Saudis have? This kind of behaviour is absolutely deplorable.
And in this case it's not about the behavoir of the Saudis but an innocent man's life is at stake. There is one simple solution to this sort of behaviour by the Saudis.
There are many things about their culture that are not accepted in cultures the world over. Start arresting Saudis on foreign soil. Start convicting them for this that and the other and beheading them.
How would they like to be on the other side of the fence? But of course other nations are far too civilized to behave in such a manner.
In conclusion: Let he who is blemishless cast the first stone.
to Sajmarhab and Mehnis for clearing this one up, and to other contributors for perspective. Looks like many of us were too quick to judge... AGAIN!
To summarise, KSA arrested the guy for crimes committed WITHIN KSA, 'some' Indians still practise child sacrifice and drink cow urine, and Catholocism has a LOT of explantion re child abuse.
Good luck to everyone!
i dont have words to describe my feelings...its really sad that this world cannot do anything against this barbaric act..
there are so many people in other parts of the world who are earning a living out of fortune telling..
It is sad to observe human beings endorsing these policies of the government in question when it comes to kill an innocent man for a non valid reason!
I wish I haven’t got to know this "environment" as close as I did! The respect was much greater when I knew less!
No more comments here as this is a restricted environment!
The image that KSA projects to the world!...
lmao @ saudi laws
Ok let me ask you in a slightly different way, irrespective of the nature of his predictions, does this "crime" deserve capital punishment. Apparently those who think this doesn't deserve beheading have "hidden agendas" as per you.
Sorcerer is an English term... this is Saudi...
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So verisimilitude you believe he maybe a real sorcerer??
The official line was that he was being beheaded for sorcery before they overturned the decision.
How you doin man?
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I am so outdated on QL that I kinda missed this new flag as offensive feature... :-)
But I made full toll of it...
this whole discussion is lacking on information
it is not clear why exactly this man was sentenced to death
there is no reference to the nature of predictions he made
all we know really is that he used to make predictions on television, but people have really been in a hurry to conclude that this was the only reason why he was sentenced to death... but then people have their own agendas...
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All the users who termed Saudi as "de......." are offensive....
The posts should be recitified.
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Verisimlitude, you can flag as offensive and this will mod will be quick to respond.
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Could you please take away references to Saudi as the 'Devil's Kingdon' by the following users... nic, Soniya, Olive and Ukengqatar...
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Those stereotypes calling, KSA devil's kingdom, just because Vactian and POPE currently having child sex abuse, make them Devil's kingdom.
I am not Saudi but pity your brain level
ALLAH HU AKBAR - GOD IS GREAT
AHHHH, now THAT is a different story then. He knew it was dangerous, he got caught. Khalas
What comes around, goes around....
Looks like all you guys have not been properly informed. From what I read he claimed to be helping people in Medina by using amulets. An amulet with a man's name with his mother's and wife's name written on it was seized from him and he admitted he had been doing this in Saudi Arabia
Lebaneseman, you missed the point. The guy DIDN'T practice it in KSA. That's the point. He did it in Lebanon then went for Hajj and got arrested for something he did in Lebanon that had nothing to do with KSA. That's like Nomerci saying if you have a drink here then to go KSA they can arrest you for what you did here, which is exactly what happened.
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Beheading belongs to uneducated barbaric community
It’s really funny, when I heard something about Saudi Arabia, I’m just thinking twice, “damn!!!21st century??? Going crazy huh?” beheading? What’s that all about?
The reason for all these things lack of education.
Proud to be an AMERICAN
A friend of mine advised me not to comment here but I am sorry that I can't bear all this hatred.
Why would you call the muslim's holy land as Devil Kingdom? If you don't like the government of KSA (which is something that is understandable) then you have to say it without calling it a Devil Kingdom?
Sorcery, Horoscope, etc are not allowed in KSA (and that's right because Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said : "
كذب المنجمون ولو صدقوا ) so whoever practices them IN KSA will be prosecuted.
Next Time, try to REPECT other's beliefs before throwing your hatred venom.
P.S. : I purposely wrote the hadith in arabic because it was the language of our prophet . (waiting the attack of haters :) )
Comprehension problems is a racist remark now? I thought that was intended to mean your English comprehension is not good. What does your comprehension of the English language have to do with your race?
most QL users can make good members of parliament as most political topics soon attracts attention mostly of highly biased informants...
its not too wise.
May Sibat be forgiven by the Mightiest of all.. Amen
You are digging yourself a deeper hole. Read your posts again and you will see why your comments (not all of them) are bordering on racist... 'comprehension problems' again! And while you're at it, correct all of YOUR mistakes before you point mine out!
Everyone else... peace out and have a great weekend!
Bye bye! :-)
So now I'm the racist? I did not call KSA Devil Kingdom. I did not claim to be "superoir" educated one, neither do I have an "inferority" complex. Why would you assume I was born in England?
I don't see anyone here calling me a racist, other than you toxic. I maybe many things, but definitely not a racist. Did I miss my own racist comments? Maybe you should follow your own advice - If you can't take it, then don't dish it.
How awful to be known as the devils kingdom . shame
I used to read The Sun... always got stuck at page 3!
;-)
totally agree with u.
deepb really has it in for me... bordering on racist me thinks... should the rest of us point out all the mistakes in his posts or leave him in his own little world?
But i do have to thank him for proving a point i was trying to make earlier... namely, if u cant take it then dont dish it out.
While there was nobody defending Saudi, or at least trying to put things in perspective, everyone seemed happy to bash KSA. Well i took exception to that because we seemed to be reacting on one article and one incident! Calling KSA Devil Kingdom is way out of order based on one article so please get a grip. I made non racist, non ficition references to America and India and look what happened! Like i said in my original post, some of you are way to quick to judge.
In closing, 'oh well read and superoir educated one', thanks for all the lessons - or should i say 'tdang u wery mush teaching from me inglish'! and for giving me the benefit of your vastly superior intellect! Be careful everyone, deepb is way more clever, well read and intellectual than anyone else!
(Really though, you come across like an Indian born in England with an inferority complex - why are you trying so hard to prove that you are waaaaaay better than me?
FYI i 'saw' the dung eating and urine drinking on 'Horizon', i just cant find a reference to it on the BBC website - so wot... it happened... get over it! Nobody said that all people in India do this)!
Surely, if their legal system due proceses have been followed, then who are we to argue ?
Travesties of justice take place everywhere. Remember James Bulger in the UK and ofcourse DeLorean in the USA.
he just look for his death in a foreign land!
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na i would rather like them beheaded Nasrin and rana to make QBS a better station.
shuaib, yes, took me while. 'Tis fairly difficult to remember that some places live in the Middle Ages , when everybody else lives in the 21st century.
What comes around, goes around....
Dears I am an Indian, and I totally disagree with WK, he's wrong, still there are so many people who drink cows urine, but not all days, there is a special festival, in that day only. and that is also just two or three drops only. and eating cowdung. I never seen it.
regarding the killing of in the name of sorcery and pleasing the God, it is still happening eventhough it is against the Indian rules and regulation. (two weeks before, it is happened in Bihar, two little girls being beheaded infront of Godess Kali) it is in main news heading.
Oh, dear, somebody better warn the young lady that reads horoscopes on QBS to avoid Saudi!
Mandi
Atleast you caught on
Clearly you still have English comprehension problems. When they say - show them a person, how does it relate to show them a website or blog related to the matter?
Are you a native English speaker or just someone who is a naturalized UK national?
I really don't understand that toxic. Perhaps it has something to do with the programme airing in Saudi, but that's all I can think of.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
See India is not a perfect country and there are a lot of things wrong with it which I myself discuss here at times. If you had put any of the genuine problems in India in your post then I wouldn't even have reacted but what you said just doesn't happen, Nobody eats cow-dung or drinks cow urine. I know there are a lot of people outside India who think this happens but it doesn't.
totally!!! LOL!
But what i just cant seem to understand is why on Earth the Saudis are prosecuting/persecuting him for something he did in his own country... surely it is up to his own government to punish him if they see fit?
toxic, yes, that was in and before the Middle Ages. Ah, yessss, of course! Saudi still lives in that time!
Geez, sorry man, my bad!
What comes around, goes around....
no you didnt bring India in to it - i did. Just as i brought America in to it. The reason i did this was maybe that i misread a few posts, but it was getting pretty heated with some of the judgements on Saudi. So i tried to introduce a bit of perspective... and that seems to have backfired as some people seem to taking things 'personally'.
IMO there is no perfect country/place anywhere. Again, IMO, all countries seem to do the same things but in different names. But what i firmly believe is that politicians are the ones to blame... if there were no politicians i am certain the world would be a much nicer place to live.
We used to do the same in England... but we were civilised about it and had a foolproof system. What used to happen is that the soceress (or witch) was tied to a chair on the end of a long pole. She would then be dunked in to a river for 10 minutes. If she was truly a witch, then she would escape and fly away. If she was innocent, then she would be given a decent Christian burial and her name cleared.
Witches beware!
It just has Islam as its main religion.
Second if it was islamic it would seize to be a KINGDOM and become a Caliphate
Thirdly what it does in the name of Religious justice, it knows best, God will judge them for it - Be they right or wrong,
Just like God will judge the crusaders
lol, talking about shooting himself in the foot...
What comes around, goes around....
Might be a fairly obvious defense, but the man was arrested because he "told the future" yet he didn't know he was going to be arrested when he went to Saudi....sort of proves he's a fraud doesn't it?
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
I like your plan! ;-)
Olive was right about the US executing minorities. We don't do that, you must be thinking of the KKK or Neo Nazi groups and they are not government sanctioned. In fact, the government after trial would probably lethally inject those people for those racial murders.
As for how lethal injection works, you need to read up on what you are talking about before spouting off here where you can be publicly disproved.
* Anesthetic - Sodium thiopental, which has the trademark name Pentothal, puts the inmate into a deep sleep. This drug is a barbiturate that induces general anesthesia when administered intravenously. It can reach effective clinical concentrations in the brain within 30 seconds, according to an Amnesty International report. For surgical operations, patients are given a dose of 100 to 150 milligrams over a period of 10 to 15 seconds. For executions, as many as 5 grams (5,000 mg) of Pentothal may be administered. This in itself is a lethal dose. It's believed by some that after this anesthetic is delivered, the inmate doesn't feel anything.
* Saline solution flushes the intravenous line.
* Paralyzing agent - Pancuronium bromide, also known as Pavulon, is a muscle relaxant that is given in a dose that stops breathing by paralyzing the diaphragm and lungs. Conventionally, this drug takes effect in one to three minutes after being injected. In many states, this drug is given in doses of up to 100 milligrams, a much higher dose than is used in surgical operations -- usually 40 to 100 micrograms per one kilogram of body weight. Other chemicals that can be used as a paralyzing agent include tubocurarine chloride and succinylcholine chloride.
* Saline solution flushes the intravenous line.
* Toxic agent (not used by all states) - Potassium chloride is given at a lethal dose in order to interrupt the electrical signaling essential to heart functions. This induces cardiac arrest.
Within a minute or two after the last drug is administered, a physician or medical technician declares the inmate dead. The amount of time between when the prisoner leaves the holding cell and when he or she is declared dead may be just 30 minutes. Death usually occurs anywhere from five to 18 minutes after the execution order is given. After the execution, the body is placed in a body bag and taken to medical examiner, who may perform an autopsy. It is then either claimed by the inmate's family or interred by the state.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/lethal-injection4.htm
Hey, if the US still did public hangings, then I would say that was barbaric because that, like Saudi's executions, was a public family day. But the US realized that was not the way to go in 1936.
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Straight, are you Saudi? Don't tell me other people belive in magic too?????? And here I thought it was only Saudis and the people at Hogwarts.
What comes around, goes around....
There is no such thing as black magic Straight Arrow.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
and you do not like some one to do this for any one from your family innocently.
They took Harry Potter very seriously no merci and they don't want to risk an Arab Voldemort. :P
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
lol toxic.. Who brought India into this by the way, was surely not me.
The most wonderous thing of it all is that Saudi apparently believes in magic. Why else would they punish people "practicing" it?
And it is not the first time "sorcerers" are sentenced, has happend several times before.Somehow Saudi seems to be the only country were they like to live,as I have never heard of sorcerer convitions in any other country.;)
What comes around, goes around....
For English comprehension problems see...
show
• verb (past part. shown or showed) 1 be, allow, or make visible. 2 exhibit or produce for inspection or viewing. 3 represent or depict in art. 4 display or allow to be perceived (a quality, emotion, or characteristic). 5 demonstrate or prove. 6 treat (someone) with (a specified quality). 7 explain or demonstrate something to. 8 conduct or lead: show them in, please. 9 (also show up) informal arrive for an appointment or at a gathering. N. Amer. finish third or in the first three in a race.
source : http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/show?view=uk
But dont worry, i am sure this is just another forum written by my fellow idiots!
You Indian folk seem to be really insecure about something, and you are making this really boring.
UkEng I do read The Times everyday, is that considered a reliable source in UK or as good as a tabloid or is it a tabloid only :P
A bit off topic but well most things have been anyway.
Besides, I kind of wanted to show the ridiculousness of it all with my former post. :)
Did not work that well, apparently. :(
What comes around, goes around....
Olive sure thing. Never the less, Saudi is somewhat known to bend the rules for their own.
What comes around, goes around....
I love the Daily Mail UK, makes me laugh everyday,same as Fox News. Seriously toxic's description of the US was probably accurate back in 1963, but not 2010.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
If that's the case no merci, than I think they would have to arrest half the population of Saudi for drinking & whoring outside Saudi.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
nomerci you will definately get arrested and put into jail for your very explicit avatar..:)
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Nah Olive our News channels are not that good, but our tabloids are. I bet yer he has been reading the Daily Mail..:)
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Errmm, excuse me, can somebody answer my question please?
I need to know this, in case I need to go to KSA.
Thank you.
What comes around, goes around....
What are you watching in the UK? Fox News?
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
yes i can seperate out religion from culture and in particular Saudi peculiarities - thanks for the reminder.
I am pretty certain that Obama knows the stats, but over in the UK the media alwys seem to portray the US as a highly racist county that always assumes black people are guilty of everything they are ever accused of. I guess in beleiving that i am doing what everyone else has done on this thread and taken the press as the 'authority' on the subject.
I think nomerci hit the nail on the head! Such a simple and precise response!
toxic I believe I said "Show me one Indian"
Do you know the meaning of show?
I didn't say show me a blog on internet forum now did I???
It is not a Islamic bashing thread but a KSA bashing thread..:)
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toxic here is the plan.. We will hire an indian and give him 1 millionto drink cow urine, and the rest of the money we can share between ourselves..:)
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It's a "vailed" "Islamic" bashing thread. Nice sources on the cow faeces toxic. I believe arien and wk asked you to show them one person who does it, NOT show websites or blogs claiming they do it. Maybe English language comprehension problems?
And I believe we are not in Saudi, so no point of leaving Qatar for not liking Saudi.
dont change the terms... and for the last time "dont make this personal". I didnt insult you or anybody else, and so i dont expect insults from anyone.
Lets all try to keep the perspective. And if you feel you have to insult somebody, go talk to the mirror.
Well good luck in that. :P
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
Olive when one runs out of valid arguments, one tries to divert the topic to safer familiar territories. He is lot safer arguing back if he can turn this into a Islam bashing thread.
you foolishly posted to a public forum... so get your chequebooks out... and if you dont have a million or a billion dollars i will totally sue you for anything and everything that you do have!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Disturbing%20Truths/drinking_cow_urine.htm
http://www.wonder-cures.com/cow'surine.htm
Wow... so many of you have gone on the defensive... this is brilliant! Lets face the truth, this topic was started as a thinly vailed Islamic bashing thread... which i dont actually object to, but if you cant take it then dont dish it out!
whyteknight and arien... are your chequebooks out yet?
Finally, if you dont like it in this region... GO HOME!
lol toxic, don't give me internet forums written by your fellow idiots. let's go to India, stay as long as you want, show me one Indian doing it and I will give you a million dollars, If you can't find one in one year, you give me a million dollar, Fair deal?
How the hell is this in anyway Islam bashing? Can you not separate Saudi and their stupidity from Islam? No other Islamic countries are beheading sorcerers, so why is it an Islamic issue?
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
So this guy practiced "sorcery" in Lebanon and got arrested for it in KSA?
So, if I drink alcohol here and then go to KSA, they can arrest me for it there?
What comes around, goes around....
deepb,
lol... i avoid dialogue with toxic individuals.
lol toxic, you proved nothing but your ignorance. sacrafice? fieces? descent? Are you sure your British? Your spelling is quite horrific for a native English speaker.
I believe it was Nic who said it was the Devil's Kingdom. Last time I checked he was not an Indian Lady who drinks cow urine and eats cow faeces.
And people are executed for being black in the US? Probably should let Obama know that he is in danger.
You both missed the point. I am just trying to put this in to perspective. Denouncing a country as "Devils Kingdom" is a bit strong particularly coming from a young lady who comes from a country where they advocate the 'sacrafice' of children as an offering to the Gods for a blessing, and where they advocate the drinking of cow's urine and eating of cow's feces... that's disgusting by any stretch of the imagination. And yet, i will be descent enough to point out that NOT ALL INDIAN people do this... therefore i do not advocate the belief that all Indian people are urine drinking, feces eating child murderers who live in the 'Devils Kingdom'!
Although the Americans dont execute people for being 'alleged' sorcerers (this man was only 'alleged' it was never proven - this is a seperate issue for discussion) they do execute people for being black and for belonging to other ethnic minorities. Is that more civilised?
Lethal injection is just as 'cruel' or 'barbaric' as the ones injected suffocate, or choke on their saliva. It takes about 10 mins for someone to suffocate. When beheading someone, they die within 30 seconds. The report that they are sedated before execution in Saudi is not correct. What they actually do is drain 50% of the body's blood. That means that the one being executed is practically dead before execution.
Lets all get a grip, what is it that is annoying about the article - is that Saudi executes people (in which case it is comparable to America), or is it the method (in which case it is still comparable to America)?
Last time I checked toxic nobody in the US was ever executed for being black or a minority. If you're referring to murders committed by groups like the KKK or neo-Nazi's than those are not government sanctioned executions. The US does not execute it's prisoners in public as a "family fun day" activity and it most certainly would not execute someone on the ridiculous allegation of SORCERY! I'm sorry but you're comparing apples and oranges here.
Frankly I think most people would choose lethal injection after your last meal in a relatively peaceful setting, than having half your blood drained from you and then having your head chopped off (which can go wrong just as often as lethal injection) in front of a screaming mob.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
WK and Arien, ignore this individual, he is toxic.
Toxic- ignore WK, I offer you 1 billion.
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toxic you show me one Indian who drinks cow urine and eats cow faeces and I will give you a million dollar.
Ya Dot.com better to slice them up one by one
cluster and nuke dipped weapons, to kill / disable the entire generation.
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Straight Arrow you want to die in a peaceful way right?
Depends. What if they don't get through the neck on the first slice. Happens quite often.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
Electrical chair or Hang or head sorcing
That all seems abit harsh TBH!!
by peaceful, he meant halal execution!
I always find public executions to be incredibly peaceful :P
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
peaceful way?? really?
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
They do not have the right to arrest him and it is the responsibility of Lebanon to free him.
I think it is any easy matter to solve.
Head sorcing is peaceful way of murdering the murder and it is much more better than electrical chair.
I guess someone's day didn't go as per his predictions and they got pissed off.
He told horoscopes on a Lebanese satellite channel in Lebanon then went for Hajj in Saudi and got arrested for it.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
Straight Arrow he read out horoscopes on a Lebanese TV program.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
SA, he practiced sorcery(read horoscopes) in Lebanese television program......
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
What did Sibat do to receive this punishment?
So I can answer you if what he received is right or no.
Whyteknight, NOPE WE DON'T! You can read all the horoscopes you want!
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
i've just referred it to her as an example.
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Dot.com don't bring that in every thread. People will take you more seriously if you stick to the topics and only talk about the Afghan and Iraq Ear in relevant threads. Honest advice.
Mikaylas Mom do they use lethal injections on a person if he reads horoscopes in UK or some other country for that matter or even another state?
It is ridiculous.
this world is totally unfair, if they can destroy two nations for few hijackers, then wat a sorcery has a value?
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Ok, Texas does not execute more people than the rest of the world, but they are comparable with Saudi. Difference being also we use lethal injection which just puts them to sleep in private, we don't chop off their heads in public for all to see which when put like that does sound kind of barbaric doesn't it, compared to falling asleep in private. We also don't execute people for their religious beliefs or because of them.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
Yup I fully admit I'm obsessed with the proper punishment for sorcery. :P
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
Perhaps most of you need to see a psychiatrist. Your obsessions are becoming quite disturbing.
By: Olive
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WK No I am fine for now until they find me, I follow a spritual/mystical religion. :) wink
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UkEng Avada Kevadra
Just checking, are you dead yet?
gardene just googled and what you saying is correct, Wahabbism also known as salafi is the religion of the gulf estates and current day Saudi Arabia is promoting it. The Sunni's and Shia's IN KSA are being surprressed.
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Is that why there is no mention of a wizard school in the Middle east in Harry Potter
Sorcery isn't real!!!!!!! You might as well as ban flying unicorns!
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
that could be one half of the story.
Maybe he has committed sorcery in Saudi..
Well when innocents are spirited away in the name of war on terror, this doesnt make it much surprising. Sorcery is banned and if you practice it be ready to face the music.
But death punishment is cruel. Simply deny him do his shows. I think threatening is enough on such behaviour. No way deserves a death penalty.
Last time I checked toxic, Texas wasn't executing people for sorcery, Much less as a fun family day out.
And yes Saudi makes there laws clear, but the man didn't even commit crimes in Saudi, he was a talk show host on a LEBANESE talk show that they didn't like cause he did horoscopes.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
who made you all the judges and jurors? Saudi Arabia is open about the laws and punishments in its state. If you go there follow the rules... and if you really have to judge them then judge them by thier own laws and customs and not yours.
Now, i am interested to know what your judgements are about America... in particular the State of Texas which executes each year more people than the rest of the world put together?! "Devils Kingdom".... "ban it from civilised society"???
It would have been funny if a person wasn't losing his life. Psychopaths.
@ UkengQatar,correct me if i'm wrong & excuse my ignorance but don't the Saudis follow Wahabism? which is considered a very extreme interpretation of Islam only followed by a small extremist minority(who are mostly Saudis)? & NOT mainstream Islam?...
Why does everything that comes out of Saudi sound like an April Fool's joke.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
@ genesis,bravo to them,yet another step forward...NOT...i have to say,i doff my hat to HH Sh.Hamad for keeping the extremist fringe in the local society in Qatar well controlled,that really takes tact because those crazies can always turn around & say that His Highness is being "anti-Islamic" & "going against Sharia law" by "allowing" certain things,be it sale & consumption of alcohol or uncovered expat women etc & it's a fine balance that is being constantly attempted here,well done Your Highness...
Persecution is exactly what Islam forbids. It is like going back to the old times, when people want to execute the Prophet himself.. Do we need another Prophet to guide these people?
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Who read this article yesterday?
The Ministry of Health across Saudi has released a circular banning doctors from being alone with their female patients
http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article37210.ece
unfortunately , some Saudi religious scholar made ‘ Gender mixing’ & co-ed as their biggest cause.
Mr.M, kindly don't bring the holy religion in between this...nowhere we have mentioned about the holiness of the state..
Mr. M The land may be holy but the current day kingdom is Devils Kingdom?
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Even the the last few chapters of the Quran there is one Chapter referring to the protection against sorcers. So Sorcers have been in this region for centuries.. They should not behead this man, but rather recite the verses to protect them from these kind of sorcers?
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With all due respect to the comment that says that KSA is what he/she calls "devil's kingdom" that is an absolutely racist and offensive comment,the land of of the two holy masjids or haramain al shareefain the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia strictly follows the islamic sharia.Armed robbery,drug traffiking,rape,murder and apostasy which in this case sorcery,all carry the death penalty.
http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/behead.html#Saudi
Its really touchy to read..
Saudi Arabia - beheading in the 21st century.
Saudi Arabia uses public beheading as the punishment for murder, rape, drug trafficking, sodomy, armed robbery, apostasy and certain other offences. 2007 was the record year for executions with 153 men and three women executed. Forty five men and two women were beheaded in 2002, a further 52 men and 1 woman in 2003 and 35 men and a woman in 2004. Executions rose in 2005 with 88 men and 2 women being beheaded and then reduced to 35 men and four women in 2006. 102 people were executed in Saudi Arabia during 2008 but it is thought that two of these were by shooting in Asir Province. 67 people were beheaded in 2009, including two women.
The condemned of both sexes are typically given tranquillisers and then taken by police van to a public square or a car park after midday prayers. Their eyes are covered and they are blindfolded. The police clear the square of traffic and a sheet of plastic sheet about 16 feet square is laid out on the ground.
Dressed in either a white robe or their own clothes, barefoot, with shackled feet and hands cuffed behind their back, the prisoner is led by a police officer to the centre of the sheet where they are made to kneel facing Mecca. An Interior Ministry official reads out the prisoner's name and crime to the crowd.
Saudi Arabia uses a traditional Arab scimitar which is 1100-1200 mm long. The executioner is handed the sword by a policeman and raises the gleaming scimitar, often swinging it two or three times in the air to warm up his arm muscles, before approaching the prisoner from behind and jabbing him in the back with the tip of the blade, causing the person to raise their head. (see photo) Then with a single swing of the sword the prisoner is decapitated.
Normally it takes just one swing of the sword to sever the head, often sending it flying some two or three feet. Paramedics bring the head to a doctor, who uses a gloved hand to stop the fountain of blood spurting from the neck. The doctor sews the head back on, and the body is wrapped in the blue plastic sheet and taken away in an ambulance. Burial takes place in an unmarked grave in the prison cemetery.
Beheadings of women did not start until the early 1990’s, previously they were shot. Forty seven women have been publicly beheaded up to the end of 2009.
Most executions take place in the three major cities of Riyadh, Jeddah and Dahran. Saudi executioners take great pride in their work and the post tends to be handed down from one generation to the next.
For detailed information on the situation in Saudi Arabia have a look at http://hrfssaudiarabia.org/
Yep. Socercery has always been around this region for centuries...
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Frankly it's travesties like this one that keeps the magical community hidden from us muggles.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
Human life has become so cheap for them......In the world where criminals get away with murders and rapes, a man would lose his life for sorcery. May be all astrologers and psychics should face the same as per their rules.Sad indeed.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
Olive, this is not new for SAUDI..They have the history of beheading which is gruesome act..I don't support this atleast..
This must be an April Fool's joke.