A question for all the men on QL....
By svelte_saggi •
Web definition of feminist - A person who supports the equality of women with men
How comfortable are you,as a man,to have a 'feminist' (in it's purest sense) in your life...as a wife/mother/sister/daughter?
Would you discourage her?
Why or why not?
Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
I would like to share it with those who are interested to know and have more information
Here is the question:
Name: Lydia - Canada
Title: Women… Inferior by Nature?!
Date 05/Jan/2003 Question Is it true that your religion say that woman is an inferior creature because she has some kind of lack in her religion and intelligence? Is it true that Islam believes woman have mental defects and even defect in memory?!
A Muslim told me so and he said that your prophet and Qur’an clearly said that woman – by nature – lack mind and religion!! Thus, this is the reason behind a woman is equivalent to half a man when giving testimony!
Please elaborate on this. Thank you.
Below in the link is the answer:
Read more: http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996015878&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE#ixzz0hrxAU94H
SA is making me laugh big time :-D sowwy :-P but i really need to rein my thoughts....it's going haywire :-D LOL
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
That's like the 10th time you have asked me and that's like the 10th time I am saying NOOOO I am not.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
The softness and kinds part of a woman should be more than the tough and hardness part.
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
"Resident Attention Seeker"
not at all,WK,not at all! :-P
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
I know that, the girl who gets to marry me will be the luckiest one in this world :))
I am not too modest,Am I :P
"Live with passion, Die with style"
ah!see...WK is more like what the men of the 21st century should be....way to go,mate!keep this attitude up and i tell you...your girl is going to be one helluva lucky lass ;-)
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Soft or hard, I don't care. I like women with whom I can have intellectually stimulating debates, rest are just plain boring.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
I know Svelte. I admire and respect a woman who can hold her own and take care of herself. Soft people are not my cup of tea.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
olive....LOL :-D a woman being all soft and kind all the time would make her such a bore,non?a woman with a little spice and laughter is good,IMHO.
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
And carry pillows everywhere we go.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
softness??hmm....we should use Johnson's baby cream perhaps :-P
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
The softness and kindness is more linked to the woman than man.
Woman must always maintain her kindness and softness if she wants to belong to the true woman nature.
so yea i guess im fine with a feminist just not an extremist, but then again an extremist probably wouldn't want anything to with me lol
those who look down upon housewives are just the extremists,bamerix.they..umm....tend to kinda overdo things a bit....a woman should has as much freedom to do what she wants as a man has.that's the essence of true feminism :-) cheers!
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
whether something deserves respect or not is completely a relative thing,no?what she thinks deserves respect,you may not think so....but true magnanimity calls for not trying to impose one's likings on another....especially in a marriage.okay,possibly you could express your dislike once.whether he/she will respect and accept your opinion should be left to him/her.again,this is just a personal opinion.and also something i follow in my own life.i don't really digest the idea of my husband making me dress in a particular way just coz he fancies it.i would never be comfortable in something that i don't like.no siree!
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
LOL @ sag.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
LOL @ sag.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
women who think they are better than men aren't feminists, thats not equality. I think women should be treated the same as men and vice versa. It doesn't solve the problem by flipping it. And if a woman WANTS to be a housewife, stay at home mom, etc. these "feminists" shouldn't look down on them.
Olive, what is stereotypical in that? Its an adjustment with agreed mutual disrespect..
May God bliss you and your family.
Saggy, that's why I say where you expect respect just give a thought if it actually deserves...
How ironic, Studies show that married men live longer, But nobody wants to die more :P
"Live with passion, Die with style"
StraightArrow, I am happily married with kids and beutiful wife..don't worry..
LOL I'm sure you do sag. And I'm sure it's very stereotypical.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
studies and researches showed that marriage is safer for both man and woman where ever they are.
i don't know if the phrase "forced to respect" is a feasible one....respect is something that comes on it's own.nothing or no one can actually FORCE someone to "respect" someone else/something.maybe u're talking about "accept"
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Then don't you think I will be better off here alone if not in anyone else's company?
...because I actually have an opinion and I'm a strong willed woman I must automatically be obese LMAO! :-D
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
No Olive, not at all. In fact I have a perfect image of a western woman in you..
And I'm sure she'll be better off back home to, then with a husband like you.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
If I am forced to respect well I will book her flight tomorrow back home where she has all comforts to be happy...
FU: "What you look like is a part of who you are and a major part if you are a woman."
Unfortunately you're right. The world judges women harsher for their looks, which is why so many of us succumb to eating disorders & other esteem issues. But just because that's what our shallow society wants doesn't mean I have to fall victim to it. I'm happy with the way I look, my hubby loves the way I look. Who cares what anyone else thinks.
Sag, are you implying that because I actually have an opinion and I'm a strong willed woman I must automatically be obese?
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
so you will not respect a woman's choice of what she wants to wear? :-o
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Olive, I respect her for being obeise, shapeless,etc but not for her choice to put on jeans and what?
Agree with you. As I believe women should be free to do as they wish. Everyone has ideas of how things ''SHOULD'' be but I think it is best left to be worked out by themselves and thier close family and associates
"If my man didn't like me looking "masculine" sag I wouldn't be with him. I would be with a man who loves me for who I am, not what I look like. "
What you look like is a part of who you are and a major part if you are a woman.
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
"Resident Attention Seeker"
agree 100% olive....to each his/her own....i'm glad i live by my signature line ;-)
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Hey not Olive. She is speaking from conviction and I dare say I enjoying her fiery opinions. She is here because she is educated, working and independant. She is an acheiver I guess and she is better off than 90% of the women in this world. When there is any opinion expressed however good or misguided or unrealistic or based on experience it has to be taken into consideration
I'm no more trying to enforce my views on Svelte or any other woman then svelte is on me Mehnis. All I said is we should respect every woman for what they want to be even if it isn't something you would want for yourself.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
It was just a clarification. it all started with ..
tsk!tsk!now if u're in a mood to fight it out,i'm in no mood really to argue back.each one is entitled to his/her opinions....you are to yours and i am to mine.period :-) cheers!
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Mehnis, is your hint at Olive?
Enforcing opinions does not allow acceptance of different existing conditions. About 3 billion women in the world and every single one has a different grouse or cause to celebrate
So, ???, are we not talking about the woman who doesn't get her due acknowledgement(refered 'you') here? 'we' and 'you' are both relative...
who's talking about meeting women and dating tips here now,pinoy2005?we're talking about how supportive and comfortable men are with feminism in their family.....
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
One of the keys to meeting women in a fun and relaxed way is by being comfortable around them. This means that you are so accustomed to speaking with women, touching women, making them laugh, giving them a good time, and so on that you don’t worry about being able to do these things. Note I used the word “accustomed”. You may still get nervous. You may still get excited. Those things are fine, and indeed are good. They will add tension and spice to the reaction. If you can feel comfortable with a woman and build sexual tension, she will reflect that.
Mehnis, what is off tangent here? we are well stuck to the topic and sharing our thoughts..don't you think so?
Olive, women from different culture have different views about that hence i cann't comment more on that..
Hey relax !! Just popped in and I find all of you are going off tangent. Everyone is entitled to opinions which may not be relevant to existing circumstances. So let us share our thoughts and explore how they fit in our perceptions
let's say i was talking about the majority when i used the word 'we'....the rest of us are contented souls,to say the least :-) 'we're' all sisters in arms afterall :-)
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Nothing personal here. i don't take any joy in being personal. It just reflected from your writing. its alright. I keep away now.
I was just trying to say that 'All(we as you said) don't get acknowledgement is rather a generalised statement..which is not true...
If my man didn't like me looking "masculine" sag I wouldn't be with him. I would be with a man who loves me for who I am, not what I look like.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
let's not get personal here,shall we? :-) i'll ignore the first sentence of your comment and reply to the rest,though.from what i know,no woman/man would exactly like getting slapped....it's just that many south-indian women are raised to be meek individuals and they take slaps/hits/abuses from the men of their family in their stride.some speak out and that's how we hear of domestic violence.
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Olive, what if your man doesn't like a musculine olive? that's what saggy meant that she respects his preference than leaving him to choose other woman..
you're right,olive.....personal choice differs from person to person :-) if a woman feels satisfied being a cop,it's great!i consider every achievement that a woman makes in realm that has been traditionally reserved for the men as a great thing.yes,i do.
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
saggy, maybe you are not getting the acknowledgement that you are due from your men. then there are good men and bad men just like there are good women and bad women.
It depends on which situation you are in. You know I saw in many south indian movies like their woman actually takes pride in being slapped by her man! Hence in history women took respect in what they were given but now the things are changed and the same is no more a bliss for woman...
It's not about what you prefer Saggi, it's about how they want to be.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
oh and it's a totally different thing if she is genuinely interested in being a fire fighter or a cop....personal choice,of course.but i personally like women who look feminine (that's yet another relative term,of course ;-) )
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
I say screw men and their egos. I could give a flying F*** for the fragile male mindset. If they're so insecure that they can't handle a woman being a cop, fire fighter or in the army than they can go cry to their mommies. I know lots of women in these fields and they're running circles around the men. They have every right to be there.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
oh yes they ought to,olive....it's just that the very thought unsettles the male mindset.plus,personally i think that if a woman ventures out into a field where men are better suited (in terms of physical strength,of course) just to show that whatever he can do,she can do better,then it's not really called for.it will only lead to the men feeling like she's trying to be the boss.the middle E in the word 'men' stands for ego and it's part of them.try and hurt that,they'll hate you for it.
so the best way is to shine in what we are best at and get respect from them for just that.
just my personal opinion :-)
cheers!
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
maybe they just forgot or overlooked the fact that household chores and bringing up children are also a job....but an unpaid job.we don't demand payment.we'll consider it as our duty.what we ask for is some acknowledgement for it.and not to have a feeling that "what's so great in it?she is supposed to do it" :-)
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
What's wrong with a woman looking muscular? Or wanting to be a cop or a fire fighter? Shouldn't women be given the opportunity to be what they want to be?
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
saggi, so, you think its men who defined her role and in that role they didn't include the things that give her respect? Should men take blame? didn't they themselves allow it.
What I said doesn't mean that I don't respect her in other things that she chooses to do but what are those things is more important for me..
for a start,that's fine.....it's just that women have been taken for granted since time immemorial and whatever work they are doing is not even given any kind of acknowledgement.feminism arose just coz of the men.if they had given women the respect due to them,such a word would not have been created in the first place.
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Then she will find great respect from me in what she cooks, serves and takes care of my home.
read what verisi has written,sag....it will be more than clear :-)
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
I am not clear about what equality a woman wants with man. I would be able to give you what I think of each issue if you can list a few for example...
or are you asking about blind support?
mehnis....y'all were talking stuff that's totally beyond me...thaz why i kept silent.thought the politics will stop after a while.....but there y'all were going on talking about NDA and blah and blah and reservations and 33%.....the only 33% i was ever bothered about was the pass %age in school exams...LOL :-P
verisi....well-said,as usual buddy!that's the spirit of true equality....it does not lie in doing exactly the same things as men do but in being equal respect for whatever we do.of course it is a fact that it is simply impossible for a woman to do just about everything that a man does....we are built different and if we try to act all macho for the sake of it,we'll either fail miserably or end up looking all muscular and stuff like men....ugh!
vic...but i was asking the men on QL about their personal choices,vic bhai.women's liberation and stuff is a parallel path.it will take it's own course.the question is how supportive a man will be for such an advocate of equality in his own immediate family.
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Women liberation and upliftment movement needs political motivation.
well said verisim.....it is people mindset and need to change.
No task is big or small; shall not get attached to any specific gender in todays society......sounds good theoritically.
to say we are the same is another
I feel feminists equate equality with being able to do the same things that men do...
But men and women are inherently different
So its natural that our roles in society would be different as well...
Unfortunately, society has evolved in a manner unfavorable wherein feminine roles are perceived in a poor light
the challenge is not to blur the differences
but to give every role the true recognition that it deserves...
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politics is here because the originator of this thread took a long snooze
ahem!why is politics being discussed on this thread now?
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
glad to know that India is progressing on the Right directions.
Such as Transparency of wealth held by a politician filing nomination.
Corruptions at all levels, Tax evasion, Poor Corporate Governance and Bureaucracy are the biggest issues and hurdles in India's progress :(
Well I have done a lot of research on RTI and it differs from state to state on structure of fees and appellate authorities. It is very useful and can be very effective if used properly.
this theory.....we know that Indian electoral system in India is flawed at some places to certain extent but not totally.
New generation and youth are already aware of what is right and who is right?
Law of Right to Information and transparency makes Indians very well aware whom they are electing.....no doubt this need lot of reformations.....we are developing everyday positively.
Again, it is true that initially all present politioians closest kins will take benefits but 33% carries a huge number of women.....
Definitely some well qualified diplomat will also get a chance to enter politics with this reservations.
Ruling UPA Govt is working in the RIGHT directions in empowering and encouraging women and youth to join politics.
This is just the first step in empowering the women force in India to provide them a bigger platform ......
Still a long way to go for making this bill to a LAW......
check UPA and allainces have to go through the hell to get this clear from RS.....next is LS and then State Assembly. Hope for the BEST!
11% women in Indian parliament and 27% in Pakistan!
http://righttoinformation.gov.in/
I used the RTI to get information of the projects sanctioned in my area and money that was spent. I asked for the tenders called for, sanctions for plans, execution of the project, the contractors and the payment. They did not give this to me at first. I pursued it for six months and they did give me enough evidence to nail them.
There was a lot of lacunae and corruption. I threatened court proceedings and soon all the municipality officials were visiting me for getting out of this. I had them practically with their pants down.I got what I wanted and let them go because I could not go alone further
Right to Information Act is interesting as I used it last year to fix a local politician of my area who was behaving like the king there. Now he salutes me everytime he sees me!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Victoria You mentioned NDA twice. NDA is BJP led front which is in opposition and it is UPA United Progessive Alliance led by Congress now
Well what we have now in the govt. is probably the best team there ever was and quite sincere too. I surely appreciate what Sibal is doing but not too sure how successful he is going to be. As you are aware most of the private institutions and Deemed Universities are run as family fiefdoms of powerful politicians. It is the best place to put in ill gotten wealth and the returns are enormous.
If you remember IT the government has no clue about it. When the private cos like Infosys and Wipro started getting huge export revenue the govt woke up. Till a decade ago there was no curriculum for IT in schools. The private sector with Aptech and Niit educated a huge number of IT people.
And outsourcing was certainly nothing to do with govt. It gives so much revenue and creates thousands of jobs
The whole electoral system in India is totally flawed. The voters have no choice whatsoever. The educated class normally stay away because they recognise the farce but they are few compared to the large enormous majority of poor in the villages and slums of cities. Most of them are deliberately kept poor and uneducated so that they are kept submissive. They are normally carried away by the politicians giving some sops like free rice and clothing.
Our democrary is a total farce where the ideals of 'OFF the people, FAR from the people and BUY the people'' applies. So any change, whatever, however insignificant is welcome in the hope that it would dislodge some of ruling elite there.
It is not a question of men wanting to do anything. Nothing is being done deliberately for keeping the masses submissive. All the advancements in IT and Science and business is being made because of the brilliance of our people. Not because of the government DESPITE the government
Absolutely true. The kin ( Women) of the ruling elite will get the tickets now. It may not change anything much. And certainly this will not make any differences to the abuses that are going on.
But at least a step in the direction of empowerment is there. Look at the Panchayati Raj system which was brought about a long time ago. Many women are panchayat presidents and office bearers. They are bring about change slowly but surely at the micro level of villages. Maybe this will take a long time to be really effective but hope for the best
...victims of such abuse. If at all, its only going to create additional ruling opportunities for the greedy and the hypocrites.
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
"Resident Attention Seeker"
Well honestly the reality is that many many women get abused physically, sexually and otherwise everyday in countries like ours and most times we are just the silent
people who just cannot do much about it. So if this law is going to change anything for women then great.
let women get upliftment and social status in the community....then full representation at Assembly and Parliament
In politics where this 33% reservation is being introduced women have stood in elections and done well against make counterparts. The problem is that no political party gives them any tickets except for some with political clout. Anyway this would be interesting to see what happens. Maybe some of the old farts being elected from decades from the same seats will find it 'reserved for women'.
Reservation is generally a very bad idea at any level because equality, ability, talent and brilliance is subjected negatively and results in regression. But it is a good idea to force a change and should be kept in a time frame with an expiry date.
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
"Resident Attention Seeker"
i wonder if we will get the same reservation everywhere?in professional colleges also :-D maybe i'm pushing our luck too far ;-) :-P
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
lol WK. but you dont look like a good egg eater :(
Indian Parliment voted to change the constitution and passed the Historic "Womens Bill" which gives 33% reservation for women in the Parliment/Assembly seats. Now be happy babes :D
oh wow,WK....you are a genius :-D LOL
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
I am a great cook. I make excellent Boiled eggs :P
"Live with passion, Die with style"
My hubby has a tendency to put chilli flakes into everything when I'm not looking. Fine for him but torture for me, that's why he's not allowed.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
nope....that's not the reason.unless we are sure that they know how to differentiate between something trivial like ginger powder and white pepper,we don't allow them to come in and create a disaster.....insecurity?hahaha!no way!i'd be glad any day if Mr.SS proves himself to be a good cook and takes over the kitchen duties :-P (yeah right!keep dreaming,svelte....sigh!)
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
for sure, we are missing u on this thread :P
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A lot of lovemaking can unblock a stuffy nose! Dr. Choc
Right drmana :)
Lets get basic correct first
i wonder why women dont allow men to help them in the kichen??
is it some kind of insecurity..that, if their husbands learn how to cook, they wont listen to their wives?
Hmmm thought so :P
"Live with passion, Die with style"
Victory, doing that is just what equality is:-). Nothing more is required once every female is given that right.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
No WK not at all :P
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
I personally feel let first give a girl/female right to live (birth), education, select prospective groom and breath freely....then we will talk about equality :(
Olive are you a feminist :P
"Live with passion, Die with style"
When you specify it to that case yes it is FU, but still making it public does help these mindsets. Look at the growing acceptance of homosexuality in the West, a lot of that has to do with public awareness campaigns directed at families.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
What if a wife discourage husband to do any house chores and just ask him for petty tough work only :)
Good to meet Mehnis at QL and well grilling by Olive & SS....
At least now I know what is feminist, however difficult to swallow conceptually.
as it deals with the direction in which the people of a country want to take their nation. Feminism for me is more to do with the Family as a unit. Except for a few countries ( due to religious reasons ) education and employment are not denyed to women by law. Segragation,at most, is the only visible form of discrimination. Now my point is, what percentage of women in 'free' countries are educated and employed? Is this not an indicator of the fact that lack of empowerment is not due to social/national obstacles but because of family related mindsets.
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
"Resident Attention Seeker"
My boyfriend in College was a cook. He never let me in the kitchen. Before I started dating him I hated cooking, but he taught me to enjoy it a little.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Well is just depends on people. My cooking is something quite passable but my wife too shooes me away because she is a woman at heart and in that space of that kitchen she does not want me to get in there too. She works but makes sure she does most of the cooking. Well I do help in chopping onions, veggis and some of our famous masalas but she refused to let me cook. Says it all does'nt it??
In my family Svelte the roles switched pretty often, at times my mom would be home and my Dad the main breadwinner, at times my Mom would be the breadwinner and my Dad at home. Most of the time they both worked. But one of them was always there when we needed them, so that's the important thing.
Do agree with your Mom about the cooking though. I don't let my hubby into the kitchen, he can barely boil water!
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
the balance thingy does work well,u know....my mom did that perfectly more than 25 years ago.....she had a full-time job,had me and sis,my dad,managed the home and did all the cooking too.dad just helped around with odd jobs.i remember she used to shoo him away from the kitchen when he offered to help....used to say he'll create a culinary disaster with his very presence :-D he he!
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Hey Olive I never said that women need to stay at home. My wife is a designer and she is damn good. I support her and encourage her and do what I can. The important thing is the balance you maintain. Because female liberation and rights does not mean home and values are just forgotten.
Today if women can balance it all then they are more than welcome to do what they want
Not sure where you're getting that from rishimba?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
In my opinion I think issues with the family in the West have more to do with the high cost of living. I don't think there's too many people Man or woman, who if asked if they would rather work or be with their family would say work. But it's a sad fact that it costs something like $700,000 to raise one child and most people cant' do that on a single income. Neither parent has the time or the money to be a good parent. I don't think the feminist movement can be blamed for that, after all, we aren't the one's starting silly wars all over the world that cost trillions and send the world spiraling into one recession after another.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Well it is the truth. And I love my wife for letting me do all I want to do with my daughter. She laughs at me and says Thank goodness you dont have the feeding anatomy of a woman or else you would have done it too, and I would have been useless
olive, if your hubby is so helpful then whats your problem.. your previous post gave some subtle indications that you are also one of those housewives who dont get support from their hubbys..
wow,mehnis....that's pretty impressive indeed :-) wish other men learnt from your example :-)
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Great Mehnis...so why do you think women should stay in the home then?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Well there are men who do all that and much more. If you ask about myself I do everything possible including cooking cleaning washing dishes . As for children I should tell you that with my daughter I have done whatever I could. I bathe her, iron her clothes, do her hair, clips and all, cut her nails, feed her on my lap, everything till the night when she sleeps in my arms with me singing something or the other----Everyday
Well there are men who do all that and much more. If you ask about myself I do everything possible including cooking cleaning washing dishes . As for children I should tell you that with my daughter I have done whatever I could. I bathe her, iron her clothes, do her hair, clips and all, cut her nails, feed her on my lap, everything till the night when I she sleeps in my arms with me singing something or the other
My hubby and I share the load equally rishimba. He's going to be an excellent father.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
My hubby and I share the load equally rishimba. He's going to be an excellent father.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Well hats off to those who can successfully do this without much ado. I know a few of them myself and they have all my admiration.
Well life is of choices and you have to live with them
it's really sweet when men venture to help out with household chores on their own without being asked to....especially in families where both husband and wife are working.
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See that's the very sterotype I hate Mehnis, who says men are no good at those things? I personally think they've just never tried. Men need to start living up to the role of father in both name and action. There are plenty of men out there that are perfectly capable of being as nurturing as women. And for most people in today's world the option of one spouse not working is just not a possibility.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
olive, nowadays men share the household work almost equally with their wives..atleast try to.
i have seen it in my family and all around as well. infact, apart from nursing the child, nowadays, men try to do whatever they can to share the load..like cooking, laundry, washing, shopping, teaching the children etc.
incase, your hubby is not sharing your load at home..you should try to convince him.
guess that's why the superwomen of today evolved,mehnis....women who juggle a job, a home and a family with equal elan :-)
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Sure Men should share in the household responsibility too but what you did not understand was that a woman is a natural care giver and the best inculculator of values in children. Most men fall short in upbringing of a child and to take care of anyone older. If you think womens rights is all about dumping your new born baby in the creche everyday and parents in an old age home just so that they can work and be independent , then so be it
I think men are selling themselves short if that's what you believe Mehnis. Right now everyone thinks women should be in that role because that's were we've always traditionally been, and I agree that more emphasis needs to be put on the family, but it doesn't always need to be the woman who stays home. There are many women who are no good at the home stuff and many men who are, and unfortunately we've been brain washed by our cultures into thinking reversing the roles is a bad thing.
And also, why should women get all the flack for the fall of the family? The way I see it, women are out there in their new rolls trying to be superwoman and the role of the man hasn't changed at all. Perhaps men should start helping out more and taking more responsibility with the family.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Olive,for us females this is fight for equality but for men, this is threat to their so called superiority. They don't realize that the females would end fighting only if it is agreed that we are equal. Once they agree to it,everything else would fall in place by itself.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
Hey Olive go for it. I am all for the idea. Just the concern that women may bite more than they can swallow. Because future generations will not be same as is seen in countries where equal rights are prevalent. Spare a thought for the elderly at everyone's home, the children and social structure. Because I believe that only a woman can bring about quality and uphold values
Nobodies arguing about who's superior, what seems to be the argument drmana is whether or not women should fight for equality at all.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Flirting is a very enjoyable social behavior when it is subtle and civilised. A lot of people are happy doing it and mind you the person recieving this attention is also happy about it. It is only about who and when
If the issue is of "who's superior" rather than " we are equal", this debate will never end.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
I can flirt with the best of them Azam. :) I think men are fooling themselves if they don't think women like to flirt.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
not so soon Saggi !!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose the neighbours listen ---loud and clear after quite some years
sorry to interject a serious topic with a joke....but it definitely had to be here...
1st year after marriage=man talks,woman listens
2nd year after marriage=woman talks,man listens
3rd year after marriage=they both talk,the neighborhood listens :-D LOL
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for equal rights at home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does anyone have a clue how most houses are ruled by women? Men are just meek and paper tigers at home. They say things that seem to be acceptabe to their wives. Well whatever they do outside the house may be very masculine but I have seen innumerable households where the woman rules.
I guess men are going to fight somewhere down the line
Actually I could'nt care less. There are so many times I have had women depend on me for so many things but I always encourage them to do it by themselves. Right from the women of the family to friends to emotionally dependent women friends all I do is to encourage independence of thought and action based on thoughts and reason but certainly not on the need to do so
I rather they do the things their way and be happy about it.
With out a mother how can i be , with out asister i will not be the same and with out a lover i will not live the same
woman is mostly every thing in our life
why as men accept things to do and saying ok we are men
but when a woman do the same all the fingers will be pointed at here
so in my eyes women men are the same and no life will be for each other without the other
The last one was for Olive
time and again i see the issue of "who is superior?" coming up here.that's really pointless....coz it will only lead to either the woman being called a doormat or the man being called hen-pecked....and then arguments over arguments.all i said was that there is no need for that,no?why not be physically different but socially equal?
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Well I rather not talk about my views on prevalent human perceptions and practices here. My sympathies are with you
any more men wanting to answer the question?
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Web definition of feminist - A person who supports the equality of women with men
However, the real life definition is different than the web definition that is why I strongly discourage feminism.
Will come back and resume. Tut tut.
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So we should all just sit back and accept that we're second class citizens Mehnis?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Sure protest, demands, rallies are fine. They have achieved some basic rights but then you have to be in a democracy to achieve more. Where you are now well I dont see anything happening for the next millenia
Hsubands will educate their wives.....wow you are just completely lost on the whole concept of feminism aren't you? FU those things do and have worked, how do you think women got the vote in most countries? Because their husbands one day said "You know, perhaps my dear I will let you vote this year." No. It happened because of protests and conferences and organizations dedicated to the task.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
and road marches do not get anybody anything. Family as a unit is the key. Husbands will educate their wives not because it's a prime time news but only because a need is felt.
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How is it not? Nationals and societies are made up of women, and if laws don't change on a social/national level then we can't get the education and things we need to succeed.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Absolutely FU
And thats where I have my reservations. The philosophy has been turned in to a movement by a few opportunists who have made a career out of it.
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The trouble is they want change too fast and too soon. Look at the west. Lots changed after the 60's bra burnings. See how the ethos has changed. Too much unhappiness everywhere. Too much divorce rate birth rate falling drastically, women were pushing too hard and now life is pushing back.
Women's rights if fine and good but better if they are prepared and ready for what they want
But it is a social/national issue...
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
in their own spehere of influence rather than making it a social/national issue.
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Everyone comes here for different experiences and to learn. No one can direct anyone's life but best left to chart their own course. Equip them and stand up for them and be a safety net should they stumble. That I guess is my purview
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Yes they are FU and you want them to stop fighting for their rights?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
As long as I am concerned I will give them all that they need in education , knowledge, understanding and inculculate human values. What they choose to do with thier lives is left to them. I am just a support system
be true feminism.:)
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ah now that's a good comment :-)
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As I said earlier I dont really bother if my wife or daughter are called feminist as long as long as they are strong enough and not submit to any repression and live life as they deem fit
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oh no!this thread has gone totally off-tangent....ppl!get back to the topic!the question was about how comfortable YOU are with having a feminist in your life as a wife/mother/sister/daughter....
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As FU said Mehnis, war was what caused us to need men to protect us from other men. This caused men to start viewing us as chattle, the same as their cows, and eventually this lead to formal rules on behaviour being written into law codes and religion. Something which has taken us 200 years to break away from.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Well that may have been the case but tell my why should anyone be ''encouraged''?? It was a free world then. There were no chains of society or religion to bind anyone to any given task or role as it is now. So what changed?? If women were hunters and bread earners then what led them into the kitchen??
your post: "FU if we didn't fight for more rights on a social/national level we never would have been allowed to be educated or work in the first place. " to bring across the idea of empowerment of women and whether the demand for it creates any push. I meant to highlight the fact that empowerment comes along with the practices of a society and not because someone is asking for it.
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Mehnis, I'm afraid in that you're wrong. There were female hunters, there have always been women who've pushed the envelope and done "traditionally" male jobs. If more women had been encouraged rather then subjucated under threat of death, perhaps we would have gotten out of the kitchen a long time before.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Technically FU, and I posted a topic about this before, while there were hunters & gatherers in Primitive tribes, those were not wholly defined by sex. It was quite common to have male gatherers and female hunters. And I'm not talking about primitive times anyway, I'm talking about the last 200 years in which education of women was considered secondary and was only done to teach them to be wives.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Hey Olive you are not in Adams days. As I said relgion has not evolved along with humans. And remember even only in last 5-6 decades women have chosen to come out of the house and the fireplace. They were comfortable there for a millenia. And you were not prepared for the world as you are now with education knowledge experience thoughts
So earn your place in the sun . I agree that there is a lot of discrimination and repression but it was allowed and conceded by women for thousands of year. And women were not ready to do anything that was done by man right from the days they had to hunt for dinner
Hey Olive you are not in Adams days. As I said relgion has not evolved along with humans. And remember even only in last 5-6 decades women have chosen to come out of the house and the fireplace. They were comfortable there for a millenia. And you were not prepared for the world as you are now with education knowledge experience thoughts
So earn your place in the sun . I agree that there is a lot of discrimination and repression but it was allowed and conceded by women for thousands of year. And women were not ready to do anything that was done by man right from the days they had to hunt for dinner
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during prehistoric times when the division of labour was clearly demarcated. they were free to learn and earn. Things changed only because of changes related to external interferences in previously closed societies. The issue of 'protection of women' from foreign invaders led to them being confined to the four walls. Education, as it existed, during those times was never gender based.
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"IMO women crying for more rights at a social/national level is a rediculous concept as it only proves the weaker position. Instead,I would appreciate self empowerment through education and proffessional acumen."
FU if we didn't fight for more rights on a social/national level we never would have been allowed to be educated or work in the first place.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
self empowerment through education and proffessional acumen
Exactly FU. Change will come only through this. I dont care if my wife or my daughter are called feminist. As long as they can take care of themselves and make a life worth living by fortitute , courage, knowledge or education. I will do everything I can to make them independent and strong with human values inculculated.
Mehnis in every religion there are passages that clearly state women's subjugated state to men. The whole story of Adam and Eve is about subjugation for crying out loud! Every religion clearly puts women lower on the totem pole saying they must obey their husbands.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
On a serious note, I think it's the social concept of division of labour that is primarily responsible for the suppression/oppression of women and not religion. As someone pointed out above, religions if at all have only tried to assuage the situation by putting in some guidelines for the treatment of women. The interpretation has been suitably modified by the stronger/dominant gender.
"This is a man's world. Rest all will be taken care of" seems to be the mantra even today. IMO women crying for more rights at a social/national level is a rediculous concept as it only proves the weaker position. Instead,I would appreciate self empowerment through education and proffessional acumen.
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You can definitely state that women are being repressed by the men that are propogating any religion because of the control factor. But one has to understand that no religion is repressive. There are certain incidents in history of any religion that were for certain valid reasons at that time.
Religion has not been allowed to evolve along with the evolotion of mankind just because of misinterpretations to suit the male gender. I wholly agree with you Olive but teachings of any religion are not repressive at all. It is just how religion is being used to control others and women have always submitted to this control.
Similarly masses are being controlled through selective misinterpreted teachings to enforce political and geographical change. It is happening in every sphere of life today.
may be ur mental level.
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WK the issue comes in when some people won't admit that their religion is masochistic. I agree ALL religions are masochistic.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
It's really sad FU. Why is it necessary to prove it if something is really good? Good things will be recognized and appreciated sooner or later. Let people decide what they want rather than fighting and bashing everyone else of other belief just to prove the supremacy of their belief.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
Those laws were uplifting 1000 years ago Mehnis, now they are repressive and are being used to keep women down.
Victory, that's what I mean, we have no idea what individuals physical or mental strengths are, it's up to them to decide their limits, especially mentally.
Would you tell a female Olympian that she shouldn't compete because according to religion she's better suited to being a wife?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
FU,or rather that is QL,eh? ;-)
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There can't be religious bashing in this as all religions were inclined in the favour of men in the past so everyone will get bashed :P
"Live with passion, Die with style"
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Men and Women are just created physically different. It was not to make one strong and other weak but to continue the cycle of life by procreation. It was done by the creator of life, whatever his religion his. Its the attitude of superiority of few men that needs to be changed and those men are from every religion.
Why is it that every thread turns towards proving superiority of certain religion rather than unbiased comments on the topic?
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
Sky is the limit....for One to seek and have skills and polish talents.
I could not restrict anybody's skills and abilities; it is on her to own what she could procure at the best :)
One have to accept the basic biological difference in the structure and mental strength nature have provided to respective gender......
Religion have only defined roles ONE could perform at their BEST!
Shariah laws were defined to protect women. To uplift them. The first time in history of mankind that women were given rights. On everything from property to a living right. It was in the context of the time when women were just like a personal possession like cattle to be used and thrown away.
The west did not even consider any rights to women even a 1000 years later. And yes I am aware of St.Paul and what is prescribed there. We can talk about religion to our heart content but I do not think this is the right forum.
I have studied Islam Hinduism Buddhism and Christianity though I do not profess to be an authority on this subject. Just well informed
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u need to re read that thread again.
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heavens!this thread is turning into another bashing one.....please,ppl!stop it!please don't bring religion into this....feminism is just an attittude.that's it.and please don't deviate from the topic!
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Dot.Com you wouldn't know feminism if it kicked you in the balls, so I won't bother to try to explain it to someone who thinks a law suit against a fast food company is equivalent to what the Taliban do. I prefer to speak to people with a brain.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
pleaaaaaaaase!!!!no religion here!for God's sake!
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Most of the religions were masochistic and suppressed females for a long time. They were equal in the times of their prophets, but over a period of time became more and more masochistic in nature. Their legacy still carries on.
I don't know the religious stand today but that's how it was in centuries gone by.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
if wearing bikini's, enjoying in public topless on the beaches, taking nude sun bathes is feminism, than i'll beg to disagree with you and your religion.
PS: Refer to Straight Arrow post, i like and respect woman in all these shapes.
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Because religion was one of the major things that lead to that discrimination Svelte.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
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Ummmmmm... All of it. Have you ever read St. Paul? What about Shariah law and how it's dictated towards females?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
feminism did not arise due to religious reasons from what i found on wiki....it was due to discrimination in the right to vote.dunno how religion came into the picture :-/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-wave_feminism
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equality is civilization
Hey Olive just define one single religion or religious teachings, edicts or laws which is masochistic?? everything that is followed is just misinterpretation for the convenience of a certain sect or group.
Please tell me of one single religous teachings which is masochistic as you say
Like it or not Dot.com but your masochistic religions are one of the main things that have kept women subjugated for so long and still keep women subjugated. You can't discuss feminism without bringing it up.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
i still don't advocate gender supremacy....it is promoted by some feminism extremists.as long as it is restricted to equality,it sounds good.men and women are not worlds apart or anything of the sort...just two sides of a coin :-) one cannot exist without the other.
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
As long as any female do not start opposing every thing that a man does, I do not think that men should have problem with treating female equally. If females respect their hubby for what they are, men should be willing to do so as well.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
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I don't believe in taking right decisions;
I take decisions and make them right.
in a single thread, will plz miss a chance to drag religion???
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Wash ur face & get back to work...
They can never be equal.. There will always be inequality.. right from the day when woman was created!
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"I do support her in all walk of life, considering her best skills and abilities :)"
Skills and abilities defined by whom? Your religious book? Your culture?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
in my life....is my Wife...I don't know what feminism all about :(
In my opinion, women have equal rights as far as she do respect her male counterpart and behave within the social boundaries.
I do support her in all walk of life, considering her best skills and abilities :)
woman and man are like day and night.
Yalla!
it was meant for the men to post their opinions,but u are welcome to post ur views too,drmana :-)
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Everything in creation is in balance. Energy has positive and negative, right has wrong, ying has yang, and so on. No male energy can exist without feminine energy and vice versa. It is only working in tandem that both energies can create even cosmic ripples. None can define anything male or female as prime factor. Existance as such is possible in combination of both and not in isolation. You are Indian Saggi and you must be aware of Shivashakti and how it works. Not based on religion but the power and the fundamentals behind it.
On a mundane level it is must be nice to discuss gender superiority or otherwise but if your mind allows you to see beyond what one can comprehend, understanding will come will knowledge of the seemingly unknown but it is the
Universal truth
"these wars actually liberated women of their brothers, sons, husbands and most importantly their heads" LOL :-D i must agree with that sentence :-)
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Can I answer too or is it strictly for males?
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
i don't agree with some feminists ,especially, their politics in the west. some feminists supported the wars in iraq and afghanistan as they believed these wars were waged to liberate women. these wars actually liberated women of their brothers, sons, husbands and most importantly their heads...
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
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everyone is entitled to their own opinions,FU....you have urs,i have mine.i have appreciated those answers that i personally found akin to my own views on this subject.that's all.but i respect other views too :-)
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people, we are standing at ground zero
of the feminist revolution
yeah, it was an inside job
stoic and sly
one we're supposed to forget
and downplay and deny
but i think the time is nothing
if not nigh
to let the truth out
coolest f-word ever deserves a fucking shout!
i mean
why can't all decent men and women
call themselves feminists?
out of respect
for those who fought for this
i mean, look around
we have this
Ani Difranco - Grand Canyon
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
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good answer again,SA :-)
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Woman is the other half part of the man, both man and woman makes the total human being.
Man has his things to do, his feelings, his needs.
Woman has her unique things to do, her feelings, her needs.
Woman is a mother a sister a daughter.
as long as equality is being aimed for it's alright....supremacy on either side is not good....just my opinion.
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
Feminism seems to me more like a political agenda than a social one. Feminists take the issue to extremes when they start denying what is obvious and this gets on my nerves. I have met a few of these who claim that women are better fighters on glaciers because of their physical superiority!! Can you beat that? As far as opportunities in jobs,professional equality is concerned,I have no issues but I definately have issues with the overboarders.
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good answer,WK :-)
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
I don't like to curb a person's natural tendencies so whatever she is, she is. I have no problem with that.
"Live with passion, Die with style"
huh? :-/
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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset
lol
i like walking in the fog cause no one knows i m smoking