Fake Diploma Scandal.

Using a fake document to misrepresent yourself is not legal, so it goes without saying that if you are thinking about buying a fake diploma or even a fake transcript these types of documents can only be used as a novelty gag gift or to replace an original college degree only, get more details from their website www.nd-center.com

guys...forget about the fake degree now.....Is that mean, if you don't have a college degree, u will not be able to have the PR. even if u have more than 17-20 years of experience :()

Honesty is the best policy...

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I have had several individuals who have gained there certification in the middle east, i am not suggesting that these certifications are fake, but the people i have seen on site, have there NEBOSH and they don't know how to do there job, most of them carn't even do a simple risk assesment.

So i rise the point of who is actually making sure the training institutes are up to scratch??

juan dela cruz may kilala din ako nag trabaho din sya sa qatar si TYRONE BORJA ARGUELLES ang real name (TROY) ang nickname nya sila mag asawa din si MELCHORA FONSECA ARGUELLES(MEL) naman ang asawa nya...sa kasamaang palad nalaman sa opisina kaya na pauwi fake pala ang diploma at transcript nila makukulong nga sana pero pinakiusapan lang..pero balita dito ng lahat nasa dubai daw sa kasamaang palad na naman natanggal yata sa trabaho kaya nasa pinas na kawawa naman ano...ganyan din ugali nila mag asawa HAMBOG din kaya di mag kaanak karma yata sa kanila un...kinasusuklaman nga sya ng mga kaklase nya dati na nandito na at mga kaopisina nya ngayon nagtitinda na lang daw ng bigas nauna kasi yabang ng magasawa na yan eh may iniwan pa ngang Personal Loan yan sa Qatar...bakit kaya merong taong ganun...

Dude, you belong to Iran, I am talking about South Indians, how does that relate to you? And lol refrain from calling "ignorant" and all. You aren't leaving good impression here.

helo laurana, 16 y.o. is the regular age we started on university,(6y.o. started elementary and studied for 6 years and 4 years for high school) with 5 years degree course like engineering., sometime we can finish that in 4 years with a trimester schooling. then take board exam right away after graduation and landed a job. some got jobs readily from their On the job training company after graduation, so it is possible that only 24 y.o. got a 3-4 years of experience.

to be or not to be....

HS diploma can not be authenticated with the CHED, it could be by DECS. I authenticated my HS diploma when I applied in Australia for a job.

to be or not to be....

that all we hear lately in doha are news about people who apply for a job carrying a fake dipoma/transcript to back him/herself up.

the worst part is they also do not know how to perform,handle the job itself.

fake transcripts,fake diplomas,fake job resume's....

so unfair to those applicants who are qualified.

"They are surely not good communicators"

lol hamood hassan, you surely haven't met a lot of "South Indians". Do you ever get out of your house ? You are an ignorant, stereotyping prick.

Go check out any Toastmasters club and you'll know who are the best communicators. You are so ignorant that you don't really know the difference between communicating and speaking english. Both of them are not equal. But then, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Iranians are the best.

Tide match...

I share somewhat same opinion, but! I would disagree with "indians" because in Qatar mostly we have Indians who belong to South India, and they're surely not good communicators but good at buttering. Rest, North Indians, they speak fine. Though adding "ONLY" to each sentence is their normal practice :p lol BTW what's the topic? :p

pepe33 you only have 1 week to go? i didnt know CID worked that fast? LOL

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keep fighting!

Not being a racist.. but i got to interview some I****ns for some job positions with really really thick CV and very impressing "Work experience" and "Educational Backgrounds" but cant even communicate in straight English.

ah sh*t, waste of time

yeah ok, m excited to crumple rj's face...anyway i still have 1 week before i leave doha for good so a good remembrance would be wonderfull...

I will put my money on Pacqman! :)

Let's see who will win: a sniper(rj_sniper007) or a special forces solder (pepe33)...So, any bets?

yeah coz you're not a filipino, wagka babadingbading dito

pepe33: pepe33 said anopinagsasabi mo tanga ...

anopinagsasabi mo tanga

now thats nice. this is the first post you did where you didnt actually said anything bad about Pinoys (except to me LOL).

youre learning. ;oP

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"You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back."

english my ass pajju

hoy roberto jesus, wag kang tatangatanga

english only plz on main forum :)

anopinagsasabi mo tanga

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how stupid of you to create another profile that says shes with you on this one.

cheap tricks doesnt work here you idiot.

stupid stupid stupid

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"You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back."

bahala ka sa buhay mo tanga

lets review the things that we posted. but i cant promise this will be idiot proof for you. but hopefully you will have a wider view of the things you just posted you idiot.

pepe33:to all pinoy, hindi ito ang lugar para ilantad nyo ang illegalidad ng mga kababayan natin coz you're also defining yourselves, hayaan nyo sila ang maka huli sa mga kababayan natin, wag nyo ipakita ang pagka traidor nyo by posting your comments here tunkol sa sarili nyong kababayan mismo.

Me: this topic goes for every nationalities so DONT single out filipinos on this matter. and were not being traitor to our fellow kababayans just by discussing this issue.

pepe33: do you wan't all other countries to know filipinos as the mastermind of all diploma fraud.

Me: if you think that only filipinos are doing this and masterminding these kinds of frauds then you are stupid.

pepe33:you seem to be so proud that your fellow filipinos are doing fake diplomas. if you post here to get back on that guy then you and juan de cruz are worst than him.

Me: im not proud that anybody is doing this. and from all the post here, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE(aside from juan dela cruz) who single out Filipinos on this issue. so i think you are stupid.

pepe33: you are giving other nationalities information that would copmpromise the future of filipino's in applying a job in the future....with the way you do your stupidity...in the future when a filipino guy applies for a job, they will be critizise for the authenticity of their papers thoroughly because of the talk of the town that filipinos are good in faking.

Me: and who says Filipinos are good in faking?. youre the ONLY ONE WHO SAYS SO. stupid.

do you now realize how you stupidly single out Filipinos?. or youre just too stubborn to admit it.

anyway, no matter how many times you single out Pinoys on this one. i'll still clean up your mess and make you look like stupid.

stupid

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"You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back."

rj, you're pathetic, are you really a filipino? what a shame

call me rj, 5283814, im loosing my patience with you

you're a technician, wonder why your frequncy is out of range

of course i would not be supportive to other nationalities you dumb ass, thy're not my concern.

can't you understand, im not single outing other nationalities coz they wouldn't care about a filipino being jobless, i'm focusing my coments on you and that other moron filipino, even yourslf you don't give a shit about your countrymen as long as you prove to them that you are right, but what's done is done, I admit that you are right about some filipinos faking there papers but why you of all the people telling others the secret, did a filipino guy rape you before or did some filipino stole your money? im just reminding you that you are giving other nationalities information that would copmpromise the future of filipino's in applying a job in the future....with the way you do your stupidity...in the future when a filipino guy applies for a job, they will be critizise for the authenticity of their papers thoroughly because of the talk of the town that filipinos are good in faking.

I am a filipino but I would not put my fellowmen in a situation that would affect there self esteem. you know rj, you have to let that jealousy out of you heart or you'll end up being left behind someday

you know what, i don;t have time arguing with a stupid f*cking person like you Rj...

shut the f*ck up and go on with you ignorant ideas....

bata ka pa iho, marami ka pa asin kakainin kaya wag mo ako hamunin ng argumento sa kagagohan mo

pepe33 "of course i would not be supportive to other nationalities you dumb ass, thy're not my concern."

pepe33

first

pepe33 "do you wan't all other countries to know filipinos as the mastermind of all diploma fraud."

if you think that only filipinos are doing this and masterminding these kinds of frauds then you are stupid.

second

pepe33 "of all the filipinos that i know your the most stupid one....you seem to be so proud that your fellow filipinos are doing fake diplomas. if you post here to get back on that guy then you and juan de cruz are worst than him."

im not proud that anybody is doing this. and from all the post here, you are the only one (aside from juan dela cruz) who single out Filipinos on this issue. so i think you are stupid.

and third

i agree with popcorngirl. you are supporting our fellow Filipinos the wrong way.

and BTW, if you happen to see a Pakistani, Indian, American, European or ANY other nationality with fake diplomas. im not so sure you will be as supportive to them as you are right now.

as everybody in this thread is aware that this topic goes for every nationality, dont single out Filipinos because that makes you a racist, stupid.

you are the first one who called me stupid. by doing that you just gave me permission to retaliate stupid.

now if you really are a stupid person please reply here and i will be very happy to answer your stupid questions with stupid replies.

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"You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back."

well popcorn girl, you know sometimes it's a matter of survival, though he wanted to persue his degree, he doesn't have the means coz his salary is not that big and only enough to send his children to school.

if you were in his position, would you tell your boss that your degree is fake even though you know that he will terminate you if they knew and if they terminate you, you would be jobless,.wont you think about the future of your children? if i was in his shoes, i would keep my mouth shut as long as my family survives hunger.

maybe when the time comes that you see your children crying in pain and hunger and you don't have anything to feed them you would tell yourself that you would do anything just to put food on their table.

stop pretending popcorngirl and admit to youself that youwould also be dishonest when that crisis comes into your life

If the person you quote is so good at his job; he should go and qualify then. He has lied to his employers; why would they trust him again.

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"this topic goes to all nationalities"

very well said rj, do you wan't all other countries to know filipinos as the mastermind of all diploma fraud.

of all the filipinos that i know your the most stupid one....you seem to be so proud that your fellow filipinos are doing fake diplomas. if you post here to get back on that guy then you and juan de cruz are worst than him.

paki usap, wag ka na sumagot para di tayo mag mukhang kahiyahiya

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this topic goes for every nationalities so dont single out filipinos on this matter. and were not being traitor to our fellow kababayans just by discussing this issue.

i saw juan dela cruz posted a name a while back. but that is another issue.

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"You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back."

gotcha swedish, how did you know??? hush...dont tell them k..

...CHO RAH MO...

By the way How do you know that its very easy to forge DID YOU ALSO ???

to all pinoy, hindi ito ang lugar para ilantad nyo ang illegalidad ng mga kababayan natin coz you're also defining yourselves, hayaan nyo sila ang maka huli sa mga kababayan natin, wag nyo ipakita ang pagka traidor nyo by posting your comments here tunkol sa sarili nyong kababayan mismo.

you had to let your diploma translated in english while our diploma is already in english...it is also authenticated by our department of foreign affairs with a red ribbon but you're right laurana, it's a long process in authenticating such documents

got accelerated 1 year ahead in highschool so I entered the university at 16....8 years in primary school and 3 years in secondary + 5 years in college

how can they have their diplomas accepted here: I had to translate my master degree in English using an certified law translator, obtain the conformity of the translation from Ministry of education, having it super-legalized by Ministry of Justice, make it international by having a visa from Ministry of Foreign Affairs and with all those certification I had to go to Qatar embassy and have their stamp on it. So is not only a photoshop solution here, it is a long chain of coruption that is not very probable in developed countries (that remark is for king007).

I received for approval similar CVs: 21-24 yrs applicants for a job of senior engineer, starting uni at 16?!! and having at 24 already 3-4 yrs of experience on executive jobs... I asked them why they are not applying to a job in NASA...

BTW, all of them were from Philippines and only one from India (the Indian was 21 and have worked as site manager for about 2 years).

You can't teach experience...

my husband in charge in hiring people in his company, he told me some of the applicant only 21 yrs old but holding few diplomas and master degree.

Did he start his uni when he is 10 yrs old ???

b*ll sh*t, it doesn't matter if somebody faked his or her diploma as long as he is competetive on his job.

a lot of people here have their credentials shown to everybody but their heads are full of corrosion.

judge a person on how good he is on his duties and not only on how he presents himself as a professional.

I have many friends who's credentials are fake and they are sometimes better than those who have genuine papers. sometimes people needs to do whatever is necessary to feed their families back home, don't make it worst for them.

MagicDragon: I am trying to analyze by the Pareto Principle if Qatar's economy will crumble if 90% of the workers are fake diploma holders. Money-wise, I believe it won't. If eradicated, the wage of these 90% fake diploma holders can rather go as allowance for salary increase to the authentic diploma holders. :)

:D correct me if i am wrong.

RJ: It is bad news for them, but what to do if this is their law, and ignorance of the law excuses no one.

nadzmyrah: thats bad news for the fake diploma/credentials holders.

MagicDragon: hahaha you are absolutely right!. i can already see Qatar's massive layoffs if they suddenly take this matter seriously.

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"You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back."

Somebody mentioned about Article (61) of Qatar Labor Law the other day, i think, and #1 of this article had:

Article (61)

The employer may dismiss the worker without notice and without payment of the end of service gratuity in the following instances:

1. If the worker assumes a false identity or nationality or submits false certificates or documents.

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sniper: by 90%! Ha ha ha. And those with real diplomas will ask for a lot of money. The economy of Qatar will crumble.

it was at one time very hard as an employer over here to see the difference between fake and real qualificatins.

Thankfully there is now potential employers trading CV's so we know who applies for jobs and how many CV's they put in for different jobs.

I have 4 different CV's this week, from the same person applying for four different jobs. I had 2 different e-mails to advertise!

My messege is, don't apply for a job you can't do. You may get a couple of months of money but it does not help you in the long run.

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if Qatar suddenly trackdown these people with fake credentials. Qatars manpower will be cut by half! hahaha!.

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"You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back."

juan dela cruz, i also know of one who holds a fake school diploma from Recto, and i have such high regards to Canadians, and it is so sad that she works for a Canadian boss.:(

i wonder, as an employer, how it feels if you find out that you have been deceived by your trusted employee with her fake diploma?

yup yan ang real name nya ELMER PILI AT ASAWA NAMAN NYA EH SI MAILA CRUZ PILI. MGA PEKE ANG GINAGAMIT NA ECORDS NG MGA YAN. BAKA KAKILALA NYO ITO YUN ELMER PILI EH ALSO KNOWN AS POT POT AT YUN ASAWA NAMAN EH ALSO KNOWN AS ELLA. IPAGBIGAY SA GOBYERNO NG QATAR MGA HAMBOG NA PINOY PO YAN DYAN

may kakilala ako nagtatrabaho dyan sa qatar si ELMER PILI hambog na pinoy peke mga diplomas gawa lang sa recto kala mo kun sino pati asawa nya mga peke ang school records dapat malaman yan dyan

yes tanya, HS diploma can be authenticated with the CHED (in the case of the Philippines), my cousin has gone through that along with authentication of his college diploma. We almost never hear authentication of HS diploma because mostly, and practically, only the credentials for the highest level of qualifications are being authenticated.

dmigtysolomon, I think every country has the professional examination for engineers, but it is only here in Qatar that i heard people identify themselves as "engineers" and "accountants" just because they work on engineering and accounting jobs, even though they do not have the professional license and real diploma ,at least, for the same.:-)

Indeed, little things that do a great deal (a domino effect) for the health of an organization.

This might be one of the reasons why many businesses fail because they have employees who do not have the education and techniques supposedly required on their assigned job.

"Little knowledge is dangerous" because even one who has graduated with a degree and is put to work on another field cannot deliver the same quality of work as the one who graduated and worked on that line or field. How much for one who has not acquired the later years in college, where the "juice" of the course is taught?

thanks MJ...

somebody called me??

well - well, at least he is honest to be a HS graduate, (quite sure if HS diploma needs to be red ribbon'd...) not like other whos claiming to an engineer or whatever. He deserves whatever/whever he is right now being honest. HS grad man xa and if school is no longer oeprational, still, for sure will be enlisted sa database ng gov natin and he finish HS noong operational pa ang school.

But the issue here is authencity of credentials.

tanya, edit quick! you're in the main forum...you know what that means...

you are absolutely right!.

and why do they keep saying "i know, i know" anyway???.

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Many companies are starting to get wise to employees that produce false certificates after too many complaints translate in to profit or efficiency loss. They are also wise to the fact that with the global economical down turn there is a vast amount of qualified people available with experience and track record. They no longer have the problem of lack of available qualified people in the job market to fill positions as per a year ago.

but does CID keep records for it? my friend is a High School Graduate and he is here for 2 yrs working for a company when he finished is contract and applied for new job his new company is asking him to have his HS Diploma to be RED Ribbon but the problem is that the school in no longer existing, if he will present only his Grades School Diploma will he be facing a case? since from his record in CID he is HS Graduate?

many here got their jobs by luck, nothing else. They do nothing and know nothing. Period.

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

i know someone who has fake credentials. always say he's an Engineer but a first year college student was way WAY better than him and much much faster to learn. and the worst part is, if you ask him something he always says "i know! i know!" thats why he always gets in trouble. LOL... what a loser.

Not everybody is deserving to be here and being paid that much. the irritating part is, they're the ones who are lazy, stupid and abusive of their position. these guys are a joke.

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"You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back."

One of the reason why Indian companies or comapnies with Indian HR in Gulf don't employ other nationalities is that they are not sure about the authentic degrees and work experience of these candidates. Most of the recruitment at higher level takes place from large Indian organization on word of mouth or networking basis. Indian businesses (Tata/BlueStar....)have many a times protested against the gulf HR who drains away most of its trained staff.

a "seasoned and good-experinced" "UNTITLED" man and a "TITLED" man of poor workmanship or attitude. Specifically if work involved a matter of life and death? Licensed professional will always have the advantage as they have license to bargain for.

It's the same thing as driving a vehicle. One may get the knowledge to drive but need a LICENSE to be legal!

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

Well most of the "Degree Mills" websites are from US and NOT from India.

So why target the Indians? There would be so many US/UK/Western Expats with fake degrees hiding, thanks to their skin color which does not even create a doubt in anyone's mind against them...

Check the number of * and BTW its still wrong to even target Italians or Ethiopians

What I am saying is its wrong to target any particular country as these traits are all over the world

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on series of examinations, interviews and background checking, etc.

"Adda ti adal na, ngem awan ti sursuro na."

regarding the above case- it is the discretion of certain Company to impose strict procedures in hiring their Employees. It is at their responsibility if they hired Staff with "fake"credentials. Hire at your own risk.

"Adda ti adal na, ngem awan ti sursuro na."

hi t_com you are right but richie_rich is not saying Indians and Egyptians... It can be Italians or Ethiopians.

Come-on give the benefit of the doubt. lol.

Cooling down mode...

"Adda ti adal na, ngem awan ti sursuro na."

professional examination to determine whether graduates do possess the qualification needed to perform delicate job. There is a "small" difference (actually, spelling only) between an "ENGINEER" and an "ENGINEERING" graduate. But the responsibility is huge. Not everyone is entitled to the "TITLE"!

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

In fairness, its not only true to Indians or Egyptians, I knew a few guilty Filipino in Qatar. But its not my way to interfere in someone's personal life. And I believe the Qatar Authority started long time in cracking down these fake documents.

t-coff--- 's right, forgery is everywhere in the world, unqualified personnel might be in risk, not only for those 2 national up there but all expats around.

i heard a lot of them and in my own opinion i advice them to get an extra degree to improve their professional qualifications with their chosen field of works

how can she be right she has targeted only 2 countries

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Many people do this for their families sake. so if its for good intentions then thats the reasons this people are going away with it

Don't be racist by targeting any cast creed or religion

Fake diploma's are available in all the countries not only India and Egypt

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not only for the company, but also for the bogus individual as well.

Now I***ans and E****ian are in danger!

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There are few expats from 3rd world countries working in Qatar for a long time having fake diplomas & transcript. They even call themselves engineers and were able to brought in their families and relatives. Producing a fake documents in the place where they came from is not a big problem. I can't understand how they manage to get around.

then the Qatar Govt should also crackdown unqualified employees... lol

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KEEP MOVING!!!

i see a lot of guilty people....

the Immigration itself does not screen, if they do, photocopy will not be accepted as it is very easy to forge... and are so much of them here now.

Few BIG company here in qatar requires authenticated credentials, and only them have in their comapny the legaly qualified employees.

Are you saying they aren't already screening educational credentials ? I thought they were. And depends on the employer if they require authentication of the credentials. Not all of them require it.

And most employers (not sure about Qatar)only require authentication of the highest educational credential.

Anyone been in any one of the above situations where the employer required auth. of all educational diplomas or where they've required auth. of only the highest credential ?

If the CID did that half of the expat will be out of job.. especially you Heero..lol

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It's a very rich oil producing country with 'systems' lower than possibly any Third World countries. Catching people who violate laws around here are 'choosy' and racial.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

i agree braveheartqatar, maybe a move to parallel to Qatar's high legal standards. Do you call that employment fraud? Fraud in any way is illegal. And don't you think this kind of scam demerits an organization's reputation?

I believe it would be a good thing considering that many people who faked their way into jobs here are in positions that are critical to certain public services. The problem goes deeper than most people realize. In the end the ones who are hiring these people are to blame as they should perform the proper checks and follow up on references.

why not employers requires authentication of documents particularly school credentials and professional licenses prior to hiring and processing of work visas...qatar government shall endorse and pass a bill regulating hiring of workers that will undergo the screening processes...a crackdown of fake credentials...

I think they already are doing it. At least they used to use this service called Integra screen. When the documents were submitted for a Work visa, then this third party firm were incharge of screening them. And they do have a list of all diploma mills.

If you search online, you'll see a real long list of them. I think Oregon was one of the first states to start cracking down against them and hence there is an Oregon gov site that has a list of diploma mills.

Not sure if the Qatari gov. still uses the services of Integra screen. I know the UAE stopped using them.

So what used to happen is they give you a work visa/RP, but if your documents later turned out to be not authentic, they used to deport.