I think that USA can improve its image by not pressing on displaying its military might but by showing how they are contributing to the greater good of the people else where.
Although I respect it is insulting to those who have died in the war. I think it is best to keep it in context.
The program looked as if was a comedy chat show? For want of a better term.
It all seemed heavily scripted and contrived to me. In other words, like most comedians they wanted the shock value.
In England we have a TV show called Mock the Week. Similar to that and to be honest all it does is mock, anybody and everybody. Some of it is so funny you cry laughing and sometimes I have cringed and wondered how the hell they got away with it.
These people are just moronic commedians. They insulted others to. However, I know that is the not the same as insulting troops that have just come home from a horrible war.
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
a peon is usually an office boy, an attendant, or an orderly, a person kept around for odd jobs
peón has also a range of meanings related to unskilled or semi-skilled work or manual labour, whether referring to a low-status wage earner in a variety of rural and urban industries (especially a day labourer or a servant); a peasant; a bullfighter's assistant, or, historically, someone subject to forms of unfree labour.
a peon is an "unprivileged user"—a person without special privileges on a computer system.
Pick and choose the peon you want to be;)
“Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.” -Dolores Ibárruri
Alex….why don’t u ask this guy who lost a THIRD of his brain if this is “propaganda?”
Since you claim this video is “propaganda” then was the Holocaust “propaganda” as well??? What do you know anyway...you are not from Canada or the United States of America.... you are EuroPEON...
“Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.” -Dolores Ibárruri
Things like "Tean America: World Police" are reasons people love America. So do the Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report...and Gary Unmarried (which I'm really enjoying right now).
Nobody likes a policeman. That's the real reason everyone hates America.
I once watched an excellent documentary on American foreign policy called Team America, World Police. It was made using puppets so that foreigners (who are not as intelligent as Americans) could understand.
As a Norwegian, I found this very helpful and particularly liked the very helpful maps which showed America's position in the world and how far every where else was from it. I had no idea that America was so much bigger than Canada for example.
Us Norwegians are generally insular people. We don't much like foreigners or foreign countries that's why we didn't join the EU. Consequently, we don't know much or care much about the rest of the world although some of us have been to Sweden and Denmark.
In finishing I would just like to say that as a result of seeing that excellent documentary Team America World Police, I have now changed my mind and appreciate what a wonderful job the US is doing for the world.
Thank you America from your Norwegian friend.
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about
Fox News is not news...it is entertainment for the mentally challenged. Rupert Murdoch knows he can make more money catering to these type of people than to the progressives.
I guarantee you that if Rupert Murdoch had thought he could make more money with a liberal slanted network he would have...but that market was already saturated:) Supply and demand...unfortunately about half of America falls into his network's target demographics.
If all the other networks went conservative, I bet Fox News would be the first to take a liberal slant....it's all about the money.
Noun 1. homeboy - a fellow male member of a youth gang
youth gang - a gang whose members are teenagers
fellow member, member - one of the persons who compose a social group (especially individuals who have joined and participate in a group organization); "only members will be admitted"; "a member of the faculty"; "she was introduced to all the members of his family"
2. homeboy - a male friend from your neighborhood or hometown
acquaintance, friend - a person with whom you are acquainted; "I have trouble remembering the names of all my acquaintances"; "we are friends of the family"
Do agree w/you about International coverage in US...But...more and more peeps getting news off the internet, including kids....and can get good coverage of everything there..you know us "americans" love the instant gratification of the web..have to wait too long for the morning papers, by then it's old news.
american news in general are just completely rediculous; they talk about the most random and irrelevant stuff for several minutes i.e. some dog saving a baby kitten somewhere in Arkansas. And if 2000 people die in India from a flood...they cover it for three seconds. Or what about the Darfur Conflict??? Never heard about it here. Generally the news here (US) dont cover any international topics. You have to watch BBC world to stay in touch.
In my view, TV is the main reason why the general public is so ignorant about anything outside of the states. They passively get force-fed about their fears and insecurities, or they are just too distracted by bullshit tv shows to think about anything. and whats up with letting really young children watch TV for hours a day??
TV is babylon! i'm kidding. I love Family Guy, BBC Documentaries, French Cinema and so many other things. Just think one needs to be selective about TV. Got to love the internet...SO MUCH information from so many different sources. BUT its the yanks that are kind of in control of the internet...
To get back to the topic of discussion; I dont think all americans are ignorant, and i certainly dont hate them. A lot of them are just really uneducated and have a very 'conditioned mindset'. Obama will hopefully lead the states in a new direction. He is my homeboy!
It's ironic that someone should post that story about the plight of Iraq's Christians, whose community has been pretty much destroyed according to various reports.
Before the invasion, one of the stories supporting an attack was that Iraq's Christian's were solidly demanding an invasion to overthrow the tyrant. If I remember correctly, the source of this info was our much beloved Fox News, whose team of reporters stumbled on a team of Christian missionaries fleeing Iraq in the middle of the Jordanian desert. The Pastor of these South Korean missionaries was able to reveal in dramatic terms, how urgently the Christians demanded immediate American action to relieve them of Islamic oppression.
This struck me as odd, because the Christians were not particular victims of Saddam, who was not religious, and it is unusual for people to want foreign armies to invade their country, so I did some checking.
I'm a bit hazy about the exact details after all this time, but the gist of it was that the Pastor's father was head of some obscure church that had links with the US. So much so, in fact, that daddy had been a guest at the White House and had been given a certificate praising him by George W.
How odd that George's favourite TV station should stumble on the son of one of George's favourite preachers in the middle of the Jordanian desert, only for the TV to be able to exclusively reveal that all the Iraqi Christians love George and want him to invade their country.
Now look where they are ... refugee camps and Germany. Of course, the story that they wanted the invasion was a fiction designed to strengthen the pro-war views of th e religious Right. Presumably it was all orchestrated by the CIA, with Fox's connivance.
that many of our own countries (mine included) have a significant percentage of their populations who know nothing "accurate" about any other country (and a lot of inaccurate things about their own).
Education is the key as an earlier poster said - when people are educated they tend to not follow the herd blindly but to form their own (informed) opinions.
Unfortunately, this doesn't happen often enough. I can't tell you how often my compatriots make silly assumptions about my life here in the Gulf - based on heresay and assumptions - not by actually "looking it up" which is so much easier today with internet access (so long as you use reliable sources). But, as my signature line says ..............
These are all reasons why I left the USA 27 years ago and will never live there again. If I could defect for good I would but the new tax laws say you have to give up 30% of everything own to the govenment proertyand assets included, and be taxed for the 10 years for everything you earn, and thats after you give them your passport. Have a look at the IRS website and have a look at what the new "change" they came up with.
Gypsy, someone mentioned that education is the key. I agree with that, but it's not up to Obama to educate the entire world.
Kids in our schools need to be taught how to plow their way through all the information that's available, how to think critically about what they've read or heard. I do believe the American education system addresses this, or tries to anyway, but unfortunately most of the rest of the world does not."
Blimey. Do you? I thought the US educational system up to school-leaver age was largely insular and self-centred, failing to give people much of an idea of the historical, social or geographical context of anything beyond US borders. We outsiders also get the impression that in large areas education is being subverted by people like the head of Oklahoma's higher-education sub-committee who has launched an inquiry into how Richard Dawkins was possibly permitted to speak at the state university. But, of course, that could be because we are suffering from misconceptions.
How much Americans understand about the world matters to all of us, given that the US has by far the most powerful military in the world and not many scruples about using it. How many lives would have been saved if the Fox News viewers had understood that there was no Saddam-Osama nexus and that there was no evidence Iraq was attempting to acquire WMD (and the proof of that was all in the public domain back in 2001 for anyone who cared to look)?
It is not news it is unashamedly a satire show and no one takes it seriously if they even watch it at all. It is meant to shock and be silly thats all.
Fox is rubbish for sure.....filled with total bias, fear and ridiculous exaggerations of the liberal 'enemy'. Anyone who watches it and takes it seriously is not someone of much intellect.
Nothing that a president needs to do anything about...if anything....fixing the education system in America will remove the popularity of Fox so will fix the problem.
Gypsy, someone mentioned that education is the key. I agree with that, but it's not up to Obama to educate the entire world.
Kids in our schools need to be taught how to plow their way through all the information that's available, how to think critically about what they've read or heard. I do believe the American education system addresses this, or tries to anyway, but unfortunately most of the rest of the world does not.
There is nothing you can do. People all over the world are affected by this type of media reporting.
A study by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) reported that Americans who relied on the Fox News Channel for their coverage of the Iraq war were the most likely to believe misinformation about the war, whatever their political affiliation may be. Those mistaken facts, the study found, increased viewers' support for the war.
As an aside, NewsCorp which owns media interests accross the globe in various guises can and does influence the way most of us percieve things. A simple example of the UK is The Sun newspaper. Like it or not, when it comes to elections, this paper can influence which party takes power.
The answer is for people to read (access) a cross section of channels / sources so as to form a truer picture for themselves. Sadly, this is unlikely.
Stormy Seas I'm not sure what the solution is, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas. Like it or not the American media affects the worlds view of America, and channels like Fox create a negative image. What would you suggest the US do?
"Thing is, i really would like to know why it is ALWAYS the US that gets judged so easily on tv programmes and not any other country"
True Alexa. There are stupid people everywhere!
To tell you the truth Gypsy, I'm not real clear on what your point is here. First you said Obama is resposnible for ridding the world of Fox,then you said you're not in favor of silencing, but did you ever say what you ARE proposing? Admittedly, I stepped out and then came back and skimmed, so I might have missed something...
But if not, it kinda seems like you're just wanting to stir something up because the doofuses at Fox mad fun of Canada.
one american asked me where ru from? i said from algeria, he asked where is it located? I said at north of africa. he was looking at me and said: I thought all african were black....
you guys have a wrong impression that we (the non-Americans) hate Americans. Actually we do not. We look at them like any citizens of any country where you find the good, the bad, the crook, the racist,... etc.
Our idea about Americans and consequently our opinion is based mainly on Hollywood productions. With that in mind. Hollywood did ruin the reputation and image of Americans and it rarely reflect the real American society(s).
My experience with Americans was very positive and I find them very nice people (in general) and very friendly. The only negative point about them is that they mainly know America, American Media and American politicians. They are not much exposed to and aware of what happens outside their ZIP code.
But is ignoring it the right answer? Perhaps there should be a push for a better and more accurate representation in the media? Or perhaps there should be public awareness campaigns to make people realize how their actions effect the world view.
In the case of the Brits maybe more AA meetings would help?
Fox has incredibly high ratings and is extremely influential.
It is a commerical service that respondes to consumer demands.
If it didn't resonate with its viewers, it wouldn't rate, and it would change. Fox presents news the way it does because that's what its viewers demand and it voices the opinions it does because that's what people like to hear.
How could you argue that the millions of people who chose to watch Fox instead of CNN do so because they disagree with it? Would make the same argument that people watch CNN because they dislike its mostly unbiased reporting?
loud,gobby,brash, always going on about how they are number 1 and they save everybodies ass's during the war.
Much the same as people may see Brits as drunks, always doing drugs,fighting and have loose sex all over the place.
Like has been said, if yer live in a small village in the sticks, yer will think that Britain, america are like that, its what the media want ya to see, in order to sell newspapers or win the ratings war.......
Doesnt mean we are all like that, same as the majority of Muslims are NOT terrorists or suicide bombers.
I beg to differ. Having worked in the states , I would say that channels like Fox DO influence a certain portion of the population, whilst projecting a negative image abroad.
As in many other countries, many people are influenced by tabloid and gutter press. An example of this is The Sun newspaper in the UK.. Sky News, an affiliate of Fox often carries Fox stories in the UK and Europe.
This class of media does influence and shape people's opinions.
I can only use the evidence that you have almost 12K posts most of which are made during the day that you spend a lot of company time doing personal things :).
I am just saying. You are a feisty one aren't you?
than there are educated people watching it. Jerry and the rest of them, we can also see as a joke, heck we have some of those also in SA. Some countries only have TV news channels easily available to the masses as a window to another nations way of life! A good school, books, or internet's not that easy to come by for some people.
The future is made of the same stuff as the present - Simone Weil.
I know and I didn't mean "you" as in "you" either Alexa. Just speaking in general terms, if we don't see things with our own eyes, or know someone from the US, Egypt, Lebanon, etc, then like or not, smart or not, we form opinions based on media.
We are very lucky by the fact that we live in a VERY mulitcultural society, so most of us know Americans who don't fit the sterotypes that Jerry Springer, Maury Povich, Fox News etc portray, or know Egyptians or Pakistanis that don't fit the sterotypes presented by the media and therefore form are own opinions.
But if you're in some small village in India and the only "experience" of America you get is from Jerry Springer, what are you going to think?
Just like the guy in this clip obviously has no experience or real knowledge of the Canadian military and what they are doing in Afghanistan and therefore is basing his opinions on tv and media that, for the most part, refers to us as pacifists.
Considering you don't know me Ace I find it funny that you assume you know how I work only based by what you're seeing on QL....Hmmmm, did I just prove my point there?
They should probably withhold some of your paycheck because obviously you spend much more time on QL than doing your job :)
Unless you work nights and this is your off time, then I apologize.
"I do believe they significantly influence the rest of the worlds opinion of the US"
If the rest of the world wants to base any bit of opinion on the US because of JERRY SPRINGER and MAURY POVICH then they are complete idiots. FOX News I can somewhat understand, but to even bring these names up to represent the US in any way is a joke.
But they do Alexa. Whether they should or they shouldn't, they do. Just as I derive opinions from seeing that it's apprantely funny in Lebanese and Egyptian comedies to slap women.
No I don't think that these things significantly influence Americans, however I do believe they significantly influence the rest of the worlds opinion of the US.
It's pretty funny that you say Americans are all arrogant. Some are, yes. But, I have to say that I have met many more arrogant people here in Qatar than I ever have in the states.
If you think that Maury Povich and Jerry Springer are significantly influential to the US pattern of thought, you are sadly mistaken. Those people are considered a joke by the majority of the Americans I know. They are on TV for people to laugh at only. Gypsy, do you have a job? Or do you just post your opinions on Qatar Living all day long?
seriously, is like asking the dead to stay away from the light. When Jerry first showed in SA, you secretly would have had wondered about how the average American conduct his/her life. Keep in mind, we were only being introduced to Oprah then for a short time.
The future is made of the same stuff as the present - Simone Weil.
I didn't say silence. I don't believe in silencing freedom of speech. However I think he needs to do whatever he can to change the attitudes of the Americans who create this bad image, or work very hard on ridding the bad image shows like this have created.
I think you can add Dr Phil to that. He appears to be Jerry Springer for people who still have operational brain cells.
Has nobody noticed the exact parallel between the suggestion that Obama should silence Fox to protect America's image and the Qatari/Arab obsession with the media not exposing things that are shameful for their country?
The answer to all our problems - from Fox to Al Qaeda - is education. Educate populations so that people don't live in a little bubble defined geographically by the Bible Belt or the limits of the Tora Bora mountains and intellectually by some mediaeval book, and the world would improve no end.
That's where Bush was so stupid. He thought democracy solved things and it doesn't. Education does. But Bush lives in his own bubbleful of misconceptions, too, so he couldn't see that.
Bin Laden Bunkers....were built by Bin Laden Construction Co under US supervision during the US-Afghan War against Russian war....they used that to store weapons....
Its easy to hypnotise people who addicted to watching "NEWS" 3 times a day......I make it a point to watch it only once a week...am I any less informed?
Roadtester & UkEng....I've not yet seen "the power of nightmares"....maybe soon...
Roadtester yes I have watched the BBC program "the power of nightmares". It was amazing to see in that Program how easily the Neo Con of the US can brain wash a whole country or even the western countries including my own Britain and make every believe in an proven or unseen enemy.. First they claimed that Soviet Union and communist was the biggest Evil of all time. (yet the whole world is now enjoying the financial success of China). Then after that they created a new Enemy called Al Qaeda and associated it with Evil. Amazing how Al Qaeda views and the NeoCon views are similar yet one is seen as the Good doer and the other Evil.. Yet they ideas and view are so similar..
And to conclude.. Fox news can be said to be the mouth piece for Neocon of the US...
If I was American I would be very ashamed that my country produced such a crap propaganda service as Fox news. Therefore, I was both pleased and surprised to recently learn that I am in fact Norwegian. Although I did visit Oslo once for three days in 1993 I was not aware at that time that Norway had conferred citizenship upon me.
This information was gleaned from the excellent and highly accurate Facebook quizzes that can provide the answers to most of life's questions and dilemmas. Therefore as a Norwegian I wish to apologize for any offense caused to my Canadian friends by the crap misinformation service known as Fox News.
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about
Vegas & hotandsticky, you know and I know who this programming caters too, but the fact of the matter is that it's broadcast internationally, and people who are ignorant of Western culture themselves take programmes like Maury Povich and Jerry Springer as the gospel truth of what Western culture is like. They also take Fox news seriously.
but i think the dislike they have is not for american people, its for the country (can say govt.)
I think there is a realization in some other countries that american people by and large (with exceptions ofcourse) are unaware or have an ignorant view of the world affairs and how american govt. policies affects them.
Fox News caters to the same mindset of Jerry Springer, Maury Povich and World Wrestling Federation fans.
It is a requirement that you must have an IQ under 80 to watch Fox. If you take Fox seriously and are unable to see how full of SH_T the program really is, give yourself a certificate of ignorance award. Your IQ is severely suffering.
you need to help Mis-Cat learn how to play nice....Checking out, not enough constructive dialogue... too bad could have been interesting, I love bashing USA media!
I do Apologize as we didn't want Rupert so we sent him to the states where he found just what he was looking for, a country that by in large couldn't think for it's self ( I don't think this about all Yanks but you have to admit those that yanks that can think for themselves don't actually appear to be living in the country) and was primed to be led by the media.
If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died....Chad Kroeger
There was a good show on bbc called "the power of nightmares' Which showed how successive american governments have used false propoganda to cajole the american people into dodgy wars. they showed clips of FOX news showing an artists impression of 'bin ladens bunker' which looked like something out of a james bond film!!!!!
Well what they said about Canada was not new, Although it was particularly insensitive towards the families of the 116 soliders killed in Afghanistan.
It was the overall arrogance that got me, the "Strongest nation in the Universe" crap. I mean seriously? They wonder why other nations don't like them and why 9/11 happened.
Fox News caters for a certain "strata" of society. Most of their news is gung ho and jingoistic. Should be taken witha pinch of salt by most.
What was fascinating was not so much the denegration of the Canadian Army, but the snide remarks regarding Canada's dependence on its neighbour for security.
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I think that USA can improve its image by not pressing on displaying its military might but by showing how they are contributing to the greater good of the people else where.
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“Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.” -Dolores Ibárruri
Although I respect it is insulting to those who have died in the war. I think it is best to keep it in context.
The program looked as if was a comedy chat show? For want of a better term.
It all seemed heavily scripted and contrived to me. In other words, like most comedians they wanted the shock value.
In England we have a TV show called Mock the Week. Similar to that and to be honest all it does is mock, anybody and everybody. Some of it is so funny you cry laughing and sometimes I have cringed and wondered how the hell they got away with it.
These people are just moronic commedians. They insulted others to. However, I know that is the not the same as insulting troops that have just come home from a horrible war.
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
a peon is usually an office boy, an attendant, or an orderly, a person kept around for odd jobs
peón has also a range of meanings related to unskilled or semi-skilled work or manual labour, whether referring to a low-status wage earner in a variety of rural and urban industries (especially a day labourer or a servant); a peasant; a bullfighter's assistant, or, historically, someone subject to forms of unfree labour.
a peon is an "unprivileged user"—a person without special privileges on a computer system.
Pick and choose the peon you want to be;)
“Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.” -Dolores Ibárruri
a whole generation of American children would not know where Iraq was...
Alex….why don’t u ask this guy who lost a THIRD of his brain if this is “propaganda?”
Since you claim this video is “propaganda” then was the Holocaust “propaganda” as well??? What do you know anyway...you are not from Canada or the United States of America.... you are EuroPEON...
“Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.” -Dolores Ibárruri
Things like "Tean America: World Police" are reasons people love America. So do the Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report...and Gary Unmarried (which I'm really enjoying right now).
Nobody likes a policeman. That's the real reason everyone hates America.
I once watched an excellent documentary on American foreign policy called Team America, World Police. It was made using puppets so that foreigners (who are not as intelligent as Americans) could understand.
As a Norwegian, I found this very helpful and particularly liked the very helpful maps which showed America's position in the world and how far every where else was from it. I had no idea that America was so much bigger than Canada for example.
Us Norwegians are generally insular people. We don't much like foreigners or foreign countries that's why we didn't join the EU. Consequently, we don't know much or care much about the rest of the world although some of us have been to Sweden and Denmark.
In finishing I would just like to say that as a result of seeing that excellent documentary Team America World Police, I have now changed my mind and appreciate what a wonderful job the US is doing for the world.
Thank you America from your Norwegian friend.
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about
Fox News is not news...it is entertainment for the mentally challenged. Rupert Murdoch knows he can make more money catering to these type of people than to the progressives.
I guarantee you that if Rupert Murdoch had thought he could make more money with a liberal slanted network he would have...but that market was already saturated:) Supply and demand...unfortunately about half of America falls into his network's target demographics.
If all the other networks went conservative, I bet Fox News would be the first to take a liberal slant....it's all about the money.
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“Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.” -Dolores Ibárruri
Nicely said.... :))
whatever anybody says, Americans are beautiful people because they greet & meet even strangers with smile.
Noun 1. homeboy - a fellow male member of a youth gang
youth gang - a gang whose members are teenagers
fellow member, member - one of the persons who compose a social group (especially individuals who have joined and participate in a group organization); "only members will be admitted"; "a member of the faculty"; "she was introduced to all the members of his family"
2. homeboy - a male friend from your neighborhood or hometown
acquaintance, friend - a person with whom you are acquainted; "I have trouble remembering the names of all my acquaintances"; "we are friends of the family"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
Do agree w/you about International coverage in US...But...more and more peeps getting news off the internet, including kids....and can get good coverage of everything there..you know us "americans" love the instant gratification of the web..have to wait too long for the morning papers, by then it's old news.
american news in general are just completely rediculous; they talk about the most random and irrelevant stuff for several minutes i.e. some dog saving a baby kitten somewhere in Arkansas. And if 2000 people die in India from a flood...they cover it for three seconds. Or what about the Darfur Conflict??? Never heard about it here. Generally the news here (US) dont cover any international topics. You have to watch BBC world to stay in touch.
In my view, TV is the main reason why the general public is so ignorant about anything outside of the states. They passively get force-fed about their fears and insecurities, or they are just too distracted by bullshit tv shows to think about anything. and whats up with letting really young children watch TV for hours a day??
TV is babylon! i'm kidding. I love Family Guy, BBC Documentaries, French Cinema and so many other things. Just think one needs to be selective about TV. Got to love the internet...SO MUCH information from so many different sources. BUT its the yanks that are kind of in control of the internet...
To get back to the topic of discussion; I dont think all americans are ignorant, and i certainly dont hate them. A lot of them are just really uneducated and have a very 'conditioned mindset'. Obama will hopefully lead the states in a new direction. He is my homeboy!
It's ironic that someone should post that story about the plight of Iraq's Christians, whose community has been pretty much destroyed according to various reports.
Before the invasion, one of the stories supporting an attack was that Iraq's Christian's were solidly demanding an invasion to overthrow the tyrant. If I remember correctly, the source of this info was our much beloved Fox News, whose team of reporters stumbled on a team of Christian missionaries fleeing Iraq in the middle of the Jordanian desert. The Pastor of these South Korean missionaries was able to reveal in dramatic terms, how urgently the Christians demanded immediate American action to relieve them of Islamic oppression.
This struck me as odd, because the Christians were not particular victims of Saddam, who was not religious, and it is unusual for people to want foreign armies to invade their country, so I did some checking.
I'm a bit hazy about the exact details after all this time, but the gist of it was that the Pastor's father was head of some obscure church that had links with the US. So much so, in fact, that daddy had been a guest at the White House and had been given a certificate praising him by George W.
How odd that George's favourite TV station should stumble on the son of one of George's favourite preachers in the middle of the Jordanian desert, only for the TV to be able to exclusively reveal that all the Iraqi Christians love George and want him to invade their country.
Now look where they are ... refugee camps and Germany. Of course, the story that they wanted the invasion was a fiction designed to strengthen the pro-war views of th e religious Right. Presumably it was all orchestrated by the CIA, with Fox's connivance.
I like CNBC for the finacial stuff but rarely get that over here....FOX news is digging their own grave...
Their only hope is limitting Obama to a 4 year term...
Will all depend on how fast the recovery happens...
I liked yesterdays market...back to even again...
You can't teach experience...
would u like me to get some GERMAN news 4 u?
here u go Alex...
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4110465,00.html
“Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.” -Dolores Ibárruri
even Filipinos want the US out of their country...
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=89518§ionid=351020406
“Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.” -Dolores Ibárruri
I noticed the sudden sprout of some 'journalism entertainment' news episodes on that channel since 2-4 years ago.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
that many of our own countries (mine included) have a significant percentage of their populations who know nothing "accurate" about any other country (and a lot of inaccurate things about their own).
Education is the key as an earlier poster said - when people are educated they tend to not follow the herd blindly but to form their own (informed) opinions.
Unfortunately, this doesn't happen often enough. I can't tell you how often my compatriots make silly assumptions about my life here in the Gulf - based on heresay and assumptions - not by actually "looking it up" which is so much easier today with internet access (so long as you use reliable sources). But, as my signature line says ..............
Signature line > "You can't fix stupid"
These are all reasons why I left the USA 27 years ago and will never live there again. If I could defect for good I would but the new tax laws say you have to give up 30% of everything own to the govenment proertyand assets included, and be taxed for the 10 years for everything you earn, and thats after you give them your passport. Have a look at the IRS website and have a look at what the new "change" they came up with.
"StormySeas said Gypsy, someone mentioned ...
Gypsy, someone mentioned that education is the key. I agree with that, but it's not up to Obama to educate the entire world.
Kids in our schools need to be taught how to plow their way through all the information that's available, how to think critically about what they've read or heard. I do believe the American education system addresses this, or tries to anyway, but unfortunately most of the rest of the world does not."
Blimey. Do you? I thought the US educational system up to school-leaver age was largely insular and self-centred, failing to give people much of an idea of the historical, social or geographical context of anything beyond US borders. We outsiders also get the impression that in large areas education is being subverted by people like the head of Oklahoma's higher-education sub-committee who has launched an inquiry into how Richard Dawkins was possibly permitted to speak at the state university. But, of course, that could be because we are suffering from misconceptions.
How much Americans understand about the world matters to all of us, given that the US has by far the most powerful military in the world and not many scruples about using it. How many lives would have been saved if the Fox News viewers had understood that there was no Saddam-Osama nexus and that there was no evidence Iraq was attempting to acquire WMD (and the proof of that was all in the public domain back in 2001 for anyone who cared to look)?
Red Eye is on at 1am in the morning.
It is not news it is unashamedly a satire show and no one takes it seriously if they even watch it at all. It is meant to shock and be silly thats all.
Fox is rubbish for sure.....filled with total bias, fear and ridiculous exaggerations of the liberal 'enemy'. Anyone who watches it and takes it seriously is not someone of much intellect.
Nothing that a president needs to do anything about...if anything....fixing the education system in America will remove the popularity of Fox so will fix the problem.
And let's hope that he does.
Yes but Obama is President, so it's up to him to put funding into schools and create policies to address this.
Gypsy, someone mentioned that education is the key. I agree with that, but it's not up to Obama to educate the entire world.
Kids in our schools need to be taught how to plow their way through all the information that's available, how to think critically about what they've read or heard. I do believe the American education system addresses this, or tries to anyway, but unfortunately most of the rest of the world does not.
Whenever I'm one on one with a so callled hater they love us???
You can't teach experience...
Neither of which is completely true. That pretty much sums up the thread. Perceptions can never be completely changed.
Never forget the things that really do matter...
British would call the average weight of Americans obese,
Americans would call the average drinking of British alcholism!! lol
Let's start talking about CNN now :)
Never forget the things that really do matter...
There is nothing you can do. People all over the world are affected by this type of media reporting.
A study by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) reported that Americans who relied on the Fox News Channel for their coverage of the Iraq war were the most likely to believe misinformation about the war, whatever their political affiliation may be. Those mistaken facts, the study found, increased viewers' support for the war.
As an aside, NewsCorp which owns media interests accross the globe in various guises can and does influence the way most of us percieve things. A simple example of the UK is The Sun newspaper. Like it or not, when it comes to elections, this paper can influence which party takes power.
The answer is for people to read (access) a cross section of channels / sources so as to form a truer picture for themselves. Sadly, this is unlikely.
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
Stormy Seas I'm not sure what the solution is, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas. Like it or not the American media affects the worlds view of America, and channels like Fox create a negative image. What would you suggest the US do?
Thanks for the clarification.. I was thinking of the "Automobile Association"
"Thing is, i really would like to know why it is ALWAYS the US that gets judged so easily on tv programmes and not any other country"
True Alexa. There are stupid people everywhere!
To tell you the truth Gypsy, I'm not real clear on what your point is here. First you said Obama is resposnible for ridding the world of Fox,then you said you're not in favor of silencing, but did you ever say what you ARE proposing? Admittedly, I stepped out and then came back and skimmed, so I might have missed something...
But if not, it kinda seems like you're just wanting to stir something up because the doofuses at Fox mad fun of Canada.
one american asked me where ru from? i said from algeria, he asked where is it located? I said at north of africa. he was looking at me and said: I thought all african were black....
you guys have a wrong impression that we (the non-Americans) hate Americans. Actually we do not. We look at them like any citizens of any country where you find the good, the bad, the crook, the racist,... etc.
Our idea about Americans and consequently our opinion is based mainly on Hollywood productions. With that in mind. Hollywood did ruin the reputation and image of Americans and it rarely reflect the real American society(s).
My experience with Americans was very positive and I find them very nice people (in general) and very friendly. The only negative point about them is that they mainly know America, American Media and American politicians. They are not much exposed to and aware of what happens outside their ZIP code.
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
I was thinking Jerry Springer/Maury Povich, sadly I do know how much of an effect Fox news has in the States. :(
But is ignoring it the right answer? Perhaps there should be a push for a better and more accurate representation in the media? Or perhaps there should be public awareness campaigns to make people realize how their actions effect the world view.
In the case of the Brits maybe more AA meetings would help?
I agree Britexpat.
Fox has incredibly high ratings and is extremely influential.
It is a commerical service that respondes to consumer demands.
If it didn't resonate with its viewers, it wouldn't rate, and it would change. Fox presents news the way it does because that's what its viewers demand and it voices the opinions it does because that's what people like to hear.
How could you argue that the millions of people who chose to watch Fox instead of CNN do so because they disagree with it? Would make the same argument that people watch CNN because they dislike its mostly unbiased reporting?
loud,gobby,brash, always going on about how they are number 1 and they save everybodies ass's during the war.
Much the same as people may see Brits as drunks, always doing drugs,fighting and have loose sex all over the place.
Like has been said, if yer live in a small village in the sticks, yer will think that Britain, america are like that, its what the media want ya to see, in order to sell newspapers or win the ratings war.......
Doesnt mean we are all like that, same as the majority of Muslims are NOT terrorists or suicide bombers.
Just ignore all the critism, thats the best way.
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
I beg to differ. Having worked in the states , I would say that channels like Fox DO influence a certain portion of the population, whilst projecting a negative image abroad.
As in many other countries, many people are influenced by tabloid and gutter press. An example of this is The Sun newspaper in the UK.. Sky News, an affiliate of Fox often carries Fox stories in the UK and Europe.
This class of media does influence and shape people's opinions.
But you don't know what my job is, and if you look that 12K has come from the last 2 and half years, so....
The future is made of the same stuff as the present - Simone Weil.
I can only use the evidence that you have almost 12K posts most of which are made during the day that you spend a lot of company time doing personal things :).
I am just saying. You are a feisty one aren't you?
Never forget the things that really do matter...
than there are educated people watching it. Jerry and the rest of them, we can also see as a joke, heck we have some of those also in SA. Some countries only have TV news channels easily available to the masses as a window to another nations way of life! A good school, books, or internet's not that easy to come by for some people.
The future is made of the same stuff as the present - Simone Weil.
I know and I didn't mean "you" as in "you" either Alexa. Just speaking in general terms, if we don't see things with our own eyes, or know someone from the US, Egypt, Lebanon, etc, then like or not, smart or not, we form opinions based on media.
We are very lucky by the fact that we live in a VERY mulitcultural society, so most of us know Americans who don't fit the sterotypes that Jerry Springer, Maury Povich, Fox News etc portray, or know Egyptians or Pakistanis that don't fit the sterotypes presented by the media and therefore form are own opinions.
But if you're in some small village in India and the only "experience" of America you get is from Jerry Springer, what are you going to think?
Just like the guy in this clip obviously has no experience or real knowledge of the Canadian military and what they are doing in Afghanistan and therefore is basing his opinions on tv and media that, for the most part, refers to us as pacifists.
Aces you may joke, but i have chatted to people in other countries and they thought dynasty dallas = real life in america.
are highly influential to me. I think they provide a great educational service and provide a highly accurate and representational view of America.
However, I could be wrong as I am Norwegian and have never been to America except for three days in 1993.
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about
It says you aren't very educated Alexa, which pretty much counts for 75% of the developing world.
Considering you don't know me Ace I find it funny that you assume you know how I work only based by what you're seeing on QL....Hmmmm, did I just prove my point there?
They should probably withhold some of your paycheck because obviously you spend much more time on QL than doing your job :)
Unless you work nights and this is your off time, then I apologize.
"I do believe they significantly influence the rest of the worlds opinion of the US"
If the rest of the world wants to base any bit of opinion on the US because of JERRY SPRINGER and MAURY POVICH then they are complete idiots. FOX News I can somewhat understand, but to even bring these names up to represent the US in any way is a joke.
Never forget the things that really do matter...
But they do Alexa. Whether they should or they shouldn't, they do. Just as I derive opinions from seeing that it's apprantely funny in Lebanese and Egyptian comedies to slap women.
You can't teach experience...
No I don't think that these things significantly influence Americans, however I do believe they significantly influence the rest of the worlds opinion of the US.
And yes I do have a job.
It's pretty funny that you say Americans are all arrogant. Some are, yes. But, I have to say that I have met many more arrogant people here in Qatar than I ever have in the states.
If you think that Maury Povich and Jerry Springer are significantly influential to the US pattern of thought, you are sadly mistaken. Those people are considered a joke by the majority of the Americans I know. They are on TV for people to laugh at only. Gypsy, do you have a job? Or do you just post your opinions on Qatar Living all day long?
Never forget the things that really do matter...
Ever heard of hubris?
what a bunch of jerks...
like what the other guy said, there are over 50 news channels in the us, and choosing fox? ... .... ...
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call me ONE.
seriously, is like asking the dead to stay away from the light. When Jerry first showed in SA, you secretly would have had wondered about how the average American conduct his/her life. Keep in mind, we were only being introduced to Oprah then for a short time.
The future is made of the same stuff as the present - Simone Weil.
I didn't say silence. I don't believe in silencing freedom of speech. However I think he needs to do whatever he can to change the attitudes of the Americans who create this bad image, or work very hard on ridding the bad image shows like this have created.
I think you can add Dr Phil to that. He appears to be Jerry Springer for people who still have operational brain cells.
Has nobody noticed the exact parallel between the suggestion that Obama should silence Fox to protect America's image and the Qatari/Arab obsession with the media not exposing things that are shameful for their country?
The answer to all our problems - from Fox to Al Qaeda - is education. Educate populations so that people don't live in a little bubble defined geographically by the Bible Belt or the limits of the Tora Bora mountains and intellectually by some mediaeval book, and the world would improve no end.
That's where Bush was so stupid. He thought democracy solved things and it doesn't. Education does. But Bush lives in his own bubbleful of misconceptions, too, so he couldn't see that.
True Tig, but they are less serialized then the others. Fox is a whole channel that you can get here!
Maury Povich and Jerry Springer are still on the air? Lol, shows how much I know!
We've had some so-called leaders throughout the years who have done a fine job of screwing things up with or without the media.
He is a Norwegian just like me. Give us some credit.
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about
No, Fox News, Maury Povich and Jerry Springer are doing it.
What I meant was...No, I don't wonder why people hate Americans. The reasons are many, and some of them are even valid.
What I do wonder is why people think that all Americans subscribe to Fox's views.
But to say that Fox News is singlehandedly ruining our image? Bit of an exaggeration.
I think in this case they were trying to be funny, but....
FAILURE.
the fall out and subsequent apology (HA) from Fox News.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090324/wl_canada_nm/canada_us_foxnews;_ylt=Aimy1A0znX8XF9Dy.LYgVstvaA8F
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
Bin Laden Bunkers....were built by Bin Laden Construction Co under US supervision during the US-Afghan War against Russian war....they used that to store weapons....
Its easy to hypnotise people who addicted to watching "NEWS" 3 times a day......I make it a point to watch it only once a week...am I any less informed?
Roadtester & UkEng....I've not yet seen "the power of nightmares"....maybe soon...
I'm German according to Facebook. :P
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Roadtester yes I have watched the BBC program "the power of nightmares". It was amazing to see in that Program how easily the Neo Con of the US can brain wash a whole country or even the western countries including my own Britain and make every believe in an proven or unseen enemy.. First they claimed that Soviet Union and communist was the biggest Evil of all time. (yet the whole world is now enjoying the financial success of China). Then after that they created a new Enemy called Al Qaeda and associated it with Evil. Amazing how Al Qaeda views and the NeoCon views are similar yet one is seen as the Good doer and the other Evil.. Yet they ideas and view are so similar..
And to conclude.. Fox news can be said to be the mouth piece for Neocon of the US...
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ya....that's why they hate you :S
They hate us because we have freedom of speech, and idiotic news stations like Fox are free to broadcast their views.
Shattering my illusion that it's ok for me to marry my Grandfather...;p
If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died....Chad Kroeger
If I was American I would be very ashamed that my country produced such a crap propaganda service as Fox news. Therefore, I was both pleased and surprised to recently learn that I am in fact Norwegian. Although I did visit Oslo once for three days in 1993 I was not aware at that time that Norway had conferred citizenship upon me.
This information was gleaned from the excellent and highly accurate Facebook quizzes that can provide the answers to most of life's questions and dilemmas. Therefore as a Norwegian I wish to apologize for any offense caused to my Canadian friends by the crap misinformation service known as Fox News.
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about
It's hurting because Lachy has been spending Daddy's money to set up dodgy construction companies in Dubai with his "Bum Chum" Jamie.
If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died....Chad Kroeger
Vegas & hotandsticky, you know and I know who this programming caters too, but the fact of the matter is that it's broadcast internationally, and people who are ignorant of Western culture themselves take programmes like Maury Povich and Jerry Springer as the gospel truth of what Western culture is like. They also take Fox news seriously.
but i think the dislike they have is not for american people, its for the country (can say govt.)
I think there is a realization in some other countries that american people by and large (with exceptions ofcourse) are unaware or have an ignorant view of the world affairs and how american govt. policies affects them.
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Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
Fox News caters to the same mindset of Jerry Springer, Maury Povich and World Wrestling Federation fans.
It is a requirement that you must have an IQ under 80 to watch Fox. If you take Fox seriously and are unable to see how full of SH_T the program really is, give yourself a certificate of ignorance award. Your IQ is severely suffering.
Thier ratings are shrinking and they are loosing money...
And hopefully this Hanity guy will get dropped...
That guy is like the Rush L of TV....
Maybe they will go out of business...
You can't teach experience...
And here's access to our (Canada's) secret plans
&NR=1 (don't tell the Americans)
Signature line > "You can't fix stupid"
you need to help Mis-Cat learn how to play nice....Checking out, not enough constructive dialogue... too bad could have been interesting, I love bashing USA media!
No banning isn't the answer. The American people becoming more media/internationally aware is the answer.
You are right. However, the fact remains that there is a certain cross section of the populace that Fox news caters for.
Banning is not the answer. Perhaps, the media watch dog needs to take appropriate action.
He can't ban it outright no. But he could express his displeasure, which would go a long way. The First Amendment works both ways.
So what? - Canada's Really Big!
Signature line > "You can't fix stupid"
We (Americans) had a bad reputation before this Fox news program aired!
I think it was meant to be funny because some of the commentators are comedians. They failed again.
This "holier that thou" attitude has gotten us in trouble again and again and with deadly consequences.
Will this ever change? I doubt it. It's very sad.
"Obama needs to work on ridding the world of Fox news" .....Dont think he can mess w/the First Amendment to the United States Constitution...
I do Apologize as we didn't want Rupert so we sent him to the states where he found just what he was looking for, a country that by in large couldn't think for it's self ( I don't think this about all Yanks but you have to admit those that yanks that can think for themselves don't actually appear to be living in the country) and was primed to be led by the media.
If everyone cared and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died....Chad Kroeger
There was a good show on bbc called "the power of nightmares' Which showed how successive american governments have used false propoganda to cajole the american people into dodgy wars. they showed clips of FOX news showing an artists impression of 'bin ladens bunker' which looked like something out of a james bond film!!!!!
When you have been the only Big Dog for a while, arrogance and the sense of infalibility creeps in.
Bush and Rumsfeld (including the neocons) probabaly propogated this image more than anyone else by their actions of the past eiight years.
Let us hope that Obama can turn things around.
Well what they said about Canada was not new, Although it was particularly insensitive towards the families of the 116 soliders killed in Afghanistan.
It was the overall arrogance that got me, the "Strongest nation in the Universe" crap. I mean seriously? They wonder why other nations don't like them and why 9/11 happened.
love them, hate them! LOL!
"I do live by the motto that pessimists are usually right, but all the great change in history was done by optimists" -Thomas Friedman
Is it any wonder that most folks think that Americans are all a bunch of moronic assholes? Not when you see the crap that Fox News puts out there...
Fox News caters for a certain "strata" of society. Most of their news is gung ho and jingoistic. Should be taken witha pinch of salt by most.
What was fascinating was not so much the denegration of the Canadian Army, but the snide remarks regarding Canada's dependence on its neighbour for security.
By the way, Fox has apologized for this episode..