Qatar Crime On The Rise

Lusitano, please put a lid on your comments. Novi is very upset and you're not helping her much by publicly embarrassing her with your misguided attempts to help her with your logic. No doubt you mean to give ideas to help the police investigation but your timing is out. Thus, your attempts are more damaging than they are beneficial. You may have IQ but you lack EQ.

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Don't want no drama,

No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama

are for you and your family.

Just some suggestion:

1. If possible, relocate to another more secured residence;

2. Looking at the shattered glass, I would presumed the material used (glass) is very dangerous as placed and used. We don't usually use that kind of glass as sliding door glass. Accidental breakage can cause very serious damage to anybody (maybe even fatal injury/ies).

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

it looks like a pre-meditated crime. Like when nobody's home, and the burglars attacked.

"I do live by the motto that pessimists are usually right, but all the great change in history was done by optimists" -Thomas Friedman

lol... supposedly you "hammer" the glass from the outside, do you think that the debris will be projected back towards the direction of the impact???!!!!

...lol... how can you explain this counter nature trajectory?!

Lusitano I did not want to repeat what tallg had already siad so I guess you have read his earlier comments.

The size of the rock means that you have to very well build to throw the rock right through the window. So just has my good friend tallg has explained and I repeat again that the rock has been used like a hammer to break the glass.

If as you are suggestion it was thrown at the glass (it would have landed closr or inside the patio door) and would definately made a lot of noise which I doubt the burgers wanted.

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HE WHO DARES WINS

That was my theory Alexa (see earlier comments).

But the fact is that the method used to break in is irrelevant to this thread, which was started to raise awareness of this sort of crime but has degenerated into a discussion on the laws of physics.

Novi, I'd like to personally apologise for my part in trivialising what must be a very upsetting event for you.

There are “engineering universal and scientific laws” that define trajectory of material including projected distance and projected direction, making it possible to reconstitute the actual source and intensity of the impact! That’s how forensic studies are conducted!

All I am saying here is that the glass appears to be broken from the inside!

UKEng,

lol... your explanation does not appear to come from an engineer!

lusitano..

As far as the comments on the window are concern I agree with the explanation of tallg which make more sense. The height of the glass window makes it impossible to throw such a large piece of rock right through a window. It is clearly been thrown from the outside and has bounced back or has fallen outwards.

Who knows the rock might not have been there after the impact, but had been moved after the breaking of the glass.

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HE WHO DARES WINS

UKEng,

There are 3 issues here:

1 - Novita's misfortune - We all feel sorry for her and her family and we all appreciate that Novita is sharing this with us, to alert us to always be careful, as Qatar is not the safe heaven pictured (or not) in the media.

2 - The poor journalism in Qatar - We all agree!

3 - Comments on the way the window might have been broken: it is quite obvious that the attacker broke the window from the inside and this info might help the investigation. I don't understand why you can't see that and why saying that can be damaging to anyone!

lusitano yours and Vegas comments are not valid or make sence. Look the reason why one is publising this unfornate event is not for everyone with their theories about if the window was broken from the inside or the outside, but is to highlight the fact that a day light robbery had occured and a considerable anount of valuables had been stolen.

Everyone should not take the security of their houses lightly and do not blindly beleive that you are living in a crime free country just because this kind of crime never makes it to the papers.

Its really amazing that Gulf Times can copy and paste every thing from the UK papers and publish it here on crime... Like robberies and stabbings up in London would definately make the news on Britain, however never will we hear about any burgurly in Qatar?

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Ok guys .. Calm down and lets not hijack reporting of an unfortunate crime to our very own and one of the QL's best known and respected member..

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Sorry to hear about that Novi

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Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.

Nothing of my business, but Vegas is right. There is no doubt that this window was broken from the inside and not necessarily by the big rock shown in the picture.

Does Novita and/or the police acknowledge this?

It may help in the investigation.

If you are concerned about your safety or the safety of your children, look into learning how to protect yourself. I will be starting self defense classes for women and children above 10 at the Ezdan Hotel Health Club. You can contact the Health Club front desk for info. Aikido classes are also in the works if there is an interest shown.

?????..lil' unsalted joke in a such sad thread!

drac!

Look! His head on it's side?

OMG

I did tell Vegas what being stolen from our house when I was at Alexa's house last weekend.

I totally disappointed with Vegas's comments. Nothing else to say.

am so sad to read this. hope no one is hurt.

Yeah, we should have the right to know these facts. Media should always be investigative and does not fear to reveal the truth as responsible journalism that is.

Ok guys lets try to be constructive and advise others to be more vigilante and dont blindly believe this is safe place ..

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You can't teach experience...

try to staaaaaaaaaaay cooooooooool man

whats wrong with you :/

I was being an azz on this I realize that now...

I will not comment further...

And retract anything I said...

It's not my issue and I should have minded my own bizzwax...Sorry for all those I offended...

VEGAS OUT THIS TIME FOR SURE

You can't teach experience...

Oh my, you really have over-stepped the mark there Vegas.

Domestic violence??? What on earth is going on in your head to suggest something like that? That's sick.

I have never threaten anyone on this site...

It just doesn't add up so accept that...

Send me the police report if there is one..

VEGAS OUT

You can't teach experience...

Sorry just reading this, I think it's pretty obvious that they did exactly what tallg suggested, they used that large rock almost like a hammer. It would have been quieter and that way they could break as much of the glass as they needed.

Wow Novi! I'm so sorry to hear about this! That's scarey and I hope you and your family is ok!

You can't teach experience...

Looks like domestic violence...

Or something a young child would do...

Looks like a broken window...

You can't teach experience...

Vegas, a few points in response to the PM you just sent me;

1) I don't think you're a moron. I've met you and you seemed like a nice guy.

2) If you go onto a public forum and make threatening comments towards someone then you shouldn't be surprised when they respond.

3) It's pretty cowardly to threaten someone then not post on the thread any more. You started it on this thread so let's continue it here.

4) To accuse Novi of making the story up is incredibly insensitive and rude. Just because she didn't divulge the details to you doesn't mean it didn't happen. What possible reason would she have to make it up?

5) I'm happy to discuss this further over a coffee or a pint if you would like.

Thats the unfortunate additional risk you take with handing your safety to others, who more often that not are getting paid poorly.

I would find it hard to believe that this was purely opportunist, and that they didn't know you were always out at that time.

I know in bahrain they were complaing that the rupee was getting stronger and there local wage was devaluing, no idea whats happening out here. With this global economic slowdown people are going to be looking for more ways to make money and if the deterrants aren't great enough then crime will go up.

Sorry to hear your break in. U can put Alarm and also advice to put a solar film on the Exposed Glass windows.

I Hope that you have changed your front door cylinder just incase you have not done. Chances are that the old tentant may have given a copy of key to his houseboy etc.

It is simple a screwdriver skill is required for most of locks here.

Yeah Vegas/Cryogenic, I can see why everyone would have a rock like that lying around inside their house.

so we can be on the watch for it. What did the shurta say?

“A lot of the people who keep a gun at home for safety are the same ones who refuse to wear a seat belt”

Not sure what your grits are Vegas but I'm pretty sure I don't want to kiss them. Thanks anyway.

Strange you were told nothing was stolen. I guess we must have spoken to different Novitas.

You really should stop posting late at night.

So sad.

I await your usual abuse...

Novita sorry to hear about your burglary but the police may be able to lift prints off the rock or something in your villa. If I were you I would borrow a big dog and keep in inside for awhile in case they think of returning. You are correct there are more robberies than people realize here. My sister in law was robbed many years ago they came through a window. Also, a friend had been shopping in Dubai came back with all sorts of goodies and the next morning after her return she was robbed. I am sure her maid told someone as she had just returned and the burglar knew the house was empty! Our villa is made of glass so this is frightening. I warn people these days to be more careful, women still leave their purses in shopping carts and walk away. Let us know if the police accomplish anything. I think one of the Arab newspapers has a sister English paper so they should put a section in like Police reports.

I'm the only one with the guts to say it...

There was no point to the post...

cause when I asked her what was stolen....

She said notthing...

Vegas Out...

You can't teach experience...

Novita: very sorry to hear this buddy. pleased to know you and your family are well.

PEACE BE UPON YOU,EL HAmDILLLAH 3A SALEMTIK NOVITA i am really sorry for what happened i will pray that those thieves will be in jail soon do not worry even if police was not able to find them god knows them and he is able to punish them ,i wish every

I'm sorry that I couldn't help more :(

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OMG! :-0 ...

I just read this .. so sorry to hear about the break-in but glad you and family are ok.

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Don't want no drama,

No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama

novi and [names removed by mod], sorry to hear abt what happened. am glad that youfolks are alright, but sad at yr loss, hope they catch the person/s who done it.....

you get what you deserve.........

Sorry to know about what happened and thank God for your safety.

They way people here fix the metal bars is very bad. They can be removed with little effort/trick.

Would recommend to visit Radio Shack showroom and get some cctv cameras to fix around the house.

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Hey Novita - so sorry for this. Glad you and your family are OK.

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Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

someone did break in and stole one's property. Now it's up to the forensic to find out who did it.

Last year, my manager and his family left for a week's vacation and when they came back, ALL of their stuff were gone. the only thing left was the light bulbs. The robbers took everything, including slippers,soap and all. It was reported, they have neighbors and when the police asked around, the neighbors thought my boss was moving out.

I do agree that crimes such as these should be reported by the media...but then again, who would be brave enough to do so :-(

You've assumed the rock was thrown. As I've already explained, it's perfectly feasible that they picked up the rock and just hit the window with it (rather than throwing it at the window) and then tossed the rock on the ground where it is seen in the picture.

Anyway, you're kind of missing the point of the post.

one look at the pic and I felt the glass was smashed from the inside of the house.

a rock as large as that couldnt have landed on the outside after it shattered the glass.

also the bulk of the glass seems strewn outside the frame of the door.

so did the burglars break into the house or did they gain entry through some other way and smash the glass to deliberately mislead the investigation?

You can't teach experience...

Dear Novi & Family

I am really sorry to hear about your loss.

I hope they can recovery your lost item urgently.

I do agree that it is an inside job, someone who know you people and your movement details.

When you drive around Doha you will notice a lot of houses do have iron grills on them, this is a sign that theft does exists even if it is not reported in the newspaper.

Do let us know if we could help in any way

Warm Regards

the inside???

And all the glass is on the outside???

Did they break in another way and just broke the glass for spite???

Just wondering???

You can't teach experience...

So after so many suggestions that crime gets reported so we can become aware and protect ourselves..... why not make a Crime Watch forum in Qatar Living? Victims can detail what kind of crime- house breaking, bag snatching etc... what time of day, location- at least a zone identity. Qatar is probably one of the last safe places in the world -let's try and keep it that way. Crime is busy detroying my home country.

Majnoon - journalists resident here would love to report on issues such as these, simply becuase it's an occurence that affects the local community (nationals and expats alike) in a big way. It affects the way people live here. Unfortuantely it's a moot point, and we can't. It's the usual lame self-censorship - we can't even report on the bachelors getting chucked out of shopping centres, otherwise we get arrested and accused of inciting hatred against Qatar and causing racial hatred (I kid u not, that did actually happen a couple of months back).

I did read the whole thing and I stand by my comment, just look at how many responses there are to an everyday event!

Everyone wants all this stuff in the papers or I guess if it is not in the news it didn't happen. I can see it now on Al Jazeera "QL member's home invaded".

“A lot of the people who keep a gun at home for safety are the same ones who refuse to wear a seat belt”

:( ... and so it begins again ... 12 years ago there were so many of the same cases in the muntazah side villas .. i thought this spree ended then and there! very sorry to hear about this !

shocked reading, novita77...i am sorry to hear the news. hope you havn't lost anything priceless!!

Well i suggest that when you'll change the glass you ask for Laminated glass which will give you a little bit more security.

Novi, how terrible! Indeed we all think it's so safe here. I know from people in compounds that leave the doors unlocked!! I used to complain about the extreme unfriendliness of 'our' guys but now I am happy they do their job...

Hope the three of you are ok and that slowly the anger and sadness of losing your things go away. Take care, and let us know if we can be of any help.

Dear Novita , so sorry to read about what happened , thats a really rubbish thing to happen to anybody. As people have said , stuff can be replaced , some stuff is of purely sentimental value and can never be replaced and of thats some of what has been lost then I really feel for you .

With something like a breakin I am sure you must be having feelings of insecurity now for your safety so please consider some kind of home security devices, bars on the windows are probably the worst and ugliest idea. Also the sense of having your own familly space violated is something you must address and I hope some added security will help you on that issue.

Chin up, ok.

tsk,, tsk,,

its scared me, coz we didn't lock our main door once the gate are closed/locked. if they can break the glass what more to climb over the fences...

another lesson to learn.

I'm sorry to hear about this, Novita. I hope that they weren't able to steal anything of real value to your family.

As you know, I live in an apartment. A few days ago, two men opened my front door, while I was home and the door was unlocked.

I asked, "Can I help you?" They said they needed to see the kichen. I thought it was strange that someone would just open someone's apartment door in the expectation that the resident would allow them to come in. I didn't think much of it until I read your posting, and although I didn't let them in, I now think it could have been much worse.

I know we don't think too much about crime here in Doha. I never thought anyone would break into my house in Bali either, but someone did, in the middle of the night while everyone was sleeping. The police there also were not able to do a thing.

I don't think we can expect too much from local police forces in cases like this.

I was really shocked to hear about it yesterday, Novi!

I hope they will find these criminals and will make out of them a "good" sample to those who ever think about doing the same….

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Novi & Hubby.. Really Sorry to hear what happened. As you guys have mentioned and I would like to add to it. That it is about time people start realising that Qatar is no safer than any other country in the world.

A crime like this would definately make the headlines of my local Gazzette. But here do we ever hear about this no. I think we all need to be remined that we are living in a Society that wants us to believe that there is no crime in this part of the world.

I remember when my wife's purse got stolen in Carrefour the police did nothing. The police guy could hardly speak English. And finally when they caught the culprit they advise us not to pursue the case as it will mean going to court etc and more work for them.

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Novi, I feel bad for what happened to you.

I want to point out something here, the thief or thieves are near you only. This is very well calculated incident. The thieves know exactly when you go out and when you come back. They know your car and some one waited for you to go out and escaped with your valubles minutes before you come back.

Also there is a huge chance of two or more people involved. The thieves know where your valuables are.

There thieves are near your home only....

Think , Think and think...

You will get good clues..

Wish you get your things back..

he must be rich by now.

Aana free, jaana free,

Pakde gaye tho khana free.

I think you would need to look damned hard to find someone who would protest if the police actually caught and punished a criminal!!!

Majnoon - if you read through all the comments you'll see that nearly everyone has said that crime is on the rise here and people need to be more vigilant. No one here thinks they're in a Utopia.

I think anybody that thought they were in Utopia is just a little naive. Considering that the majority of people living here are from somewhere else and they live well below the poverty level it is obvious there is going to be somebody looking for easy pickings. It is impossible to police the whole city. The fact of the matter is that if the police did catch someone and actually punish them everyone would scream about how mean the police are. In KSA there is or was very little crime due to harsh punishments. So it's time to wake up a start paying attention. You can start by being careful and watching over each other. You may also want to watch out how much information you put out in your chat rooms etc. and telling everyone your schedule.

“A lot of the people who keep a gun at home for safety are the same ones who refuse to wear a seat belt”

Novi's hubby, Check PM

Well I hope they catch the b%st$rds, but having read the experiences of others in Qatar I don't have much confidence in the police doing that. I hope they prove me wrong.

normally toughened glass is used for balcony sliding doors.........which will shatter into small peices when broken and is less likely to cause an injury........not to the person who tried to enter!!! but its considered to be safe specially if you have kids in the house.

Aana free, jaana free,

Pakde gaye tho khana free.

tallg ........... your dead right on both counts.

All family are fine, most important thing.

Sentimental stuff is the most missed.

Hey Novi's hubby. I imagine they may also have taken personal items of sentimental value to you and your family. These are always the things that hurt the most in incidents such as this. But of course the most important thing is that you and your family are ok.

jonnypp ............. a bit over the top ...... but the way I feel at the moment:

A BLOODY GOOD IDEA!!!

lamea ........... yes, novi did say something was taken:

"Especially as in our case where as several years of earnings can be gained in 10 minutes work!!"

Might I suggest installing iron bars on all entrances, then plug them into the generator.

The smoldering bodies laid around the building may become a bit of a nuisance but its much harder to break into a house when you're dead!

vegas .......... your query is correct, I think this is the point Novi trying to make, people like glecs (2nd post down) have a false sense of security.

People use to boast yrs ago that living in the gulf you can leave you car open etc, be lax on security in general as crime was not as common as elsewhere.

Now, it is very much different .......... why hide it? people, especially newbies, need to know what measures to take to protect them selves and property.

OK, it's obviously common sense to be careful (as we were), but we are all led to believe we are safer than what we actually are.

no valuables been taken ?

Sorry to hear this sad news ... do let us know if we can be of any kind of help please !

stealth ........ yes we are on a compound, but as anybody who been to our house will tell you, security is non existent.

Several of the villas on the outside perimeter are businesses, pick ups etc in and out all day, so barriers always up.

Also, our villa is also on the perimeter, so access over the wall or front gate is easy.

every_mothers_n ............ the scene in the pic is exactly as it was discovered before police, finger print people or anybody touch anything.

How every thing end up as it is, is speculation.

tallg seems to have a logical explanation, but who knows.

if it is inside a compound then could be an inside job.

I expect it was used to hit the glass, rather than thrown at it. There appears to be glass both inside and outside the door, suggesting it was hit just enough to break it and the glass then fell straight down to the floor, with some pieces falling in and some out. Glass would also have been pushed outside as the thieves exited.

madam one question pls...

was the stone kept there to take picture or it was found there... i mean if it was thrown from outside it will not hit the glass and fall outside.

just curious to know?

Aana free, jaana free,

Pakde gaye tho khana free.

its the problem with English newspapers over here. The Arabic newspapers do report about some of the serious stuffs that happen here which is never covered in the English newspapers.

The recent issue about the judges was reported in Alraya as someone pointed out. Nothing of that sort appeared in the English newspapers - was it an issue of freedom of information?

It is too lame an excuse to hide behind. I dont think there is a different set of rules for the Arabic newspapers printed from here and another for the English ones.

I personally feel newspapers have a duty to report this sort of information, but it seems it's not worth the risk for them to do so.

You can't teach experience...

It doesn't even have to be a full story about each incident. Lots of papers in the US have a crime-watch type of column.

If we could see in black-and-white how many car thefts, robberies, burglaries...not to mention sexual assaults, etc ... actually take place each day or each week, we would see that Qatar isn't really crime-free and perhaps be better equipped to guard our own personal safety.

Could happen...People are becoming desperate in Doha...

Be on your guard...this is only gonna get worse with the bad econocmy...Why they hold people here that have no way of paying their debt is beyound me...Just send them home...

You can't teach experience...

Now journalistgirl has just given a good reason why more crime isn't covered. We're back to the issue of lack of freedom of press and journalists self-censoring because they have no rights here and are scared of the consequences.

I agree with what you say ummjake, apart from this but; "Clearly they can't write a story on every single incident"

A quick scan of Qatar's English newpaper's websites found the following local stories;

- Carrefour's reusable bags

- A rare pink gold watch

- A photography exhibition

- Ahli Bank's weekly draw winners

- A mini marathon

And that's just today. Now I'm not saying that those stories aren't informative and interesting, but if the papers can find the space to cover these somewhat trivial matters then they could sure as hell cover far more of the crime that goes on in Qatar.

Sorry to hear about this happening to you Novita - hope that family are all alright. Actually there have been some reports on crime rising in qatar, but u know unfortunately we can't report everything that goes on becuase we end up getting kicked out of the country if we do (or at least arrested and inciting hatred of Qatar, however that is related to Qatar journalists still haven't quite figured out). The irony of the matter is, some policeman one of my colleagues was interviewing a couple of months back blamed all this robbery entirely on all the foreigners in Qatar... Am i the only one totally unconvinced by this? Is it really just foreigners?

...that there is a difference between printing an article every few months that says "crime is increasing in Doha", and readers seeing a new story (or two or three) EVERY DAY about someone who had their house broken into, or their car vandalized, or been assaulted as they walked home at night.

By not publicizing more specific events as they happen, it IS kind of glossing over the issue. Clearly they can't write a story on every single incident, but the more serious crimes should certainly merit a small snippet in the papers (both the English and Arabic press, I would add, as it seems many things don't get published in both).

I would add, on a personal note, much as cynbob said above, that police and judicial follow-through here could use some serious improvement. A hit and run accident that I was the victim of years ago took almost 2 years to get resolved (have a verdict handed down), and to this day, I still have not seen any of the money that I was awarded by the court from the guilty party, nor to my knowledge was he ever given ANY penalty (fined, points on his license, jail time, etc.) for leaving the scene of the crime nor showing up to any court dates.

It's stuff like this that just adds insult to injury when you're already dealing with a traumatic situation. I hope the police have improved their game and that novita has a better experience than what most report.

What has this got to do with freedom of the press?

The local newspapers have been reporting about the increase in crime on and off.

WIth the rise in population, there has been an increase in crime.

Report this to the local newspaper and see whether they mention anything about it.

Sorry to hear of this. Luckily, noone was hurt. Material objects can be replaced.

Crime is on the rise and we all have to be more vigilant and more savvy regarding these issues.

So sorry to hear that you were a victim as well. I have posted many times about our break-in. After asking the police for a report/update, we were just told, "We are still investigating."

I hope that the police will work harder for your case.

Thank you so much for posting.

Crime is alive and well here in Doha.

It is such a violation of privacy and sense of security.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Thank you for posting this Novi, it's good to publicise these incidents so we make people aware that crime is present in Doha, and apparently on the rise. And thank you for posting it in a rational and sensible manner.

And I reiterate my condolences for what happened.

Novi, I'm sorry to hear about the incident. I is your family hurt or did you lost anything? I agree with others that the culprit might have been watching your movements and is/are aware of your timings. Alternatively is there a possibility of mischivieous kids within your neighbourhood throwing stones around and happen to land in your property? Crime can take place anywhere and any time. Be wary.

this is very sad. You didnt say if anything was taken.

Good nobody got hurt,be more extra careful next time to avoid much worst problems,do all the precautionary measures.

But unfortunately this is becoming the norm here.

Late last year I had a female friend awake to find a man standing above her in her bedroom as she slept. She screamed, he fled, nothing was stolen. But he crept in through a sliding glass window (that didn't have a bar stuck into place to block it from being opened). Later she found that a large rock had been pulled under another window -- apparently the intruder had been watching her.

I also recently heard (from a source I cannot assail) of a young Irish woman, here in Doha, who was recently found weeks after she was abducted and kept captive (and presumably sexually assaulted repeatedly) by a man she knew here.

None of this stuff ever makes the press/news in Doha.

They're too worried about bad publicity. But what they fail to realize is that by informing the public, people can then arm themselves better and take precautions.

Nobody expects Doha to NOT have any crime; that's not resonable. Wejust want a realistic picture of life here. The media and the government need to allow articles about this stuff to be published. When they don't, rumor and gossip become the main source of info for residents, and trust me, the country comes off looking far worse when that happens.

Novita,

Iam sorry to hear that.

Hope nothing except breaking of glass.

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this is just one crime.. good thing that no one was harmed.. i heard even prostitution here is up rise..

I think someone familiar with you and your movements is behind this because he or they knew when no one is in the house.

Thank God that no one was harmed.

Novi, Im so sorry! Is there anything you need?

Mandi

Thank God that no one got hurt!

I already gave you my opinion on who did the crime. Is time for you to start your investigation.

I like that jungle inside your house.

iron grills often times prevents or delays a resident from leaving a burning house .... bullet proofing glasses is a better option .... i think 3M has this kind of product.

a safe is a good option - bolt/glue it to the floor in a wardrobe/cupboard. It might not stop them in the end, but it will surely act as a good deterrent and would be awfully time consuming to remove!

someone/people knew her movements.

The thieves came and went at the time they knew she was doing the school run.

Scary

this is very alarming. i have always thought that qatar is crime-free. whenever i read newspapers, i sometimes see crimes of other countries being published but i havent or not read much about local crimes.

silent "G"