any of QL members knows what is going on??
i just heard this morning that CID is just checking on if somebody is making gathering and praying jesus, worshiping god or else.. they are also checking if any cars have any kind of stuffs related with religions.. if they found any such things they are directly deporting from the country.. is this true.. does any of you have heard about this...
does it help you in anyway to get a clear answer?
OK, so I am trying to get a definative answer.
You said you keep it in the car to protect you, then you said you keep it because there are some ayas and duas to read to keep you safe. YOu said you keep it because you cant remember these ayas and duas, so logically to use them to keep you safe while driving you would have to be reading them right?
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Oh come on, I didnt say to read Qur'an while driving. Ya haram, its a suicide! loool
Yes, I think ayatul kursi will do, also ya'sin is good to memorize.
So Apple, dont you think that reading while you drive to protect yourself is a bit of a contradiction? You dont need to memorize them all, there are specific ayas and duas as you said, and if memory serves me correctly, you recite the Ayat al Kursi for safe travel.
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That's the problem, I couldn't memorize all:(( *sigh*
Reading them yes, but just merely hanging them in your car will not protect you and it surely wont protect you if you are reading while you are driving. If the ayas and dua are memorized what is the requirement to display your Quran?
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I was serious to answer you too.
I am putting a small Qur'an in my car because of its content. In my belief some aya's and doa'a in it will able to help me shoo away shaytan and be safe travelling. Do u mean I shouldn't believe it or does it makes me shirk? Kindly enlightened me? Tnx:)
Apple I was asking a question out of geniuine curiosity.
Predomintatly in Islam, arent 'talismans' shirk? The Quran itself will never protect you as an object, why do people feel that it will?
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because there are factors that makes me skeptical of the people convincing me. I'd rather more likely to be convinced on the testimony of one person's life.That is practicing your faith in your daily life. For me by just reading the bible literally, doesn't make me see God. But I can see & feel God through people, ordinary people. I think that's the real essence of being christian or being one that believes there is only ONE GOD, ONE CREATOR.He maybe called in many names depends on which part of the universe we are, but I guess HE is still the ONE.
I'm not sure with others, but if you ask me as a Muslim?....sure I can relate with you guys. I still feel its very injustice to deport anyone due to religious belief unless he/she tried to convert any Muslim in that country coz just like Ngourly said, he/she will put someone's lives at risk by doing that.
Though, personally I have no problem w/ someone preaching and trying to convert me coz I have my own faith which is strong in I believe. So long the person who preaches me wont stop me from practicing my own belief, then I'm cool with that.
christians can relate to this issue. Non-christians made fun of the situation. But speaking of faith, it is a serious matter actually. If deported, you are sacrificing your job and your family as well because of faith.
ahh hmmm wait... let me check Mr. Webster;)
Your comment is not for me, apologies for this.
But I think its just like hanging a small Qur'an or a "mishba" in our car, we felt protected. Its part of their belief.
Apple.. hijack?!!! what does that mean?? :) :) :)
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So will the stores be punished for promoting Christmas ? The hotels for offering Christmas day lunch on the 25th ? Families putting up Christmas trees ?
I am curious Smoke.... how does displaying a cross in your car protect you?
Many Christians (arabs included) wear crucifixes on their necks and they are sold in the souq along with Saint medals etc. I think hanging a rosary in your car should be ok, but I dont get why you would want to. If this is a powerful religious symbol wouldnt you want to treat it with a bit more respect? This goes for all symbols of faith, not just Christian (no biase intended).
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guess i'm lucky cos i'm an atheist....
"The grass is always greener...over the Septic Tank"
Are u familiar with the sayings:
"The more you hate, the more you love" :))))
yuck i still hate apple i wish the police can ban the import of apples from abroad too :?
You people are hijacking the thread! its forbidden you are in a religious thread maaaan :P
where is Arien? yuuuhooo where are u dude?
good post nourglay
evangelicals can be so aggressive exercising their beliefs...
its an Islamic country.... and I respect that and have no issues..
oh they just tickled, thats all.
:P
they werent as bad as all the sand fleas you were covered in !!
tra la la
laughing watching you getting scared of those lil crabs crawling on your feet
As i remember Da, i had to drive YOUR car back because you were crying to hard!!
Everytime I see those pics I start crying...from laughter :D
tra la la
Holly crapoli... it's my friend Jack... Hi-Jack!!!!
you were the one who chickened out scared at midnight from high tides.
oh Da, you were such a chicken scaredy cat!!!
tra la la
that was the worst ride i ever had at midnight in dunes :/
Yeh right Da... you wish!!! :-P
no it was lucy pinder :D
Darude... was it the Dec issue of KSA as the centrefold? lmao!!!
Da, dont you mean your playgirl???
i saw it there last time you gave me a ride :D
tra la la
To take off the playboy pic which was stuck on my trunk :/
All of you who have taken part in this "religious" discussion are gonna be checked upon by QL CID... DA, where the hell are you?
WEll said.. If they have tried converions, They deserve it.
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Absolutely true ngourly!
i agree with u ngourlay .
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Well said ngourlay.
Like I said earlier, I heard that both Christians and Hindus had been deported, and that the reason given was that they were trying to convert others.
I think everyone knows that non-muslim, monotheistic religion is tolerated in Qatar, but within boundaries. For example, the churches have been told they may not erect crosses. It seems obvious that if the churches aren't allowed to display crosses, then it's probably forbidden to display crosses, fishes or any other christian symbols on your car.
I think most people also know that trying to convert people is a BIG problem here. Apostasy for a muslim carries a death penalty, and encouraging a muslim to convert to another religion is both cruel and stupid.
If a person makes a complaint to the police about religious activity it will probably be investigated. To avoid trouble, don't carry religious literature around with you. Don't engage people in a conversation about your God unless you know they share the same faith. Don't discuss someone else's God unless you know your audience won't be offended.
For Christians, especially evangelical ones, spreading the good news is part of their religious practice. That practice places people on a collision course with the local authorities. Some people will take the risks on board, and continue to proselytize, but they have no reason to complain when they get kicked out of the country. It is unreasonable to sympathize with those who have been punished for proselytizing, when their activities are risking the lives of those they seek to convert.
Wonder if that has anything to do with whats happening????
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
Apple.. :) discussin u??.I will start a thread on that soon..lol
You were talkin on jesus and his beard :) ..Thread s very important and things are worse than we expected,Many are unaware this is happening.
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I commend you for your stand.
How much do you want for the car??
Even if this crap is true i'd rather be deported for having a cross in my car to protect me than live in fear of getting caught for my beliefs ;)
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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lots of comments from various frens.. but guys and gals.. this is true as lots of frens describe here also.. i also came to know from my frens that some of the QP senior staffs are also been deported.. so be careful...
You can't teach experience...
by born again christians, they also get called Cell groups, because the idea is to meet, worship and read about the word of God, and meet with other believers.
They are part of most Christian churches.
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
visit www.qaws.org
alot of these gatherings goin on in Qatar. Does it mean they have to be careful from the CID to get deported too?
P/S Arien, its YOU who's hijacking the thread my dear, were talking about religious gatherings in Qatar, but you are talking about me:))) lol!
Apple u r hijacking the thread.. the discussion is not what u are trying to explain.
pls check the thread header
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Jehovah Witness are different from Born Again Christians, the latter do believe in Jesus. But they dont believe with popes, and the saints, and they dont believe in such kind of stone image of virgin mary or any saints, they dont even believe that Jesus was the one in the picture with long beard and to my surprise they dont believe in Christmas day was the birth of Jesus? At least that's what I learnt meantime:))
Jehovah Witness? am not sure, never attended yet to any of their gatherings....
u meant vijay ?
Xena: I guess this is not about churches but more about prayer & meditation gatherings done by people of other faiths.
Church is built .. and you are allowed to pray and worship there.. that doesnt mean group of people can gather and pray at private residences.
Tomrw people will start processions too on the roads?? come on..
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Apple, where I come from, bible study is performed by a group of people who study the bible literally as written, it has nothing to do with Christianity, we call "Jehovah witnesses", they use the old testimony, don't think that by attending that meeting, you will have an idea about Christianity, it’s a sect, not a religion. They meet to read the bible, and explain it without going into spirituality and stuff... Their main objective is to attract you, they do not believe in Jesus as we Christians do.
Anyhow, I believe I went into too much details, it’s up to you to accept them or not. Also, people are free in their believes, I don't consider that we should express it through gadgets, or crosses, or ... Just pray, and believe.
If you allow a church to be built in Qatar, then you pretty much have to assume that people are going to worship in it.... regardless of what the mullas say.... the Emir allowed it....
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
visit www.qaws.org
He probably does, gypsy, like everybody here does, too. But laws of physic also apply to him like to anything in the universe. So, be careful.
Are you implying my Jesus doesn't love me MD?
You should do that anyways, gypsy. It might turn into a bullet in a crash!
Does this mean I have to take my neon Jesus off my dashboard?
MagicDragon - "I will try to convert you to a normal person."
Even my mother gave up that long time ago :)
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
Heard people who are being deported for having prayer/meditation meetings. Well, Qatar has not exactly promised anyone freedom of worship, as far as I know...
So you wanna stay here? Chuck ur religion( except those 'allowed' by the authorities)
I got ur point there sweet:) I was referring also to the orig poster. I mean, it makes sense to deport people if they tried to convert Muslims in a Muslim country if that's part of their Laws, but if its just worshipping at home just like what have been asked by draj, why CID have to deport them? There are lots of perverts and crzy people which deserve to be....and not those innocent hardworking whom the only thing (if they call it mistake) been done is to believe in their beliefs practicing at home?:(((
I was also giving an example in my case where some friends was trying to invite me for a Bible study though not exactly to convert me....accepting their invitation is just out of respect.
Religious, political, social. Wait until I meet you. I will try to convert you to a normal person. Is it allowed?
MD - I said religeous and political gatherings not social gatherings :)
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Well proselytizing (attempting to convert others) is a bit different to just praying to God, so I'm not surprised if people are being deported for that. You'd have to be a bit stupid to do it in a Muslim country.
Do we have a licence for the Dhow trip, charan. OMG!
Gatherings of 5 or more for religeous and political reasons without a licence is illegal I heard.
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converting, not for worshipping in your own home.
Thats what Nourglay was meaning, the people were trying to convert others... it wasn't for worshipping...
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
visit www.qaws.org
Maybe in such a case they will deport people, but if someone just practice their own religion in their own home/privacy, why to deport? they cannot expect to hired all Muslims?
Like in my case, there are some born again friends who tried to invite me for a so called Bible studies. I told them i'm cool with that coz it doesn't cause me any harm and I'd like to understand their beliefs. But next time I'm inviting them in my religion too to understand mine. Why can't we just live and let live?
"fishers of men" ie, go out and spread the word and convert people. There have been many cases where Christians have tried converting muslims in muslim countries. Even during the Soviet Union's time it was illigal and people were jailed trying to smuggle bibles into Russia.
Even with strong faith, its a bit dangerous trying to convert people in a muslim country.
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
visit www.qaws.org
Most of my Qatari friends go to "churches". There they have parties with alcohol and whores from Bahrain and Marocco. Funny that they call these guesthouses "churches".
This is true.. and the number is shocking ..
I heard its around 200 in past two weeks.
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who care whom u worship inside your home? but in the car....hmmm i dont know!
anyways, i really doubt its for real? lets hope its not.
they were granted permission to build a church in the Qatar but still, some Muslim intellectuals (according to an article) are opposed to the new church. That is why you can't see a cross or a bell raised above the structure. So why publicly display Rosaries and religious stuff on your cars?
cheers,
paul
I've heard from a reliable source that there have been recent deportations of both Christians and Hindus. The reason was proselytizing.
2 more churches are being built in the same visinity.
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As tall says, they allowed a church to be built, I don't think they would now throw people out for worshipping in it....
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
visit www.qaws.org
Seems unlikely, as Qatar allowed a church to be built here.
Well, he was a Hindu..And as u knw there are no temples in doha..he used to have weekly prayers at his place with his family frenz and relatives...
Deported for what, Shining Star?
YES!!! This is abs true...
There are several families who are deported already. And these guys are just given a time period of 2-3 weeks to leave the country.
One of my frens's dad, who was working with QP for the past 30 years is one of them.
Its very sad to knw such things happen in Qatar. Non-muslims... please b careful.. and God Bless U All...
guys NOOO! there is nothing to be aware of :S.. this guy who posted the thread is not even sure if its happening for real! and i guarantee u all that its ok to practice ur religion no matter what ur religion is.. its part of the islamic rules that no one has the right to force u to believe in something u dont want to believe in and every single human being has the right to choose his/her own religion :) no need to make a big fuss about it!
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football is the new religion...i will take down my footie scarf NOW...thanks
So... do you think I should get rid of my spring-mounted, glow in the dark, bobble-head Jesus dashboard figurine?
Just in case.
Ohhhh, ok so next time I see a religious gathering in the City Centre.....I'll think Uh-Oh....
Saudi is an exception :) Anyway in saudi no one stoping you to worship your god in your home!
Maybe they just want that things will be done in the respective places, proper place, like a church
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really ulas.gurel.....how come Saudi does then??
mmmmm I did wonder britexpat.....maybe 'churches to go 'should warned.....
There is no such a thing happening in Qatar… because Qatar is an Islamic country and in Islam its forbidden to block access of people for praying or worshiping there God regardless there religion…
Yes.. Apparently, Churches on wheels are not allowed..
What, like a church?
coz they will fly u away
for any suspicion
thats absolutely absurd!!!
I can understand, if such gatherings are held without permission (required here), but checking cars such effects is absolute nonsense!!!
be carefull
hmmm.. and why would they do something like that ?? for fun ?:S
and by-the-way .. this doesnt make any sense at all!--> "making gathering and praying jesus, worshiping god or else.. they are also checking if any cars have any kind of stuffs related with religions.."
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