Displays of public affection

people esp. expats should follow the rules here and respect their cultures. PDA like kissing as per the topic in public place is a NO NO whether u are married or not. Be discreet guys!

I am a muslim woman married to a christian. I will stay muslim forever, my husband neither won't change his religion. Our marriage is recongized and accepted by both countries (his and mine), we never had problems with it, except not being able to make relegious marriage in the church by my husband's traditions, because the priest required me to baptize myself which can't be accepted by me and my husband. I had never heard about problems you are talking here about and never faced one, moreover, such marriages in my country are usual thing. So, it's not up to religion belonging only but to country traditions as well. Maybe this kind of problem is topical in strict muslim countries, but in my home country we are completely free, we are not limited by any rules. That's why we are totally different from other muslims and i suspect that because of this we are not recognized as muslims by those countries. There are a lot of muslim but none-arabic countries which are completely free, liberal and loyal (Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Kyrghyzstan, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, and even Turkey) so it's not only about "Islam rule" as it was said before, but also about country rules and its points of views.

Britexpat, I agree with you. Whether or not we accept/are in favour of/agree with the cultural conventions of a particular country is irrelevant. It is not our place to openly flaunt those conventions when in that country. To do so is arrogant and disrespectful.

'Up there for thinking....down there for dancing.'

pathetic.

but should definitely not be the reason to "revert" or "convert" to another religion!

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

Ok Amoud, I respect your comments and accepting the Sheikh's words thus withdrawing my previous post.

Platao, (and other readers) pls ignore my previous comment.

Nice... you cant say that to him. I said this once and was promptly corrected by a very prominant Sheikh here in Qatar. He told me "Allah brings people to Islam in many different ways, who are you to judge which way is proper and which way is not as any conversion is the work of Allah".

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Platao, don't convert to islam for marrying a girl. If you wish to convert, learn well about islam and if you feel comfortable, then only convert. Otherwise, this will ruine your whole life. I have been seeing your comments about islam on QL several occassions that clearly gives an idea about you as you are not able to agree with any of the teachings of islam.

Thats true, you cant marry till after the conversion.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Well, i was talking to my bride about this and she said that no islamic court will marry you unless you already converted

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Only a sports Convertible should marry a muslim girl.

Xyned: How does it work ? If i marry a muslim girl, will an Islamic court marry us if i say that i will convert? How long after it do i need to convert?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

According to research....

marrying a non-muslim is ok as long as there is a commitment to convert or something to that effect. Homos according to sharia will be stoned to death . Which is in a way good. Like man-slaughter which is punishable by death. The person gets instant repentance if he pleads-guilty.

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I am loving it. Its gonna leave them scarred. Public affection in corniche the last time I have visited. eeew..

Married or not. Qatar has been reeling in too many expats too fast.. They seem to disregard local law of conduct. Some might argue they were ignorant. Then again, if they are from asian background (yeah right...including middle eastern, egypt or even turkish ) they should be wary of local laws-of-conduct

Amoud: Thanks for your clarification :)

I also think they "were exceptional men and an example to us all but they were just that.. men", i would use human instead of men, just to prevent being called machist :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Platao, all the Prophets (PBUT) were exceptional men and an example to us all but they were just that.. men; they made mistakes, were subject to temptation, loved, laughed and cried just like the rest of us.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

adam & eve = fairy tale

personally, i don't believe in them....

"The grass is always greener...over the Septic Tank"

Yes, but aren't prophets supposed not to fall in temptation? Aren't they supposed to be better than you or me or any other mortal? What i mean is, shouldn't they be an example for us all?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Briefly, in Christianity it was Eve eating the apple that brought about the original sin. I cant imagine that the sin of mankind in on women and we birth children who are born with sin. Giving birth is to be a womans punishment also.

In Islam, all children are born pure, and childbirth is not punishment for women but rather our gateway into heaven. Women are greatly commended in Islam, and heaven is at the feet of a mother.

From my knowledge Adam and Eve were equals, and both could be equally tempted. The Quran says that Satan tempted them both and they both ate from the tree but they paid their own justice, and were accountable alone.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

yes...

arabs are mostly homos!

"The grass is always greener...over the Septic Tank"

Amoud: wb :) Can you explain me how Islam sees Adam/Eve story?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Platao Islam does not have the concept of "original sin". Islam places the blame for sins on the doers and no one else can be punished for others sins.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Nice too Nice: Only God knows if he was readmitted at paradise, but calling profet to someone that made a mistake and ended up by making all humans to be punished doesn't seam a great prophet. Please note that this is just my opinion and not an attack to anyone's faith, thks understanding :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Platao, The first Prophet sent to earth is Adam (AS). There is no doubt about that for muslim. He was the first man created by Almighty and was the first Prophet sent to the mankind. He was expelled from heaven along with Hawa(you call Eve) for dis obeying Almighty's teachings. I don't know whether he allowed to enter back to heaven or not(Almighty only knows well).

Amoud: lol, sorry :)

Bleu: Have you tried to ask a scholar a question and he replies to you that's the correct way because it's written on the revelation book, in this case, Qur'an. I prefer to ask to the common beliver that loves God with his heart and keeps their reasoning.

Nice too Nice: Who was the 1st profet in Islam? Someone told me it was Adam, but i find it difficult to belive that, after all, he and Eve were expelled by God from Paradise and never allowed to go back.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Platao, True path is the path shown to the mankind from First Prophet(AS) through Last Prophet (SAW). For me the path of Isa(AS)(You call him Jesus) is also True path. As a Muslim, I believe all of the Prophets from Almighty and believe that the path shown by them are all true one.

When I say am following true path, It doesn't mean that the others are in wrong path. Every individual can evaluate their own beleif and find out by referring to the Teaching.

I just have a few comments, and they're in a long list : sorry :)

Let's not discuss Islam here, this is a topic about a marriage that was not approved in Qatar because it's not allowed in Islam (a muslim woman married to a non-muslim).

This issue is very similar to a muslim with more than one wife who goes to live in the US, they would only recognize ONE wife.

Nobody should judge the law of the land, you need to accommodate to it. It's a fact of life.

The Quran only available is in Arabic, I'm sure you'll be able to find many flaws in the English translations. Even in the Arabic Quran you need to fully understand any ayah (probably by reading many tafseer) before even trying to explain it.

Any discussion about religion digresses to a futile attempt to convert one-another, it's not going to happen. We all have convictions, and those who are doubtful will seek the knowledge themselves.

Platao is confusing me. If you are seeking knowledge about Islam, ask the scholars (not QL); If you're just faking it because you want to marry a muslim woman that's your choice, but there's no need for some of what many of use see as Islam-bashing.

Sorry again about the long post.

Heheh... Platao I am a gal not a guy :)

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Lusitano: I agree with you, Amoud is a great guy and there are also other nice guys here that are muslim too and they have showed that it's possible to keep a constructive discussion without people start to insult each others, even if subject is religion :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Amoud (thank you) has shown (in such a simple and easy manner) the tolerant and attractive side of Islam!

If we (non Muslims) saw that more often, I believe that the misconceptions about Islam would greatly diminish!

Amoud - "..muslim women not being allowed to marry non-muslim men is very true..."

But the other way round is ok. Protection of women again? Since they are "weaker and don't know any better" whereas if Muslim men marry non-muslims, the woman follows the husband as he is head of the home?

/Note the inverted commas. For defenders of womens' rights, etc. pls don't get your knickers in a twist. This is an honest question.

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Don't want no drama,

No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama

Meaningfull: There's no confusion on it, i'm leurning about Islam, but some doubts raise when i'm asked not to be racional and not questioning my doubts, having a different opinion doesn't mean that i'm attacking anyone's belief and that's something that people should understand.

Nice to nice: "What is trueth? Is my trueth same as yours?" - in Jesus Christ Superstar (The Trial).

I do belive that Amoun means that when you say you are in the correct path, you attack other people ideas and give a negative impression regarding Islam.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

The introduction of islam to the people is done gradually but not by hiding the truth to get them pleased. I am not looking for a congratulation or agreement from those who continuously bash islam even though the they are aware about the truth.

To be a real muslim you have to learn the fundamental of Islam. As you learn the Mathematics, the Science, Islam also to be understood from very fundamental. Then only your belief will be strong enough. The mind that having some prejudice against islam and its fundamentals will think about islam in wrong way even you introduce islam to them in a very moderate way to please them.

I don't understand good da'awah and not good da'awah. I know only one Da'awah which to call the human being towards the true path.

Heres the kicker Nice... I am Muslim also, and just because you feel you are giving Dawah here, not all dawah is good dawah. What you are doing is twisting their perception of Islam into a zero tolerance fundamental religion that sees all non-muslims as infidels and wrong-doers.

In the time of the Prophet (PBUH) did he not introduce Islam gradually to his followers?

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Amoud, as a muslim, I have to distinguish the true path and the wrong one. I do not bash any one's belief or religion until now. I only said that the muslim take different path other than the one taught to him, then he becomes a non-muslim. I never forced any one to follow the teaching of islam, but i will not stay away from saying the truth to get appreciation from those who always bash islam and muslim. I don't care them at all.

Thanks Tallg... There was a post about am I Christian or Muslim. I thought the post was alright to show the similarities between the faiths but wow, the author went seriously too far and ruined the whole thing.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Well said Amoud.

And for your information - I was definitely not a Muslim at birth.

Nice... was better to leave out the 'true path' part. You are not dealing with muslims here... this is the point I have been trying to get across. You cant tell a non-muslim that they are on the 'wrong path'. It is insulting and in no way will it get them to be courteous when it comes to Islam. Try a more moderate approach.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

platao..i dont really understand you, sometimes you are good about Islam and you are saying you are learning about islam, and sometimes you are bashing about Islam , i think you are not sure what you want and who you are. people like you called ALMONAFIQUN ask your morocon gf will tell you who are MONAFIQUN and for your information we dont wellcome MONAFIQUN to enter Islam. by the way if this girl really knows or read the way you bash Islam and she still want you then as i said she wants to come to europe to find a better duniya life not akhera life, but if you are hiding the truth that you are big enemy of Islam in front of her then poor her...she will endup marrying someone who is big enemy to muslims. call me racist or anything but why would someone stick to a girl/guy who he/she cannot marry? or if married it is against her/his religion?? love has no eyes?...love has eyes,ears and everything, use brain before using ur emotions thats how muslims do.

I dont live with example..Rather I prefer to be an example!

Platao, I did not find any reply about my comment on your "out of context" quotings from The Holy Book. It cleared my doubt about your intention. You just wanted to bash islam.

rahsoft, I agree with the Imams saying with a small addtion as Amoud said. All are muslms when they got birth on this earth, then they take different path thus goes out from the true path. That is why Islam doesn't allow Muslim girl to marry a non muslim...

Amoud: "You know if we could discuss things like this all the time I think there wouldnt be so much conflict.... I rather like this.... civilized :)"

Couldn't agree with you more :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

they are hot

Unfortunalty the realty here rahsoft can seem like an alternate universe but it is what it is. Amounst friends we joke that Qatar is like the Matrix, but in all actuality it can feel like that sometimes.

Qatar is governed by Sharia law as it is an Islamic country, much like the rest of the GCC but there are some civil laws here as well. While they are trying their darndest to keep both in harmony no governmental system is one pure sect. The west for example is a democracy, but it is not only that, it is a capitalist democracy.

"Muslim" literally means "one who surrenders to God". I dont want a religious rant here but just to clear it up (I promise I wont cut and paste ;)) that The Prophet (PBUH) said all children are born muslim, it is the parent who make him Jew, Christian..." This is a recognition of other religions and recognition that all people do not stay muslim, hence not making nice to nice's comment redundant.

You know if we could discuss things like this all the time I think there wouldnt be so much conflict.... I rather like this.... civilized :) Thanks rahsoft

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Amoud

Same with the 'all people are Muslim they just don’t know it yet' part, it is that all people are 'born' Muslim.

.. I already know this, that why I pointed it out. That is why the whole issue who can marry who is irrelevant. I was agreeing with the Imams!

this debate is ridiculous because it descended into a religious issue rather than law.

The law of the land was about indecency in public, not whether the marriage is acceptable to Qatar, which by way means that Qatari marital status in turn cannot be recognised in the country that these people come from. it works both ways, and I suspect that someone in authority looks rather foolish for letting this occur. Its very easy for everyone to condemn this couple when we all(locals as well) know that we were not there and that there is no fair enforcement of the law here.

Respect of the law of the land can only come about when the people of the land themselves respect the very law they demand and not cherry pick whichever suits them. They should lead by example, which is no more than I expect of myself in my own country.

The day I see locals respecting the smoking law (itself a very simple act) and stop disrespecting the Emir who issued this law, will be the day I can truly believe in respect of the law of the land.

as much as I believe you are trying to do the right thing Amoud and i do appreciate that, I believe (like most people here) in the reality.

Peace Out

Actually Rah gender plays a very big role in this and what nice is saying about muslim women not being allowed to marry non-muslim men is very true. Same with the 'all people are muslim they just dont know it yet' part, it is that all people are 'born' Muslim.

I am not giving you a 'one-up' lecture here but fact is, this is the law of the land and we should at least respect and not ridicule it as it is taken very seriously.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Any brits out there remember spitting image?

The Protestants Vs Catholics sketch singing that song

“my god is bigger than your god” lol

nice to nice

I will quote you something that has been reiterated by every imam I have met.

That a fundamental tenet of Islam is the view that everybody in the world is a Muslim, they just don’t know it. So the whole issue of Muslim women marrying non Muslim men is irrelevant.

BTW – that statement is not even true. It is a Muslim cannot marry a non Muslim, the gender does not even come into it.

I bet the big guy up there is looking through his life XP pro manual ( translated from Japanese to Arabic) for the undo button.

Peace out

i was newly wed when i came to qatar few years ago my husband wanted to hold my hands always and i thought it was not accepted here so i didn''t allow him but then everytime we saw a qatari couple holding hands he would comment oh can you see then i ended up letting him do so especially when i was pregnant and almost slipped two times so it was a form of protection too ,i guess no problem with holding hands and he did kiss me at the airport when i was traveling and he was staying in doha and it was in front of the lpolice at the airport so i guess it depends on how you are kissing too and why

jacki

OK for final clarification, regardless of marital status, which of the following acts of affection between a man and woman IS permissible in public?

1. Holding hands.

2. Putting arm around the other.

3. Hugging.

4. Kissing.

Also if you are in the same car as someone of the opposite sex could you be stopped and questioned by police about your relationship to that person?

T4DEWK4 you were not supposed to use your native language here since you're in the main forum.. refrain from doing that will yah??

T4DEWK4: ????

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Samael: Lol, no one is angry, we are just discussing this on a civilized way, :), thanks anyway for the concern ;)

I know, not in the cornich :D, i'll look a suitable place, but only if it's a girl who i'm talking too, j/k ;)

Amoud: Thanks for your understanding and tolerance towards my comments :)

Adam a profet? That's a surprise to me, where is it posted in Qur'am?

I started to read it a few weeks ago and didn't saw any reference to Adam being a profet.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

maghanap din kau ng kahalikan nyo....malisyoso.sus!

mas ma L pa nga sila kaysa sa atin :D

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

wala lang poh:D

...did I not predict that or what?

Again nice... you are missing the point. The point was the cut-paste Islamic lectures and the religious one-up-manship.

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

You can post whatever you want unless the admin or moderators don't want it on the site. Unfortunately they're not following up on what Qatari posted in the link I included above.

Amoud, Tallg, to my understanding this is a public forum where I can post something which is not against to Qatari law and culture. I am not trying here to make any one to follow my faith. I am not agreeing the one who try to bash my religion when and where he get a chance, that i won't leave like that. I never compelled any one to follow my faith, but I have the right to say that what I believe is right as far as I concerned. If you don't like the answers/post don't read it. You have full freedom to choose what you want...

Amoud, I never expected that every one in this forum will accept my views.

...just before it starts, I understand you can all post whatever you like, and it is a free forum etc.

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Tallg, agree 100%.

Nice, as stated, this is not an Islamic site so you should expect that not everyone is going to share your views.

If you want people who practise and believe in your faith perhaps an Islamic forum would be a better option for you.

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

SAMAEL, I cannot sit without response when some one bash on my belief. He can bring anything up, but it should be in complete, not the way he did in his post-half eaten. You are welcome to have healthy debate. I am not going to bash any of the religion in this universe. I will be there to clear doubts about my religion. That is my responsibility and right. If you like read it else ignore.

lol! Well said SAMAEL. I like learning about religion, but I'm not a fan of people posting cut'n'pasted religious teachings or playing religious one-up-man-ship. That's not what QL is for.

I found this post the other day; http://www.qatarliving.com/blog/%5Buser-raw%5D/religious-evangelists-please-find-another-website

Perhaps QL should start enforcing it.

hehe Samael... not on the corniche... touche.

To understand what is happening here you have to understand the enigma that is Plato.... with his muslim gf and all. We are not religion bashing, trust me, we are enlightening him. Prepping him fro marriage if you will ;)

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Samael (4:95)

"and Samael Say'th to thee of QL, that all who wash their religion in public with attempted proof using scripture should at once stop. Kiss and make up.

For it has been written and so it shall be typed"

Seriously though, debate is one thing, but you gotta be careful when you start the my religion is better than yours. It is a Qatar Community Forum, granted. But at the same time is an international Forum where people from all different race, colours and creed can put stuff like that aside.

I just think that religion should be a personal thing, and not paraded around throwing quotes from books at eachother, you are all brothers and sisters of mankind, like it or not.

So kiss and make up

BUT NOT ON THE CORNICHE It's illegal

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What you quoted has nothing to do with the time before Moses.. thats the error in this. In Islam Adam is a prophet, I think he came before Moses :)

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Platao, very interesting. I am not surprised the way you quoted the Verses from The Holy Qur'an. Shall I answer one by one to you.

Ok start with the Verse of The Sura Al Baqara,

Verse 13.

The whole Verse is as below:

And when it is said to them(Hypocrites): "Believe as the people(followers of Muhammad(SAW): the Ansar and Muhajir of Madina) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.

Please open your eyes and try to understand what you read. It is very clear. About whom the verse speaks. If you read something out of context, you will get the wrong.

I found almost all the quoting from The Holy Qur'an by you in your reply is out of context.

If you want me to come with each verse, I will do....

Amoud: Wanna tell me what prots there were before Moses?

I would thank if you pointed me out where i maybe wrong? I don't owe the trueth and i'm always leurning :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Plato, you are confused... I could point out a whole hootenanny of things wrong with this post... but I will pick just one....

"(2:61)

"Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon them."

Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's

revelations.(But what prophets and revelations were there before Moses?)"

Even someone who isnt a religious person could drain pasta on this one....

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Nice to Nice: I do have those proofs you ask me, just haven't posted them because i have some good muslim friends and didn't wanted to do it, but once you ask, i'll show you several.

Cow

(2:13) "Shall we believe as the foolish believe?"

According to the Quran, the answer is, yes. To be

truly wise you must believe whatever the foolish believe.

(2:20) "If Allah willed, He could destroy their hearing and their sight. Lo!

Allah is able to do all things."

Did Allah destroy the hearing and sight of nonbelievers?

(2:23)

"And if ye are in doubt ... then produce a surah of the like thereof."

If you doubt that the truth of the Quran, then try making some stuff up and see how it compares.

(2:31) "And He taught Adam all the names."

Allah taught Adam all the names of the plants and animals, which must have taken

a while since there are 1.7 million species that are known today, with probably

another 10 million or so that are yet to be discovered. And this only includes those

that are alive today. If extinct species are included, then Allah must have taught Adam a billion or so names.

How many species did Adam name?

(2:34) "All save Iblis"

Allah commands the angels to worship Adam. They all do, except for Iblis, who becomes a disbeliever.

Does everything obey Allah?

(2:55-56) "The lightning seized you. Then We revived you ... that ye might give thanks."

Allah struck Moses with lightening and then revived him just so that Moses would thank him for it!

(2:61)

"Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon them."

Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's

revelations.(But what prophets and revelations were there before Moses?)

(2:62)

"Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth

right - surely their reward is with their Lord."

Will all Jews and Christians go to hell?

(2:65-66) "Be ye apes, despised and hated!"

Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are

descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews).

(2:106) "We bring (in place) one better."

Everything's good in the Quran, but the later revelations are sometimes better than the

earlier ones. This is called the doctrine of abrogation.

(2:109)

"Forgive and be indulgent (toward them) until Allah give command."

How should Jews and Christians be treated?

(2:119)

"And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire."

(They are the non-muslims.)

Hell and The Fire in the Quran

(2:256) "There is no compulsion in religion."

(But see the next verse which says that disbelievers will burn forever in Hell.)

(2:257) "Those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. Such are rightful owners of the Fire."

Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire.

Should i continue now with the chapter of the Family of Imran or you got enough evidences?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Platao, May I ask you something? Do you have any evidence to deny that Quar'an is not the word of Almighty? If so prove it.

Qur'an is not undergone any changes for the years passed and never will be changed in coming years. This is the Assurance from Almighty and we Muslims have no doubt on that as it is the Assurance from Our Lord.

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"Brit expat, If you are not following the fundamentals of Islam, you can be muslim in front of the general public, but not in front of Almighty. He provided the rules to follow without any change, not to change or choose according to your likeness or your benefit."

Do you have any evidence that's what God really said?

During some years wasn't Qur'an passed through the people as an oral tradition?

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Meaningfull: Using the same thought, maybe non muslim only marry a muslim girl to show them the correct path, because non muslim men love God/Allah first than women, they are considered "lost" untill they ask forgiveness to Jesus Christ, virgin Mary and God and it's only accepted forgiveness if they don't repeat the same mistake again of marrying a muslim woman (they are unbelievers, so should only marry unbelivers).

Such kind of thought is enough to consider you as a racist at most Western countries.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

If it is an apple, It should be apple in all the form. It can not be half apple half orange. OK If there are some norms and conditions provided, then the judgement will be possible only based on that.

Nice you are comparing apples and oranges, it cant be done.

I am not talking about anyone wanting to be part of anything. What I am saying is that you cant judge people by one generic standard. You completely missed the point nice..

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Amoud, If you don't follow the teaching why do you want to know as muslim?

If you are working in an Office where there some dress code and if you don't follow that, will you be able to be an employee of that Office???

Only God can judge, my friend.

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Nice.... keep it simple.

I can also argue this with you... I know some muslims who pray 5 times a day, go on Hajj, pay Zakat etc that are much better Muslims than those who cover and do not pray etc.

Someone is muslim if they adhere to the 5 pillars of Islam... I dont think you can denounce someones Islam if they are not covered...

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Kareena, This is the problem. Majority of people doing something can not be considered as right. In islam Hijab is a must. There will be more people to support you when you go against the teaching of your religion. Those non believers are happy when you join with them and accuse your religion. You can wear whatever you like then don't call yourself as muslim. To be a muslim you have to follow the teaching of Islam. You have to perform obligatory prayers. You should be aware about the AWRAH. That is why Islam teaches you what and how to wear.

Lusitano, Islam doesn't look on the quantity but quality. No one worried to have more followers of islam if it is not in a complete way. If you do something, it should be done sincerely.

Hmm, Kareena, be a bit careful... beard and hijab are different. One is obligatory and one is Sunna.

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Kareena74,

I am happy to know that Karachi citizens respect each other.

I feel sorry for you to have such a boss!

If there were less people like your boss in this world, perhaps Islam would be much more respected and would probably have much more followers!

Back in my home country Pakistan, Karachi to be precise.. No one judges you by your appearance or actions and no one says you are not a Muslim if you don't wear hijab or if you don't keep a long beard or if you don't pray five times a day. Majority of women in Pakistan do not wear hijab.. They just wear the traditional Pakistani dress shalwar kameez with a dupataa covering their body.. But here in Qatar.. You get comments like.. "Are you a Muslim? What kind of Muslim woman are you? wear hijaab or what kind of Muslim man are you? grow a beard.. What kind of Muslims are you.. How could you go for movies or listen to music? How could you do this and do that? It is true.. people are more judgemental over here.. Take it from me.. My boss practically forced me to wear hijaab at work.

Amoud, you are a very nice QLer.

You expose your ideas with clarity in a simple and straight forward manner; you demonstrate understanding and respect! and you don't lecture people.

Congrats

;)

PS. To bad there are only a few like you here.

Tallg

I am sure you have heard of the khawarij. They are a group of muslims that you will see crying. Even the sahaba (the best of their generation) used to see them and think they were better then them because of their piety and crying during prayers.

So why did the Prophet Mohammad say that if you see these people "kill them where ever you find them?"

Because they make a persons mistakes (sins) as something that takes them out of the fold of Islam.

This is very different then a persons Islamic belief (aqueedah)that takes them out of the fold of Islam.

Amoud I think your spot on when you say

"Here in the ME people are very vocal about their judgement of those who arent "up to the religious par". I think my only comment on that would be at least they arent hiding what they do and acting like a big ole bunch of hypocrites"

Unfortunately it is not just in the middle east!

To everyone else.. yes we know this goes against Islam. however their are alot of reasons for doing things that go against Islam. Everyone has their own personal circumstances and reasons.

And lets get real when we say that not everybody is from the perfect islamic world that you people seem to come from. Many of us, have so many obstacles in front of us and its about weighing the lesser of two evils rather then weighing between good and evil.

Ahh...meaningful there is one unforgivable sin... idolatry. Murder can be forgiven.

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Tallg...Allah forgives everything except those who kill others, There are mistakes which are between a human and Allah for that kind of mistakes if aperson asks forgiveness deeply with one heart and NOT to repeat same mistakes again, Allah forgives him/her. but there some mistakes which are between two people, example i hurt you or ur family and i go back home and ask Allah to forgive me , He will not forgive me..i have to ask you to forgive me while Iam asking Allah to forgive me too. and Allah is a merciful and forgiver. (Iam not muft but I love my religion so i do read and follow its teachings)

I dont live with example..Rather I prefer to be an example!

Well I guess I'll have to accept that different Muslims have different ideas about this, but thanks for putting your point of view across nice too nice.

(though I don't understand what you were trying to achieve with the driver analogy bait/trap - that just confused me even more!).

Tallg, I intentionally put that driver thing in my reply. I know someone will bring it up. I need that comment from someone. In islam, the one who follows its teaching is Muslim. And those who not follows not a muslim. That is the difference between worldly Logic and Divine. One who do not Offer the obligatory Prayer daily can't be a muslim. The one who do not Fast during Ramadan can't be a muslim. Once you accepted Islam as your religion/way of life, then should follow the teachings in full. There is nothing like quarter muslim, half muslim etc. Its clear either here or there. You can't be on both sides as per your likeness and comfort.

During ramadan keep on eating on day time and claim as muslim...(There are exceptions provided by Almighty to drop fasting with certain valuable reasons) he can do that, but he won't be muslim. Who do not respect and value His teaching will not be a pious muslim.

Right oh in many points Tallg. If they want to get technical is not permissable for them to actually judge anyone because that is solely up to God to do that :).

Let people make their mistakes, they will answer for it themselves right?

Meaningful... instead of going into to that huge rant, why not just say that Islam prohibits a muslim woman to marry a non muslim man and give some of the reasons for that?

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

But that's where I'm confused Amoud.

Some Muslims (included many on QL - like nice too nice for example) say that if you don't follow Islam to the letter then you aren't a Muslim, while others say that isn't the case.

Personally I believe that religion is a personal thing and what you follow and take from it is your choice. However, I realise the Islam is deeply ingrained into everyday life so perhaps that isn't an option. There seems to be much disagreement on this though.

oh..well , this thread is still on? lol....a woman who marries non muslim is getting out of islam it doesnt matter whether they are 3500 woman as Platao said, or 500000000000000 woman married to non muslim, and it doesnt matter whether its bcz the non muslims helping those woman bcz they are poor! when we follow Allahs way we dont care to remain poor , it is better to remain poor than to leave Allah.as i said a muslim girl knows since she was born that she is for a muslim man, it is in our blood,heart and mind, so before she falls inlove if she is really a good muslim her heart doesnt choose other than muslim or a person that will accept islam. Platao as u said (((in Morrocco, last year around 35000 women married non muslim men, were all just to run from Morroco?

If it weren't the "unbelivers" helping developping the "belivers" countries, where would you all be? Walking sheeeps? Raising camels? Unable to cross a see in a plane?))) ok you said it ..so these woman wanted good life right? they wanted to avoid raising camels right? then thse woman didnt go for love , they married to find a better life , it is the same as i said they are after money or ur passports. Real love to us is Allah..first Allah then man so if they love Allah they would not go for money, they would show those nonmuslim the right path of Allah insitead of looking for money. shame on them., they are counted as are not muslim any more until they seek forgiveness from Allah, and the forgiveness is only accepted if we ask Allah we dont repeat the same mistakes again. if we are lucky to seek forgiveness before its too late.

I dont live with example..Reather I prefer to be an example!

Not at all Tallg, but best to be wary when you take religious advice from QL'ers.

It is the same with every religion I would imagine, you got the good ones and the bad ones. Here in the ME people are very vocal about their judgement of those who arent "up to the religious par". I think my only comment on that would be at least they arent hiding what they do and acting like a big ole bunch of hypocrites.

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Amoud, apologies if I don't appear very receptive, but I assure you I'm genuinely interested to know why the less-pious Muslims aren't considered Muslims at all, and how this affects the religion as a whole.

Ahh, another religious rant.

It is fine to teach about religion, but .... if you are feediing false info that is far worse.

Religion is private, and as muslims I think that if you are explaining religion to non-muslims it may be a bit better to take on a softer approach. As you can see none of the non-muslims here are very receptive to a lot of the comments posted.

Another thing.... why does a discussion about Islam have to also turn into a terrorist issue?

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

To use your analogy nice too nice;

You say that a driver who violates traffic laws is still a driver, but not a good one.

So following that logic, a Muslim who doesn't follow the laws of Islam is still Muslim, but not a good one.

But some of your earlier comments don't agree with this;

"Who breaks the law of God, he is out from the faith. It doesn't matter whether he continue to claim as Muslim."

"If someone doesn't follow the teaching of islam, they won't be muslims."

What do you mean terrorists are Muslism unless something in their manhaj takes them out??? What is manhaj and how can they be considered Muslims. Islam is a relgion of peace and it never teaches its followers to go in the path of destruction or to cause harm to the innocent irrespective of their religion. The 9/11 attacks are one example.. The so called jihaadis will go to hell for sure.. What they did is unforgiveable. See from what I have known and read about Islam (Since I am a born Muslim) I know that Allah will forive those sins which are between him and his follower but when it involves some other person, then Allah can not forgive us unless that person forgives us first.. Now hundreds of people died in that 9/11 tragedy.. How would those terrorists who planned the attack ask for forgivness from those poor innnocent people who died?

Tell me how one do wrong when there are directions provided to you already. That means the one is not ready to follow the instructions which cause the trouble.

What you call the driver who violates/not follow the traffic rule? Though he is still a driver but not a good driver. That is my point.

Until a person follows the teaching of islam he won't be a good muslim.

What kind of kissing? A peck or tongue action. I feel a peck on the lips is okay but more than that in this country is asking for trouble. So what kind of kiss was it does anyone know?

PH - "Terrorists are considered muslims until something in their manhaj takes them out of the fold of Islam.

We are not people to judge them...

Actually Allah forgives Idol worship as well if one repents and forsakes what he used to worship other then Allah."

Noted. As long as he repents before it is too late, yes? Meaning, even in his last breath, if he so repents, he will be forgiven, yes?

I agree that only God judges, not us. We still have to be discerning about our surroundings, the company we keep, etc. What we don't like, eg. those indecently dressed youngsters at the beach party, we try to correct them but there should always be a limit to any interference. At the end of the day, there's only so much we can say or do. After we've said our piece, we let go. Each answers to his Maker.

/My Mum says if I have kids, I'll sing a different tune. But then again, I might not. I'm too old and set in my way of thinking.

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nice too nice - "What i tried to say that the person who doesn't follow the teachings of islam and his actions are accounted on islam which is not correct. Take the terrorist activities. Islam never allow any one to kill innocents, but you can see that most of the terrorist activities are counted on islam. Those so called muslim who doesn't follow islam in proper way as it taught and cause trouble for the entire muslim community. Can you call those terrorists are muslim? For me they are not muslim. They are terrorist and nothing to do with Islam.

Almighty is Merciful and we don't know about our status in front of him on the day of judgement. He is the one to decide and without his blessings and mercy no one can enter to the Paradise."

Good point. Glad that there are many like you. And yes, Islam has gotten really bad press due to some of these actions.

/But having said that, there are "terrorists" in other religions as well. Just downplayed and/or manipulated. It's a matter of communication to and education of as many people as possible, to broaden people's minds. Train people to think critically about whatever they hear, verify facts and not accept everything unquestioningly. Eg. my background / education system was rote learning - that does not train people to think. Things are changing but slowly.

/Edit: Princess Habibah - interesting comment.

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May Allah forgive you. Terrorists are considered muslims until something in their manhaj takes them out of the fold of Islam.

We are not people to judge them. Only mufti's can make that well thought out and based on baseerah(evidence) decision about a person or group of persons.

Actually Allah forgives Idol worship as well if one repents and forsakes what he used to worship other then Allah.

I think britexpat is right. One unforgivable sin. Same for Christianity. And as for some of the above comments - yes, many followers of Islam, Christianity, etc. are merely blind (figuratively speaking) followers and thus, not in reality true Muslims, Christians, etc. Anyway, what I found:-

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_there_unforgivable_sins_in_Islam...

Yes, there is one unforgivable sin.... associating partners with Allah swt (God).

[Quran 4:48] GOD does not forgive idolatry, but He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who sets up idols beside GOD, has forged a horrendous offense.

[Quran 4:116] GOD does not forgive idol worship (if maintained until death), and He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who idolizes any idol beside GOD has strayed far astray.

[Quran 39:65] It has been revealed to you, and to those before you that if you ever commit idol worship, all your works will be nullified, and you will be with the losers.

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There are 10 major things that take a person out of the fold of Islam. And a few more.

However they are clear and a person is not taken out of Islam for less them them. I.E. for any sins or mistakes that he makes. Even for wrong thinking.

There are so many dynamics that play a part in how any person has developed there way of thinking. And we as muslims must first try to find answers for them and be open minded and think the best of them should they be found at fault. We must remember that we all are victims of our own enviroments as well. Whether it is something as big as shirk, in the middle like homosexuality or minor as not believing to brush their teeth.

The key is being understanding and non judgemental of other people. By finding out why these things are not allowed, the implications, how it perfects the islamic faith, and what is going on in the head of the other person. And ask them what they would like to see happen. And how they view the situation.

Then we should advise with hikmah and softness.

As for the case in the thread, I think it is unfair to allow them in the country married and then persecute them. Second of all, it may be against Islam but how many people fall short of much greater concepts. Who are we to pass judgement on such a minor matter when the solution is found in curing ourselves and establishing much greater Islamic rulings first.

Lastly it may be that these people could in their own country and therefore were unaware of any problems resulting (legally). And therefore according to Islam are not due any punishments. (as punishment is only when you do a crime and understand the punishment that will be applied for it).

A question of evolution of civilizations' thinking!

Not all of our cultures are at the same era and that is why we disagree in such an innocent and beautiful gesture of love.

God created something imperfect – mankind - the real problem!

If each one of us could respect and not interfere with the way each one is and if each one of us would only judge ourselves, the world would probably be a better place! I had the privilege to live in societies very close to that I do intend to go back ASAP!

One more advice: Do not act as if you are god’s ambassador, because none of us are!

I don't think you can compare Muslims to Christians in this respect brit. Islam is literally a way of life for Muslims, which isn't the case for Christians. I don't know many Christians who think you're not a Christian if you don't follow Christianity precisely.

My point about the percentages was that the statistics show that there are a huge amount of Muslims in the world, but these figures are probably wrong if you take Islam's own logic that anyone who doesn't follow Islam precisely isn't a Muslim.

I strongly agree with you Mr.Britexpat. Shirk will not be forgiven by Almighty. What i tried to say that the person who doesn't follow the teachings of islam and his actions are accounted on islam which is not correct. Take the terrorist activities. Islam never allow any one to kill innocents, but you can see that most of the terrorist activities are counted on islam. Those so called muslim who doesn't follow islam in proper way as it taught and cause trouble for the entire muslim community. Can you call those terrorists are muslim? For me they are not muslim. They are terrorist and nothing to do with Islam.

Almighty is Merciful and we don't know about our status in front of him on the day of judgement. He is the one to decide and without his blessings and mercy no one can enter to the Paradise.

Sorry to disagree with you..

From what I have read, the only act that makes you a "non muslim" or rather "un Muslim" is "Shirk" - Comparing the Lord with someone else.

All other actions, even those of not adhering to the other oillars of Islam do not. They just mean that you will be "answerable" for your actions / inactions to the Lord on the day of judgement and he will decide your fate...

Brit expat, If you are not following the fundamentals of Islam, you can be muslim in front of the general public, but not in front of Almighty. He provided the rules to follow without any change, not to change or choose according to your likeness or your benefit. According to islamic teaching, it has given you dress code and you are not following it and follows the dress code of non believers, that is it. You are then not a muslim. You are ordered to perform 5 times prayer a day and you choose not to do it then you are not a muslim. You have to fast in ramadan and you don't follow it, then you are not a muslim.

Without imagination their is nothing!

Whats so immoral about kissing your wife for f sake ,what wrong with these people , may as well lock up the arabs and indians that gawk at my wife on a daily basis get over it people

How many christians or Hindus follow the leter of the law when it comes to their religion ?

The simple fact is that most of us are "born into" a religion and belong to that religion in name only.

Islam , like other religions has guidelines on how to live one's life. The fact that certain muslims may interpret them differently or chose not to adhere to them for cultural or personal reasons does not make them a "non Muslim"..

Yes, If someone doesn't follow the teaching of islam, they won't be muslims. The consequences are not in this world. It is in life after death. There is no need to have any estimate or statistics. Why do you want the percentage?

I'm intrigued - so if someone doesn't follow the laws and regulations of Islam to the letter they aren't considered a Muslim?

So what are the consequences of this for the person in question?

And are the any estimates on the percentage of people claiming to be Muslim who are actually considered Muslim (i.e. who follow Islam precisely)?

Yes thats what the problem. You need daily update for your laws, but the laws and regulations provided by Almighty is suitable for all the time. No need of any update after he sent the last Messenger with final Version of His law.

nice to nice: Of course i can divorce my wife just may take a litle longer, we had changes in the divorce law that says that you are free to get divorced without needing, any of the parts, to be guilty.

UKEng: I agree with you, but what about getting a place for "adults only" ?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Showing public affection towards your partener should not be a problem as long as it is not more that a peck on the cheek..But if were talking about French kissing then I think it out of charater here..would more suit in Piccadilly Circus or Champes Elysee or in the west..

The second question is that why questioning the marriage certificate now if the she is a resident of Doha then obsviously she is on husband visa.. so what the fuss.

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Platao, It is very clear. Who breaks the law of God, he is out from the faith. It doesn't matter whether he continue to claim as Muslim. The Almighty given instructions to muslims to follow, no any non believer compelled to follow that but muslim. Hey don't be so proud. Please read the history and find where from the Medical science came, where from the maths and astrology came out......

You can not be a muslim until you accept islam as a way of life and obey the teaching of the Holy Qur'an with clear heart of submission to the Almighty(not to the moroccan girl). You can claim as converted to islam for the sake of your worldly gains, but who cares that.. If someone accepted islam as his religion, then he is not supposed to breach any rules of it. Its common sense.

And regarding the islamic rules, why do you worry the ladies who wear abhaya? Is it hurt you any way? It is upto them to wear as they taught so as to be a Muslim. Hey man, you even can't divorce your wife officially if you see her doing adultery. But islam prevents all type of adultery whether it is from man or woman. That is why it provides clear guidance how to have relations. Not like you people date with someone and you find the pleasure is going down, then choose another one and do whatever you want, then throw her and go on.... And islam protects the family as well as the society keeping the address(i think you understand what i mean). For us we are proud about our family and culture. Beccause it has unbroken links to forefathers.....

Very simple case isnt it.

- PDA is illegal

- It is against Sharia law for a muslim woman to marry a non muslim man, hence against the law in Qatar.

- If their marriage is prohibited in Qatar, then their marriage will not be recognized in Qatar.

Come on guys, same sex marriage is not even recognized in most of our neck of the woods, how can we be judgemental of this?

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

"if any muslim girl accepts you the way you are then SHE IS AFTER SOMETHING ELSE NOT LOVE..." & "...we love Islam and when u accept Islam we love you but if you dont accept Islam we love you as human and as a friend not more than that."

Meaningfull: Well, if that's the way a man can convert, than he'll have his own interpretation of the Qur'an, he'll be a nice, understandable and respectful person before marriage, after marriage he forces his wife to use abbaya, slaps if she looks to any other guy, doesn't allow her look at him at the same level and if he isn't happy enough he takes her to Islamic court to be stoned to death because he has 4 friends that saw her commiting adultery, afterall that's written in the Qur'an as a muslim men right.

Nice to Nice: I will convert to Islam because i belive in God's strongest force, LOVE, it's kinda funny that you talk the way you do, isn't a muslim someone that is submissed to God?

Interesting, in Morrocco, last year around 35000 women married non muslim men, were all just to run from Morroco?

If it weren't the "unbelivers" helping developping the "belivers" countries, where would you all be? Walking sheeeps? Raising camels? Unable to cross a see in a plane?

In case you haven't noticed, i do belive in God and as all living beings i submit myself to his commitments, but i don't belive in "revelations".

As i told nadt on another post, everybody should leurn that everyone has different ideas, and you or anyone else can't do anything because that's the way we all are: "All Equal, All different".

Tara: I see how muslims live here and can assure that they have leurned that intercultural marriages aren't that bad and happen quite often.

Muslims shouldn't drink alcohol, have sex out of marriage and some other things but they do it, and you don't need to come to the West to see it, just go to Bahrain or Turkey.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

I don't quite understand Meaningfuls rant? I mean I doubt muslims all follow their religion. It doesn't make sense that whats good for the goose is not for the gander.

Holding hands if the couple is married is ok, right?

Or not at all? I see Qatari girls holding hands with each other as they skip along.

I agree that people should respect the laws, cultures and norms of the country they are in. Pros - care and protection of the women. Cons - lack of freedom and spontaneity but as BeMyBro said, to each his/her own.

Meaningful's post - "if any muslim girl accepts you the way you are then SHE IS AFTER SOMETHING ELSE NOT LOVE..." & "...we love Islam and when u accept Islam we love you but if you dont accept Islam we love you as human and as a friend not more than that."

I believe that's true to a large extent, if the girl is a staunch Muslim and a true believer. There are many who just follow blindly without making a conscious decision to do so. The same can be said for a staunch Christian or Jew - It is God above all else, without exception.

The rationale for the "rules" is not actually meant to oppress but to protect. Always a trade off involved and what the community is willing to accept. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

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Platao, You never miss a chance to criticise islam... Islam has so many rules and regulations and who is able to follow those can be Muslim. If islam teaches something, we muslims has to follow that else live your way as a non muslim. Islam strictly controls those who accepted islam as his way of life. There is no compeltion on non muslims to follow islamic teachings. If your girlfriend is willing to marry you, do that.. no problem. Since she decided to marry a non muslim man, she herself thrown out from islam. So why are you waiting. As someone said above, the one who grown up in islamic way are aware that, what they can do and what can't. Don't bash islam every moment as you could not able to get the girl you wanted.... If she is willing to marry you, take her to your country and do it... Don't bash islam, it can not be tolerated.

Hey guys,can't help but say that PDA is not actually we intend to do in public, to make others envy having someone to hug or kissed:-P It sometimes happen unconsciously maybe because of what they call "spur of the moment" cause of being in love? (Not a stone yo!) ouufff...

But of course, I agree to respect the culture of this country...& one very common is Not to display affection in public, so be it.

Just one question...Does holding hands here is a crime??? or kissing the Hand of someone in public is not allowed as well??? Coz if it is...naaahhh shud stop it:-(

PDA is revolting in public whatever culture whatever country IMO.....get a room!!!

I think we, as expatriates, should respect the laws and regulations, traditions of the country where we work and make our living.

It is a little bit strange this story! as i have never heard a muslim woman marrying a christian guy, anyway this may happen.

However, the punishement is not inflicted due to their marriage but to their displaying affection in public.

What on earth prevents them from doing this in private? Shame on them! they should respect the state where they live. Qatar is a muslim and Arab state.

I strongly support the enforcement of the law.

I don't understand your arguments.Plus, what's with your obsession about sex with animals! you seem to bring it on every thread. PDA can be as simple as holding hands. I don't see what is wrong with that.I hold my wife's hand whenever we are in public, so is so many Qatari couples.

BeMyBro, my response was intended to be general but you picked up on a couple of my points, so I'll respond. Actually, I lived in Holland for nearly ten years!! I learned to speak the language, immersed myself in the culture and have many erudite Dutch friends, but I never came across any bestiality! So, what's "legal" is one thing; what's common practice is another!

Here in Qatar, it's ILLEGAL to smoke in an enclosed space, but you still see people lighting up beneath the no-smoking signs in shopping malls and get asked in a restaurant whether you prefer to sit in the "smoking or non-smoking" area which is actually within the same space. What happened to the "rules" here?

Re the washing ritual, urine is virtually sterile but saliva is laden with bacteria, so how laudable is it to wash one's hands meticulously after going to the loo, then go outside and spit in the street? I saw a sign above a carpet the other day requesting "No Spitting". Lovely.

By the way, I see nothing wrong with men showing platonic affection by holding hands, arms around shoulders, etc., as I saw it often in Spain and India as it's their culture too. Showing affection in public should not be taboo if it is non-sexual, in my opinion. I didn't know about the Thai issue about touching heads, so I'll be careful next time not to ruffle any little kids' heads next time I'm there! But then again, one might get offered a child for rent - so I reiterate - it's a matter of common sense whether one decides to go native or not!

did you go every house and ask how many qatari woman are not married in this house?...btw there planty of muslim guys so why looking for someone who doesnt want our religion?

I dont live with example..Reather I prefer to be an example!

So, the moral of the story: never marry a Muslim girl! Is that the reason why there are so many Qatari women unmarried?

We discussed about muslim man marrying non muslim and nonmuslim man marying muslim girl many times here, Islam religion does not accept a nonmuslim man to marry muslim girl bcz man in the house is the head of the family, he is the leader and the pilot...therefour he should be muslim. talking about falling inlove, first of all a muslim girl knows she ever since she was young that she cannot and she is not allowed by her religion to marry non muslim, if she really love and respect her religion she cannot and never will fall inlove with nonmuslim man unless she is sure that the guy accepts Islam. if a muslim girl accepts you and you are not muslim be careful ..very careful because if she can cheat her religion then she can even cheat you, she may marry u for your money or your passport but not for love. a muslim girl will never love a man morethan her religion wakeup guys! I know many of girls who from some muslim poor countries, after marriage and got their paper done they go back home crying and ask forgiveness to Allah and ask for divorce if the guy still doesnt want to be muslim.

short/clear and simple : WE (FEMALE) DONT MARRY NON MUSLIMS ...UNTIL THEY ACCEPT ISLAM...if any muslim girl accepts you the way you are then SHE IS AFTER SOMETHING ELSE NOT LOVE. our heart is full of our religion we love our religion morethan anything else and thats why when nonmuslim convert to marry a muslim girl , the girl got crazy inlove with the man morethan the time they met when he was not muslim, bcz we love Islam and when u accept Islam we love you but if you dont accept Islam we love you as human and as a friend not morethan that.

I dont live with example..Reather I prefer to be an example!

Casonova, where did i mention Qataris? Theres plenty of crazy drivers on the road and my comment was in relation to the police focusing on PDA instead of more important things.

Do i think the only threat to our society is the rash driving???

Given that qatar has a very high accident rate and drivers not respecting the road laws and endangering peoples lives, yes i do, police should focus on that and get their priorities straight.

Of course we must respect the countries laws, but in this situation a married couple probably forgot for a second about the laws and gave each other a peck and bang they are treated as criminals. Worse is that they are in trouble for getting married which in another country was legal.

Furthermore, dont you find it ironic that as per junx's comment, that in the presence of police, people were hugging and kissing and no one was arrested.

Lusitano ;-)

in thailand its rude to touch someone over the head

does this mean they are retards?

In the Netherlands it was legal to have sex with animals (Mind you that the dutch are very liberal open minded educated and multicultural people). they however recently banned it after debating banning it for 2 years.

Now i tell you what does education have to do with this.

A murderer is educated in human anotomy and knows that if he stabs one in the heart he can verywell kill him...do you think that this education he has will prevent him from murder or will help him?

How can you educate me about a kiss in public?

Its totally ok to kiss in public and that we are ignorant not to understand that and need to be educated and civilized? will we only be educated if we take your way of things?

Ok ow about this..when we take a piss we wash our private parts and our hands....you dont instead you zip up your pants.

Are we wrong? should we get educated on this manner?

maybe some should be open minded and a man can hold another mans hand without having sexual ideas. or is this totally different ;)

Its very simple.....at your place we follow your rules...at our place you follow our rules.

Some people seem to confuse demonstrating affection with demonstrating lust! What's immoral about giving someone a hug, or a chaste kiss, or a stroke on the cheek or a pat on the back, etc. in the same way that a mother would do to her child, or to her brother or even to her husband, in public?

As far as cultural differences go, I once lived in a culture where it was normal for the locals to maltreat their animals appallingly, but that doesn't mean that I should follow suit just because I temporarily live there!! Neither would I become cannibalistic, polygamous, engage in paedophilia, etc. just because it happened to be the norm amongst "the locals" of that country. As I said before: Common sense should prevail. And EDUCATION is paramount!!

Even when you take your girl friend to your place, it seems like a mission impossible.

Make sure neighbours don't see, watchman etc becuase you can be caught and deported, if caught with your GF in your place.

I strongly believe, that what happens between two consulting adults in the privacy of home should not be subjected to tradition and culture, as it is private, not been flashed around.

Some people just cant grasp the idea of other cultures differing from theirs!!

I just wounder if many of you hate this place this much why are you here in the first place?

Human morals evolve separately. To each their own. so what is ok here is not ok there and vice verse.

If one cant accept or respect others moral values then they themselves are not worthy of respect.

I fully agree with Lusitano and i would like to add that if people are always worried about purity, they should know tha a pure heart sees, listens talks no evil.

Sometime ago we had here, in forum, a discussion about women/girls being disturbed by man/boys at Egypt.

That has shown that "hidding" love or cover the full body except eyes aren't solutions for "protecting" the moral values.

Anyone knows what Adam and Eve used to wear?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Nadt... no offence.... but can you tell me why the hell Qatari Drivers are dragged in between all the issues discussed on the forum....

Do you think the only threat to our society is the rash driving???

“We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give.”

Sir Winston Churchill

they should do the kissing on very private places to avoid problems...

but inter-religion/race marriages..so sad for lovers :(

britexpat,

I am sorry for your personal experience, but you cannot compare what is happening in what I call "free world" and in "castrating societies"!

There is no perfect paradise on earth, but you sure can kiss you lover in public, as others (civilized) won't look if they don't like it or do look if they like it!... it even made beautiful classic pictures back in the 50's in Paris!

These kind of rules do exist when indiduals have such an "education" that he/she feels threaten by such an unoffensive love gesture!

I have often seen dogs and bitches indulging in PDA. Please advise me, the next time I see such activities should I report them to the police?

Hey if there are no kids and elderly in the public.. then what the harm in kissing in public.. especially if they were married.. and about them married inter religion , what difference does that make... its going to be between god and them wheather they did the right or wrong.. i am sure if these couples were european or american it would have been a no problemo..

The "free world" is not as free as we like to believe..I went on a march against war a few years back and the police treated us like scum..

britexpat,

I know, we are just talking here, saying what we think.

Nothing will change out there and that's the way it is... we'll just have to move back to the free world before we forget it.

:)

qatarisun...

I was just saying that there were a lot of cops yesterday at the beach party too, when all the hugging and kissing were going on in public.. They didnt arrest them... They infact were starin and drooling all over..

Where did the culture go now then???

But oh well...

The music was good...

and that's what all this talk about! we don't say: you cannot hug, kiss, and f**k the one you love! do it as much as you want/can...we say: you have to have a sense of WHEN and WHERE to do so!

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“You become responsible forever for what you have tamed”. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

I agree with them also. BUT.. we cannot and should not "impose" our values and norms on another culture..

Did you never see Star Trek ??

If Doha had a lot more of Voyageress's and Nadt's, it would be a much more respected and pleasant place to live...

Then the Pearl would actually look like the billboards (pictures from a happy hour somewhere in Europe, where people generally go for love not war)... instead it will look like the 2006 Doha Games (no atmosphere, no celebration mood, at times more like a big funeral. Of course the Propaganda Officials painted a different picture but not everybody bought it).

Yeah Qatarisun.. The family made a big ding dong about it and put the girl up for therapy to help "cure" her. And the idiot psyche doctors agree. LOL poor girl.

Guess she felt she could open up to me because I'm from big bad America.

You want to hear about kissing...??

If you guys had been there at the beach party... You would say this was nothing... The poor couple juzt made a mistake by kissing in corniche...Thats all..

It wasnt like they were going around and kissing everyone around the place...

I 100% agree with voyageress, and I wish most people saw it that way, i think it would make a better world that way, but I also agree that you need to respect the laws of the land and country you are in as a visitor/ foreigner. And most likely we wont be changing their laws, if we chose to move to Doha instead of Asia, Europe or the Americas part of our choices was to live under such conditions. What I want to know is ... is it illegal for them to give a kiss of affection on the forehead,face, or hand after an endeering conversation or is it more like they are french kissing, or making out? because of those two i can see a pretty clear difference?

Hmm, I've lived in many different cultures and believe that common sense should always prevail over local idiosyncracies!

Whilst I agree with your views, I find it strange that you cannot comprehend the reason behind the case. Its purely cultural. What is really wrong with respecting the local culture, no matter how much we disagree?

Voyageress, i guess this couple pose a threat and are a danger to society, unlike those mad drivers :-)

Well said, Nadt. I agree 100%.

It annoys me that the police are more worried about whos kissing who, rather than policing those god damn crazy drivers who are putting peoples lives at risk.

about public displays of affection whereas nothing is more normal between a couple who love each other! My grandparents were happily married for 60 years and were openly affectionate toward each other even in old age. Children SHOULD grow up amongst families who aren't prudish about holding hands, linking arms, or kissing on the cheek in public; after all, what's to be ashamed about? As for homosexuality - it exists in every culture and even within the animal kingdom! Do you really think it's a "choice"? Personally, I believe that a couple should be free to marry whomever they wish, whatever their colour, creed or religion.

I Beg you gals.... Please dont insist me for that now....

“We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give.”

Sir Winston Churchill

'treatment for her condition'? what do you mean by that? condition of what? of being lesbian? is that a clinical case?? didn't know that..

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“You become responsible forever for what you have tamed”. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Have to agree with homosexuality here. Just went to a Qatari womens party and a few of them were dressed like boys with dolls hanging on their arms. In fact the friend who invited me is an open lesbian who is currently seeking treatment for her condition. lol

Now I still can't get over men (even cops) holding hands. And then arrest a couple who are married. It just doesn't make sense.

huh? ADULTERY for marrying a non-muslim guy? :/

[img_assist|nid=12867|link=none|align=left|width=|height=0]Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood.

bEmybro: tHANKS FOR SHOWING TO ALL THAT Islam is a descriminating religion, think most people here already knew that. In some countries, that would be considered racism.

Regarding their marriage, i can only talk about my experience in Morroco, with my girlfriend, following countrie's law, if i marry on my country with my gf and i ain't muslim, marriage isn't valid in Morrocco, by other words this means that we could never go to Morroco if i don't convert before marrying, i wonder what a muslim man would say if his marriage would be considered invalid in a country just because his religion isn't the same as the countrie's government that he was visiting. Luckilly, in

Europe, there aren't such laws.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Why cant people marry whom they love??

This is like people can marry only after his/her religion is proper, caste is proper etc..

Afterall, we will be marrying a humanbeing...

good point coming from a muslim lady, kareena..see not many people admit that..they all try to cover up things here.. we all know the level of promiscuousness in qatar ....

I see no figures here only hate statements

maybe its the kind of people that you surround yourself with.

I am a Muslim woman and I know it for a fact that I am not allowed being a Muslim to marry any man who is not a Muslim. If I do that, I would probably be stoned to death for commiting adultury.

As far as homosexuality is concerned, I know it for a fact how common it is in the Middle east.. It is spread everywhere in the world, even in my country Pakistan. You can't deny it.. And you can't turn a blind eye or perhaps you can that is what people do.. They just chose to turn a blind eye.

bemybro you are a funny chap....such lecture you r giving us eh!!!save me the preaching mate....

No difference. They are all idiots for firstly doing it in a public place and secondly for getting caught.

pathethic, primitive, control freak beahavior...

There you go, I knew Gypsy would have the figures ;)

BeMyBro is right, there is no comparison of percentages because the percentage of homosexuality here is almost two times higher then any other region of the world.

In fact, this is the only place in the world I've ever heard of straight men having sex with other men because they don't have access to women outside of prison.

Ah ok, it read like you were saying the are no gay muslims/arabs. Apologies.

Anyway, I expect someone will come in and quote some statistics about how many there actually are!

I take offense of calling me naive!!!

Just kidding. :D

I didn't claim there isn't homosexuality in Qatar..there is homosexuality everywhere.

but there is no comparison between the percentages.

I agree with the most of the sentiment of your comment BeMyBro, but you need to open your eyes and stop being so naive if you think there is no homosexuality here!

You see...in this world there are cultures other than yours...you have to grow understanding this concept that people have different traditions and morals.

For example men in Qatar do not have as much insecurities as men from your part of the globe. Holding hands has no homosexual meaning and touching noses is a greeting of respect because the nose is a symble of dignity.

We do not have a population that is 20% homosexual or have perverted orientations thus there is no fear of homosexuality like there is in "other parts of the world".

I understand that in some countries sodomites are spread though the community so most men feel insecure and their manhood threatened so they are careful of other fellows of their own gender.

So in simple words its like a clown that looks at regular people and calls them weird.

This is a Muslim country that has rules of decency.

People of this country do not like certain habbits of yours so show them respect by not doing them at their home and take of your shoes if they ask you to before you step inside their living area.

that's why it is awful to see man & woman kissing in public... but in any country except Islamic countries... No prob...

In fact there is a contest in public which more than a thousand couples will kiss their partners. It is happening every valentines day.

And for muslim marrying christians...what's the prob about that... ei this is Qatar Government, bow!!!

" AN END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS"

Yes your right QS. Some people follow their religion far stricter than others. Each to their own I say, religion is a personal thing.

ok, tallg.. but actually i was giving my suggestion regarding "how did they get allowed into Qatar"..

and definitely there are thousands of mixed marriages 'muslim wife-christian husband' around the world. Qatar might not to accept it, this is a different issue.

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“You become responsible forever for what you have tamed”. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

This issue has been discussed more times than the intelligence level of Dubya or Angelina Jolie's beautiful lips..

A Muslim woman Cannot marry a NON MUSLIM man. (under Islamic law)

in this thread. In my earliest days here in QL, I discussed this PDA's and all I got were lambasting from so many "liberals". At least now, it's balance.

Anyway, the risks involved in tripping to the thin line of what is acceptable and not in this culture is really great. Hope people learn from such actions.

But I agree with Gypsy, the problem is the marriage between a Muslim and a non-Muslim. The prosecutor was already compromised by the arrest and act altogether and this prosecutor would not risk of countering what he perceived is a prevalent belief about inter-religious union. But of course, it was preempted by the kissing incident and everything is already culturally compromised.

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

"I don't believe that muslim woman cannot married christian man."

QS - I think the more pious Muslims here will tell you otherwise!

allowed to marry a Christian man .. while a muslim man can marry a Christian or a Jew, of course Jew are not allowed to marry from other religions ...

"The best way to predict the future is to create it".

brit and tallg.. may be they met in Qatar, and then they got married in their country , let's say during their vacation time, and came back to qatar married. maybe their mistake is that they didn't authorize their marriage by stamping in the relevant Ministry in Qatar..

I don't believe that muslim woman cannot married christian man. I think it was some issue with the formalities.

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“You become responsible forever for what you have tamed”. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

I think certain level of PDA must be accepted. I mean locals couple abroad display it, Plus how many of you have already saw Qatari couples in malls, cinemas & hotel restaurants holding hands?

I just hate the morons at court (well, that’s what u get from a Sudanese extremist I guess)

I am sure there is a huge difference in the penalty to be decided by court based on how the court looks to the case ... I imagine that if the court sees them as not married they may be lashed, prisoned and then deported ..

Seems to harsh penalty for a man kissing his wife ..

Would be interested to see how it ends ..

Any legal vews out there?

"The best way to predict the future is to create it".

GAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(Beats her noob head against her desk in logical despair).

seriously- people here do the cheek kiss thing so much it makes me panic and long for my Canadian-bubble-of-personal-space. but they arrest a MARRIED couple for simply KISSING?

the same feeling i'm getting seeing two guys greeting each other and kissing lol

You're looking for logic and reason where there's only hypocrisy qwerty.

Kareena74.....??? Who told you that?? Thats actually possible??

qwertyness you have a good point there i must admit..

I mean, this is a country where people rub noses to say hello! Again, get over it.

junarc ..hehe very funny.. i think the qatari police will not ask if he used a tongue in the kiss or not...

So they kissed in public. They were married, big whoop-de-de-doo. I see people kissing in public here all the time, and the cops aren't jumping down on them. It sounds to me like this has more to do with their "illegal" marriage and not the PDA.

Well I think its because the license where issued in a foreign country and as a government Qatar has to recognize the laws of other countries but once a matter is relocated to another country then they will have to fall under its authority.

When accepting the marriage license it was probably for visa and emigration issues which is delt with in a specific department.

Now when they broke the law of the land by kissing in public and showing no respect for the morals and culture of this country and people then the issue is transferred to a totally different department which is the ministry of Justice.

As a court it has a set of laws and this law doesn't recognize the marriage. Its legal for a nonemuslim to have a girlfriend and such and at times of dispute they are delt with as such.

Now its a fallacy that a muslim woman is married to a non muslim man. So simply its rejected. They might be legaly married in some other country and immigration wise they are treated as a married couple but legal wise its ether adultry or she is not a muslim.

An example is a gay couple. they might be legally married somewhere in the world. but they will not be tolerated here.

that said i presume that it was an error by immigration officials to accept the license.

BUT..the main issue is..Married or not Married....its still against the law to engage in indecent acts in public in Qatar whom ever you are.

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Seriously people if you do not like our way of life then you can leave if you cant tolerate it.

To you your way and to us ours.

A Muslim woman is not allowed to marry anyone but a Muslim man.. A Muslim man on the other hand is allowed to marry a Christian or a Jew woman but no one else other than these two.

I have seen many couple ( married ?? donno) in corniche on fridays .Spending the whole day together,, was wondering would they be hubbys n wives only who cant afford a family accomadation by anychance???.. will be living in bahcelor/spinstr sharings and meeting only on fridays???

Just my doubts.. i just felt so when i saw a srilankan lookin pair and felt sorry for them.

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Live,

Let Live,

& Help Live..

maybe it depends on how he will kiss you..

maybe better not to involve the tongue..

lol

whatever

Sneaking about in car parks and such places, looking to see who's doing what to who, is known as 'dogging'!

Definitions of Dogging on the Web:

The watching of couples having sex in parked cars.

:D

kissing on the cheeks as i have come to know here is permitted in public, you see pple doing it without any problem...

that's what u call Qatarded mentality... ^_^

I agree tallg- if it's a legal marriage, between a man and a woman (thus avoiding sticky issues about homosexuality, as I believe that's still illegal here, correct?), why should it matter what their religions are? and moreover- if you ARE going to shun them based on having a mixed-religion marriage, why shoudl that make their marriage illegal?

Formatted Soul - Singapore Freedom at the Best :)

BTW - Did you take the MRT by any chance. You can see the colour of the panties of the girl who are sitting in the Opposite seat of you:)Very normal

Ban Spoon Feeding not Me

So we're all agreed they shouldn't have been kissing in public.

But the issue about the marriage is strange. As Brit said, how come they were allowed into the country if their marriage wasn't recognised? Why were they even asked what their religion was? Why does Qatar have a right to dismiss someone's marriage as null and void just because it doesn't fit in with their ideals. Abiding to a countries laws out of respect for their culture is one thing, but to arrive here and find out that they don't recognise your marriage is really something else.

qatarisun, i can tell you that i see that everywhere here in qatar these days.. just go out to the malls on a weekend and you see young girls all dressed to kill sometimes even arabic girls are doing it these days. but majority are always western girls dressed in a provocative manner...

I understand respecting the culture, so the following comment is more a critique of social trends in general, as i've seen the same sort of anti-pda comments on forums back home too..

people need to get over it. So they kissed- so what? I think that's fine for kids to see; I certainly saw my parents embrace when I was a child, and others as well- it teaches kids that, le gasp, human beings can have physical contact in a nice, not totally sexual, way! By being so shocked and appalled by a couple say, holding hands in public, all you're doing is telling kids there is somethign wrong about wanting human contact, and that all interaction with another person is always about sex. which it's not.

end of rant :)

there is so much around to see and still ppl complain I AM BORED IN DOHA when you are having LIVE screening :D

I noticed that lately I even cannot look at the couples holding hands . I feel like there is something wrong. Other day I saw the guy, holding his hand on the girl’s shoulder and hugging her. I literally didn’t feel well watching it… that’s how the culture and norms are coming into your bones and blood…

it concerns the way you dress as well..

..when last summer I went to Toronto for my vacation, my girlfriend met me at the airport, I would say, half naked: very very short skirt, strapless top and slippers (it was very hot day), like as she forgot to put the dress on :).. It was sooo unusual to see a girl in the very public place with this type of clothes.. I joked, I said: in Qatar you would have been arrested big time…probably lashed and deported as well.. :)she quitely ignored my comment :):)

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“You become responsible forever for what you have tamed”. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

I once saw near my house in a car in broad daylight....geez...are they so desperate? LOL

when we went to Singapore..it was so awkward to see couples kissing in public places..it makes us feel uncomfortable in front of kids….had to make him close his eyes in the train..lol

Gosh!!!so much about religion always... yes it is wrong to disrespect the law here and go kissing in public, but i do not see anything wrong in their marriage... my opinion pls...

lol owen...

lol, what was that I said about creepy weirdos??

lol.. is that a new hobby of yours darude? :D

[img_assist|nid=12867|link=none|align=left|width=|height=0]Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood.

But BeMyBro, Brit made a good point. Why did the Qatar authorities accept the marriage license for them to enter the country, but then not recognize it when the husband and wife kissed?

whom a i, there's really nothing wrong about it.. but the thing is their document to prove their marriage was not acceptable here... now as far as why their document was not accepted here that should be clarified...

[img_assist|nid=12867|link=none|align=left|width=|height=0]Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood.

lol i have seen alot mostly on beaches like umsaeed and wakra and simaysima but never reported just let them had their fun. here in doha you see that too on the dhows port if luck you might find some one.

A muslim woman can not marry a none Muslim man.

if thats done then its one of the two

its ether adultery

or she is not a Muslim anymore.

plain and simple......law of the land...respect it or close the door behind you.

But Darude, there have been people making out in cars who have been arrested.

I think there's a bunch of creepy weirdos here who go around looking in cars and can't wait to call the police.

the problem is, they did it in public forgetting where they are... not all countries tolerate such acts,.. respect for culture and laws is the word...

such an unexperienced couple they were. could have used their car in some parking lot :/

Hmmm...

whats wrong if two people from different religion fall in love anyways?? Love doesn't come with permission...

and oh ya...lol..So does the kissing... :)

where that couple were arrested on the beach, now hand out 'etiquette' leaflets during their Friday brunch :D

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/260868

I've posted the article on the above thread (well the first few paragraphs of it anyway) with a link to the entire article.

That would then become PIA (Pretty indecent Action)

The Pakistanis should be happy :o)

PDA... is the physical demonstration of affection for another person while in the view of others. For example, holding hands or kissing in public are commonly defined as public displays of affection. (More far-reaching forms of intimacy could be considered indecent exposure).

so true.. it's really uncomfortable seeing couple in such behavior...

I do agree with paul & owen.

Being husband and wife it does not mean to expos on the streets! Secondly we have to respect the laws & culture to be part of healthy society!!

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personally, i don't mind seeing couples petting as long as there's no kids around! i grew up where couples make out left and right! but since we are here, we should abide by their laws and moreover, respect their culture!

what could be their possible punishments?

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yes brit,we cant have that now, can we... for sure, they'll soon come barging in here spewing hateful words at each other... yeah wont be long now...

maybe things will be different if the guy is the muslim right? but then kissing in public? definitely wrong.. maybe depends on what type of kissing... i think a smack is fine.. haaa whatever!

wondering the same brit... in which country did they get married btw?

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even if they are married, why in public places given the country where they are?.. for sure they will look upon with such acts....oh well..

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Two diferent issues at play..

Firstly, the idiots should have known better than to "kiss in public" - Rightly or wrongly, its not accepted here.

Secondly, the marriage is "invalid" from an Islamic point of view. Now , we can ask why they were allowed to enter the country with this marriage certificate in the first place, but please let's not get into another religious argument.

though if you are married, dont indluge in PDA, not likened by the general masses and the law too..

utter non-sense..:)

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nah, it's different coming from you.. :P

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i saw once a local couple kissing @ corniche.

they just need a good lawyer. It’s a will known fact in all the middle east that inter religion marriages happens all the time in Israel , Lebanon, Syria & Egypt

charan may be they were poor and not having private room.

You can volunteer to tell the story as you know pretty much of what happened :)

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love doesn't exist...as they say love is the universal language...is it not???

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care to retell the story charan, since i noticed that you've never gone tired repeating this.. :P

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Ever heard of the Philippino married couple who got caught kissing inside their car in Wakra Beach sometime ago :(

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it means that christian are not allowed to marry muslim girls.

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yeah tallg, you're right...

First of all muslim woman can't marry a christian if she , so dont consider her a muslim.my suggestion is just change muslim from passport so you people will not face any problem.

its immoral act in public places you can do the same in your country but not here.

mj - you're right, they were silly to do it in public and should accept the consequences of that. However, I think it's harsh that their marriage certificate isn't being recognised. That will make their punishment even worse.

"We should appeciate this department."

sajjadalikhan - what does that mean?

We should appeciate this department.

Wow.. whats wrong with a muslim women marrying a christian?

Well if they are going to arrest this couple then they should arrest all of the men holding hands all the time.

why couldn't they just do that in private?... surely, people do not need to see....