Egypt sheikh backs women's right to beat husb

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Egypt sheikh backs women's right to beat husbands
Sunni Islam's highest authority has approved a woman's right to fight back if her husband uses violence against her, Egypt's Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper reported on Monday.

The declaration by Sheikh Abdel Hamid Al-Atrash, who heads Al-Azhar University's committee for fatwas or religious rulings, comes after similar rulings by religious leaders in Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

"A wife has the legitimate right to hit her husband in order to defend herself," Sheikh Abdel was quoted as saying.
"Everyone has the right to defend themselves, whether they are a man or a woman... because all human beings are equal before God," he said.

Over the last few days, Saudi Sheikh Abdel Mohsen Al-Abyakan stressed the fact that a wife should resort to "the same kind of violence" as her husband used against her, whether it be with a leather strap or a wire cable, the paper said.

Turkish Sheikh Fathallah Julun went one step further and ruled that a woman should return the violence with interest.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/536236-egypt-sheikh-backs-womens-right-to...

"She should give back two blows for each one received," the paper quoted him as saying.

Rights groups quoted by Amnesty International say that 35 percent of Egyptian women killed per year die as a result of domestic violence.

By mjamille28• 29 Oct 2008 11:48
mjamille28

cheerup? whoever said im feeling sad or upset? i am never like that...

By blablabla• 29 Oct 2008 11:47
blablabla

mjamille, cheerup, em not fighting...

By mjamille28• 29 Oct 2008 11:30
mjamille28

whatever.....

By blablabla• 29 Oct 2008 11:28
blablabla

Men do naturally have tender hearts to deal with tender objects i.e women, otherwise how many women survive real fight with their men?

By mjamille28• 29 Oct 2008 11:21
mjamille28

tender heart? yeah right... the only tender heart i know is from carebears...

By El Zohiry• 29 Oct 2008 11:19
El Zohiry

(key word is COMMON SENSE). this is 100% true. some ppl will think of using this Fatwa in wrong way. i think it is only for the men who don't know that Islam protected the woman in such situations.

By blablabla• 29 Oct 2008 11:18
blablabla

jamil, what if the patient husband constantly tortured by his woman out of exploitation? women do exploit the weeknesses. most men have tender heart..

By El Zohiry• 29 Oct 2008 11:15
El Zohiry

Good for Egyptian ladies....

By mjamille28• 29 Oct 2008 11:07
mjamille28

so, if nobody's there to aide you in these times, do the wife just let the husband beat the crap out of her till she's almost dead? opinions may differ,..

By britexpat• 29 Oct 2008 11:06
britexpat

Well put. The other thing to realise is that this "fatwa" is a type of reminder to men that women should not and must not be abused.

By greentea• 29 Oct 2008 11:03
Rating: 4/5
greentea

i think there is confusion somewhere here. the article says:

"Sunni Islam's highest authority has approved a woman's right to fight back if her husband uses violence against her, Egypt's Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper reported on Monday."

"A wife has the legitimate right to hit her husband in order to defend herself," Sheikh Abdel was quoted as saying.

"Everyone has the right to defend themselves, whether they are a man or a woman... because all human beings are equal before God," he said.

take note of the words: VIOLENCE & SELF DEFENSE

women should fight back when husband uses violence against her for self defense.

and anyway, as i gathered from previous threads, you do not have to always follow what these sheikHs says. we are given intellect so we must use it. key word is COMMON SENSE.

By King Edshel• 29 Oct 2008 10:48
King Edshel

deserve to be hit by a van ...

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

By blablabla• 29 Oct 2008 10:45
blablabla

I think the couple that gets into such a situation deserves to be hit by each other...

By Vegas• 29 Oct 2008 10:37
Vegas

wusses

You can't teach experience...

By larissa99• 29 Oct 2008 10:28
larissa99

So now the Egyptian woman has a motivation to kill her husband: " He punched me, I gave him back, he felt and hit the margin of the table... self defense!" Hope nobody will take me in serious! hahaha...

By Gypsy• 29 Oct 2008 10:24
Gypsy

Well all I know is that if my grandmother had ever hit her husband back she would have been dead as a doornail two seconds later.

By King Edshel• 29 Oct 2008 10:17
King Edshel

I assume that it's just a temporary solution to a temporary situation, but life can't go all the way like that. Both of them should quit, get separated and find a new career in WWF instead ...

I'm talking about an experience, someone i know was having the same issue and both were beating each other ... the end was indeed the divorce but after what? 3 kids in between and the eldest is around 13 years old ... It's just so sad ...

It's kind of a circle, the kid sees his dad beating up his mom as his dad believes that it's his right while it is not. Some do something about it, instead of being bad guys like their fathers they do the opposite and get a better life for their families, but the others continue this circle of violence and do the same :(

It's a matter of unacceptable behavior ...

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

By GodFather.• 29 Oct 2008 10:08
GodFather.

I can and never will lift my hand on a woman.. But in my previous marriage.. I did suffer at the hand of a woman.. So it not only the men but the woman can also be violent..lol

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HE WHO DARES WINS

By anonymous• 29 Oct 2008 10:03
anonymous

fighting back will not solve the problem but aggravate the situation.

I would have interpreted it as "if you think someone is planning to kill you, make your move, kill him first". So, what's the use of laws? Throw it away and tell every woman that if they are beaten by their spouse, don't go to court or to elders, just shot the man and stop the abuse>

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

By Gypsy• 29 Oct 2008 09:55
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

Yes but King Edshel, you and I and everyone knows full well that in a situation where a husband is beating a wife and she hits back, it isn't going to stop the fight, or hurt the husband, it's going to end up with the wife getting more hurt and possibly killed.

By King Edshel• 29 Oct 2008 09:36
King Edshel

it seems that this violence became part of many families lives :S, that is why he accepting this fact because sadly it is happening and based on that he said, they got the right to defend themselves ...

I believe it's common sense, you don't want to fall into one crazy a**wh*** man squeezing your neck to death and you would be just smiling or not fighting back ...

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

By mjamille28• 29 Oct 2008 08:38
mjamille28

tcom,...but i'll still keep your business card with me, if and when the need arises....

By anonymous• 29 Oct 2008 08:36
anonymous

violence can not be cured by violence. Compassion is already a very rare commodity nowadays. They accepted more the saying tooth for a tooth. If they want to push thru with this ruling, then they should just abolish courts because it will just be the "jungle law of survival".

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

By Arien• 29 Oct 2008 08:26
Arien

MJ.. cool. sweet mom you are, i got a 11 year old brat.. use to have a bash on all his Bdays.. Love to see them having fun and him feelin the VIP of the day..lol

Hay pajju.. anytime.. juzz gime a buzz..check pm for ma no.

By t_coffee_or_me• 28 Oct 2008 21:52
t_coffee_or_me

Don't worry But I pray that you will get a sweet husband just as sweet as me

 

 

 

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By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:47
mjamille28

bye pajju...

By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:46
Pajju

k guys ciao laters bye bye all

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:45
mjamille28

it was great Arien, thanks....the kids had so much fun and they were all friends with my daughter so they all had laughs....

By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:42
Pajju

lol Arien its my way :) so when we goin to meet ? :P

By Arien• 28 Oct 2008 21:41
Arien

pajju boyy.. straight from gym and wine..???bad boy

Mj..how dd the birthday go??

By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:38
Pajju

k dude takecare n sweet dreams :) g nite

By who.am.i• 28 Oct 2008 21:36
who.am.i

gotta get some sleep.. ciao!

cheers,

paul

By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:34
Pajju

t_coffee_or_me appointment plz :)

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:33
mjamille28

lol, tcom,...hold that thought... if i ever get in such a situation, i might just look you up...

By t_coffee_or_me• 28 Oct 2008 21:31
t_coffee_or_me

Hire me but I am not cheap lol

 

 

 

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By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:30
Pajju

its nice MJ

By nadt• 28 Oct 2008 21:28
nadt

well its not a matter of getting your fingers dirty, i see his comment as a way of getting out of that situation, when he is actually beating her up.

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:26
mjamille28

we didn't give a party at home pajju, we celebrated it in school with her teachers and classmates...

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:25
mjamille28

i dont mind getting my hands dirty, as long as i get even with him,..or better yet, i'll hire somebody to do it..... ;)

By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:24
Pajju

MJ really me and ma wife wish to be there but u dint invt for party :(( lolz

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:22
mjamille28

well said nadt...

and yes pajju, she enjoyed her day especially the presents....

By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:22
Pajju

lol greentea from office i used to :)

By greentea• 28 Oct 2008 21:21
greentea

wine is good for health too taken in moderation... just dont forget to drink green tea though, it's a good antioxidant ;)

By nadt• 28 Oct 2008 21:20
Rating: 5/5
nadt

Arien "But its not right from the part of a ruler to declare war between the ones who are suppose to live together."

Unfortunately if a man is beating the hell out of his wife, the war has already started. The abuser can probably manage to work on his "togethernes", after he has removed his fist from her face, thats if she manages to surive the incident. The point here is a lot of men think its acceptable for a man to hit a woman and she has to accept it, because she probably did something to deserve it. The sheikh is stating that no its not ok, and its ok for a woman to defend herself if the need arises. This is a refreshing opinion, and advice, epsecially from a sheikh..

By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:18
Pajju

MJ ur baby enjoyed her birthday ? greentea am goin to have redwine lolz

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:17
mjamille28

9:17 pm pajju...

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:16
mjamille28

yes Xena, i agree to that....we can always do it in your sleep, huh we'll get all the more creative...

brutal" hell, that's nothin' compared to what some husbands do to their wives...

By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:16
Pajju

MJ wats time there now ? :P

By greentea• 28 Oct 2008 21:15
greentea

but given a chance, i just might ... =))

By Pajju• 28 Oct 2008 21:14
Pajju

lol u gals still here ? lolz i just back from GYM :P

By who.am.i• 28 Oct 2008 21:13
who.am.i

that's brutal..

i wonder if you often do that

to your boyfriend. kiddin! *laughs*

cheers,

paul

By Xena• 28 Oct 2008 21:13
Xena

" hmmmm i am 6.2 and pretty well build , do you think her 2 blows can do any damage ???"

You have to sleep sometime... right?

Nothing that a rope and frying pan couldn't fix....

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

 

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By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:12
mjamille28

yes greentea,..exactly....

By greentea• 28 Oct 2008 21:10
greentea

be gentle... slap back with a bread in hand... BUT... dont forget to put it in a glass bottle

By who.am.i• 28 Oct 2008 21:08
who.am.i

"Everyone has the right to defend themselves"

okay, so married men out there, be careful.. :))

if i'd have my own, i won't hurt her. i swear. :))

cheers,

paul

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 21:05
mjamille28

well not me....

By britexpat• 28 Oct 2008 21:03
britexpat

The sad thing is that many women think like you, but when the get into an abusive relationship, they allow their partner to abuse them..

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 20:52
mjamille28

i just hope this doesn't happen to me in case i ever get married,..coz if it does, heaven help me, i will not give up without a fight...just cant allow someone to treat me like a punching bag...

By Arien• 28 Oct 2008 18:12
Arien

Kee32.. I understand your point it should never be tolerated I repeat.

But its not right from the part of a ruler to declare war between the ones who are suppose to live together.

By Vegas• 28 Oct 2008 18:06
Vegas

You can't teach experience...

By Kee32• 28 Oct 2008 18:00
Kee32

So should a wife just sit there and let some idiot beat the crap out of her? I'm pretty certain if most of us were hit/hurt we'd fight back. What is wrong with telling women to defend themselves exactly?

By Arien• 28 Oct 2008 17:58
Rating: 2/5
Arien

Soon he will give free restling training too to the youngones due to marry...

Come on.. Physical abuse on wives shouldnt be tolerated at all and should be punished if braught in to the notice for sure.

But Encouraging the wife to fight back sounds stupid..

By Kee32• 28 Oct 2008 17:44
Kee32

He is promoting the notion that if some cowardly men hit a woman, she has every right to defend herself. I think its excellent and really forward thinking to even say this. He deserves our applause.

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 17:29
mjamille28

who's Gamila? i dont see anyone here by that name...

By Arien• 28 Oct 2008 17:27
Arien

Absolutely rght.. This will make things worse, He should rather be imposing strong laws on physical abuse.

All egyptian wifies following will end up in ICUs soon.

Immatured sheik

By sunset244• 28 Oct 2008 17:10
sunset244

god bless u Gamila.

By sunset244• 28 Oct 2008 17:08
sunset244

its equality between both sex

By Malvolio• 28 Oct 2008 13:11
Malvolio

I do not think that Egyptian women were actually waiting for this ecclesiastical approval prior to whopping their hubbys left right and center.

By darkskindeep• 28 Oct 2008 12:41
darkskindeep

X-actly well said hippie ..

he never went like " stop the abuse , stop hitting your wifes get a hobby you pricks "

but is like " you women can now watch WWF and go at it with your vicious hairy psychotic husbands "

some thing is defiantly wrong here !!!

and why exactly ?? i mean if he says so ..

don't Islam teach you all that . Don't u pricks know it is wrong to raise your hand on a women ( you will burn in hell for it ) .. don't Islam spread love and forgiveness not hate and violent wife beatings ??

what is wrong with us ??

is is the media ? Internet ? movies ? music videos ? OJ ? Norman bates ? ...

By Gypsy• 28 Oct 2008 12:31
Gypsy

Shouldn't he be promoting NO violence in a marriage :S

By darkskindeep• 28 Oct 2008 12:00
darkskindeep

Good thing i am not living in Egypt ya ^_"^

but!! it says nothing bout letting your Wifes out of their cages eh.

hmmmm i am 6.2 and pretty well build , do you think her 2 blows can do any damage ???

By tara_thesouthernpeach• 28 Oct 2008 11:04
Rating: 2/5
tara_thesouthernpeach

Now if women only had access to justice we would all be A-okay.

Right on to the scholar though

By anonymous• 28 Oct 2008 11:00
anonymous

Pity I didn't know that when I was married lol lol.

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 10:51
mjamille28

lol smoke......should teach them a lesson not to beat up on women...

By smoke• 28 Oct 2008 10:49
smoke

OK thats enough from you jamille, Zeus Christ give you women a finger and you grab the whole hand! I think now a lot of Egyptians are going to come to Qatar looking for friendsheep from open minded ladies ahem! ahem!

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

_[]~SMoKE~[]_

 

By someonenew• 28 Oct 2008 10:39
someonenew

I think I'll move to Egypt:)

I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 10:35
mjamille28

lol we can always get revenge when the husband sleeps,... cut out his willie or something... :P

By anonymous• 28 Oct 2008 10:33
anonymous

if you are not strong to hit then use the rocks

By smoke• 28 Oct 2008 10:32
smoke

but u dont understand she goes and meows at other KATS she deserves a good clawing :) keeps the love alive u see.

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

_[]~SMoKE~[]_

 

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 10:31
mjamille28

lol smoke, i wouldn't wanna marry a man who claws out a mrs kitty anyway...

By smoke• 28 Oct 2008 10:28
smoke

OMG jamillie remind me to remind u to NOT marry ME :(

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

_[]~SMoKE~[]_

 

By britexpat• 28 Oct 2008 10:22
britexpat

Well said Sheikh..

Perhaps now some men will realise that a wife is not chattel to be used and abused..

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 10:21
Rating: 3/5
mjamille28

slap his wife around and still get a hot plate of supper huh... oh he'll get it alright, a nice hot plate with sprinkles of cyanide in it...

By realsomeone• 28 Oct 2008 10:20
Rating: 2/5
realsomeone

Well Said Sheikh. of course wife is a human being and has every right to self defense from a violent husband.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

By smoke• 28 Oct 2008 10:17
smoke

SILENCE WOMEN! sheesh i bet that sheikh's wife beat some sense into him lol! Damn gone are the days a man could just slap his wife around and still get a nice hot plate of supper...and here i was sharpening my claws to do the same to Mrs Kitty tonight :(

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

_[]~SMoKE~[]_

 

By lovinni• 28 Oct 2008 10:08
Rating: 5/5
lovinni

now this makes SENSE! we should not allow anyone esp husband to treat their wife as thrash or slaves! physical abuse should not be tolerated!

I think I've discovered the secret of life - you just hang around until you get used to it.  ~Charles Schulz

By mjamille28• 28 Oct 2008 09:59
mjamille28

..."Everyone has the right to defend themselves, whether they are a man or a woman... because all human beings are equal before God,".. agree to that...

..."She should give back two blows for each one received," the paper quoted him as saying.-- can we give 10 blows for each one received? ;)

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