Racism in profession
I didnt know there was this amount of Racism in Qatar, until I joined QL. Almost everyday I see an add in the classified saying "lebanese only, filipino only, indian only, western only... yada yada" not just in something that requires their language or skills but also in other things like houses for rent or any other thing... I understand that sometimes when the languages r required or certain skills are required they can be specific about nationalities like say for example persians r known for making carpets or pakistanis r known for making their traditional food or something that requires skill that comes form the countries or traditions. But what about an assistant or accountant or graphic desinger or manager or whatever that has to do with the person's education... What is up with the racism there???
My question is What does profession have to do with your nationality???
Bro this kind of crap happens all the time, I'm not being mir nor spice me up, they are extremists, I'm defensive. I am sharing experiance, not forcing anyone
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No human can stop racism and its easier to make a deaf hear u than an ignorant.
OMG. I like you, but you're beginning to sound like Mir/SpiceMeUp.
People recruit their own kind, right or wrong, it's for easier communication, not racism!
I get charged more because people hear my british accent, that's not racism, that opportunism!
I get charged more for rent because Lebanese prefer to live with lebanese, that to isn't racism.
Please, drop the racism thing in this subject because it isn't true!
Please correct me if wrong, but I heard that one needs to be a member to enter "The Pearl Lounge" at the Marriott in Doha. That sounded understandable. The catch though, was if you were of "European" descent then they would overlook that stipulation. Hey, set me straight if I'm wrong.
that racism exist, not just in work environment but overall, but sticking with the subject, specifications 4 certain jobs r essential, regardless of ur nationality, is 4 a person 2 excel in their jobs, people get abused regardless, is a shame!!
At times, also specifying a nationality is as a result of available visas. It is not always easy to obtain visas for certain nationalities from the concerned authorities.
for me as long as you can perform the job regardless of ur nationality its ok for me...
Filipinos are known for being dedicated & hard workers!
It just so sad that most of them are being abused. (based on experienced???) lol
"Even if LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."
in our company they also observing this... they giving more chances to "_ _ Y _ _ _ _ _ S" specially if ur a girl! (lol!) even their not qualified for the job because thats also my boss nationality.
And for him "_ _ D _ _ _ S" are stupid workers! see how CRAZY he is???!!!
"Even if LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."
i noticed that too...
"Even if LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."
Nah Knspet, I believe in fairness and i hate racism, hence I fight racism... just cuz i fight for the right cause doesnt mean someone hurt my feelings lol.
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No human can stop racism and its easier to make a deaf hear u than an ignorant.
It's just funny for the last couple of days I am bumping on the same bla bla bla disscusion about rasicm ,started by the same person!What is your problem with rasicm thexonic!!!Did someboy hurt you feelings!You are taking it too personal and making such a big deal of it!
could be genuine reasons for seeking a particular nationality.
If the job would be dealing with (say) French companies, it would be logical to ask for a native French speaker (French or Tunisian, Algerian, Lebanese etc).
It wouldn 't be much good asking for a Filipino would it.
Hey just for my info, where is that '10 yr old's British friend' something thread? That one was really having a good racial potential....lol....Thexonic, even I wanted to call you there and share my Son's tryst with racism right here in Doha.....
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i face this too..The landlord always aware of who will stay in their house. Most of the time i have to explain of customer who called me, this property is only for european family or american. As requested from the Owner..that is so hard to say.. I went to my client office, he asked me if i can recommend him some indian secretary that is having master degree. It was big company though. The only reason he tell me because they pay them low.. Thats painful..
Yes monkies getting paid peanuts in UK moving to Doha for better salaries!
to attract the people.......
you pay Peanuts...You get monkies
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I am giving an example.
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All of us have to leave all that you've talked about and work in the exact same environment that you do too.
The only difference is your salary in your country is more than my salary in my country(I'm not generalising just talking about you and me)
Just a point !!
wheres ricardo123 ??
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thexonic this is why i really appreciate the recruitment policy in hmc. you are first invited to do a locum wherein they pay you salary ,transport and take care of your food and accomodation and in return you work with them for a month.
if you like it there you can apply to stay.
if the company likes you,they would offer you a post.
if not both can part company ,no strings attatched.
so you know exactly what you are getting into.
also it is essential i would say because with people having medical qualifications from over 54 countries, you have to be sure of whom you are recruiting.
do it right - the first time!
ok first of all lets put this in consideration...
Employes from west calculate in dollars, as in if they would earn as much or more than they were earning in europe or america or canada... the basic salaries for example of a guy working at a resturant is approx. 8 dollars an hour/40 hours a week... which sums upto around 1800 dollars a month, from which they pay taxes... so basically they earn a minimum of 5000 riyals. So if they come here they would expect atleast more than they were earning back home.
Where as in east, the basic salary is around 400 dollars a month in lebanon and around 5000 rupees in pakistan of an accountant or a teacher. which comes up to around 1500 riyals max... so even if they would earn upto around 1000 dollars a month, they appriciate it...
In conclusion, lets not get into the people who expect salaries, instead lets look at those who give salaries. Now these people pick workers based on their budget. If its a low budget company they will give low salaries and they should do it for anyone around the world, not just pick indians or pakistanis or jordanians or lebanese... but also pick westerners and I do have a friend who is from the west and earns a low salary... the question is not about salaires or people from what part of the world get high or low salaries, but the nationalities and race...
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Back in the Uk, i was earning around BD 1000 a week, before tax. I rented a nice 3 bed house with garden in a quiet cul de sac. I had a decent motor, friends and a damn good social life.
So to leave all that, give up my house, sell my car, move halfway round the world, to start work in a completely alien enviroment, lose the rights to free medical care, a pension when i retire (which ive paid into all my working life) and a pretty restrictive working enviroment, it has to be worth my while...Hence as a rule, Westerners are paid higher salaries.
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this kind of "jerks" you can meet everywhere... he even could pay him 10 times more...or even he can give him money for nothing, just as a gift... it is HIS business .. but it doesn't mean you were underpaid... you got your regular salary, and the other guy was overpaid, coz that's how the owner wants...
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I was working as a graphic desinger for 6 months at a printing press and the jerk used to pay me half the salary that he paid the guy from his own country, when he had no experiance in graphics, he didnt know what was to be done and I had to train him.
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why the Eglish language teachers are paid here like nowhere in the world?? they for sure are not paid the same in UK! why? because Qatar WANTS THEM to teach english! Qatar wants native english speaking teacher and not indian for example...
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i liked your 2 dirhams..lol... yes, what you are saying it's a situation on the MARKET... If i make in my country $5000 i won't come here for $2000, right? and if the Company wants me (my educational level, my professional skills, my English, my performance, my knowledge of the western way of managing the business) , they have to pay me at least $6000... it is a market issue, not a discrimination
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Abt picking a guy hu had only a bachelor's over someone with a PhD it depends on whthr the job profile asked for a higher qualification.
For eg. if it was an entry level position or somethin like tht they dont need a Ph D guy...
Someone overqualified may defenitely be overlooked during recruitment... n tht does not necessarily be racism!!
Who dares,wins!
I never say things without my research, I was actually working in that company few years ago and the resume's went thru me cuz i was the assistant. Is there any more side left to see???
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Despite trying very hard to level the playing field and outlaw discrimination....it still happens even in places like Canada....where equaly qualified women for instance, get paid less (generally) than their male counterparts for the same job!
What is most shocking is not that there IS dicrimination.....but how blatantly obvious it is over here!
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
its not all to do with racism.one of the reasons often mentioned is the higher cost of living in the west.hence it is difficult to attract good western talent unless they are suitably compensated.
i have an american colleague who gets an extra 3000riyal as a kind of social allowance.
i dont grudge her that and since having visited the usa last year i feel she ought to get more.
do it right - the first time!
I dont object on Qatariasation, but we are not talking about Qatari's in general here, we are talking about racisim. Even Qatari's do it themselves, like they have people working at a very high position who have blank look on their faces and nothing gets done in time, instead of hiring an educated person for the time being to get the work done, even if its temporary.
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big profits, small expenses.
And i believe that the price of living in different counties is also a factor...Living in UK is bloody expensive, thus, most salaries are higher before stoppages.
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that might be a reason
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My Husband has a christian name. And he does not have an Indian accent. When he spoke over the phone to a company that was hiring they told him to go over to their office and attend an interview becasue they are desperately looking for people. When he went to the office, one look at him and they told him they dont have any openings at this time. Now my husband has worked with international firms around the world for a long time and he had never expericned this kind of treatment before and he was shocked when it happened in Doha
i can think of two things in terms of finding a specific nationality for accomodation (been discussed before many times) its about being with someone of ur own country, culture etc...u tend to get along better with someone who comes from ur own country (doesnt always work that way)
In terms of employment its all about who can get the job done better or cheaper. Indians will work for half the salary that is offered to a Western. A western wont work for half the salary offered to a Indian. Sometimes educations doesnt matter...its not racisim. :) just my two dhirams.
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The very existance of a pay scale related to nationality is contrary to free market labour practices.
Why are Indian guys in Canada not paid less than Arabs (just to use your example)? Because Salary is commensurate with skills and experience and NOT nationality! And that's the way it SHOULD be....but we all know that this is not the case in the middle east.
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
Thexonic...if u consider this country's population thers a much higher no' of expats than qataris, n they needed expats to fill in the positions coz they din hav enuf people hu fit in the profile offered.
Having said tht I do see ur point abt askin for ppl in the same ethnic/regional origin....but this is only to avoid incompatibilities tht might arise later due to a difference in preferences.
Dont u think it wud b much better to hav someone hu can adapt rather than hu is forced to adapt/compromise at a later stage!
I know its far from a perfect/ideal scenario where everyone understands and reconciles with each other's differances...but if it works...
Who dares,wins!
Qataris could NOT have picked other Qataris for ALL vacancies that they need to fill.. it is just impossible. There are NO as many QATARIS as vacancies in this country ..lol... and don't forget, qataris just started get educated... it was not in their priority and habit at all... but maybe in another 2-3 generations they won't need us anymore....
and that's what Qatar is doing now... qatarisation.. did you hear about it? if two persons with the similar set of skills apply for the same position, they DEFINITELY will give priority to QATARI! hello! wake up! and btw, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!! i really respect it.
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How would u know that I just heard one side of the story??? do i look that stupid?
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guy half the salary for the same job.
My friend worked in Oman for 4 years, he built up the clients, and was working at full capacity.
When all this was established, and all the hard work had been done, his Omani employer replaced him with an Indian guy, who was willing to work for an quarter of my friends salary.
Thats the way life can be sometimes......
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I got an email asking if I could send a picture...and I was flabergasted LOL
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
The OP was talking about how it relates to your profession!
Great point SuperXpat.....
I can understand your required skillset being so specific that maybe only certain nationalities have a chance to be hired for that position....BUT the SAME job will often pay a "Westerner" more than it would pay an "Eastener"?? And that is just plain unbelieveable!
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
i thought you were talking about ACCOMMODATION ads..
so then I agree with you....
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that's what I always say.. in Canada you don't indicate your religion in CV, marital status, your age... it is prohibited to attach your photo as well....They even can NOT ask you straight about these detail during the interview...
but hey.. CANADA is CANADA!!!!!
and by the way.. at the end of the day, anyway they choose whoever they want!! LOL....
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Its not right. Especially paying people depending on their colour/caste/religion.
Possibly it's an indirect way of indicating the salary range ...
If that is the case then why r we all working in this country?? Qatari's could have picked other Qatari's right?? why choose people from all over the world?
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Yup I agree with that too
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No human can stop racism.
we have discussed it 100 times...people want to live with someone who they CAN understand easier.... what's wrong with that???
when Christmas is coming, i want to put home a Christmas tree without being hated by my roommate.. is that clear?
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Not in terms of ethnicity,but in terms of education....i'm trying to be delicate here, but lets just say that not all countries education systems are equal and therefore the skillsets their graduates would have would be vastly different!
The correct way of doing it though is to list specifically the skillset you need and do not mention nationality (because there are exceptions like poeple who study abroad, etc..)!
But I DO agree with you that sometimes you see a preference listed that has nothing to do with what's required, and that's just plain wrong!
There are MANY things here related to hiring that would be just plain wrong (not to mention) ILLEGAL back home (Canada)...for instance what's up with asking people their religion? How does that affect their job performance or qualifications???
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
But its not limited to that.. A friend of mine has a phd, but he's an arab and he applied to this company, but didnt get in... they picked an indian guy who only had a bachlores degree, cuz the management was indian aswell...
They think that others are not humans or they are less capable... discminiation.
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you are right Thex
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Not just racism but genderism sometimes.
I know I dont' understand.
It's not racism. It's merely people choosing to associate with people of similar origin. There's less cultural strain that way.
I have no problem with people opting to stay in a comfort zone. Everyone is not equally socially adaptable.
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u r very right..brother
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