The Gas Chambers
Questions by Antonio Pitamitz To Robert Faurisson (Storia Illustrata, August 1979)
Translated by Vivian Bird
Antonio Pitamitz: Monsieur Faurisson, for some time now in France—and not only in France—you have found yourself at the center of a bitter controversy resulting from certain things which you have asserted on the subject of what is still one of the most somber pages in the history of the Second World War. We refer to the extermination of the Jews on the part of the Nazis. In particular, one of your assertions appears as dogmatic as it is incredible. Is it true that you deny that the gas chambers ever existed?
Answer
I assert, in fact, that these famous alleged homicidal “gas chambers” are nothing but a tall story of wartime. This invention of wartime propaganda is comparable to the widespread legends of the First World War about “Teutonic barbarism.” The Germans were then already accused (in the First World War) of completely imaginary crimes; of Belgian children with hands cut off; crucified Canadians; corpses turned into soap.[1] The Germans, I suppose, said similar things about the French.
German concentration camps did really exist but the whole world knows that they were not original or unique to the Germans. Crematorium ovens have also existed in certain of these camps, but incineration is no more offensive or criminal than burial. The crematorium ovens even constitute progress from the sanitary point of view where there was a risk of epidemics. Typhus ravaged the whole of wartime Europe. The majority of corpses which are shown to us in photos are clearly the corpses of typhus victims. These photos illustrate the fact that the internees—and sometimes the guards—died of typhus. They prove nothing other than this. To exploit the fact that the Germans at times used crematorium ovens is not very honest. In asserting this one counts on the repulsion or feeling of unease and disquiet felt by people accustomed to burial and not to incineration. Imagine an oceanic population accustomed to burning its dead. Tell such a people that you bury your own and you will appear a kind of savage. Perhaps they would even suspect that in Europe persons “more or less alive” are placed in the earth! One displays one’s complete dishonesty when, in the same way, one presents as homicidal “gas chambers” the fumigation chambers (autoclaves) which were in reality used for the disinfecting of garments by gas. This never clearly formulated accusation has now been almost totally abandoned, but in certain museums or in certain books we are still confronted with a photo of one of these autoclaves, sited at Dachau, with an American soldier in front, about to decipher the time-table for gassings
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(Interesting eh? - See the attached Document for reading any further)
where the ppl were trained to be ruthless and uncompassionate also you have to consider that the Japanese had never signed the Geneva Convention
Calamities and massacres are common since the dawn of human civilization
Why the focus has stayed on the Jews and why does the world have to suffer with the lack of information on the other mishaps and attrocities in the world is something that i cannot comprehend
I was going through the pictures of the nanking massacre and truly the Japs make the Germans look nothing more dangerous than a bunch of street hooligans.
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Not true Charging, the Nazi's did medical experimentation on the Jews and other inmates as well. In fact the vast majority of what we know today about human thresholds for pain came from experiments conducted by the Nazi's.
Also having lived in North East Asia, I can tell you that attitudes about such things as apologies are very very different to our Western (or even Middle Eastern) concepts of an apology. You'll never see an apology about this, it's a matter of honour.
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adey, just as a comment, doing a copy paste job since many people don't like to go to external websites:
in the sense of comparing this to the Nazi Holocaust I think this is
worse in the sense of their methods, amendments and attitude. I think
the Nazi genocide was much colder in the sense there was no emotion, no
thrill nor impulse to kill them. It was cold-blooded, organised and
meant to be over and done with. But in nanking (and within the
sino-japanese war) they turned the murder into a sport, science and
interest. They did operation on chinese people while they were alive,
purposefully introduced diseases as a form of experiment and used China
as their living laboratory. They even tortured people till they died.
Now as for methods, in Nanking the victims were shot, raped,
bayonetted, beaten, bludgeoned, pinned against walls until they were
dead. Now compare this to Nazi methods: gassed to death, worked to
death, shot and executed (almost immediate death). True the Nazis may
have killed and tortured but the main cause of death was the gassing or
being shot. Which compared to being bludgeoned, bayonetted or tortured
to death seems more lenient. And after the Holocaust, apologies made,
compensation was paid, the new generations were educated about the
Holocaust, the criminals were charged and penalised. But none of this
happened for Nanking. No compensations, war crime charges or education
ever happened. Not even a simple apology.
Well the one big difference between Japan's war crimes, Stalin's (to a certain extent), the present activity of Israel etc, and the Nazis is simple, it's a matter of intent.
The numbers are irrelevant, it is the intent; Being, the complete eradication of a people, men women and children to the point that they would be wiped out totally in the whole area controlled by Germany at the time, and any other areas they planned on obtaining.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
"The Jews have done an excellent job of keeping their misery and
persecution in the public eye. There is no reason that the Arabs
couldn't do the same with the resources they have. It has to do with
developing a common agenda and committing your resources to it."
I agree.
Like I said i think its JUST as absurd to jail people for questioning figures as it is to deny the whole thing.
Now as for why the spotlight is on the holocaust and not greater tragedies....let me ask you this:
How many Native media tycoons do you know? LOL
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Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
I agree with you RR and PM, that denying holocaust is like playing in their hands, but there are many people like me who perfectly accept the holocaust as a tragedy, but seriously doubt the figures given by the propaganda machinery. Threre is no reason we have to keep the decision binary, i.e., either accept the holocaust with 6 million figure, or you're denying it.
I just think that by putting their case with such exaggerated numbers is one means of gaining the sympathy and win the public opinion of the world.
By the way, apart from the topic, does somebody know the reason why the tragedy with the jews is remembed with such consistency and sympathy every year, whereas even bigger tragedies, e.g., with native Americans and Chinese (10 million of them killed by Japan around 2nd WW according to my Chinese friend, but I'm not sure), seldom make it out today?
Technical glytch which seems to have been sorted...thanks for your understanding.
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If this were the case of normal lawful immigration (like people do to Canada for instance) then yes absolutely, you would be 100% correct in that the goal is to assimilate them into the ONE government and society....
But surely you can see how this was not the case here!
There was a deliberate attempt to divide the nation, weaken it along religious (sectarian even), tribal, and fake political lines until the land could be usurped for the Jewish Diaspora.
Sykes-picot and the Balfor Declaration were no accidents....colonial powers have been doing it for ages....we were a weak and fracticious nation and so it succeeded.....but that does not mean we have to surrender and accept Israel so called "right" to exist!
And denying the holocaust is a tool that plays into their hands by immediately making us look like non credible inhuman zealots....of course it happened and of course it does not justify the existence of the state of Israel!
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Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
But in a realisitic scenario it is only political
These politicians only care about there chairs not about the people
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Hmmm, would these million muslims have citzenship? If so then they would be able to vote in their own government.
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Israelis bought the land from these arab peasants (during the reign of the English empire) and hence have a right over it
The problem is the mis managment of the affairs of the people and i blame the present governments for that. Practically speaking one of these governments doesnt need to exist.
If a million muslims migrate to Seychelles - do they have the right to setup a government.
the same way a unified government should have been formed when the jews migrated to palestine. Instead of splitting the community into two halves
But the british have done this in every country they have ever ruled over.
Why arent there morrocon jews and Muslims living together in harmony
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To Isreal it is both....because I believe there to be little difference between religion and politics in Israel (Judaism and Zionism)....but from our side I think it is NATIONALISTIC only because:
It affects Christian Palestinians and does not affect Muslim Malaysians!
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Why does it have the right to exist then if its purely political?
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I think the issues are intertwined and I do think its a NATIONALISTIC struggle and not a purely religious one....but I guess you and I disagree over Israel's right to exist!
But this has nothing to do with the holocaust!
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Hmmm....I agree with Pm in that I think Arabs think it's best to deny the Holocaust because they think it diminishes Israels claim to the region. But not neccessarily Muslims.
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In all of these posts where the heck did u see religion come as an issue of discussion
Oh please we are just discussing history here - Anyway Israel and palestine deserve to stay where they are but the constant fighting has to stop - Atleast thats what i believe
Because the fight for palestine is a Political fight not A religious one
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I KNOW you were just pointing out the article and never claimed it as your own view.....I was talking in general....it was my response to those who DO believe that the holocaust never existed.
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If u read further u will see that the guy says that these people who were put in the gas chambers were already dead and the reason they were burnt was so that the diseases which were ramp-ant in the camps do not spread
Once again its not my views, its just a part of the reading
There is an ATTACHMENT - if u people want to read any further
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You guys are accusing me as if i agree to these claims
It was just some reading i was doing and thought that i shud share it wtih others
Why? - to show what diverse views people have on diverse issues
Did i say these beliefs are held by me also
By the way Richard123 - the most famous of these veterans is Paul Rassinier - a french political activist. On April 7, 1945, he was evacuated from Dora on what became a death train, endlessly traveling the German rail network from one bombed-out destination to another, with no food, water or shelter. After several days, as the train rounded a bend and in spite of his terrible physical condition, he jumped off and thanks to the angle, escaped the S.S. gunfire. American soldiers rescued him the next day.
Source - Historique des Unités Combattantes
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I am very honoured to meet a neice of a War Hero at a Qatar Bar:) Truely honoured.
I wasn't trying to imply that this is any sort of justification for these crimes against humanity.
Unfortunately, they are neither the first, nor the last....nor even the worst crimes for that matter.....humans can be so vicious....its disheartening sometimes.
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I don't believe 6 million were killed in the gas chambers, I believe 6 million died in the concentration camps and the ghettos of starvation and disease. I thought I read somewhere that they estimate only a couple hundred thousand would have been killed in the chambers.
But to me locking someone in a room to be killed by gas, or locking someone in a camp to die of starvation is still a death on your hands.
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Gosh next you will be telling us that
a) the Rwandans just tripped over and scraped themselves
b) Darfur is a media invention
c) Stalin had a bad PR officer
My Grandfather went in to liberate POWs in Germany......
lets put it like this - the ovens weren't for baking pizza.
You said
"by the way these points of view are held by many war veterans " I don't think this is true at all. Probably the only war veterans who share those points of view are those who are guilty of, or accused of war crimes of genocide.
What Gypsy said was true. German records were meticulous. Anyone trying to deny the holocaust or reduce its impact is doing this for their own trouble making reasons certainly not from reasons to do with fact or record keeping.
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I have read about n seen fotos about these camps...n I do believe that its quite audacious to even think tht such a thing (involving millions of ppl)could be cooked up n not real...!
But wht I cannot understand is what would anyone gain by saying that such a holocaust is a work of fiction...I mean even the perpetrators themselves have not denied tht such a thing happened, have they?
Who dares,wins!
But there are a lot of things about this chapter in human history which bother me:
1) How some people say these camps never existed, when clearly there is evidence that they did.
2) How the 6 million figure is now not even allowed to be questioned (I mean jailing people for challenging the details? come on!)....re: what gypsy said....maybe German records can help, but to blame all the missing on the gas chambers to me is just propaganda (surely some died of diseases, malnutrition, old age, etc, etc...).
3) Lets say for arguments sake it is 6 million....how many people know that Stalin killed more Ukranians alone than that figure????
4) How the European guilt over this tragedy in any way justifies what is done to the Palestinians??
Still, no matter which way you slice it....to imprison and then execute civilians is barbaric and cannot be justified in any way shape or form....regarless of the numbers, method of execution, etc...
It is a chapter in history we HOPE will never be reapeated, but the reality is unfortuntely not so humane!
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i was just pointing to something interesting i came across
by the way these points of view are held by many war veterans
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From what I understand the figure of 6 million came from the meticulous notes the Germans kept. They recorded the name/d.o.b/ etc of everyone who went into the camps, so when the Allies liberated they simply checked off who in those lists was still alive. The figure came out to 6 million unaccounted for.
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There is an extreme at one side who totally reject holocaust, and
there is another extreme who will always connect the holocaust with the
figure of 6 million. I have always wondered why people, who accept such brutalities on part of Nazis in second world war, also have to accept that victims were 6 millions.
My opinion is that it's truth + propaganda mixed, i.e., while a lot of people, mostly jews, were killed, the number of victims is way too much exaggerated for achieving ulterior motives. It has never been proved (although spread a lot), and what makes it more ridiculous is that a few European countries will imprison a historian who does his research and comes out with a figure of, say 2 million.
Exactly vignale. My grandfather (also not a Jew) liberated one of the death camps during the final solution, he saw the bodies piled up coming out of the chambers.
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Let's face it, in addition to Jews they also killed people of other Origin. I've myself seen the remains of the Auschwitz Concentration camp near Krakow in Poland. It's not a propaganda.
My GrandFather was in a Concentration Camp during the last year of the War, he saw it with his own eyes(he is not a Jew- he was doing Sabotage against the German Occupation back home and was caught and sent to one of the Camps), he was not part of a propaganda machine making it up- he was just a poor individual seeing it and suffering from the Treumatic experiences for the rest of his life.
You can also see the countless documents and pictures detailing these horrific acts (Germans are after all meticulous record keepers).
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The concentration camps did exist and the Nazis brutally murdeded 6 million Jewish women, children and men as well as gypsies, dissidents and the mentally disabled. You can go to the sites of these camps and you can see the memorials and you can see the gas chambers. These people did not die of cholera.
You may hate the Israelis, you may hate Israel and its treatment of Palestinians but in no way does this negate the holocaust. The holocaust happened. Accept it and do your best to ensure that it never happens again, to any group.
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