The WALL of HATE

 "The Israeli support the barrier because it has help reduced the terrorist attacks against Israel and their settlements"

See the Israeli terrorist attacks on Gaza these days...see the civillians being slaughtered....I would love to see what you have to say about Israel when their "peaceful" army slaughter your family 1 day.

As for:

"All those collective news and statistics  about Palestinian and Jews deaths is what we said: "Collateral damage" in times of armed conflict."

This is only valid for describing the very few losses in Jewish people during WW2

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what is referred to as "the Palestinean terrorism" is a natural reaction to the Israeli occupation.

Typically, Israel rejected this report/resolution and considered it as "BIASED" to the Palestineans (hahaha...what a joke) (I think these people can only understand the language of war) 

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 All those collective news and statistics  about Palestinian and Jews deaths is what we said: "Collateral damage" in times of armed conflict.  You could love the Palestinian cause all you want, that is your prerogative. But the reality is different. Those numbers could be manipulated unless you count the graves one by one from both sides. The Palestinian struggle is justifiable and It could be solve with Peace and Negotiations and not violence from both sides.    But when you have dangerous armed groups (Terrorist) that officially  declared WAR and HATE towards Israel, who use the Palestinian struggle for promoting their political agenda and sponsor acts of violence, against anyone who opposes them, that includes Christians or Moslem.  "The Barrier" will continue to be edified. That is the bottom line.Hashi,  I believe your point of view is complexly blindsided, you want me to believe that you're reasoning is the best one. But your words are more likely to be of your own interested  in gratitude with the good old "boys" club.  The topic is about the Barrier,  not the Palestinian struggle. Unfortunately it does have the tendency to merge your thoughts towards the Palestinian struggle.  Remember what I said before: The Palestinian struggle is justifiable and It could be solve with Peace and Negotiations and not violence from both sides. Answer me the following questions:  1-How do you know that your Arab money is the one being invested in the edification of the wall and not the US dollar? 2-How many Arab leaders have signed a Peace treaty and recognize Israelis right to exist as a Nation?   You have a good day and keep it civil, is only a debate.              The Red Pope of Qatar Living

And now the Israelis are constructing "stones shelters" underneath the "nuke shelters"

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Got to love a monkey who plagiarizes my thoughts and writings instead of using his own.   The Red Pope of Qatar Living

 "is what we called collateral damage"

"It could be resolve with peace"

"your words are more likely to be of your own interested  in gratitude"

"You have a good day and keep it civil, is only a debate"

It's too early for you to discuss politics, son. Take this advice from a "monkie" who lives on peanuts.   

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"We could find no basis on which to justify this inequality in coverage"

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Your video displays introduction's comment from one of the most wanted Al-Qaida terrorist in in the world, Mr. Al-Zawahiri.   I understand perfectly that you are suffering severe pain and agony for the atrocities of that barrier. You are the reason for the barrier, to be edified in safeguarding the People of Israel from terrorist attacks. Go in peace my son. because there is a wall surrounding your mind and  your soul perimeter blocking, your common sense for peace. How do you know that your Arab money is the one being invested in the edification of the wall and not the US dollar?  How many Arab leaders have signed a Peace treaty and recognize Israels right to exist as a Nation?   The Red Pope of Qatar Living

Dont be silly hashin..the isrealis need protection from the Palestinians..didnt you know that all that "stone throwing" is lethal.....

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/net-report.html

 This study consists of a statistical examination of ABC World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, and NBC Nightly News coverage of the first year of the current Palestinian uprising, and of their coverage of that uprising in 2004. The categories examined are coverage of conflict deaths and, as a subcategory, children’s deaths.

Our findings indicate significantly distorted coverage by all of these network news shows. In the first study period ABC, CBS, and NBC reported Israeli deaths at rates 3.1, 3.8, and 4.0 times higher than Palestinian deaths, respectively. In 2004 these rates increased or stayed constant, to 4.0, 3.8, and 4.4, widening still further, in the case of ABC and NBC, the disparity in coverage. An additional sub-study of deaths reported in introductions revealed a similar but even larger disparity.

The networks’ coverage of children’s deaths was even more skewed. In the first year of the current uprising, ABC, CBS, and NBC reported Israeli children’s deaths at 13.8, 6.4, and 12.4 times the rate of Palestinian children’s deaths. In 2004 these large differentials were also present, although they decreased in two cases, with deaths of Israeli children covered at rates 9.0, 12.8, and 9.9 times greater than the deaths of Palestinian children by ABC, CBS, and NBC, respectively.

Given that in 2004 22 times more Palestinian children were killed than Israeli children, this category holds particular importance. We could find no basis on which to justify this inequality in coverage.

Red_Pope, you keep talking about how the Israeli's are under continuous attack from the Palestinians...

I don't blame you, another victim of the American media brainwish, more on that later...

Did it ever occur to you RP to actually look at the Israeli Palestinian conflicts more closely and form your own opinion on this conflict?

According to a report presented to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the number of Israeli deaths due to the conflicts was 1126.  Needless to say, that is a bit on the extreme side compared to other estimates...

The most conservative estimate on the Palestinian deaths up to the year 2006 due to the conflict is over 4000...  FOUR times more than the Israelis... and you keep saying its the Israeli's who need protection?

What does it matter if you are killed by a rocket that whistles in the wind as it zeroes in on where you and your children sleep or a deranged man who pushes through the crowd with a deadly bomb strapped around him?

I'll tell you... its both the same... except that one side is militarily much more powerful than the other and can afford to buy technological superior weapons with billions of dollars of grands from the US... one side has to strap to one of its own because they don't have rockets to deploy their bombs.

We are in the US but feel free to contact me directly through the private contact form.

if no one will bring justice to this old man?

I think that governments are acting very stupid by signing peace treaties with a terrorist enemy, and neglecting the fact that their people are being slaughterd daily by this enemy.

These governments are merely forcing those hopeless/helpless people to fight on 2 fronts instead of 1; the enemy + the stupid government. 

See this old man....there is English subtitles:

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The objective of the film is not to draw sympathy as indicated above. It is

to educate people, especially those living in the west, on the realities of the conflict. Most of the jargon in the Arab media is directed towards the Arabic audience and that unfortunately has little impact on world opinion.

The film is currently streaming on the net and is showing on numerous TV stations in the US and other parts of world and the feedback has been great. We were able to educate many who were previously blinded by false propaganda. I like PM's comment: right on the money.

FYI, we are the producers and directors of the film.

While you are at it, check out more films we produced on Palestine. I added this after reading the comment on Marwan Bishara's upcoming projects.

http://chromovision.com/films/W2P.wmv

http://chromovision.com/films/B2000.wmv (Film on Bethlehem)

http://chromovision.com/films/Piefza.wmv

Enjoy!

As we approach Easter holidays, my sister chose to email me a Christmas post card with a twist. It shows three “wise men”- depicted in the bible as having came from far to see the new born Christ- still trying to dig their way out from under the wall surrounding Bethlehem.

Such is the tragedy of this once lively cultural and spiritual cosmopolite whose Christian inhabitants aredeserting it in droves. A tale of birth and

resurrection has become a living nightmare of despair as Israel erects a massive wall that separates Bethlehem from Jerusalem- its economic and spiritual lifeline- while cutting off the latter from its Palestinian hinterland.

Yet most Westerners and especially Americans whose indispensable support of Israel has been guided by their faith, remain oblivious to how its occupation of Palestine has violated the sanctity of its precincts and left their spiritual center, besieged shantytowns with many broken souls and little hope. My sister’s story might help explain.

A strong-willed working mother who lived in Bethlehem and directed a Jerusalem community center for broken families, she tried to lead a normal life in the shadows of an abnormal occupation. Even as her car was sprayed with bullets, she persevered, insisting that no one was going to drive her out of her own home or work.

Until one morning it all came to an end. During the night, their house and their Church were shelled by Israeli army, in response to shots fired at the

settlement across the hill. With no safe-heaven for the children, it was time to dig her own way out of the city and catch up with her husband, an engineer who was forced to relocate in neighboring Jordan after his business went bankrupt because of the Israeli closures. But as Samia often says, she’s among the lucky ones.

A decade of closures and 37 year of military occupation have left the holy city in ruins and its economy in shambles. For long a source of healing,

Bethlehem’s nine hospitals, 22 churches and eleven mosques are today alienated from their Palestinian surroundings and the outside world. Within the city limits, Israeli security restrictions and “Barrier” construction around Rachel's Tomb have lead to the closure of 72 of the 80 Palestinian businesses.

In the district of Bethlehem, Israel has built 18 illegal settlements with a population of 66 thousand leaving the city no space for expansion. To separate it from these settlements and from Jerusalem, Israel has erected 78 physical obstacles including 10 checkpoints, 55 dirt mounds and 10.4 km of the wall. A recent UN report, claims that fifty three more km of the “barrier” will be erected to complete walling-in Bethlehem.

Ironically, the restrictive measures against Christian and Moslem worshipers began with the peace process in 1993. Since then, Israel has restricted the Palestinians movement into Jerusalem and divided the urban Bethlehem into three separate areas designated as A, B and C to facilitate its control. So in order for my sister to visit her in-laws, hardly a security risk, she had to pass through Israeli checkpoints within her own neighborhood.

In the process, the urban Christian community was most effected. Since the year 2000, lack of economic and social opportunities, have lead to the emigration of almost ten percent of Bethlehem’s Christians, rendering them a minority for the first time in recent memory.

The same goes for Jerusalem.

Israel claims to have reunited the city, but Jerusalem has never been as divided as it is today between Jewish Yerushalayem and Arab Al-Quds. Almost four decades after its illegal annexation to Israel, Al-Quds remains under a de facto occupation. With a quarter of a million Palestinians living in the city, Israel continues its demographic war to decrease their percentage bellow the third.

For that purpose, the Sharon government denies the right of 40 thousand Jerusalemites who were forced to leave for economic and other reasons to go back and live in the city. Over the last several years, Israel has withdrawn an average of one thousand identity cards annually from its Palestinian inhabitants.

Moreover, and while the Jewish municipality of Jerusalem boasts of 50 thousand new public housing units for Jews, non was built for the Palestinians who are forced to pay their taxes in full. In the old city center, 30 thousand Palestinians receive less public allocations than the two thousand Jews, most of who settled there illegally.

Like Bethlehem, Jerusalem’s Christian community has been the most effected by Israel’s occupation policies. The first blow came in 1948, when 50 percent of the Christian inhabitants of West Jerusalem lost their homes. After the 1967 occupation of the Eastern part, 30 percent of the land confiscated by Israel belonged to the Christian communities.

All in all, the number of Christians in Palestine has dwindled from 20 percent in 1947 to 13 percent in 1967. Today, the Christians make up less than two percent of Palestinian population in the occupied territories a quarter of their ration among all Palestinians. If the occupation policies persist, the extinction of Christians in Palestine becomes a real possibility.

But Israel no longer needs to camouflages its ill-treatment of East Jerusalem, Bethlehem or Palestinian Christians in general for fear of Western backlash. America’s unwavering support of Israel coupled with Evangelical blessings of its occupation meant to pave the way for the return of the Messiah, are instead driving Christians out of the holy land.

Marwan Bishara, the author of ‘‘Palestine/Israel: Peace or Apartheid.’’, is preparing a documentary on the Palestinian Christians.

May be the berlin wall collapsed and now its the Nazi israelis...

"As for the mexico expanding in our border"

"our"?....that makes you an American?!!! Why am I not surprised? (who else would hate the Palestineas so much & defend the terrorrist Israelis?)

So....a pope AND an American....hmmmm...very bad combination! (I prefer to be a monkey & enjoy the penuts & bananas)

Enjoy the movie:

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Mr. PrimateYou must be listening abundantly to his recording in your spare time.Do you worship him?The Red Pope of Qatar Living 

 peanuts said wonderful footage, KH ...i think that Israel is the resource of all terrorism and that all decent people of the world should have the obligation to fight this terrorist country & its allies.   I figured out your emotional problem, The Wall is surrounding your logic. The Wall is huge and extremely Tall,  for you to climb over and you are getting frustrated every day. I'm glad that you are reading selectively and conveniently, keep foraging for more peanut "hand outs" from your master. and again:  Definitely Mr. Primate, the terrorist is you! A Monkey that calls himself  "peanuts".    The Red Pope of Qatar Living

"In 1967 Israel did not wake up one morning and decide to go to war - she woke up one morning and found she had to defend herself.

They did conquered the territories and their is nothing you could do about it."

Your logic is even louzier than your English language...nothing personal!

(P.S, being a monkey is much more decent than being a pope...a red one, that is)(still nothing personal)

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"If you pay peanuts, you get Monkies",  If, I feed this Primate some Bananas, laced with pills of Common sence,Do I get an " ANGRY GORILLA" in the mist? Maybe If, I paid this Primate, one hundred dollars in cash per hour:Would he use his brains and start thinking out of the box inmediatly for better Policies? or Do I get an "Infant Chimpazee"? Would he learn a new trick,  If I send him to college? or Do I get a smart "Fanatical Babbon"? Nah, lets keep him as a monkey for knowing so much falacy and feed him cashews to improve his ability to think better. Nothing personal Peanuts.But your comments on American Policies and the Law of the jungle comparisons are just retarded to me.You gave no positive solutions to the problem at all.Maybe you need to ask Mr. Zeus or The Simpson Family for suggestions.       The Red Pope of Qatar Living

 peanuts said wonderful footage, KH ...i think that Israel is the resource of all terrorism and that all decent people of the world should have the obligation to fight this terrorist country & its allies.  Definitely Mr. Primate, the terrorist is you! A Monkey that calls himself  "peanuts".  What is a monkey without brains? Peanuts...  Go back to the tree you climb the best and hide. Because it will be cut down, from long distance with no human sweat at all.    A good terrorist is a dead terrorist and his name is "Peanuts", "The monkey". The Red Pope of Qatar Living

Now, Now Children.  Let's all play nicely together please.

Thanks for the grammatical correction, but your knowledge of politics completely overwhelms anyone with amusement and charming tricks. Had to be the cashews that you ate, that suddenly gave you some kind of  spontaneous intelligence.The charming monkey begging for more cashews.. Peanuts....The Red Pope of Qatar Living 

"You give no positive solutions to the problem at all."

 Well, once you get a grip on English, then you might be able to discuss politics! When you start to figure out that retarded people say:

" but you knowledge of politics completely overwhelms anyone..."

you will then realize that "EAT OR YOU WILL BE EATEN" IS a positive solution, and that some intelligent, brave and honest men have absored this concept and are applying it all the time. Don't belive what the media say about these men.....millions of people are proud of them!

(P.S, being a monkey is much more decent than being a pope...a red one, that is)

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But you ARE already retarded! See your English? :

 "Would he used his brains.."

 "lets keep him as a monkey for know.."

Nothing personal RP but once you get a grip on English, then you might be able to discuss politics!

(P.S, being a monkey is much more decent than being a pope...a red one, that is)

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peanuts that sounds like alot of conspiracy theories.  Something I try to avoid because I don't think it help anyone out...

"Israel is NOT an ally of America in the ME...America IS run by Israel"...??  

 ..lol...

....did you have a bad night, mate?...

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Concerning your discussions about the arab lobby, UN, and the American foreign policy, well...here are some facts:

-The problem with the arab lobby is that the members are arabs... by name only

-The American policy have always been, and will always be decided by a Zionist Jewish lobby. American presidents who tried to limit the powers of this lobby HAVE been assasinated, and will always be assasinated. So...why give a damn which American president will win the elections?

 -Israel is NOT an ally of America in the ME....America IS run by Israel (although they let the Americans enjoy the fantacy dream of democracy & elections)

-The UN should be taking the role of a decent judge....the Veto concept is 100% clashing with the concept of justice, thus....the UN is just a puppet in the hands of 5 countries....(don't forget that America slammed the UN when it invaded Iraq)

-When there is no justice, when there is no one to support you in gaining back your rights thru legal measures, when you are doomed anyway, when your home is taken by foreign powers, when your family is killed for defending their rights, when you have nothing else to loose, when the law of the jungle is prevailing, then the logical solution is to act like an animal in this jungle...EAT OR YOU WILL BE EATEN (I eat peanuts)

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Seen it before, but what r we doing to stop it??? nothing... just supporting them

by buying their products. 

It's always the small things that make big differences.

I'm Tired myself and here in Dubai its 3.22am so it IS Good night from me.

Good Night!

Hey, I just got back home.  What did I miss?

Attributing the problem to a lack of an Arab lobby is an excuse to externalize the blame.  I've said all I have to say on this topic, I am just surprised that no one brought it up earlier...

the weight of all those vetoes are not on the cold hearts of those who cast them alone I am afraid.... the weight of all those vetoes are a burden borne by the human race and generations to come...

Arabs did not leave Palestine, rather they were forced to by programmed massacres.

Here are some references:

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine.html

http://guardian.150m.com/palestine/israeli-massacres.htm

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine46.html

So do you think it is better for a person like me to consider migrating to Israel instead of migrating to Australia or Cananda?

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The problem with the Arab lobby is that they don't have a member who will unflinchingly veto any motion against Arab interest regardless of the fact that they are the ONLY member to veto the motion... even if it happens 24 times!

The United States vetoed a UN Security Council resolution condeming the controversial security barrier Israel is building across part of Palestinian territory in the West Bank.

Using its veto power on the UN Security Council for the second time in two months to block a measure criticising Israel, US ambassador John Negroponte spiked the resolution, which had been proposed by Syria.

"This resolution failed to address both sides of the larger security context of the Middle East, including the devastating suicide attacks that Israelis have had to endure for the past three years," he said.

"The resolution put forward today was unbalanced and did not condemn terrorism in explicit terms."

The Palestinian Authority denounced the US veto, saying it gave a "green light" to continue construction.

"The Israelis will consider this veto as a green light to continue the construction of the wall and the settlements," chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat told AFP.

"The Israeli behaviour, with the construction of the wall and the settlements, the incursions ... deserve condemnation and not encouragement from the United States."

For its part Israel was "satisfied" with the veto, a senior official said Wednesday.

"We are satisfied with the veto imposed by the Americans who are pursuing a coherent policy by refusing to prevent Israel from equipping itself with the necessary means to defend itself against terrorists," said the official on condition of anonymity.

"The fact that European countries such as Germany and Britain also abstained during the vote illustrates that there has been a positive change in attitude."

Ten nations on the 15-member council voted in favour of the Syrian-sponsored resolution late Tuesday while four -- Britain, Bulgaria, Cameroon and Germany -- abstained.

The five permanent members -- Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States -- have veto power.

The United States last month killed another measure criticising Israel for its threats to expel Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat from the West Bank.

from QL as much as I can...it takes too much of my time.. specially at work..lol...

Precedent might occur:” SHE WAS FIRED DUE TO QL ADDICTION”….

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I think i am too tired..lol. it has been long and productive day...

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..your "map" is not really accurate.. it has been corrected and "dolled-up"...sorry buddy...

and QT, trust PM, there is NO american base in Israel...

...and...When state of Israel has been established, no one arab hasn’t been expelled from the country. Everybody was given the choice to stay. Thousands and thousands arabs, Muslims and Christians, live in Israel now and they are full citizens of Israel and by the way pretty happy with that. They have exactly the same rights and freedoms which jews have in Israel. They have their own schools, cultural centres, they study at Universities, they are employed, they owe businesses… There are few Arabic political parties as well, and as a matter of fact there are TWO official languages in Israel: Hebrew and Arabic. Jews and arabs used to live for ages in the land of Palestine, being neighbours and friends.. until one day somebody decided to turn it to his own benefits, to make money, to get power and who knows what else.. and here the battle started….

And as Red Pope said, the territories were won and attached to Israel during the war which Israel hasn't even started.. but isn’t it a world practice: whoever wins the war (specially which has been began by another side!), they attached the  new territories… all countries in the world have being doing it…

And instead of calling all arab countries to unite against Israel, isn’t it better to call them to sign the peace agreement and maintain it??? Instead of calling to keep fighting shouldn’t we call to finish this fratricidal war (jews and arabs are cousins, aren’t they?)??? there is NO  WINNER in this war, everyone is LOOSER!!! Just recently we had discussed “Kingdom”.. what did we learn from this movie???after reading this thread  I can tell: NOTHING…

Jerusalem should become an  International City of Peace.

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" it wasn't true after WW2???" of course it was!! First, when Germany was winning, they were turning every country into their colony.. if Germany won the war, now more than half Europe would be "Germany's extension".... later, when Russia moved forward.. well USSR hasn’t annexed the territories. But they did even worse thing: they turned the regime of many countries into Communist regime....

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I would say red pope.. that your last intellectual post is much more astute than perhaps my personal opinion which is based on very little knowledge of the conflict because I find it a no win situation..

What you have said about the terrorist organizations now makes complete sense, although I am sure it is not the only reason. And a good solution would be to rebuild the barrier which would be useful to both sides and perhaps give alot of land back to the palestinians in way of a good gesture on Israels part.

And Pm .. you are right about the city being for everyone and not just one or two religions. Although I must admit that if it was under muslim rule then I prob. would not be so keen on that.  But we have to work with the situation that we have been given.

Same here. Am glad and do enjoy a peaceful and civilized discussions. What we look for is to spread the truth and what we pray for is to have peace everywhere. I hate violence and bloodshed. War is the worst thing that can happen on earth. Hate to see anyone suffering or hurt being my relative, friend or enemy. Eventually we are all humans.

Thank you Alexa.

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Both sides have good points.  The Israeli support the barrier because it has help reduced the terrorist attacks against Israel and their settlements.  The negative side of the barrier is that is blocking farm land access owned by Palestinians, Most important access to water resources, Hospitals, schools and  basic infrastructures to survive.  That is not good because that will irate and give more fuel to hate the Jews from the Palestinian side. Already the hate each other to death.Both sides have a great deal to say about it. I can't judge, If the barrier is good or bad.  Good judgement should be use in building such barrier on those lands that will benefit both sides and not one side only. In this case the Jews are the winning side.No one can't stop the Jews from Building the barrier not even the UN or Arab states. Is going to be the new green line. Unfortunately people are going to suffer. It needs to be redrawn and negotiated but I think is too late for that.  But I do oppose the terrorist organizations that use the palestinian cause as their bench mark of aggression. For me the problem lays down in the terrorist organizations that roam in the west bank and Gaza strip. They are the ones that cause all the commotion and disruption for the peace process, accords and treaties.  Provoking distrust from the Jewish government and  lack of confidence on the Palestinian government and their people. That is the major factor in the outline of the barrier and edification. I believe the jews are JUST fed up with the inconsistency of the Palestinian government in not able to control the violence and attacks into Israel.  Will someone,  tell me a good solution to stop the carnage from both sides? Don't tell me about the old green line concept.  returned the occupied lands, Declare war again, get support from the arab states. That is not what I want to hear. Tell me something that will make sense to help both parties. Jews and Palestinians. Tell me what the government of Palestine could do to improve its current peace accord status with Israel? I believe Israel have given the answer to everyone by building the barrier.  If they can't get peace in a piece of paper, the will isolated the problem and deal with it the best they could. The Red Pope of Qatar Living

 I don't know about the super base concept in Israel, I would like to READ articles about it, to verified the comments. But I know for sure Africa is already in the works. Not one but two bases.My problem with that is,  they always pick the hottest and more hostile weather SPOTS in the world.  Freaking  hot, dry and dusty. The Red Pope of Qatar Living

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For those who do not have idea about the whole issue or having partial information, I have attached an interesting map(s) illustrating the evolution of Israel since 1946. Kindly re-check this topic's header where you can find the attachement.

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Personally I don't wonder if the reasons a powerful Arab lobby hasn't been created is because Syria, Iran, Saudi etc are too busy using the Palestine/Israel conflict for their own benefit.   Not to mention groups like Hezbollah and the Hamas who owe their power and influence to the conflict.

The current governments of Israel also owe their power to the last 60 odd years of conflict.  To many people are benefitting for it to end. 

"I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress and I don't need to be rescued. So put me down punk, I'm not a maiden fair, maybe there's a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere." Ani Difranco

I believe that the US only has one real ally in the Middle East, one that would let the US use its resources (i.e. miliatry bases) unconditionally because of the support (financial or otherwise) that the US gives them.  And they require such an ally in the Middle East to stop the Arabs states from pulling together and becoming a force to be reckoned with.

That Ally is Israel!!! ANd hence the US stands by while Israel commit all these atrocities!

Especially the US

 what is your point overall about the american base in Israel?  The Red Pope of Qatar Living

Yeah, but nobody does anything for free!

This article seems to be about the US financing and constructing a base for the Israelis.

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You may be right about no US base in Israel PM, however the following article in the New York Times confirms what I said about the US paying for the Israeli base and hence has the use of it whenever needed.

"Israeli and American officials have broken ground for a $266 million Israeli military base that is being built by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and paid for by the United States under an agreement signed in 1998. The new base, in the southern Negev region, is replacing an Israeli Army training site in the West Bank. Martin Indyk, the American ambassador to Israel, called the project a symbol ''of America's continuing commitment to Israel's security.'' William A. Orme Jr. (NYT)"

red pope.. I for one believe that Israel should be declared a state. That both should have equal land.. and each have half of jeruselum.

It is my opinion that Israel fought a war because britian gave the land to them.. and after a series of battles over powered the palestinians. And God will judge the muslim nations who did nothing to help their muslim brothers.

I am also one to think that the greed for land.. and grief at loss of a persons stolen property needs to be squashed in order to bring peace and order back to palestine. InshAllah this will help them gain in strength and Allahu Alim what God decides for them after that.

I do however disagree with the fact that terrorist organizations are at fault in delaying the peace treaty. To me this is probably a media brainwashing tool to give Israel greater autonomy in extending borders. And in fact they are still in conflict with syria with regards to the borders of the north of Israel. And I fear for my family everyday because of the potential threat to Syria and Lebanon as a result. 

Also if you look at the border of Jordan.. this is not exactly prime land.. whereas Syria and Lebanon would be potential money makers because of the position in the mediterranean.. (spell check) .

I'm off to bed as I can';t solve the world's problems on my own over the internet......but give me total world power and I would have a stab at it....first against the wall and all that jazz. Only kidding!!!

Night all.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

PM - I will do and look forward to it.  It may be a couple of months though.  Renting Warehouses in Doha seem to be more expensive than the Dubai Freezone.

Yes pm... I wouldn't doubt corruption for a minute. God says.. it is what our own hands have earned. 

but for israel to be bombing one of the gaza's only power plant leaving almost 1.5 million people without electricity! Having blockades up so that no food comes into the country.

Its unbelievable that in our times and knowledge of history such things are allowed to happen.

'So they are selling their souls to the devil!'

I mean this in the nicest possible way, even though you will see it as a corruption, but it is politics and power that makes the world go round not religion.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

  Exactly, it is worthless whining. As an American, its hard for me to understand why someone cares whether a citizen was born in the country or not since everyone from the USA was from somewhere else first...well except for the Native Americans. I feel that the few Qataris that I have heard complaining about naturalized Qataris are selfish and bitter when they dont receive everything they want. 

I do know that a lot of the families in Qatar are very private so to speek, but the ones I know well do not discriminate based on country of origin.  

tra la la

if you pay peanuts you get monkies

So they are selling their souls to the devil!

But why???????? What do people/goverments have to gain in such a situation?

is almost identical to the Northern Ireland problem. that took 400 years to sort out - and it's only a provisional peace at the moment.....only 300 odd years or so for Palestine to go then

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

and political prostitution (in the UN & security council)

if you pay peanuts you get monkies

I never really understood why Israel is allowed an infrastructure and palestine is not.

Some of my closest friends are palestinian here in the uk and one sister is not even able to go and visit her family after the blockade of the egypt/gaza strip. .. They will not even let Gazans out of the country for medical treatment, to buy food, fuel and other basic necessities sorely missed in Gaza. Rolling power cuts continue to severely affect hospitals and health clinics and their treatment of the sick. And I believe negotiations are in progress with Jordan to cater for people in need of medical attention.

We all talk about freedom, human rights, and democracy but why are the voters not being heard with regards to helping palestine? And why is Israel given rights when they are in blatant violation of international law?

Why is it that exemption from punishment remains widespread for Israeli soldiers and settlers responsible for unlawful killings, ill-treatment and human right abuses. Yet Palestinians convicted of involvement in attacks against Israelis are sentenced to life imprisonment?

Great.  I know many of my colleagues in these areas, and they're all intelligent and outspoken.  Good on you!!!  I look forward to meeting you soon. 

Economics, Business, ICT & Hospitality.  What's yours?

I may still be in our Dubai office at the moment and can't quite come to Doha yet (Business sponsorship issues and the high commercial rent rates in Doha), but when I do come out in a couple of months time, I'm really looking forward to meeting you all and having a few debates about world politics.

PM,

as a side note you a comment you made about citizens on this site feeling biased against naturized citizens. I think it comes from a cultural stand point. Yes these people have become citizens, but they are not Qatari in a cultural standpoint.  

That said, no one should be looked down upon because of their culture or whether they are naturalized citizens or born citizens. My experience is that the people who look down on others in this situation are just jealous because these naturalized citizens often have more than they have and maybe they feel they should have more because they are entitled due to their birthright.  

tra la la

At Least Mr Paul can't argue that this is boring, eh?

Some Palestinians in Palestine were so 'anti' Israeli that they would jeopardize the whole of the West Bank and Gaza for the right to return for all the Palestinian diaspora, whereas other Palestinians were prepared to deny the right of the diaspora to return so they, the indigenous Palestinians, could have a peaceful, secure and sovereign country.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

PM, I notice that you're a professor.

I too am a lecturer.  I wouldn't insult your intelligence by sending you rubbish bias articles.  I dig a little deeper than that.   If I can't find anything credible.  I will openly admit it!

inside Palestine? Inside the country that it (she) has occupied?

So you like this beautiful house, you decide to take it, you go kill the owner, take the house, bring your family & relatives from around the world to live with you, and then when you wake up next day to find the sons, brothers & relatives of the owner you killed, are coming to take the house back & to punish you for your crime, you go & kill them & take their homes too, because you were 'defending yourself'?  

if you pay peanuts you get monkies

PM, I understand that you are American, and maybe feel obliged to protect the US wherever and whenever possible.

Like I said, I am, First and Foremost British as I grew up in the UK.  However, I am of Vietnamese origin (actually, I was born in Vietnam) and know first and second hand the atrocities that the US do and mask to try to convince its people that what they are doing for the greater good (or the good of the world)

What I am trying to say is that despite all the hands open wide for our fellow Palestinians, still political unrest and malicious movements and ideologies will make Palestinians feel so unsafe and unstable.

Also, there are bad Palestinse causing the above! And thus inflicting harm not only unto themselves but unto their fellow brothers/sisters who are already transplanted somewhere else other than their original soil. 

It is very despairing when a good Palestinian is expelled out of the host country they have lived in for long, while they have no where else to go!! It is an unimaginable abyss!!  Those are the people I fear for!! 

Salaam 

I will look up the proof tomorrow, however, that's not the point here.  Are you telling me that Israel would not allow the US to use any of its bases to launch a strike on any of the Middle East Nations if it so required?

All Palestinians were expelled from Kuwait following the 1st Gulf war by the Kuwaiti 'government'.

PM - Jordanians originally owned the land but the Palestinians built the economy, and now it's very inter- changeable.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

 In reference to your 1967 border statement here is my answer to you In 1967 Israel did not wake up one morning and decide to go to war - she woke up one morning and found she had to defend herself.  They did conquered the territories and their is nothing you could do about it.   As for the mexico expanding in our border, they have being doing that for a long time in different ways.  Even after their loses of the territories during the Mexican-American War. Such territories of  California, Texas, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Wyoming. As for the Canadians we need to ask Gypsy about the Indian/french-British wars before 1776 declaration of Independence.     The Red Pope of Qatar Living

Adey, I agree with you on that, but they still push the borders and should be stopped one way or another.

PM, the US does have a base in Israel.  They may say its an Israeli base, but they funded the build and have operatives there, and also have a secret agreement to use it at will.

One of my dad’s Palestinian friends, who have been living is Egypt and is a very successful man, has been banned after flying out of Egypt, without any prior notice. His kids were still in school back in Cairo. Back then, there was instability in the country, and the hugely increasing number of Palestinians in Egypt was posing a threat somehow. As some resources revealed later, that some militant Palestinians, residing in Egypt, were plotting against Egypt for it’s shameful stance as regards the Palestine’s cause,

This is why I am saying, no matter how will established you are in a strange country, you are an “outsider”!! and the host country’s government will always make sure to remind you of that every now and then.

Many Palestinians are seen a foreigners and treated as such in certain not all cases. Example: They are paying their college tuition, in certain countries, in US$ triple the amount the locals are paying in this same Arab country. Just because they are seen as someone who is taking a seat that should’ve been reserved for the locals.

Salaam

Israel is not going to go away and I would like to see it shrink to the 1967 border and a Palestinian country be re-established.

PM - why do you think Queen Rania (whom I have met, as well as King Abdullah's siblings) is Palistinian? Palistine and Trans-Jordan are the same thing. The long animosity between the two is long over. Nous/Nous as they say in Jordan.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

However in the Israel/Palestinian conflict, 4 Milliom wrongs in retaliation does not make it just.  Any counter reconciliation should be measured.

Are we animals, or humans?

Let’s not forget those honorable patriotic Palestinians who are not making it an option to leave their land and fighting with their blood for their honor. Refusing to retreat in defeat and determined to die and be buried with their heads up high.

I know many Palestinians who are not willing to return to their homeland. But in no way that would be an excuse for someone who HAD and was forced, even before birth, to have to find a life elsewhere, because their land has been aggressively stolen and violated.

Had their land been safe and theirs, far less amount of Plastinians would be helplessly scattered everywhere, establishing businesses  in other countries for year after years, yet still treated as foreigners or intruders, dependent on the current political mood of the host country. 

Also remember, there is always good citizens and bad citizens from the same mother country.  

Salaam  

The Arab world is not doing enough (if anything at all), because they are scared that economic sanctions would affect their country.

However, that does not justify what Israel has done, and continues to do!!!

I am very pro Palestine for Palestinians, but if you do not know the Levant area, or care about its peoples you really don't know what you are talking about. It's not an abstract problem.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

The problem with today, is too many people are just willing to stand and watch bullying and not do anything about it.  Israel has the backing of most of the west and more importantly the US, hence they feel that they can do anything they want.  The US support them because they are the only ally and signigicant military base that they have in the Middle East.  Does that mean they can do what they want?  It seems that way.  And too many people like to watch, but not do anything about it! 

i think that Israel is the resource of all terrorism and that all decent people of the world should have the obligation to fight this terrorist country & its allies.

Thank you for sharing this footage with us.

Alexa, it is not easy to answer your question. Answers might lead to closing this website & have the peopl deported/in jail. Just a hint: you can enjoy all the fun in the world with your money when you are rich, but once you want to stop the fun, be serious, use your wealth for good causes, you will be removed, you will disapear, and your money & toys will go to someone who still wants to have fun.   

if you pay peanuts you get monkies

Correct me if I am wrong but Jordan is the only country (perhaps Egypt as well) that has offered ALL Palestinians FULL citizenship and passports. More than can be said for the rest of the RICH Arab world who could not give 'two hoots' for Palestinian people, apart for them being a political football.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Well, they obviously don't want to return because life is better elsewhere.  That does not negate the fact the Israel is causing life in Palistine a misery.

Also, it is the Arabs world plight to help its neighbour from unjust suffering. If you saw your neighbour getting beaten up for no reasdon, would you say it has nothing to do with you? 

Also in many ways Red Pope is right, Israel has a right to exist.  However because of all the pain and suffering that they have imposed in Palistine, many people will not see it that way.

What goes around comes around!!!

Having lived in Amman, Jordan, which is 80% Palestinian - I have never met a Palestinian there who wants to go back to their 'birthright'. They have made a life else where and the issue is solely a Israeli/Palestinian issue; not anything to do with the wider Arab world (pro Palestinian) or America(pro Israel).

 Just my point of view from seeing things  at a lot closer hand then anyone living in the Gulf.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

I believe that is the border for a long, long time to come.... The Red Pope of Qatar Living

We are talking about the wall, not the israeli, arab wars. The Red Pope of Qatar Living

Then why did they have to invade the Gaza Strip?  It wasn't theres to start with.

Hi,

Its ok for all of us to say how powerful the arab league COULD be, however, we all know the reason that the arabs have not interfered as yet, and it's because they all have their own political agenda.

Yes, what Israel is doing is wrong, and yes, palestinians are suffering, but the Arabs are not going to interfere.  They are scared that if they do and some organisation takes over jerusalem, they will lose power.  After all, whomever controls Jerulsalem has considerable power in the Arab world.  They are all trying to hold on to what power they have!!!

When will the Arab would wake up and realise there are more important things than their own power and influence.

I am first and foremost British, however, I feel sick at my country's support for Israel, and I know that many of my British fellowmen feel the same!

The wall of hate has a purpose, that is to keep the bad guys out from Attacking Israeli people from inside palestine.  Israel has the right to exist as a nation, so is Palestine.The problem is that no one want's to acknowledge each other. Everyone has their own views and agendas.   Why do you think people build fences in  their yard for? The same policy applies to the Israel wall. To keep bad people away from harming others.  The Red Pope of Qatar Living

dont worry PM..they will find a loophole somehow!!!!!What i find ironic is that if its haram for women to drive..wouldnt it worse for her to sit in the back seat with a driver who is non mahram day in and day out?....Whers the logic?...Sorry KH..dont wanna hijack this important thread....it just p##### me off how their priorites are backwards...

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oh yes i forgot KH.....thats another important priority....oh well peace in the ME will just have to wait..theres more pending issues here......

That they are busy also discussing if women would be allowed to drive

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When we have to fast during Ramadan, some people find it easier not to fast and hence follow the easy way. They completely ignore fulfilling their duties in that regard. Am talking about capable Muslims. You see such people celebrating breakfasting and Ramadan night and tents and celebrating the Eid.

Such people want to fast but find it easier not to.

Does ths answer the question or complicate the issue more?

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I quite agree with nadt on this issue.. We as an ummah need to get our priorities straight.

Alexa if they wanted to....the ME wouldnt be in the state it is in now...answer to your question is they dont want to because they are busy banning the colour red and roses and valentines day? This is a priority at the moment..not world peace!!!!

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and knowing that we are in a miserable situation and that Zionist lobby is very strong and influential, yet we have to do the least to be done by spreading the world. We are addressing individuals and stating facts. One should not expect a change tomorrow. It might take decades.

Thank you all for your valuable time to see the documentary, pass the message and expressing your opinions whatever your opinion is.

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PM its a sincere compliment with no strings attached.

I totally agree with you. My previous boss(Israeli) and i were discussing this once and he said to me..."You guys wouldnt be in this situation if Arabs were all united and supported eachother and i totally agree..such a shame but what annoys me is the innocent people suffer in the meantime..Its a real tradegy for them..

Arabs now are miserable  i'm not talking about that but im telling that the zionist intelligence has alterd or shifted the world way of thinking

arab have to create their lobby? yes but unfortunatly they r not a cooperative creatures they r not team worker but the world has to remove the cover and should be unbiased by media to create his own opinion

i don't ask the world to help but at least turn their minds on

at least don't support the liar even by thinking positive regarding his ideas

PM you seem to have such great insight of things. I am amazed.  

good point PM..if only??...but politics aside its a real tradgey for the people who are experiencing this at the moment...

i know there is no execuse to arabs but that is the situation now

or not??

this is truly sad but do u think the world sympathise

i don't think so cuz that the powerful zionists lobby and media draw the picture of terroristic palestinians and arab so the world became blind and that what u will see in this thread either u'll see some with that harsh wall or u will see no replys in the thread

this is truly terrible and inhumane....thx for sharing KH..ive re distributed it via my email list.....this is very sad indeed...