eating meat is moral ?
In this topic...i want your opinion... the question is.. it's morally justified to consume meat ? or eating meat is wrong in most cases, though not in all ?
i need you guys to debate with me... In this debate i stand argues that it's morally justified to consume meat.
try me.
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This is always my favourite argument:
Do you know that plants have three senses and one of them is, they can feel pain..They feel pain like any other living being.
Ummm the difference being if you prune a tree, they grow healthy the following season...however what happens if you amputate a limb from an animal? Does it grow back?
I have been Vegetarian for 18 years for personal reasons. I honestly don't care what others do, but get pissed off when people say how moral it is too eat meat but set conditions on what they consider acceptable.
Look at the big picture. Industrial farming is a disgrace; most of you wouldn’t be aware what these poor animals are fed, hence what YOU are consuming. I guess when you go to the supermarket and see meat looking glossy, wrapped in plastic, your conscience doesn’t tell you how the meat got there in the first place. Do you know what pigs are fed? Garbage.....Ink, plastic, cardboard etc. What is so moral about that?
The most hypocritical thing about meat eaters is they define what meat is considered for consumption and what isn’t. Really what is the difference? Why not eat cat, dog, kittens, etc?.....Pigs are more intelligent then both these pets, but it’s considered expectable to eat pork. Why?
Oh and I remember when that film Babe came out, everyone was like ‘Save Babe’. Why?
Go and save GLobal Warming..... Where did the eco system come into the picture?
I am Carnivorous.We have to Eat meat to save Echo-System.
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I m a pure Veg but I dont think morality has any connections with eating meat.
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I cant say it's bad like cough syrup,but yeah,i am bored of kfc too..WHen i have no option,i eat KFC..pure NON VEGETARIAN.
It is like my cough syrup and causes diarrhea.
YUMM....
Think I will call Hardeez and order Roast Beef and curly fries. Who would like to join me:)
...I could really use a burger...
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Sinned - Thanks for the applause. LOL! Did you rise and clap?
thank you .
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I'm a firm believer in Darwinian evolutionism. A major change in human evolution occured between the stages Australopithecus and Homo Habilis. The former were vegetarians characterised by - very long intestines (almost like a cow) necessary for assimilating their plant based diet and very small cranial capacity.
Homo Habilis on the other hand are the first known meat eaters. As it's is easier to assimilate meat (the hard part is done by the animals lower down the food chain), the intestines grew progressively shorter and brains grew larger.
"Because meat is relatively easy to digest and rich in calories and nutrients, early Homo lost the need for the big intestines of apes and earlier hominids. This freed up energy for use by other organs. This surplus of energy seems to have been diverted to one organ in particular - the brain. But scavenging meat from under the noses of big cats is a risky business, so good scavengers needed to be smart. At this stage in our evolution, a big brain was associated with greater intellect. Big brains require lots of energy to operate: the human brain uses 20% of the body's total energy production. But the massive calorific hit provided by meat kick-started an increase in the brain size of early humans." [BBC - Science & Nature]
So, Miss Sinned, if this had not happened I (or any of y'all) wouldn't be sitting here and debating on the morality of meat eating. I'd probably be ruminating, and so would you.
Hence to conclude, going vegan would be the first step towards de - evolution. Could you imagine future generations grazing the grasslands again?
thank you for the explanation....clap!!!clap!!!clap!!! (my hands)
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I LOVE ANIMALS.. THEY TASTE GREAT!!
Might be who knows whats their policy LOL
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Guess we figured out the reason. Sinned had a Summer assigment and we are doing it for her.
Do you think that the Vietnamese are trying to solve the earth population problem?
Are we doing an assignment or paper or thesis for you???
Unless, sinned can further expound it without "copy & paste"?
This topic is for a good reason...hmmm, enlighten us then.
But on second thought...
I'll wait till "PM" give her opinion on this. I do admire/compliment her views and honestly, I do learn a lot from her.
Why you forgettin Vietnamese
lets talk about their flavor too what kind of meat or flesh they like to eat :D LOL
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I will gladly give you my opinion, but I find it difficult to debate with your cut and paste stuff ... that's not a debate; it's like talking to an encyclopedia (which of course can't speak back - just spews out information)!
Tell me your opinion, in your own words, and then maybe we can get a discussion going :o)
Sinned. What does eating meat has to do with morality.
If we talking about morals, we touch on religions. I cantalk about my religion; Islam; did not mention anywhere that eating meat is immoral. On the contrary. We are guided how to salughter sheep and what we can eat and what we should not.
Also, what I know is that Jesus Christ when he fasted, he stoped eating meat which means he was eating.
Diversity in eating is healthy. We should eat everything we are allowed and not concentrate at one type. Check mediterraneans diet. Wonder if you are relating your topic to eating habbits in America for example (guess you are American) where their diet is animal protein oriented (pardon me if am wrong) and the nutrition pyramid is not followed.
If we listen to dieticians crazy theories, we will end up eating nothing. I beleive in the theory that everything we eat has its benefits and also has its side effects. This side effect is taken care of by A type of food like whether it is beans of meat or veggies or fruits. Wonder if you the story of that Russian researcher who came up with a theory that youghurt is the perfect and complete diet. He lived on youghurt for a period then became badly sick and passed away.
Regarding Ecoshpere thing. Now you remind me with the nice postings of swissgirl. Nature rebuilds and heals itself. But we are stupidly ruining it (like massive catching turtle eggs and throwing plastic bags in the sea). This practice will at some point eliminate turtles as known and existing species. Let aside dumping industrial waste here and there and air pollution.
So the issue is not eating meat. It is the respect to our religions and the earth we are living on. We take much care to clean our house and car and office but we never care about the earth.
Did you start yawning?
Have a good day :)
lets take a short break guys.. u people seem to be debating so much..so wat u wanna eat..?
chicken lollibobs and bebsi? or turkey sandwich..?
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there is no rules...you can search... read it and if you think you can share to others......"Cut AND Paste"....remember....this forum topic is for good reason.
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this topic is for exchanging idea's ....
pls avoid comercial.... theres a lot of comercial in Television...
just watch there.
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I don't know what "morals" got to do with eating meat, red or white in that matter.
Basically, what I know is that (don't quote me here/I stand to be corrected)pork meat is 'a no-no' in the Muslim world, Hinduism considers the COW holy thus eating beef is taboo...etc.
But don't post anything if it's a "cut and paste" answer, please. People here in QL can easily determine if it's lifted from somewhere else or from his/her own thoughts.
Anyone heard of "PLAGIRISM"???
or just share the same copy of 'the word' by wikipedia?
am I getting grumpy? or what!*&!
I'd rather follow your example, and swallow the wikipedia encyclopedia.
But on second thoughts maybe I prefer more originality in my diet.
;)
I dont eat snakes in break fast i just hunt them along with that long sand lizard.
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaakh snakes in break fast eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww
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I never ate meat in my life but I am not darn against it. But when it comes to poaching or hunting just for fun or as a game then it really really hurts me. The world can't afford to be a pure vegetarian or non vegetarian; as it may collapse the ecosystem.
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How can you relate eating animal meat with cannibalism??Is it because both are meat???FUnny I should say..
Cannibalism is a disorder.Non vegetarians eat those animals that can be eaten.Normal people donot eat their own species(ATLEAST).
Did you find a tiger that hunt another tiger for food??NO..It hunts down a zebra or a cow or any such 'VEGETARIANS'..herbivorus animals
Humans are not different.Just that we are Omnivorus.This means our body is built to digest both veg and non veg.We are born with this gift.But there's ofcourse a choice.
There are many people who consume meat even today.. It starts from Chicken thru all the way to sea food......There are many compelling circumstances where man has become and we all knw have become cannibals... So it starts with Animal meat and sometimes it ends in Human meat...
Being vegetarians and as a vegetarian i can only endorse the view that it helps a lot... Avoiding all the junk food reduces the fat and definitely reflects true colors.... Now when one removes the scientific aspect and brings the question of morality definitely as mentioned above in my post it starts from one thing and ends with cannibalism....So its not morally justified to eat meat...Stay clean pals ! The question of choice was always there but to exercise it or not depends on human intentions.....
It's a personal choice, based on personal moral values. I don't eat meat. Haven't in over a decade. Don't care what other people do. That's their choice to make. This is what I feel comfortable with. To me, if killing is wrong, then killing animals is too. But the world isn't black and white and right and wrong are relative. So it's a personal choice to make and people often swing back and forth, like oryx did. Oryx, you're right, some people don't have a choice, like if they live where vegetables are harder to get than meat and meat is cheaper at the end of the day. I don't feel sorry for people who don't eat meat though. Veggie food can be quite tasty! I do feel sorry for people with no food to eat. Well, that's where I stand on this issue at this point in my life.
Actually for many many millions meat is a total luxury
they don't discuss morality and food they just eat what they can get
let us count our blessings that we can choose
i was about 19 when I saw this in action and i stopped being a vegetarian immediately and decided that i would enjoy the luxury of choosing but never inflict my preferences on others
i felt like such a spoilt brat i was totally ashamed
and point three meat especially ostrich is tasty.
...the morality of eating meat is, as well.
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This is not actually a moral choice. A moral choice has to be a choice between two evils. If it is a question of choosing right from wrong, there is no choice as one would have to choose 'right'. Therefore, a moral choice would have to be a choice between two evils and eating meat is not a moral choice.
If you think eating meat is morally wrong then you should not do so. If you don't believe eating meat is wrong, then it is not a moral choice, merely a lifestyle choice.
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Do you know that plants have three senses and one of them is,they can feel pain..They feel pain like any other living being.
DOnt you think it's more cruel to hurt a creaure that feel pain but can't respond or react like animals!!
Plants cant cry,cant defend,cant even shake itself when we cut it.CRUEL CRUEL CRUEL
i agree with you in general.
although i on't agree with you on the animal testing (i'm not saying i am for it, just saying i don't agree with the link you have made). anti-depressants alter the production of certain chemicals in the brain, which make it a physiological treatment, and not a psychological one. that is why they can be tested on animals.
i love animals though, so when it comes to treating them in a humane fashion, i won't disagree with you.
quitting time - i'll check on this tomorrow.
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
In our world, when a large population of humans eats a lot of meat, this causes a huge amount of suffering to an enormous number of animals. This suffering is comparable with torture. You can reduce this suffering by eating less meat. It is possible to reduce the suffering of all animals by changing the law, but this would raise the price of meat to the extent that people would rarely be able to eat it. This would certainly be a good thing. However it’s much more difficult to try to change the law than it is to go vegetarian. Furthermore, if you try and protest against factory farming without going vegetarian first, you’ll be called a hypocrite. So my premise is: animals suffer when we eat meat and the best way to stop it is to stop eating meat.
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i stand ....eating meat is wrong in most cases.
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I do rely on two premises which can be backed up by observation of the world around us.
Animals are capable of suffering in most of the ways humans can suffer. This includes pain, discomfort, boredom, the distress of losing a loved one, and so forth. Animals can be even diagnosed with many of the same psychological disorders as humans (that’s why they can test antidepressants on rats, for example). Obviously humans are more sensitive to some of these, like boredom. However generally, the same things that cause an emotion in a human will cause the same emotion in an animal. This can all be backed up with scientific evidence. Furthermore if it wasn’t true, animal testing wouldn’t be much use.
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My demands are high.SO let's not talka bout gifts..
Point 1:
Science has proved,human beings tend to obtain a minor part of the character of what they feed on.
This means,apart from the proteins that our bodies gain from these animals,we gain characters or characteristics of these animals.Nothing wrong in it.
Point 2:
Ecological balance is attained through this consuption.It does not harm the enviornment unless exploited or over used.
so your notion is that eating meat is OK, but the way we treat animals is not? i would agree with that.
i would also add that we should cut back on meat because of environmental concerns (cleacutting for pastures, methane gas from cattle, etc.).
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
My position is not that eating meat is always wrong, or that animals should be treated equally to humans. I don't even claim that killing an animal is ever wrong (suffering is the issue). I merely claim that the current treatment of animals is immoral, and in today’s situation, it is better to be a vegetarian than not. First of all, I’m assuming that morality exists (in some sense), is consistent, not arbitrary, and doesn’t come from anything supernatural. I’d rather not try to defend these as that takes a long time; they appear self evident to me and it’s hard to make any kind of argument without these assumptions. Note that I do not rely on the principle of utilitarianism.
your opinion ?
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we know that as a species our brains would not have evolved in the way they did had it not been for meat. had it not been for our ancestors taking in protein, it would have been physically impossible for humans to evolve as they did, and we would not be the thinking creatures that we are today.
so, had it not been for meat, we would not have the intellectual capacity to debate the morality of eating meat.
aside from the obvious irony, this to me suggests that it is not immoral to eat meat.
now, whether we would be better off from an environmental perspective is another story.
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its fine
just take the wrapper off first
or if it is a guineau pig make sure you throw it against the wall properly.
live meat is a bit mean
DaRuDe stop eating those live snakes for breakfast!
Ok do fast,Name your gift ? sinned will give you.sorra sorra
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just debate me....if you win .... name your gift ....
do you want ?
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Looks like you dreamt some philosopher like night.
Are you outa your mind??..haha
The modern age is characterized now by the Green Movement (which I like to also refer to as the Eco-Socialist Movement). This movement consists of the notion that humanity's actions (Industry) are harmful to the Ecosphere that we are part of and that the Ecosphere is more important than humanity's desires. One of the philosophies that belongs to this movement is the idea that eating meat is morally unjustified and that vegatarianism is a life style that human beings should follow in order to live with a clean conscience. In this debate, I will challenge this notion and, with logic and reason, show that meat-eating is moral justified.
That concludes the first part of my argument. I will be very interested in how my opponent goes about this debate.
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